I think, um, William J. Perry, who was dep sec def deputy secretary of defense.
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What's interesting about that is the, uh, that restructuring was done under the deputy secretary of defense, William J. Perry, him and the following successor deputy secretary of defense who would oversee SAPWOC, John M. Deutsch.
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