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But Bob is an anomaly.
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We learn new details about where the craft he worked on was actually retrieved.
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I also had the honor of showing Bob legendary, never-before-seen footage of a UFO at Area 51.
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Regliction sequence 5.
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it's supposed to, without any spikes or crashes.
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It was originally developed through a multi-million dollar Department of Defense contract for elite
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I guess he was like a little scientist.
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Maybe, but that's how fast the car went.
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But the Honda Civic is not set up for the jet engine that you put on it.
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Yeah, I mean, but it's also, you also can't talk about it because it's still, I mean, look, the government's never going to come and prosecute me.
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You know, but still classified material.
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Did you, you took him to Los Alamos?
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Now, I never met Dr. Teller again, but in 1988, when I decided to reenter the scientific community, I sent him a resume and inquired about a job.
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They interviewed me for that.
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And somewhere in the middle of it, they said, you know, we actually have a different job that we're thinking of plugging you into now.
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And, uh, I still thought I was at the, you know, I didn't know it.
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Just, yeah, just do it.
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Everybody would be in, you know, I mean, you always want labs and everything white in case you see a little speck of dust or a part falls somewhere.
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You can identify them.
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You wouldn't have, you know, wooden lamp or lab benches and things like that.
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You'd probably have people in full respirator suits if they're just beginning.
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But these guys had reached a point where it was nonchalant, where they were, they were touching, you know, working with this stuff.
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And, um, you know, it really wasn't a thing is if they were taking apart a car engine.
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So, um, they had made a lot of progress and they weren't afraid of what they were working with.
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Although we were plenty afraid of the, uh, reactor.
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And, and you, at no point were you like, this could be some like, you know, anti-gravity secret program that, you know, I just wasn't cleared to.
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I mean, initially when I first saw it, I went, oh, that's what this whole thing's about.
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You know, it's, it's, it's just, it's just our new fighter and it looks like a flying saucer.
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So that's why people believe in flying saucers.
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Um, when they take the camera and they put it in the hanger and look at it close up, it looks like it should.
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Did anybody else say that going into the craft gave them an ominous feeling?
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So he was monitoring.
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So I thought it flew away.
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Like I said, you know, clearly they've, they've had a lot of time.
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No, each one was different.
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But the material all looked exactly the same.
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You know, come back.
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And, you know, so I think that's, you know, that's just a personal belief.
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You can see other worlds.
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This can go travel in another fashion and get there.
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I mean, it depends on how it was being...
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Because you can maneuver it in a couple different ways.
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And I see this particular orange disc sometimes in UFO videos and documentaries.
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you know the same power system or propulsion system in them um anyway i don't want to go off on a tangent
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he was showing me the field on it and he said check this out and took a golf ball and you know
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intending to hit the reactor and instead it bounced off the field and then hit a ceiling tile which
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once the hemisphere is put back on um if the emitter is in the right position the reactor will turn on
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immediately and it'll produce a gravitational field around it and you can push on it and you you can't
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i've dug up showing that brown made real breakthroughs in the world of anti-gravity
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interesting moment in history because we have a man who reverse engineered ufos and then we have a nasa
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lead electrostatic scientist so i thought i'd just leave it to you guys to kind of nerd out yeah well
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hard vacuum and you're getting measurable thrust oh we have we've been doing that since 2020 so the
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last six years we test almost every day probably every other day uh different configurations or zero in on
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a configuration test another concept uh and that is an ongoing iterative process so yes we have tested
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high vacuum 10 to minus six or better champion get up to 10 to minus seven but enough to prove to us that
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there's no ion wind what kind of thrust in newtons or grams are you getting well we're we're still
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playing around in the hundreds of micro newtons or millinuton ranges so i think the highest we've gotten is
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probably up to the 50 millinuton mark um but that's when we stack these together we don't learn a lot from
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them when we do that other than we can make more thrust which is important um but we like to
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understand the thrust density if you will of each thruster so we're trying to optimize each type um
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optimize each parameter space that we have access to before we can get to larger chambers or outer space
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to test the mega structures physically how big are these thrusters oh they're not very big um they're
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then that's damn this is really cool we're converting bob on townsend brown yeah
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also you mentioned dc voltage in the craft and that was yeah that's also a townsend brown that is high dc
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yeah it's not just high dc voltage i even mentioned it on uh you know joe rogan that i i think the material
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were lab notes and these this was the direction they were going in at one time
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interesting uh theory of gravity which involved i guess two gravitational fields and like some of
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these like sub components of gravity i wrote this down because it's honestly beyond my pay grade
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well not at that time okay okay later but that's interesting that they were we'll file that away
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but it's interesting that um they were following you as if you had done something wrong when you
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out you know how you play with friends if you were going to rages i want to make sure yeah you know
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your wife isn't running around and they don't want any stress or any anything to but then at that point
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yeah at eg and g when i sat down that's that yeah it's the first thing they mentioned and what did
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you say i said he's a crazy friend yeah and uh i don't remember what else but i just you know told him
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called messengers of deception and he writes about you and he says um you know bob lazar seems to be
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very legit but uh he also talks about this pine saw drink he drinks you know this this drink he drinks
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thinks that they wanted you to come out and that they wanted uh some frameworks because to your point
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it's maladaptive to have this completely shut out from like like to have a stem student who's talented
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if you're talking about statements john lear made it's tough it's really tough to find out what's
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what's accurate and what's not decoding the voynich manuscript or something yeah yeah but um yeah no he's
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what was what were your feelings towards him kind of personally were you resentful or were you yeah how'd
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look at yeah they weren't they weren't taking the legal angle at all no no which is really if you want to
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enforce something like that's that's the way you yeah do it uh which is pretty wild i mean you see
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these i think there you read his emails and it's like there's somebody behind him who knew exactly what
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to look for and but he didn't know he was like a low level version of it and so he'll say things
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you know they would say like it was it's going to take us the time that it took to build the atom
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bomb to basically beat gravity and they were stanley desser and richard arnowit who were famous
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about that there's another force and it's not gravity and what is the if you were to characterize
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that force as distinct from gravity so gravity clearly you'd have all these other byproduct effects
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about the roswell craft getting hit by lightning and crashing or something i think it's the only
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are there any of these stories like like do you think that roswell happened are there any of these
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being eaten by some uh animals no way yeah the body's being eaten one of them one of them from
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what i remember reading and at the time there's one of them was obviously dead and it was decaying
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like there was an it was clearly some animals that got to it whoa so but i hadn't heard that but the
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only i would the only thing i remember about that was jesse marcel was the yes military yeah right and um
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um he said when you know they came to take pictures or the pictures they took he said
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that wasn't the stuff that we found whoa what general ram rammy yeah yeah he said yeah they
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replaced it with he said that's not what we found well that's the guy and there's that iconic photo
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and it's him with this like tinfoil-y weather balloon thing yeah yeah he claims that the material was
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right off to the side of the frame it's so he said yeah that's that's not the stuff and his son who's a
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air force flight surgeon said that he took the material home and he played with the material yeah
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on the crazy on the kitchen table with his wife yeah and here's what's where stuff gets even crazier
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and so you have this contract from 49 nobody knew what nitinol was night and all was and then in the
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autopsy right yeah if in fact that was true do you think it was part of the the briefing what did what did the
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photos look like i guess if you want to call it a gray something small it had a t cut in the chest and
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quadulant island or something but they said the expenses would have been so great it's just impossible
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anywhere interesting and they were they were looking for just let's just do something out of left field
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and see what we come up with so um no i don't know again that's what made me think this isn't gravity at
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attracted the way iron pushes towards a magnet it pushes away this property is called diamagnetism and
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bismuth has more of it than any other stable element on earth not slightly more dramatically anomalously
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introduce it into certain crystalline materials it induces what physicists call topologically
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protected quantum states these are electron states so geometrically locked into the structure of the
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into a single coherent state all pointing in the same direction all pushing together this was the life's
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work of dr ning lee a physicist who dared to dabble in anti-gravity more specifically she worked
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veronica who's been it's hard for me to see it that way because you can't imagine everything that
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