It's a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick, who, you know, has long ties with the DOE, worked at Oak Ridge, you know, got this award from Brookhaven when he was, you know, a teenager and, you know, has, has all sorts of, you know, monetary incentives to say this stuff is fake.
And when he was 17 years old, he was given a grant by the Department of Energy because of, you know, impressing them at Brookhaven Lab, or I think he went to Brookhaven Labs as a result of this grant or something.