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opposed to last year and it's important because uh speaking for myself i've i've gone to a lot of
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different places as to like what i think is actually happening when we talk about ufos or now uap
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i always love talking are we rolling steve yeah i'm wondering steve are we good we are rolling oh
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beautiful so i always love uh the opportunity when the opportunity arises to talk to somebody
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like yourself because i've only talked to maybe three i roughly three maybe four people on this
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show that have been studying this topic for over 25 30 years like yourself yeah most people have been
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in this stuff just you know for a few years recently since like the emergence of youtube um but i think it
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was like the first one was james fox then uh jason georgiani steven greer these types of folks
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and uh you i've noticed that you've been in a lot of some of like the biggest documentaries on this
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topic so um it's always just so interesting to hear people's takes on this stuff when they've been
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studying studying for so long um but for people that don't know who you are can you just give like a
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classified elements to this but there is also an element that is beyond government yeah and it's
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kind of nebulous like who are these guys is it all is it all think tanks and corporations or is it
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the reserves kudos for that but the the basic question is what so paul for people who don't
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know this paul benowitz was a uh kind of a small u.s defense contractor in the 1970s he uh lived right
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of uh ufo information to serve their needs or what i believe is we're looking at a factional struggle
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they're like be my guest we're not afraid we're not afraid of you and he did go back to dc he did
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complain and he was threatened with his career he's threatened he'd lose a star or two along the way and
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to wilson we want to talk to him so wilson retires in 02 and clearly eric davis who was part of the
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of people talk about that on this on this show before and it's uh yeah the way he described it with
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rogan was uh it was very very cohesive like it made a lot of sense the way he did it yeah it's
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i have to have other things going on in my life so i i can sympathize with that but as far as like
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what's going on the reason uh that i i still i very much believe that the significant portion of
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uh perspectives coming in on this uh the real man who researched this is an italian researcher named
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roberto pinotti who looked at a lot of the original documents that do exist in italian from 1933.
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uh there's a couple of different ways to look at this so you know hal putoff wrote a very interesting
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paper a number of years ago on uh ultra terrestrials this yeah concept and it's a it's very interesting
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that out let you let us know steve that's your homework assignment but but we have we also have
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water and land so we but we're not completely covered in water either so we have enough water for life to
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well domesticated humans as opposed to wild humans right before we started settling in
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large communities and societies roughly 10 000 years ago so we're we're going on a path so what we're
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going to look like uh the you know the problem with our future is that every every new technological
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leap you make whether it's mastering the use of fire or stone tools or now working at it you know
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getting to agi and whatever else we're going to get to means that you become dependent on that for your
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species survival like honestly like once we've had fire for like a couple hundred thousand years right
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it would be very difficult to probably for those people to survive without it yes because you become
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dependent on it and then not only that but the fact that you have fire means you have to develop all
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these other technologies because we have to maintain the fire we have to protect the fire we have to
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find and process the right kinds of wood like all of that that that prompts further intellectual
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realize there were a couple of books that had been done on this it was a book back in 1970 by an american
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researcher named ivan sanderson a very good book uh there was another very good book by uh the recently
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to have happened in the late 60s how do you go about mining all this information do you just look for
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and just scrub the internet for cases involving usos or do you interview specific people ask them a little
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are people seeing these uf usos for the most part is there is there is there one spot in the world
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i think he's on our list steve he's coming on the podcast is he really yeah he's good good good shout
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yeah and and if you if you are interested in these human creatures well you know that they live on the
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i envision like a a straight perpendicular rod of some sort but above the water uh moving along with his ship
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it's not the best case but it's not the worst like it's it was i decided to include it because
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the communications were just down and he also uh stated that he believed that the weapons like aircraft
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like um i think what do they have f4s they were not operational so the aircraft would not fly or
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and apparently these things would like circle around them that's not easy to do circle around a nuclear
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submarine right uh but that would happen and uh there would be multiple ones of them uh they'd be
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to go down this dead end path basically of research so like there are now that's something we know about
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and does he answer to someone else does he answer to them there's all kinds of possibilities who does he
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answer to right exactly and you know this is i don't know i don't have that answer this is
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kind of democratic system or else they'd be very unhappy because we want to think that we have a say
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in our system but the reality has always been uh there's always been elites there's always been the guys on
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top and throughout all of the 19th and 20th and now 21st century their goal has always been to figure
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out how do we let the people keep believing these little fairy tales while we keep running things the
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way we've always done and that's really what the system is and so now it's a system that is inherently
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dishonest it has to rule by lies because and and that that distorts all of our politics too because
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everything's now out in the open you can't really um yeah everything's got to be kind of tossed out
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there for the people and it's all a series of manipulations one after the net it's just we get
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propagandized 24 7. yeah basically what it is sure yeah and it's built on lies and that's why they can't
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disclose certain things because they feel like that will unravel a whole another layer of lies that will
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that's right that will make people accountable for things and people will go to prison i'm sure i'm
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sure there will be a lot of really terrible consequences for divulging some of the secret
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like there are factions that will never give this up they will never look think of it like but what
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they will never give it up they'll never willingly give up this to protect us or protect to protect
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at the twin towers yeah he shared his job with a really nice man who i knew who was killed that day
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name was billy and um yeah really affected my dad it was a real real tough thing so 9 11 was a very
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uh on false flags a history of false flag operations in our world i i got i got really into it and uh
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in fact i did a i wrote a little tv series for gaia television um number of years ago on the history
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or any other there's a lot of false flags america is the king of false flags especially after world war
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it whether or not people are credible credible are they are they strategically putting out disinformation
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or some some sort of a mixed bag that's a very fair question and i don't i don't know if i can
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hard to avoid talking about specific people in this community yeah and you get like and it's hard not
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to go chasing after the latest headline yeah yeah which is a problem because ideally what you want to do
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if i had the proper perspective on lazar and i actually i've always i mean i really appreciate
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and respect stan always will but i did not appreciate that i felt that he was trying to pressure me
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uh you know we we don't really do a good job at managing ourselves it's impossible yeah and there's
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heard herrera talk so jake barber says that he went there as like a guy to uh catch whistleblowers to
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prosecute them right and then he heard herrera talk and he's like oh my god he said yeah you basically
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you're dealing with i mean by its very nature the ufo let me just keep saying ufo because i'm so used
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to it we say uap whatever yeah ufos represent i mean we we talk about it in our society often enough
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is track the cases and then the other is to try to understand the technological military political
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and uh i don't know what to say about this i mean i've i've uh spoken with chris bledsoe myself a few
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times a number of times and um is that believable yeah that's totally believable yeah yeah i could
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yeah i i tend to um i i don't think he's making any of this stuff up i feel like uh my my gut told
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uh you know i've kind of referred alluded to this a few times in this conversation with you but
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secrets the fact that everyone on social media thinks everyone is working for an intelligence agency is a
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benefit to them absolutely it's it's a big it's a really big problem let's let's talk about this for
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are they on the good side or the bad side that's that's not good because there's information coming
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that the world is you know i had a i grew up with a very liberal mother and a pretty conservative father
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and so that was kind of good because i was able to appreciate two very radically different world views
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that each of my parents had and to understand where they were coming from and to respect where they
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were coming from which i do to this day and that's that was good for me and uh i think that when
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uh you know as as we're in the world today i i just i take it as a given that there's always going to
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be people people out there who don't see the world the way i do and what am i supposed to like condemn them
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uh and just say well you're you're morally suspect because you have a different perspective on the
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world than i do that's kind of ridiculous but yeah we do it we do it all the time people on the right
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and the left they all do it and it's uh it's very unfortunate we get all apocalyptic about things yeah
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and we live in very dangerous times in many ways i'm not going to deny that very dangerous on many
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