His journey took a dramatic turn in 2008 with an extraordinary event, an encounter not just with luminous orbs but with his occupants.
He came in 2008 in the fall, maybe October, September, October, just knocked on my door, Ryan and Emily answered the door and he asked if I was home and of course I wasn't.
And I knew they were going to do that. That was the plan. I heard back then. Well, I've heard plans of 2025 since I met Hal Povinmire in 2008.