25 — Dates | UAP Files

And so you never know who you're going to get, which is why, like I said, we have to be circular in our true objectives when we speak with these officials because they are not prepared to speak with us in truth.

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And then there's another class that's actually hit us with a microwave weapon.

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So actually shut down our systems.

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And so I do think gathering data is good.

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But it does bring up this interesting question, which is from my limited experience with you, you seem like very practical and very data oriented.

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And like just kind of the preeminent kind of practitioner, like where you want to find an answer.

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You don't want to get caught up in necessarily like crazy kind of philosophical discussions.

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I've spoken with Jake a little bit before you, and it does feel like this kind of spiritual journey for him.

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I've spoken with Alex Clocus, who I know, you know, is working with you guys as well.

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It seems like kind of a spiritual thing for him.

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How do you reconcile that?

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You know, is it good to have kind of a mix as far as, you know, the team you want?

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You know, some guys who are a little more philosophical, some guys who are kind of more execution oriented.

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Or how do you view that?

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Because it does feel like a lot of people who get into the UFO subject and study it from the government perspective, like OSAP with, you know, Skinwalker Ranch.

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They come in like maybe like, oh, we're just going to figure some stuff out.

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And so at great cost to our own business and expense, if you will, in time and energy and effort, we have documented these things so that when the data is released scientifically, they have a backstory to understand how the data was collected.

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Because again, the scientific report, a white paper, a scientific journal saying a thing is just a snapshot.

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Because who's this guy meeting me?

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Yeah.

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Like he was a little freaked out because I was very secretive and very spy versus spy type of meetings.

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Okay. Class two, what are we looking at?

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Um, we saw that first in 22 and then in 23, and then we didn't see them again until 25, till February this year.

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So, we were watching jellyfish fly through the sky and started having interference with our systems, we believe, from the jellyfish.

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And then we had some weird radar blips to the north of us.

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But, but I'll say in our footage of the TIC-TACs, they are not a round cylinder only.

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Whether you're journaling, meditating, or simply enjoying some downtime,

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But now the news and the public zeitgeist starts changing,

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And no one has told me this.

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I've arrived at this position through years of discussions.

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And like I said, there's different categories.

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I think there's blue.

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science, if you will, where you're working to understand the technology behind what we're

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seeing.

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And really, I actually said that wrong.

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Where is it?

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So the human eye, I think it's 400 and 700 nanometers is the range.

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And they might catch a snippet for like two seconds of a UAP.

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But that's really all they're able to see.

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Yeah.

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We don't know why it vibrates and how it's vibrating, but for sure it is vibrating because

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Is it, like I said, a plasmoid with lasers?

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Or is there actually a physical craft there moving across the sky?

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Well, we ran an event in January with the equipment with no dog whistle.

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Mm-hmm.

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And part of our frustration with the government was we were underfunded when we were funded

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And watching the class sevens with video and with radar, we know it's airspeed and maybe

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it's 30 or 40 knots.

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And they're assuming some kind of malintent on our side of, hey, these guys must be liars.

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These guys are some kind of secret government program.

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wind, pushing it back.

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If you take that same helicopter and release the payload from it, but keep the long line

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Indicating that it is flying into the wind or it's flying faster than the wind.

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It's not floating with the wind.

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So on the fifth day, I went to bed thinking what, what's more aggressive?

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Is it going to come down and land?

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And so, those activities are activities that we want to do.

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And if those are done, the government can go do that.

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We have no interest in harming or destroying any of this material or craft or beings.

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Like, that's not our interest at all.

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It's quite the opposite, actually.

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And our desire is that one lands.

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And that is, with the psionic team, what we're trying to do is get one to land peacefully, right?

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You know, we don't need to harm or kill or maim or destroy.

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We want to observe, collect, and understand.

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So, that was the first time that we had UAPs react to our action or intentions, we believe.

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The second time was with the Tic Tac in February.

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I saw a manta ray, was watching the manta ray, and then it disappeared again.

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The manta ray and the Tic Tac were hiding from our primary sensor.

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They approached from the one avenue of our approach we couldn't see for miles and miles.

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And they hid behind terrain, and they used the terrain to mask their presence from our sensors.

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They were being taken out anyway by, we believe, the jellyfish.

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So, I sat there for probably 20 minutes and watched a manta ray in the sky.

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We're watching them.

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So, it sat there for over 25, 30 minutes while we observed the manta ray and the Tic Tac,

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And then it just so happens that as I turn to radio, run down the helicopter, and on the radio,

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To kind of understand, hey, if, if they know nothing and we don't really know what they're doing, which is also the case, then we can't really, we can't, to our knowledge, make an effect and we can't pollute the other's minds with what's going to happen.

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Smart way to do it.

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And we were only able to do them for a limited amount of time with the government.

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So, I can't describe those activities.

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And then after the class ones were done, they flew out together.

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Um, so we, we have more observations recently in 2025.

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They don't have anything on board to show their presence.