UCLA

architect of MK ultra, you know, and, and Jolly West was, you know, UCLA psychiatry, but clearly very involved in operation midnight climax and maybe brainwashed Charles Manson.

He's been fired from his job at UCLA.

He got his undergrad at MIT, PhD from UCLA, both in physics and is kind of specializes in general relativity as well as quantum field theory.

You were at, you were at UCLA in the eighties.

You know, who was head of the, uh, UCLA psychiatry department at that time.

Um, I did, used to work at the UCLA neuropsychiatric Institute as a researcher for about five years.

And he didn't have a UCLA connection or anything like that.

She said, John, I'm telling you, two of his students from UCLA came up to him when we were

In 1993, former Lockheed Skunk Works director Ben Rich was speaking at a UCLA alumni event. Rich had overseen programs like the U-2, the SR-71, and the F-117.

But towards the end of his life, he would privately say things that sounded very similar to this UCLA speech.

at that time. And so we made several trips down to UCLA, to an office near there. And I began going

retirement in 1993 at UCLA where it was his alma mater he he said on stage we have the technology to