John Ramirez

John Ramirez, Jason Sands and I were from the CIA.

So John Ramirez, Jason Sands were sitting in a hall just chit-chatting.

John Ramirez was to my right.

I know what John Ramirez saw.

Happened to John Ramirez.

Happened to John Ramirez.

Neuro. And that, um, John Ramirez, when he was on the pod, he said that that was like the deepest

MITRE Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's crazy. I had, um, you know, we hear about that. We hear about these guys and these run ins, especially after sightings and stuff. And even John Ramirez, who was here said that in the early 50s, a lot of those guys were just CIA because they were just conducting, they were doing actual tests out there with like advanced craft.

And then I had John Ramirez sit here and he said, you know, sometimes it's a flash ID.

John Ramirez.

never spoke with John Ramirez in my life.

I never spoke with John Ramirez ever.

So and John Ramirez had had a wonderful slide show and he I think he showed it on one of these blogs a year ago or so but it's a wonderful slide show where he sort of shows how how you know how this happens that it's like the rents and somebody sees something and it looks legitimate they see some craft in this guy so what happens well usually what happens is if whoever sees it whatever government agency sees it they take it they make sure they're not going to see it.

is John Ramirez likes to point out, you know, was a CIA program. And we had our own

you know, former, I guess colleague or, you know, XCIFs or John Ramirez, you know, I guess you can