And so I don't know if you have a take there, but you have like Lou Elizondo, you know, long time, you know, OSAP, A-Tip, you know, modern day UFO whistleblower, who is for a while at least was more on kind of the threat narrative.
Because it does feel like a lot of people who get into the UFO subject and study it from the government perspective, like OSAP with, you know, Skinwalker Ranch.