And I heard about these since I probably the first time when I was investigating the Phoenix
the Phoenix Lights case. And then I heard a number of other cases in the United States that I heard
bandwaters, let's look into that, to the, you know, March 13th, you know, Phoenix lights.
But I think eventually transitioned into and I know what I saw. And I was in Phoenix. And it was late 2008 late 2008. I was in Phoenix and I was doing pickup interviews of that massive flyover new new witnesses were coming forward.