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So when Jocke's LA have said that to you, wouldn't he? Yeah, because in the 80s, he got taken in by
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that organization. He thinks Jocke LA is, is co-opted by the government. He absolutely did get
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a CIA psychological warfare operation. I don't get that vibe from Jocke LA though. I think he's a
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Yeah. Jocke LA and I were there for this retreat. Eventually Clayborn Pell, Senator Pell.
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