For those who don't know, as Eric Davis, who's a physicist, who's reported to work on some of these programs.
And these 2002 meeting notes are a recollection of the meeting between a supposed alleged meeting between Eric Davis and Thomas Wilson in 2002 in the parking lot of EG&G, which of course itself is a famous defense contractor, maybe involved with such programs.
I think he's done his own thing, but in terms of like the Elizondos, Eric Davis, Hal Putoff, there seems to be a lot of the same stories bouncing back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.