IBM

If we had been at IBM or AT&T or in any, you know, in a open company, because there were barriers and I didn't know about these cases.

And they say the same thing that Eric Davis said, these scientists in these programs weren't IBM types.

So it was Henry Ford. So it was Watson of IBM. So these were all hard cords. So it was Prescott

specialist for IBM. And they were friends of mine. We're sitting in our living room in New