I appreciate you having me.
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He was a medical doctor.
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I came up with a theory of the nervous system that I called the Puharich theory.
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But he was this very far out researcher into basically ESP stuff back then.
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He was very interested in like, you know, altering drugs, psychedelic drugs, mind altering stuff.
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I was able to get a barn. I started working in the dead of winter in 48th and in Maine.
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We're not personalities as you think of personalities.
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We're more like laws or principles of the universe.
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The part of Buharic's story where I think things sort of change in his life is when, you know, this instance happens when they first channel the nine, which was in 52.
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And, you know, they're like, what's going on here?
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Someone grabs a tape recorder, which we have the tapes of.
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To make a long story short, there's a seance that's held in, uh, late 52, early 53. I think it was the New Year's Eve of 52 to 53. And there are nine people involved in the seance. Now, these are not just some casual nine people you pick up, like, you know, your neighbors or something, right? This was a DuPont and an Astor and a Forbes. I mean, everybody that represents the, the blue blooded Brahmins of American society, old money people, were at a seance, a free
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Is that Arthur Young? Arthur Young. So Arthur Young is there with his wife. His wife is Ruth Forbes Payne Young. Right. She had a lot of names. She was excessively nomenclatured. And so you have, you know, Ruth Forbes Payne Young. She's a Forbes.
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Mm-hmm. She was married to a George, uh, Payne, Lyman Payne, and also married to Arthur Young.
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This could be as simple as, you know, how horrible that the president was shot or it could have
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been something else.
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that it was a psyop or that it was this early psychological warfare experiment where can we get,
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you know, certain groups of people to believe in something and to what extent?
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It was probably there's probably stuff going on before 52.
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No one, no one ever hears about it.
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But I think he's mostly known as somebody who, uh, did experiments with implanting, putting an implant in the head of a bull and basically being able to remote control a bull and basically say, go this stop, go left, go right.
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And he was able to do it.
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There's literally footage of, of the experiment happening.
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Uh, and Pujaric, we later found out was, was close friends as Pujaric says himself with Delgado.
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We found letters between the two of them, uh, during this time.
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And it was nothing too sinister as mostly like, Hey, I'm going to go to this conference.
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Are you going to be there?
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But they clearly were close.
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I mean, there's some people I met during the process of this who were like, don't, don't even go there and don't talk about the connection you had with Delgado.
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But, you know, I, I was interested to know.
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You have a guy who's being able to pacify a bull and play the bull like a video game.
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And that clearly was the heir to MK ultra, which was mostly sodium pentothal LSD, that sort of thing is chemical based.
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And nothing, absolutely nothing.
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It has a lot to do with sine waves.
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I've heard about this.
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he wrote that and then in this tape um he he kind of jokingly says oh i'm a i'm a i'm a double agent
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uh for for the israelis and and he also was always there you know that's the other thing like yes he
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but uh it's strange and i i don't know i mean again that's something like after all this time
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i'm still thinking okay what what was really going on there you know fascinating man what what do you
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and and he crashes through the the screen porch there's footage super eight movie footage of of
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buhar filming the screen porch after this allegedly happened it's all smashed through right and geller of
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it does again the mk ultra thing just explain everything which is like such a dark version of the
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truth but it's possible we have to entertain that yeah or is mk ultra actually converging on a technique
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night or that day said later tonight you know i just got a message that like a ufo is going to show
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itself over the house and so we have the video buharic's son andy who's an awesome guy he he did this kind of
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know the original channeling of the nine it was 52. do you know what month uh it was it was um
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but a lot of that early channeling with the nod that was all you know 52 interesting yeah into 53 i mean
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there i mean the whole gene roddenberry thing is crazy yeah so the creator of star trek yeah so so
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that's like something i read about and you know i thought oh that's interesting but in puhart's archive
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you know instrumental in hooking up uh puhart with geller i don't know the truth to that but um
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um well they definitely knew each other because there's photographs of geller puhart and bentoff
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in an apartment in tel aviv together but you know bentoff is interesting because he worked for israeli
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intelligence i mean that's that's a fact and they and puhart was again like i said going to israel a
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lot at that time and he was always tape recording their conversations like him and bentoff would sit
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around like you and i are right now and they would record all their conversations which you know is
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not weird necessarily but also you know why would you do that and then save the cassette tapes decades
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later so you know there's a lot of clues like that that goes back to that israeli connection and and
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bentoff was one of a number of um scientists who were being tracked at you know puhart's house burned
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kind of skeptical or distrust you know people who are like they're so sure it's just x or it's just y
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you know and in this case it's clearly this kind of murky subject but that i mean that makes it that
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he's very clear like you know at that period like i was i was uh concerned about what was going on he
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mentions being pretty sure that uh buharic had slipped him the mushrooms so you know
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this directed thought to to change somebody's uh uh opinion or change somebody's uh direction or
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know but i would assume like you can't do it a hundred percent of the time maybe you can do it
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sixty percent of the time yeah but i think that about him because i've heard enough stories
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and the uk and in and in china which are just the the stories that we were able to kind of look into
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but these kids would see um geller on tv and all of a sudden like that would uh cause them to just
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their ability to sort of manipulate thoughts and that was through the nine or whatever and they had some
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some you know i mean clearly they did have some abilities to do that the the the evidence would point to the
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that in and of itself seems a little messed up as does yeah you know slipping somebody mushrooms or
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that you know we had so so interesting were there any other experiments they were obviously
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channeling they were using these sort of faraday chambers they had this machine that produced tones
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russian guerrilla soldiers are using so we then know what to pick up on when we hear this code name
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so then that begs the question why would an alien why would an alien be like asking those types of
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well so there's a couple of things he he was sick at the time um but not i believe not enough that
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would have caused this to happen but basically it was 95 and around this time he was very vocal about
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we live in a matrix and then he left the matrix or something like but what's interesting about him
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is like again it's it's it's literally still like an open case like they've never figured it out yeah
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the main use cases of mk ultra it would be like keeping secret science sort of on lock maybe creating
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some sort of cult dynamics around it wiping people's memories when they work on really sensitive
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townsend brown engaging in a ufo crash retrieval and um i think it's in the late 50s and it's like i think
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hartford connecticut and this like green glowing object that seems like it's losing mass gets collected by
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great guy and again he was somebody who would never have wanted to appear in a documentary you know like
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she was like this big uh blue ball i guess this like ball of energy as he describes it appeared
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next thing he knew he came to she was all the way across the room against the wall and he was back up
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against the wall and he doesn't remember what happened and the last thing he remembers is that she
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touched his forehead some sort of burst of blue light she flew across the room and he told me that and
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you know and he said look you know you can talk to the assistant like she'll she'll corroborate this and
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and i did and she did and she did and his his theory was just like we some connection you know must have been
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been occurring and and and what what what do you do with that because something i learned which was
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very bizarre because this was another thing that buharic didn't kind of open up uh about until way
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so was this instance with jaime and the finger something to do with that what was it not i don't
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know but that's one of his stories that was really bizarre any ufo related stories um yeah there was a lot
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creating some weird protocol and then like what happens to them happens to them and we have no
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idea where that content is coming from um i don't know yeah yeah it's strange because
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complex stuff but would lead me as a lay person to think like okay clearly they like they're talking
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about something serious here you know that's so fascinating so so and then the atomic energy
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because again what what they didn't understand what i think a lot of people didn't understand who were
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involved in this project is like information i was getting information like as recent as like six months
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to accept that the negative path may maybe you know the reality and i don't i mean i would probably do
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that i mean i you know so i think um some of them want to just try to say hey look we were told we
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was doing some sort of work for the nro and um experimenting with satellites and messages from
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satellites to people and i'm telling you man yeah i mean i've tried to i mean the other film i'm doing
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heard a lot about him being like a dog like a person who helps like abductee people who claim
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they're abducted and stuff so apparently he was doing that even back then with valerie and he was
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audience kit green um deeply involved he's a cia psychiatrist and doctor i knew that but after all
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that stuff i don't really know like what his he's he's deeply involved in like i think the whatever cia
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point is everyone i know who knew valerie i said oh this is great a video exists of her now sent it to
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them hey look here's valerie like can you believe this every no that's not her nope that's definitely not
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and you know do you do you accept this position and and then she she the guy parks and she gets out or
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should have honestly like yeah probably but i mean you're you've got your gift that keeps on giving
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that's crazy oh oh um the one thing i was going to mention is um this is again an example of something
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wanted to talk to me because it was so similar to the stuff the space kids did that he read about but i
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don't know what's i don't know what to believe yeah you know with that so it's just i don't know i'm in
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