MKUltra

Well, it's fascinating because that time in history was when children started to be tested in programs that were kind of adjacent to MKUltra, but also...

I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he was an early kind of architect of MKUltra.

So, you know, I think the kind of easy, lazy skeptic thing would be to say that, oh, it's a, it's a smokescreen for some MKUltra thing.

He's this architect of MKUltra and early CIA mind control techniques.

But you think about like when did MKUltra start?

And the idea that they were that sophisticated at the very start of MKUltra where they could convince these sort of elite members of society that they were in touch with these specific extraterrestrial beings.

And I think people don't realize a lot of that MKUltra stuff happened much earlier, but they were doing this work in 62, 63 of like send, basically sending messages to, to people's heads, you know, and, and we have footage.

Some of them being chip implantations done basically for MKUltra purposes.

of MKUltra,

So I thought that maybe one theory is that he could have been part of a, maybe some kind of MKUltra,

Did you get into the MKUltra stuff at all with Jolly West?

I did find a document on the archives website that actually ties the initial phases of the MKUltra program to Operation Paperclip.

It's all about the Manson family and MKUltra.