So, so I guess, um, in 1997, uh, Stephen Greer and his disclosure project, uh, met with VADM, Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson.
I think even Thomas Wilson says he met Greer there.
And the story goes that, you know, Greer and his disclosure project and these witnesses talked about UFO crash retrieval reverse engineering programs.
Roscoe has said that it's made waves. And of course, Greer has been saying since like 2018 or 2019, it's,
the gel and mold reproduction craft. The, the term has been associated with Stephen Greer throughout
and then kind of interfacing with Steven Greer and then kind of like, I don't know if it's true or not,
He's now passed a way back in the day. He forwarded a bunch of witnesses to Greer.
Remember I told you about, um, that witness in Greer's archive.
He, in, uh, in Greer's archive and their final correspondences, the guy said, I've been