And you have, you know, different sides saying things that are mutually exclusive.
And truth, it never collapses into true or false.
When did you become aware of this UFO legacy reverse engineering program?
And how did you become aware of it, and how are you so high confidence in it?
including my letter that I'm deputized by Jim Lekatsky as a representative of the Defense Intelligence Agency,
because he just seems like a very kind of honest above board guy who stumbled into a lot of this stuff.
And so I have an idea from plenty of sources that this program exists.
And what's more, in the case of atomic weapons,
physicists are not perfectly locked down.
It's a high-trust community.
And in general, people are willing to talk, you know,
even if they shouldn't, about the role of physics in atomic weapons.
I have never heard a colleague, not once, at a high level in physics,
give any credence to this world.
In other words—
Well, that's because they didn't have access.
They didn't have need to know.
They didn't have a contract where they had to have access.
Which, again, it's not a challenge in that sense.
Assume that there is a dividing line.
But it means that in the Manhattan Project, right?
We called in Feynman and Bohr and Fermi and von Neumann
and put them under Robert Oppenheimer and Teller and all these cats.
And Bethi and…
And Beta, right?
we would call that in.
Now, one of the great things that came out of our discussions before
of just asking about kind of core evidence with Dr. Davis.
to work on it for about roughly two decades.
Who is this?
electrical engineers,
disjointed groups of people,
in this.
And essentially
to ask questions
of someone with full knowledge
They wouldn't be able to
because they were
he wasn't fully aware
of the UFO
crash retrieval program,
to see that film.
You do have this fact pattern
because he was the guy
that craft were made from.
They figured out
billion dollar budgets
involved in the actual
That's right.
The last gospel
at the National
Nuclear Security Agency
and some innocuous words.
And this could be
the ASAP era,
that he talked to the staff
at the White House.
Danny Sheehan
by Bill Moore
and Rick Doty,
gets a copy,
a permanent copy
These are the
first-generation documents
trying to throw him
off the track.
what gives you
confidence that
And why,
I guess,
about seeking legal counsel.
Yeah, they're real.
That's the office
on Oak Ridge
But if you have a...
The Majorana particles.
And on the other hand,
the lack of anything tangible.
throughout areas of the DoD.
And so he was an academician
Yeah, but it's preposterous.
that with no mention
of it is stunning
predicated on
some sort of
I'm just saying,
it either does
And they're both fitted
and we always talk
about Lockheed,
but we don't talk
So I went to an APS meeting
with my dissertation supervisor,
And then right up
until 1984,
and told,
do not invest
a Google Ngram search,
there's basically
from the physics community.
And this issue
has not been productive.
Correct.
And...
I agree.
Okay.
But after 42 years
of failure,
you would imagine
we would hold
at least one, two,
or ten conferences
saying,
what do we have wrong?
Why are we not
trying to make progress?
And you don't see that.
Well, that's the mirror
to your thing
that there are no physicists
on the program.
In other words,
this is an effect
that is so dumb,
it is so pathologically stupid,
so unfathomably wasteful.
Why would you not question
your own lack of progress?
You know,
in fact,
Leonard Susskind,
one of the fathers
of modern string theory,
was on a show
of a sister podcast,
Kurt Jai-Mungle's
Theories of Everything.
Or maybe it was
with Lawrence Krasn.
And he says,
we have to go back
to the beginning.
We have to question
absolutely,
we've got this wrong.
If we don't go back
to the foundations,
I'm just thinking like,
finally,
it's breaking.
that I have is,
whether it would work
or not,
and you do it all
Yeah, that's right.
Okay.
Do you want to describe
you can convince yourself
that that guy knows nothing
while it was still
no such agency,
in New Mexico.
And it's got
a secure campus.
Like,
It may be a manifold.
I'm not saying that it isn't.
to show
or inform me
in my opinion,
sometimes too much.
of a simple number
like Lambda
had a minus sign
put in front of it.
I don't believe
in traversable
black holes.
So you're going to
or a piece of matter,
And...
At least with some
people now saying
that it's a more faithful
to Maxwell's equations
in the low energy regime.
based on A,
the boundary
people with
sort of like
an electrical
there when we
can't create enough
coupled that we can
barely detect it but
You're going to get this
kind of rapid attenuation
No, we do.
for Kimber Meyer Company, and they were
a logistic service company servicing Los
you can form a different quantity,
where you take F inner product star F,
has ever used that terminology.
there's a guaranteed object
of the Heisenberg uncertainty relations,
that's a curvature
that you embed
what we currently call space-time
in some books I've read
back in the 90s,
Well, we sort of have
three long-range carriers.
An advanced...
No, nobody does threat
denied it.
And that was because
something that we don't understand
where people actually
in GR.
I didn't know
will not involve
a theoretical physicist.
They might have...
Sorry.
What?
You have craft.
The claim is you have...
I know.
They're engineers.
Okay.
But if you...
They're not thinking
in terms of fundamental physics
or something beyond
the standard model
or something beyond
generalist,
if they're thinking...
How are they doing
on this project
decades in?
The supposed project.
How are they doing on it?
What's their level of success?
All I know is,
as of my knowledge...
If you're failing
at something
that requires new physics,
you say,
defy the laws of physics.
We can't make progress
and we have no physicists.
Correct.
That's because they don't...
David, this can't...
Eric, this can't add up.
It's a two-line proof.
It defies the laws of physics.
We haven't made progress.
We have no physicists.
Okay.
If something defies
the laws of physics,
who do you call?
I know...
You ask any of us,
any of us,
write down 15 names
of who you call
if you had a craft
that defied the laws of physics.
experimental physics,
And then the physics chair
who is the lead
here's our solution
to that problem.
for NASA.
There we go.
is a fairy tale
that should not be...
and I'm also not hopeful
because I don't think
Who said that he breached
the hull
and walked inside of a UFO.
working at the DIA.
At some point,
the legal counsel
and the chief scientist.
That was an interesting conversation.
Right?
Yeah.
trying to reproduce
something that clearly
how the thing actually
sort of functions
You know,
something like that.
believes the jackalopes
are real
because there's an industry
exists.
Well, on that note
So there's this concept
in Washington
of steady hands
to Rand Paul
in an open hearing
about what gets done
at Esalen,
There is no conference
that brings together
and I was 16
that's why I'm
the youngest.
mentions the phrase
quantum gravity
so that unearthing
of a geometric origin
or diffeomorphism
invariance.
gauge equivalence
in the case
and Mansouri,
And so both in string theory
and in what he's doing,
because what's interesting
is you have
Try to figure out
who's saying something
interesting by listening.
you were wrong.
He clearly is a much
get on,
although sometimes
Exactly.
You know,
so the issue is,
In general,
we do a bad job
in Yang-Mills theory,
you take zero difference,
a transgression,
misinterpreted
Geometric unity
gauges gravity
So I'm going to need
a little bit of help
in our statistics.
You're in the same situation I am.
Why D.E. Shaw?
when it comes to physics,
like Southern Air Transport
or Air America,
Okay,
well,
there's a cluster
It's, uh,
And then you were saying,
but we're operating
within the bounds
of the constraints
that we've set on ourselves
in this century.
No me co de senso.
It makes no sense.
It's absurd.
I'm following my contract.
It's like,
that's just nonsense.
No, no, no.
And everybody repeats this
as if,
as if they're,
I mean,
it's like,
if you gave the excuse,
well, no,
because it's Wednesday
every week
and everybody said that,
you sort of get a nerd to it,
but then you realize,
there's a Wednesday
of every week.
That had nothing to do
with anything.
You have to be highly disagreeable
to basically say,
you know,
Eric,
what you just said,
no offense,
makes no sense at all.
And what's so weird
about it is
I am cynical.
I think,
I think national security
runs the day
on all this stuff.
And so once something
makes sense
from a national security
standpoint,
it just happens.
And so if this
were this grave
national security issue
where you think
you might be able
to do anything
with any of this material,
The white badges.
and neutered
and not particularly
to be near that?
because the scientists
Who were the first people
the Israelis killed
And basically,
these people are now
founded the Santa Fe Institute,
founded,
it has this property
an imaginative proposal
by Benedict Gross
Have you ever noticed
how interesting astrology
almost instantly.
is an energy beam
that can be focused
in this particular direction,
now can I refocus
is as rich
as I say it is,
of the competent people.
It doesn't matter
you know,
dangerous physics work
is that the architects
die and they
leave a zombie.
remotely in this
perfectly precise
put a healthy
check on
people who
under FDR.
You had
It's ubiquitous.
It exists in
bizarre and worthy
of scientific inquiry,
the atomic weapons
Normandy
was cool
and Operation
But why else
should you be
few days on this
or literally like
I can't
understand why
pedophile?
Like do, do we
That's low trust.
It's blackmail.
Omerta and the innovation
of the Rico acts and all
I think it, I think it's
got a lot to Trump's, Trump's
deeply grooved people not thinking
for themselves.