people on the retire? They wouldn't have thrown that picture away. He goes, well, at some point,
the poster was no longer on the wall at the MOD. I'm not sure. I said, well, they didn't throw it away.
important. Like, you know, did I pass to him? Did I upset him? Maybe I pushed him too much. Like,
David's like, no, man, it took me two years to get a written out of him. So that's kind of his nature,
exchange like? Because I know a lot of times, a lot of these people, like as we mentioned, are scared,
are threatened. So what is your sort of go to tactic to get them to open up? Is it just time or
but I was ultimately the director and I got to override even though these guys were 10 years my
senior. I was like, no, no, no, no. And I was like, what, we know what? And, and because I just
unknowingly, you know? Some, you know, I mean, one of the things that Deputy Based Commander
Colonel Charles Hall talked about with the Ben Waters case in 1980 was that this again,
And he died in a car crash. Paul Scharnel with his wife had on car collision. They both died.
But before that happened, he gave an interview. And he talked about why he believed that was a
That's the one. That's the one. And it's just another question. Like what's the, what's the thing?
And that's it. That's got to be it. Well, in terms of the multi-angles, like, I mean,
in terms of of a case that happened on a military base, boy, that's pretty damn good.
It's pretty damn good, especially considering that, you know, the cameras were in focus enough
and had the quality enough to notice that the scene appeared on the craft. And that's a big detail
for me because when filming something like that with these old cameras, you'd expect fuzzy greenie.
But if you can tell from that footage that the scene opened, that means you can probably see the
expression on those beings' faces. Like that's a heck of a claim. Yeah. And it's a remarkable case.
But, you know, Varsignia is also because it's more recent. Yeah. In 96. And that does have something
to do with people's ability to believe in the story as well, right? That holds some importance.
Yeah. It's a preponderance of eyewitness testimony. I mean, pretty much, I mean, if you go to the town
of Varsignia, Brazil, it's about four hours north of São Paulo.
an hour and 40 minutes, hour and 45 minutes, maybe. That's a really tough decision, right? I mean,
all available to people. Put it out there for free. That was my next question. I was like, when are
we going to see the YouTube mashup of all this because as a content creator, you're sitting on a
said that they're not only threatened them. These, I heard this from at least 10, maybe 15 people
that they were saying they're not only going to be picking my bones out of the desert, but your
got a really good view. Got the best view. Got the best view of it. flew, flew right towards it
and then flew around it. And then went back to where's that radar data? Where's the visual like
my 30s and I hit 40. And I was like, my gosh, I took a couple years off UFOs. And I did a film
at eight years. And that is like arguably eight years, possibly the best documentary out there
on the subject. So it's, I mean, that's and you know, and that that was the first time I went
creative, my final product is constantly out there and people don't really understand the work
that goes behind it. And not only the work, the emotional sort of ups and downs that you have to
we went after the individual. Unfortunately, the individual had died.
cause there was, there were a couple of captures. There were, there were probably more than that,
maybe maybe five or six, but we only really have two good solid leads on maybe two or three of
down with us. I wasn't going to like jeopardize. So we didn't talk about Virginia. And then we
rolled camera for however long we interviewed our and half, whatever it was. And at the end,
running. And he looks up at Marco and he goes, it happened. Close the door and off he went. I was like,
fuck, Marco and I both were like, and I tell you like that kept us going. That was like that
can look them up. But he really put a laser like focus on UFOs from 2017 to 2024. And he, I'll get
to the relevance in this a minute. He had the distinct opportunity to sit down with so-called
Like I mean, for reasons of like vacations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everybody like particularly the Intel folks had to approve everything. Wow. And some even had to get a timer of the acronym DOPSER.
Oh, hair is pretty good. Yeah, the airport.
2006. I think that was. Yeah, that's pretty compelling. We don't have a photograph. A photograph was taken. Yeah, apparently.
And there's a letter from Steven Spielberg talking about the movie, talking about he goes despite the fact that I've made so much attention to the phenomenon or, you know, UFOs, the subject matter, I unfortunately have never seen a UFO. And that is so unfair. I hope that you will continue reporting.
So I had a quote from Steven Spielberg about my movie in writing. And his handwriting, the original letter. Yeah, I have the original letter. Yeah, it's so cool.
It was typed and signed. And so, so I contact his publicist. Can't believe I can't remember his name right now. I'm sorry. And I said, I could look it up. And I said, hey, I've got, I said, when you use a, oh, we don't endorse movies. I said, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I said, he already gave me the quote. I have the quote.
I said, yeah, he goes, well, how did you, what do you mean you have the quote? I said, well, Larry King sent me the letter. Larry King gave you the letter. I was like, yeah, and I'd like to use it to, could you imagine having a quote from Steven Spielberg back in the day on a UFO.
That's insane. Like literally, like, I remember this guy that I was working with goes, dude, that's the difference between here and the stars. Like that'll just catapult you into the. So, so my dad goes, well, you have the quote.
You know, with a weight of his endorsement would have been a type of changing typed and signed like that takes effort. That's not an email. It's not a text. It's not a DM. Yep. You know, so that goes a long way as, you know, as an aspiring filmmaker. I'm sure that
Oh, I have a lot more. Yeah. I have it framed up. I will. Yeah.
I just, I can't jeopardize those contacts and we're working together right now.
And a lot of people think like, oh, well, now you're working with some people on the inside.
the guy that was ahead of blue book at the time wrote a book about it.
we have all these reality, right?
Like, or, you know, is it a little scary that we don't have control over aerospace?
And yeah, that doesn't generally end well.
And there's a whole bunch of really interesting, just fringe cases that you would never
otherwise hear about, right? And I find that to be one of the most fascinating things.
Yeah, but yeah, they get close.
52, but they are showing up at schools.
We are in a secure environment.
That's right.
Great answer.
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