to finally meet you thank you you too man we're in the age of disclosure huh we are we are it's uh
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that's the the age of disclosure the age where all this stuff comes out and uh the truth comes out in
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in in steps yeah how did this whole documentary start out for you so it's a kind of long origin
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fire in the sky yeah you know we're making we're getting a lot of attention and i remember uh my
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cousins and i watching watching fire in the sky uh uh late at night scared the crap out of us but
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also made us super curious about this topic and so my my whole life uh just been interested in the
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topic um these big questions like are we alone in the universe does the u.s government know more about
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government do in fact know more than the public the idea would be to find that out right and no one
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watching steven spielberg direct and in my opinion is the greatest filmmaker that's ever lived and
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watching him direct was just unbelievably inspiring and i started i started thinking then in the back
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after ready player one came out and uh in doing research i was trying to i was trying to learn how how
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um in that that had worked on this topic for the u.s government and um started having just private
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realized uh how real the situation actually is and and these ideas that were put in our heads when we
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there has in fact been a massive cover-up of non-human intelligent life and the government does take
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it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um
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would think about it they would come back and say you know what i i think i'd be interested in
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is in that same moment um senior leadership on the senate intelligence committee and the senate
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armed services committee had on their own in a classified setting uncovered this mass this
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they didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation right and so i was sort of in the
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and so something really wild happened which is basically there was this moment in time where
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saying uh you know who's who in the zoo you know like all the all the different players and all this and
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um and then making it um doing interviews uh over the course of three years uh yeah in the beginning when
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you said you were meeting with some intelligence officials that were sort of like guiding you in the right
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publicly how many of them that those original intelligence people you were talking about were in the movie
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you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process
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intelligent life right um his story is pretty amazing he's really the central figure in uh the
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modern investigation of uap and non-human intelligent life and and frankly in disclosure he um he in a
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of uap that eventually became known as a tip um there was this moment in time where osap essentially
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he was one of the people on jay's team um was he in the film yeah he was in the film was there's some
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there's some there's some footage of him in the film yeah his his uh here no wait he didn't do any
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interviews yeah we didn't do a direct interview but but i had um i already knew i had him in the film
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liked having the uh the hearing footage in there i think it makes people there's a lot of people
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so much stuff that he was saying in front of congress was nutty yeah yeah and there's a lot
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see it in their social media feed oh there was this hearing and ufos but it doesn't really
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branches to shake to yeah him and him and him and him and some other people yeah in the film there was
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there was about there was about four or five guys who were really guiding me in the early days and then
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and all the different intelligence agencies in the military and learn everything and be hyper aware of
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everything and he was a central figure in rubio and and and warner figuring out what was going on and
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really helpful once once rubio decided to participate in the film and other senior senators like senator rounds
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from south dakota senator gillibrand from new york from the democratic party um once they leaned in then
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introduced me to a number of the people who did interviews in the film i feel like that would make
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talk to and who not to talk to i'm automatically the wheels in my head are going whoa well it wasn't
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like indisputably legitimate people in my film were introduced to me by the senate intel committee i mean
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there's certain you know think about it like the people in my film are all they have the most credible
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way for the truth to come out and we encourage you to participate in this you know so yeah if you've
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game changer and you can spread your brand's word with their built-in marketing and email tools don't
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off the scent of what's really going on like the fact that this guy was living in new mexico or nevada
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he was seeing aliens from another world when in reality it was just their own technology that they
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were coming here and they knew that this guy was a big deal in mufon and they knew mufon this was in
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soviets were trying to get more in information and intelligence on what we what we had going on in our
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you know you got to realize the role that that storyline plays in a bigger picture right why is
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russians as real right right because the answer is because there is in fact a high-stakes secret
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they're not whistleblowers a couple of the people who have come out in in a big way in the public to
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them because um at the time there was a there was a in those in those situations there was either a
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impact in that it opened a lot of people's eyes inside a government who didn't necessarily realize
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that you know and um in the in the weeks since uh his two of his cabinet members pete exit the secretary
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what i got from the documentary was in the 40s after roswell all this stuff got sucked up into private
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contractors and it's been being controlled by private contractors and people have rotated in and out of
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top level positions over the decades and now the new people that come in don't even get briefed on this
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in the government so the government there's like the secret war between the u.s government and private
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very much involved with the defense contractors but you know in my film rubio breaks down how
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it or fully understand it um there's just not a room for those engineers sitting in an office at
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within the cia the air force and the department of energy that are very much involved in this and so
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um everyone in my film that talked about this this this hidden program uh referred to as the
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congressional oversight when it started in the 40s and so the tug of war really is elected officials
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that's happening in because all the other countries the government just controls everything there are
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for me from my interviews and in the film which is you know rubio also expresses this really clearly
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tell them it's important like she can just take the smartest scientists in china and say you're going
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articulated it in a way that the same kind of way you would articulate the importance of this topic
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the us lead in in this new frontier so we can make sure that it's used for the betterment of all mankind
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interviewed um told me this isn't something we got into in the film but um multiple people told me that
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that in the past there was information sharing between china and the us excuse me sorry russia and
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strategizing but many people told me about um information sharing um back in the day between
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right as an attack right and they were happening all over the place not just in the us they're
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happening in russia yeah uk yeah all over the place yeah what do you think have you has anyone ever
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president any any politicians in the united states have that kind of power i think there's a i think
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stainless steel with the convenience of non-stick all-in-one pan no peeling junk coatings off your
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and 50 000 five-star reviews the secret is out there's a reason gordon ramsey uses hex clad in his
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home and in his restaurants and everything comes with a lifetime warranty this is cookware built to last
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they because they were either you know senior in the military or in the government and and just
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what they know um the one that always stays in my head is uh is a uh someone who's um part of the
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and then ultimately uh he used very specific words that have stayed in my head he ultimately told me
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if he participated in the film and i always thought the use of the word forfeiting was very specific and
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word choice you know um but uh you know put yourself in my shoes man like i i had i immediately was
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like well of course i definitely do not want you or me in any situation remotely like that you know
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you know right um don't want to be in some crazy dangerous situation um you know there's there's a lot
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on the other side of that line because what what's revealed in my film is shocking you know people
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know non-human bodies being in these crashes and um talking about the extent of the cover-up uh it's
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you know one of the most interesting things to me about the the grays that you see in close
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encounters and in all the media lore is that they're they're bipedal upright walking hominids
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this issue the him and some of his colleagues in in on the house side of congress that are really on
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about it uh how does he know that multiple leaders um in the navy in the u.s navy you know
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miles right um there was one that was that was tracked in aguadilla right in puerto rico that they
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happening in our oceans and in space where you're not flying right right and so unidentified anomalous
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gate kept this since the 40s they created the stigma around this topic in the late 40s early 50s
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stigma is a couple of officials in my film talk about how this stigma that was created originally
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behind in this technology race because our scientific community doesn't even know it's real as a result
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of the stigma so big a big mission for people in my film when when i talk to them you know off camera
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about why why what was driving them to want to participate in the film one of the big reasons
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stigma you know and the stigma led to you know jay stratton talks in the film about how uh when you try to
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know if uh for so many stories of high level navy fighter pilots who see something in the air that's
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this bullshit you know and so they weaponize it dude there's a crazy a great um story in annie
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jet propelled airplanes in i forget what year it was super early uh they would send the cia test
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pilots up with gorilla masks in the cockpits so in the case they got into visual distance with a
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so you talk in the movie you hear about the legacy program you hear other people talk about the legacy
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is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the
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thousands and thousands of employees yeah and so someone reveals in my film that it's the head of
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energy uh that really run the legacy program's interest in this that's my understanding of the
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one big program in one inside of one umbrella underneath one company or is it multiple companies
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um is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on um technology
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involved in the nuclear process ranging from nuclear weapons sites to uranium mines to you know processing
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insight people who were i mean those those meetings were interesting they'd be in person and be told to leave
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i didn't because um a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that uh those folks you know
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literally had the door slammed in his face wow yeah and another crazy thing is a lot of these people
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at cia who are in charge of science and technology or other levels of cia spookiness they all end up in
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and as a number of the officials in my film say um there's been a misappropriation of funds you know
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that's been gleamed you know um it's a lot of money out there in the world you know um
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is that all of these folks who have been involved in covering this up they've they've all had their
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with in the cia that have touched this over the years likely they would honestly say that they think
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they're doing the right thing you know that they think yeah sure we are in a uh we are in a technology
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and literally say everything we know and don't know like that's pretty stupid when we're in it when
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we're in a race with adversaries but i think the base facts that we're not alone in the universe
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that the us government has in fact retrieved technology of non-human origin that adversaries
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have as well and that we are in this technology race those base facts can be comfortably shared and
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people involved in gatekeeping this yeah that it's the it's the race we're in with adversaries that
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they worry about so if you look at the the technology it these crafts are it's revealed in my film how
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to to that area whichever way they're achieving creating this much energy in a localized area
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they're warping space time in a localized area they're creating um with the scientists in my film
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it it allows it to do things um that you know this is kind of what bob lazar described right in his
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film he did he did describes yeah it allowed it allows the craft to operate in a way that looks like
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physics as we understand it yeah it's just in its own space time yeah um but the reason i just went
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this technology exists and that it has been cracked yes it could as you said solve the energy crisis in
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destruction in the blink of an eye and that's a terrifying thought and so see how it's it's not black it's not a black
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or white situation yes it could solve the energy crisis but you know a bad actor in his garage could
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know again the people who have been involved in this would say that's the only reason you need to just
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some of the people that are on the boards of these private industry companies also like own a huge stake in
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literally be a bad actor in your garage in middle america and you could make something as destructive as
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you could yeah or do you want this ending up in the hands of like terrorists like you know imagine
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close encounters and et and interest in this would like to know the truth and and and learn about it all
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are you did you follow that at all yeah it was all these people that were like in line to go in front
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of congress or give their testimony just like you know killing themselves by shooting themselves in the
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head five times it's horrible it's crazy it's really horrible drinking in your 20s and drinking
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in your 30s are two very different experiences back then a few drinks was no problem these days
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dhm which works while you sleep to help smooth out that rebound effect in your brain and cysteine
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doses and it's in over 30 000 stores like target cvs and walgreens take cheers restore after your last
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scientist who's been involved in a lot of highly classified programs dealing with uap and other
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where he ultimately comes out on it as a guy who's been around this topic for decades and is in his 80s now
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he ultimately comes out thinking that we need to make it a humanitarian issue in the same way that
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the truth about all this could could could in in theory unite humanity it could make it could make
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all of humanity realize that we have more in common than than than we have differences right and um
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how to deal with it um now look that might just not be in the cards that might not be possible the dynamics
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um in my opinion the most interesting time to be alive because some some some amount of the truth
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is is coming out right now you know my film makes it clear that there has in fact been a cover-up of
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put this uh disclosure directive in motion and so it's it's playing out right now we'll we'll see you
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in the intelligence community that's in my film um told me that um
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um when when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program
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idea of how they could weaponize it uh yeah i mean if you you know as described in the film you know you
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create a bubble and if you warp space time in a localized area you can create a bubble around anything a craft
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if you can travel great distances in the blink of an eye then
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game and people's you know gamemanship will come in and geopolitics will come in and i think
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at least now the ufo topic in general i don't think it's stigmatized anymore it's completely out of the bag
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in the coffin for the stigma we all know everybody knows ufos are real you can't watch that film and
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of that you know like where where does that move to next the the thing is when there is this gap in
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in the intelligence and military communities that all have different views on this stuff like there's
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people that are in the military and in intelligence and in higher levels of government who think that
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don't give when the when the people in charge don't give a definitive analysis yeah they just sort
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kennedy's speech and say you know the moon the thing up in the sky there we're gonna go there
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they would laugh at you and be like that sounds crazy you know like in the context of that time
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it probably sounds crazy right right but then a president you know and other leaders in the country
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under under the ice in arcan we'd have no idea we're we're in a little bubble you know i mean it
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recovered them it's tangible technology and in some cases there's been non-human beings in these crafts
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and um you know the other thing is you know they say people say it in my film but uh
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i think in this age of disclosure we're living and i think we will eventually get to some of that stuff
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got a 4k camera in their pocket yeah everyone has a 4k camera in their pocket but it's the same reason
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why everyone with a 4k camera in their pocket can't get clear video of fish under the ocean from above
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heard from folks that i've had on this podcast who are like the most tapped in dorkiest ufo dorks
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under there's there's this pro um this agency called the i think it's the u in r or nro something it's
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somewhere in like the north atlantic or whatever of like an incoming something really fast like the
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duck inside this metal tube in the middle of the ocean yeah i mean think back to you know for rough
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mean i've you know for example that um in my film one of the one of the interview subjects
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was a air force security guard at vanderburg air force base on the california coast i live in
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in alaska exactly it was it was a missile site that he was guarding was not a nuclear weapon site
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there in awe staring at this thing processing this uh he said there was no lights no windows no visual
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you know there was also the guy bob jacobs who bob jacobs is in the film he talked about they were
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interviewed in the film as well he was a he was a cameraman for the air force his job was to film
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told you know never to talk about it and and you know essentially like wow dude threatened in a way um
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and how did they use nukes to try to like bait the ufos in yeah so that's one of the really fascinating
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things um that my interview subject shared and um a long time ago they realized folks involved in
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covering this up in the legacy program and in other you know areas like the navy uh they they they
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that would attract uap and lower them in and um then they could collect data and get get uh get
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information that would help them in their technology race i do believe that my understanding is some
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lines were crossed where they also cause some of these crashes they would lower them in and they would
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super complicated situation you know sort of damned if you do damned if you don't in any part of this whole
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of my relationships in the government right now that um some of the intelligence officials
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luring these things in in the past and that they had figured out how to do that and these intelligence
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saw with their own eyes uap um i was told this in confidence uh by a couple people within the last
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shake those trees and in that process apparently um some of them were given a demonstration on how
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uap can be lured on how to lure them in yeah and apparently saw with their own eyes which was a game
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drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so
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you could put a nuclear submarine in a certain area and nearby it you could put um another vessel with a
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his colleagues had about how these things could be lured in how they how um how elements of our
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ago it was i want to say the 90s maybe i could be wrong could be in the 2000s um who said that he was
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working in the military somewhere in the remote jungles of indonesia or something yeah i remember
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indoctrinated into western society into the technological world that we live in here people
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consciously control the ufos wow sounds crazy there was a guy that jesse michaels had in his podcast who
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was there to red team michael herrera when he did his press thing and uh he said he he was going in
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that particular event in the jungle other than what you know i've read on my once michael started sharing
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evidence of it uh that's been declassified uh dr hal putoff who's in my film who's very involved in the
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video evidence or a craft landing you know in time square and non-human intelligent life walking out
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you know short of that level of in your face evidence the best we can really hope for is extremely
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weight in things said by people who fit that description you know and um whether that's you
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that they have as leverage to earn more money in different private organizations oh yeah yeah so yeah
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go in the work in the private sector they work for a big defense contractor or you know or they work for
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right and so no one who spoke on camera in my film and revealed these extraordinary truths
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he said these extraordinary things in my film did he get laughed out of dc no he got escalated
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he got escalated to the second most powerful guy in the world our secretary of state interest
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and our national security advisor you know there's only one time in american history that one person
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um number of the people in my film are are actively working uh in the private sector using their their
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in the only way he could that's what i think i think he's a guy who's in his 80s he's been at the
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agencies he's never publicly revealed anything on this topic but he agreed to participate in my film
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and play a role in disclosure and he shared what he could and it was pretty significant actually um
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is in fact real it's not conspiracy it's not nonsense it is a real situation
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they did in fact have a program to actively investigate uap so he unveiled the air force's
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actual role in all this their hidden role and he i think did a big service to the public and to
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sensationalized so much you know in movies and tv shows that i think most people don't think it's real
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and i think here here here was a guy putting his credibility on the line late in life to say that
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like he got a weight off his chest yeah when he said that and um i think he was at a place in life
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yeah yeah he is you know and and and yeah he's been caught up in some um you know political
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believe but like what what would he get out of line yeah what would what would a guy in his 80s
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get out of going and participating in this film that he knows is all about disclosure he knew in
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would make it no no especially when you add in context that like i alone would have like the the
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people watching my film wouldn't have his wife was in the hospital dying like in her in her final weeks
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with personally i reached out and said hey you know if it's not the right time in life it's it's it's all
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did jay get you in touch with clapper um no okay no i just think it's you know it's important to keep
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in mind some of that stuff the history of these people you know because even if somebody is a
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doesn't always mean in fact almost never means they're going to tell you the truth
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were spying on american citizens yeah look i do think that you know if he had lied in the past
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right if you study his body language in the doc that's that's the impression i get
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he's getting up there in age man you know a lot of these people are look at his face in the film
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when he i did i did after he says the area 51 line you could tell there was other people in the room
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you know what what would be what would be the the narrative if all 34 people in this film
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very skeptical if it all fit together perfectly you know and it was like bow tied up and wrapped up in
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real disclosure when in fact it's a completely separate narrative from what they think it really
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in the 40s and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country right and um
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make money you know if someone had cracked a new energy source in the 40s i think they would have used
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it to become the most valuable company on the planet none of the defense contractors are even in the top
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hundred most valuable companies in america much less the world really yeah yeah not northrop and
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major defense contractors um are in the top ten corporations yeah that's cap wise i don't think the
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with that but so if look if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s my point is i think
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i think they would have used it in other ways i don't think that technology would there's no there's
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not in the top 10 most valuable companies globally by market capitalization as of 2016 while firms like
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revenue uh they are smaller in market valuation compared to tech giants such as apple microsoft
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i spoke to says that uh some of those defense contractors listed there are involved in this yeah
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this technology for that long i think they are involved in reverse engineering it now and i think
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they're making massive breakthroughs and maybe some of them are finally like there already in their black
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ii would have ended a lot quicker you know like would we have stayed in world war ii right no that's
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energy in a localized area and create these little crafts that flew within you know bright bubbles of
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a number of the people involved in first off jay stratton ran the investigation of the tic tac for
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20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the
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about this one thing right so much so that in the movie uh when james earl jones the head of the cia
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gets a satellite photo of a submarine in russia that he doesn't recognize and they wonder what it is
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air and space technology and that is why he ended up in this investigation of uap and non-human
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on a nuclear base of a triangle craft hovering above a nuclear weapon site and moving in ways that nothing
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does and so they asked him you know please tell us this is one of ours he had been read in on all the black
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he was read in on those so that he could identify things that are ours versus things that are
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be there has to be intelligent life teaming go back go back to tic tac if in 2004 if if let's say
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that was lockheed martin technology all right if lockheed martin in 2004 had technology that could go
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right if they had technology that could go from sea level to space in like the blink of an eye and then
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publicly public they're not even in the top 100 market cap in the united states much less the world
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i've thought about this from every angle if they had that technology in 2004 even if it was highly
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to any other defense contractor but in reality they did unless every year they did unless there was a
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you'd be you'd be sitting on the biggest technological breakthrough in the history of humanity
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or nobody knows what you really have except for a very small group of people where's the value so in
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this conspiracy theory the only way there would be any merit to it is if there was leadership in the
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government that that knew this because if they didn't if if lockheed had tick tech technology in
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2004 and no one in the government knew it why would they keep it classified
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only and they had actually cracked this technology in 04 and it was theirs it wouldn't they wouldn't it
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wouldn't be classified they would monetize it they become the wealthiest company in the history of
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to monetize it i'm sure there'd be more power in keeping it secret if they were developing something
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that they bought were involved in the legacy program early on i've been told same with northrop grumman
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that line of thought if that was the case then if that was the case and it led to in 2004
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somewhere know about it right and so does lockheed in that dynamic i personally believe lockheed would have
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and not be at least in the top 10 market cap by the way i own lockheed martin stock it'd be amazing
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defense contractors are in the us right i think i think those are the companies that our military
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generation technology and i think that they have been involved and utilized in the legacy programs
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technology that's secret that nobody in the public knows about yeah for sure for sure and i think they
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reverse engineering this stuff in recent years that's what i think but i do not think that you know
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people seeing this stuff in like antiquity you know sailors on ships seeing these giant balls of
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reverse engineered craft out there i think china and russia are neck and neck in a high stakes race
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and they're both making progress yeah i think um you know in the film until those officials refer
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i do not think that we we cracked that kind of technology back then one of the scientists in
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there was a lot of anti-gravity research going on in the united states specifically around the
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university of north carolina chapel hill in the 50s lots of physicists were like on the cusp and and
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projects in the 50s who knows what they could have figured out by now certainly some i'm sorry it's
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you take like um you know all the missing money in the u.s government where rumsfeld said right before
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we just honed in on u.s defense contractors and did they have that and my my thesis is no and if they
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are heavily invested in our current technologies and have been involved in reverse engineering stuff
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there is um non-government non-contractor money involved in this and i never really got got any
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involved in this that we that we don't know about yet but um
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and um he ended up on a mission in the middle east and came back and he had an illness and long very
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long story short they they they identified a parasite in his brain and he had he had a brain surgery to
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while laying stationary he went somewhere else like he saw it all in his mind's eye like he felt like he
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was his medical records and his education records and then shockingly he found enlistment paperwork in the
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like a made-up document what is this date he was in yeah can you say it or no i probably shouldn't i
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probably should keep those details so this so this this this guy in in real life scott is um someone i was
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introduced to um from someone in my film and he is writing a tell-all memoir right now and simon and
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out but his full story is in this and i've uh got to know him and his wife and his kids and spent a lot
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of time with them and it is just the most bombshell singular story i've ever heard in my life and um
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not only did he find enlistment paperwork uh in the u.s air force but he also found his discharge
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um in those records was um was um his excused absences from school for weeks at a time he
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level intelligence official friends um he found his life in jeopardy and there were a couple attempts
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gave him a biological effect that's yeah gave him this ability to somehow use his mind in a way that
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we're you know average people don't um maybe it just like turned on something that's in all of us already
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show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah
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rendalsham when people say rendalsham it's really referring to the rendalsham forest in the uk right
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there was a there was a joint military uk base there in the 80s it was called um i think it was called raf
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it was a joint uk us base at the time in the 80s it had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in europe
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simply put there was a joint uk military base in this area of the english countryside and um at the
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security guards and the base commander went out and saw these things in the woods around the base and
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and um there's a number of people who have had encounters on bases who then were promptly um put in a room
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so look the air force and the cia's role in this is is well well documented people have been talking about
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know it in the documentary the phenomenon which james fox directed i had the opportunity to be one of
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james did an amazing job of of covering that story in a little section at the end of the film
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yeah um there was a school in uh in south africa yeah in rural south africa yeah and it was a
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whose um parents were working in south africa for some reason and uh so it wasn't it wasn't like local
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100 something kids out in the backyard playing they ranged in age i think it was like 6 to 12 or
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in the in the field that had landed and beings telepathically communicating and all these kids
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seem to move in weird ways like almost like a blur and they described them telepathically communicating
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footage of one of these young girls yeah like six or seven saying in her in her kid vocabulary she says
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in my film in the age of disclosure about how the technology works if a craft came down and it had a bubble around it
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that and and beings got out of the craft but they were still in the bubble it would look like they're
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moving in slow motion like these kids described because they're in a different space time right
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the head of the bbc south africa who was stationed in south africa and heard about this extra member's
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hardened you know journey as a serious journalist he wanted to like bring in some kind of expert to tell
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psychiatry in the united states at the time his name was john mack so he calls him he tells him about
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um towards the end of his process and i was able to play a role in helping get the movie out there and
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crazy because he was just interviewing random everyday people in this like bumfuck town in brazil
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yeah and then they all talk about these like all these like military people in brazil are afraid
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and like like stories of men in black the u.s air force plane landing carting this thing off and then
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of the biological effects to civilians in that area um people that got zapped by uh this uap
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in this event this this specific event um the the brazilian military did a massive investigation of it
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of the us government that have been covering this up the folks involved in legacy program you know likely
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had had a role in covering it up and just you know sure making sure it never never made it to the public um
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talking about it on podcasts like yeah um in the past there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it
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military to go all the way to i communicated with a alien in a hospital telepathically like that's
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it's pretty much in like the zeitgeist now in common in in america at least but like i feel
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right it could be in a follow-up film it could be in a spin-off um it could be in something else i do um
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that was enough you know yeah and i actually had um in one uh cut of the movie i did have a little like
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one of the wild things i learned was that as people involved in investigating this
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them they started looking into non-human intelligent life in uap for the government and all of a sudden
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they were having activity at their houses orbs in their homes in front of their wives in some cases
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crafts like straight up ufos within eyesight of their homes um that's covered in a lot of my interviews
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and i ended up putting it into like a three or four minute scene in an early cut of the movie and when
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and and believed betrayal and every single time it was that sequence it was that sequence in the film
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what they're saying in this scene and it was just something about these people sharing their own
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personal experience that happened in their own home that becomes a bridge too far for people yeah
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the interesting things in the film is rubio and clapper we talked about two guys we talked about today
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they both say in the film they talk about how it's difficult for people to wrap their head around
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it's something in the human psyche yeah that does that and that's actually something that they are
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experienced it yet and rubio makes points about um there being several examples of that blowing up in
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commercial airplanes and use it against us in a terror stack yeah until they did and we never you
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and then sometimes that leads to a strategic surprise that as he says in the film could change the course of
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people witnessed with them and then in the coming days had subsequent events when they were off the
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homes yeah or not necessarily those cases the new open stories were actually not homes it happened in
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and i didn't i didn't include this in the film but i did say i have it maybe i'll maybe i'll
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few draws of uh dvds in alphabetical order like like a lunatic that's awesome um but uh
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was no longer where it was in front of the the uh the nuke um site he was now at the bottom of a
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just there it had been relocated and he came to and his partner was still basically catatonic in shock
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and he called in saying saying where they were and you know as crazy as it was he's like this is where
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guy and he had a very similar story that went down on a different base in a different decade and then
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the aftermath was like almost exactly the same him and his he that guy was um in another vehicle he had
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investigation cia asking the questions and then um one of them was shipped to a base on in japan
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they're like going back in their mind these memories you could feel how much it like stresses them out
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one had he could see in the corner's eye had what looked like like a cattle prod like a device in
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yeah yeah there's all this overlap in these stories and you know a lot of them um a lot of them happened in
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um in different they happened in different years and like the circumstances um
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these guys to me is these guys were trusted enough to work on nuclear weapons bases they were placed in
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the cold war they have to be proven psychologically sound yeah to be in charge of those places and i
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think like if we put ourselves in the context of history like during the cold war there would have
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not just for people who are already completely immersed in this topic and interested in it you
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serious situation and i do feel like that mission was accomplished um especially in how it led to
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massive impact on people yeah the average person you know when i think about like my folks in jersey in
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you know or they'll doze off or they'll watch it you could have done it in like three parts or something
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like you can do that you can you can accomplish that mission in under two hours you can watch this
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um not only uh to become interested in this topic because of movies like et and close encounters
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and close encounters i remember reading about how he made uh short films as a kid in like middle school
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then his friends would be in them um his family members would be in them and so i was inspired to
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you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh
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you know mowing lawns in the summer um to buy uh a camera super eight camera a 16 millimeter camera
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edited these little short films that my neighborhood buddies would would would star in one of my best
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film i made where two buddies of mine uh phil and dan they they rob a 7-eleven and it's like in the movie
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in this little short and it's just like a it's like a heist little three minute heist right and
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counters like i think it's like probably freshman year in high school yeah the cops came in and they'd
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participate in this police chase in my short film and the guy did it he did it and i sped up the film
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really fast and he's peeling around corners in our little suburban jersey neighborhood that's absolutely
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car chase or i'd get like the local emts the ambulances to like you know show up in a scene
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started in 2010 a year before the book came out and then the book came out and became this big you
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point in uh spring of 2015 we had a draft that we all loved and the studio loved and we needed a
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pre-production end of 15 we shot in 6 16 in the uk in the english countryside uh warner has a studio
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called leavesden and it's about an hour hour and a half out of out of london and we shot there in 2016
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and then it was in post-production throughout all of 2017 and um then it came out march of 2018
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disclosure was done we also premiered it in the exact same slot sunday afternoon opening weekend of
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south by southwest film festival and we premiered in the same theater the paramount theater in austin
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yeah being on stage introducing the movie well i have this memory of sitting in the audience
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watching spielberg introduce ready player one in the same same place into that's pretty incredible
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dude yeah yeah what's even weirder like kind of a glitch in the matrix um it was uh south by southwest
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new movie coming out yeah he's got he's got he's got disclosure date coming out in june and i think
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close encounters as a kid and et as a kid led to me having this lifelong interest in eventually making
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you get especially in this day and age where everyone's so add and looking at a million things
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on their social media scrolls like movies or those is like you know in rare air in that like you get
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a powerful force of movie i think and so especially when you like really have to invest in it you know
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like when you had to get in the car drive there go sit down you know buy your popcorn buy your soda
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anymore it's kind of sad because that's like you're you're so locked in when you're when you're there
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and you're you're that invested in it you've committed that much time to doing it and now it's
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know for a guy who's the most successful person in the history of hollywood right yeah uh he was
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it was it was an um i mean put yourself in my shoes man i mean literally my favorite filmmaker since i was
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it felt like a kid in a candy store and um but he was very cool and um i remember actually uh
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one day uh early on in making that movie um myself and uh ernie klein were in in the lunch line with
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passed away he actually lived in my hometown um he played the head of the cia and he he has that
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redborn is the tall guy uh white hair he was in the talented mr ripley he's in a lot of movies he was
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in the game remember the game michael douglas oh that's an amazing movie by the way the game
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there's all these line items in dod's budget that actually go towards something else that's like that's
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wow they're just hiding it all in fucking movies i gotta go back and watch that movie it's a really
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special forces guy who had been in involved in a uap event and it's a long story but the the summary is
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and the recovery was happening and this this guy was in the water uh with a couple of his colleagues
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connecting the missile and there was a helicopter floating above them there's a few of these guys in
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was just there they look up they're freaking out people in the chopper are freaking out and apparently
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it whoa yeah and then it took off um and these guys were just swimming in the water yeah yeah oh my god
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a good idea to stay in the atmospheres because the atmospheres are the atmospheres are so volatile
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the the there's volcanoes asteroids comets all kinds of shit you can't predict in the atmosphere
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the exact temperature and pressure and if you had the ability to warp space-time in a localized area
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time with this topic right like he clearly had some insight in the 70s when he made close encounters
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that movie in the theater oh yeah yeah 100 bro yeah i think he i think he had i think he had real
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consultants um in the same way that you know before i made the age disclosure i formed relationships with
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what source that came from this is just something that's kind of like a story that's out there in
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the here's the story about spielberg and et um can you zoom in a little bit in the new interview
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your movie and then he looked around the room and said and there are a number of people in this room
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who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true spielberg remembered wow in
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that you know most people either don't know happened or forgot about i put i put it in my film in the
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planet right and how it will help us um see more of what we have in common yeah differences we'll think of
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yeah but the wild thing about that is like put yourself in his shoes he's the president united
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that i didn't end up including in the film simply because there wasn't time or like what they talked
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about there wasn't like an organic way to get to it in the context of the doc it would have felt like a
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since some some form but one of them was a former nsa guy who was involved in um reagan's star wars
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the concern about uap coming in and out of our atmosphere was one of the motivations for the
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had had learned how real the situation was now it's revealed in my film that most u.s presidents are
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kept in the dark on this they're not told the truth and that they're told the base facts i think
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on their own figured out the rest but they're largely just kept kept in the dark yeah but yeah reagan
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and then bush the other the other one who has a big role we talked about in the film is um
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read in on this he was not told the truth about the crash retrieval and reverse engineering program
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think tank we talked about it in my film one of the people who participated in the think tank is dr hal
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pudoff who's in my film he tells the story about how he and i think he said like a dozen other people from
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various uh parts of society scientists um people from finance um were put in a room basically and told that
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of things right and they all went in he said they all went into it thinking this was going to be a
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participated in this and this was an actual process that happened in our lifetime which is wild you know
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knew what was going on in the world and this was happening in a room secretly in dc that's crazy
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interesting year we are we are 100 living in in the age of disclosure that is that is for sure um i do
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gonna make is um i'm having some high level conversations with folks in government about
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in like we've talked about a few of them that could be on their own standalone docs like deep dives
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down a specific situation that happened in the same way that james did that great film
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in my lifetime yeah we will and thank thank you for putting uh shining a light on this topic man i mean
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