And Gary Nolan talked about that today at the hackathon, about how hard data is, even his data that he has.
Jake Barber. So I was very cautious for a long time of who I would meet with or talk with. I actually met with Gary one time in a way that frankly made him very uncomfortable.
With Gary and then I also ran into some congressional staff members, did the same thing of like, I don't want to be on your calendar, but I want to like your, your congressperson saying publicly that they want this.
So first I met Gary and then I met Alex. And then after we, we met Jake and I met when we started forming the company Skywatcher as a, as a private entity.