that that documentary on jonathan wagan i like i'd heard of him but i had never heard any of
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of them open with possibly a non-human arm hanging out of the craft and this liquid is like clear but
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it's viscous like syrup and the craft itself looks somewhat metallic but it's changing colors like
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gets the fluid all over himself and it's to this day like removed hair from his legs it discolored
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almost seemed like the craft shut off including a a sound like a guitar amp that eventually died down
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adkins yelling at him to hey step away from the craft and during this time he felt like i know you
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and jesse talked about jake barber and some of the psionics and stuff right he felt like there was
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and to this day he has seen like these creatures what he calls them in his dreams that were in the
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craft he he doesn't know how to explain how he felt like these things were contacting him but it's
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like talking about um and he didn't really talk about live with me but stuff like being surveilled
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by a team of men in black camouflage and stop me if this sounds familiar when you hear cases like
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wagant being feisty being like 23 years old tries to swing at one of them
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the details okay so like a quick side note to that the uapda which is probably going to be
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trans classified foreign nuclear materials so inherently that that means like anything that
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is their founding authority was also the 1954 atomic energy agreement so you have legislation like the
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stories like jonathan wegan encountering doe teams whose given authority is that same 54 agreement so it's
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of spooky shit going on in south america in the 90s like there's a lot of there was a lot of uh ufo crash
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though jacques filet wrote a book about like some crazy massacre that happened in south america
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um where like basically all these people were slaughtered have you heard of this
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but um but yeah no south america and mexico that that period of time was like very active with
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in 1978 in bolivia there was a case of a uh almost like a tic-tac like a cylindrical shaped object
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like what you're talking about in 1974 in mexico there's a pretty famous kind of underrepresented
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right and a lot of marine crash retrieval stories you have jonathan wagant you have like the testimony
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thing is wagant didn't have any like medical tests right because i've hypothesized he was taken to
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the namru navy medical research unit six in aikitos peru but it's not like he was subjected to blood
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drawn all that stuff the one weird thing is he was forced to give in like an forced to take an anthrax
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isn't talking to them since no he doesn't like him they don't like him oh wow part of what's a little
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to me and i emailed them uh just cordially saying like hey i'd like to talk to you about your time in
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respond hello my full name which is of course like a bully intimidation tactic and the guy just tried
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out my information before to him nor since nor on my channel has jonathan did he tell you about like
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ever being like contacted by anyone from the government or intimidated and tried to like
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the fbi would show up at his house and show up at his grandma's house like looking to talk to him he never
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talked to him but so he was pretty spooked sort of like the the men in black right if you would
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these nest teams so these nest teams are part of the department of energy and it's basically like they
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they comp they they bring in all of the like top tier special operators not quite and i'm sorry i should
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like after they extracted him out does he or does anyone else have any idea what happened to that
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pretty large and if it was stuck in granite how the heck was that thing taken out right like there
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almost and and how does a does something get lodged in granite you would think that like it would have
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is harder than granite i don't some sort of meta meta material maybe like a shield around it maybe
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that translucent mother of pearl effect was some sort of shield like material and why did it crash i
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spacecraft like that yeah you know maybe maybe there's some some truth to that there's some other
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just exploded near the target and some of the fragging just took it out oh like a shotgun blast yeah but
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speculation on his part yeah and then when he so he claimed in 2000 that he they were like
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about like a three four-fingered arm hanging out the crowd yeah greer edited that out of of his of
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but you know maybe he didn't want to maybe he thought like the descriptions of fingers and like some weird
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alien arm hanging out would make it more unbelievable and he wanted to kind of like leave the stuff in there
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existence maybe future humans like dr mike masters likes to kind of hypothesize on this crashing here
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it like last year i think after she dropped her book she she kept it secret in the book right but she
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the first time and they were like really upset about it like how do you make that i mean
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interview george nap was a little bit hot under the collar because he said like hey i i'm i gosh
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nap obviously or was it because yeah it was like 10 years after it was 10 years after okay
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basically to make them look like aliens and they crashed it crashed whether on purpose or not and uh
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and he was like well why wouldn't you expose o'donald that's it alfred o'donald
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and they were like why did you keep this from us that's just terrible that's also something that was
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being like disfigured people sent from russia which i don't know it's interesting that alfred o'donald on
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she also she also is a proprietor that area 51 s4 is is real right yes like i think she's put forward a
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it's like the auxiliary site below groom lake it's just south of room lake area 51 and then you have
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there um but i don't know i don't know like do you think that area 51 is still being utilized for this
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like dugway proving ground the utah test and training range um fort huachuca edwards 412th china lake
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even added him on snapchat and funny enough that's the one place where he's ever like read my message and
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like you're saying you're saying like what do i think about us being able to recreate a ufo yeah like
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probably right i think like the tic tac was likely something that we have that we created you know maybe
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some black aerospace or like lockheed or something like that some sort of like black technology that
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talking about that could have created the tic tacs or something like that um i don't think it was like
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uh accounts of these underwater ufos coming out of the ocean in like 1717 which is crazy and and and
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since talking to him it's you know it's apparent that there's just a mixed bag of here like is it
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jesse were talking about is like he was explaining how all this anti-gravity research went dark in the
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50s yeah and just and just went nowhere and then string theory came about so like that probably has
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and hit the like button on the video back to the show so it's not there's no website for the underwater
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went on to be a cia spook so neuro's kind of claim to fame is using vessels like the uss halibut
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like depths and this guy said this was about a mile and a half deep yeah did and so the team dives so
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a back like a perfect triangle glyphic writing along the side like gun metal color no visible means
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something to to get after yeah i wonder how many more stories there are like that of retrieving stuff
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large metallic teardrop shaped craft no visible means of propulsion looks like a teardrop looks like a
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this with richard dolan too like you can literally turn the globe if you look at the pacific ocean you
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can see there's a there's a no land yeah it covers a more huge it's like a massive amount of this earth
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this in 1964 it seems like sand dollar had existed previously with an itemized inventory of everything
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items so it seemed like the us navy had a large itemized inventory of all of these objects on the
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point of like underwater bases right yeah there's a uh there's a great author his name's richard
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worldwide which is really interesting and of course there's it's it's very likely that there are like
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question about undersea bases is how do you power them the logistics sound like a nightmare yeah at
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least for it seems like optimal though right yeah for cooling especially if you have some sort of
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states but also published a ton of papers such as like uh self-contained nuclear reactors to power
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crazy advanced underground locations that i think it was ordroff even had like its own underground rail
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who is pulling the strings because it's not like this is a above board air force project above board navy
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project not like a cia project all of this is inherently born within saps and usaps unacknowledged
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what stephen greer was explaining to me he was like he was explaining to me how like these tops top joint
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describing it to me is like imagine if lockheed or one of these companies like this got so much
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the rails so far to where they have more power than like every foreign and domestic military combined to
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where they're kind of like a like a breakaway military superpower that like doesn't have to
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answer to anybody if like katherine austin fitz says if there is a some sort of segment existing
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it wrong but he said something to the effect of like when hits the fan at least we have the spaceships
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or something like this yeah but what's elon on about right he was on joe rogan and he's told joe
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like let's say that some of his uh starlink satellites are interfering with the nro's ai sentient program
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even if he hasn't been read in right like he's surrounded by these people and he's surrounded
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by that guy tim who was in the book who you know who's like super esoteric and all this stuff and
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him and talking to him like how is it possible that he's not has serious conversations about it
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whether it be like a full uh read in or not you know i'd wager it's probably high probability he's
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read in on a ufo reality right i mean um it seems like like here's the thing it's very suspicious
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something like that yeah uh our good mutual friend jesse michaels was just on joe rogan and they
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with admiral thomas wilson which actually did happen like this even wilson agrees that this
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no it's very classified but it has probably more oversight than something like neuro
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uh something like air force something like ed if he's really testing reverse engineer triangles so
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like at super high speeds yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's really interesting because jonathan said he
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heard uh air force personnel talking about craft entering and exiting earth's atmosphere at like mach 10
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miles per hour is absolutely bananas yeah especially in the in like the 90s yeah and especially
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retrieval operators are they like a rapid reaction unit because if you look at a couple years from
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has been accused by myself by great reporters like chris sharp christopher sharp at the liberation
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dedicated rapid reaction units or are these local special forces guy like i hypothesized in the jonathan
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stuff because he like he was is it true that like he was going in to try to like uh red team red whatever
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fucking red team i hate that word um he was basically trying to like catch these whistleblowers
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and like prosecute him for like leaking classified information and then he saw michael herrera talk and
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then he was basically like oh my god i was a part of this yeah and that's when he allegedly decided to
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like join the other side and like blow the whistle himself yeah i i'm so glad that happened i remember
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on for a long time including where he was taken by jake barber so he's on new stuff like personally
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person who's like bro you got to give him credit he's been doing this forever he's he's brought
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forward the most amount of whistleblowers that have divulged the most amount of information so like
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of uh the testimonies he receives i think he treats whistleblowers that come to him like his
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like david grush to disclose to or senate select committee on intelligence yeah so i think it's very
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complicated but i personally i i'm not a huge fan i don't really like yeah being called an intelligence
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what i would like to see is you know how he always calls out lou elizondo yes he's got this crazy
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about that uh i don't i i don't i would rather err on the side of like pushing for disclosure instead
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of like trying to get into like interpersonal problems and so forth especially a character like
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counterintelligence field activity oh yeah yeah uh i on a pedestal of of like high level whistleblowers i
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put uh david grush and then um and then you know others but i don't like to engage in the drama but i
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would like to see a debate between those two uh greer and elizondo that would be really fantastic and
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is pretty interesting yeah man the when you start to paying too much attention to like the the
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personalities and like the the ufo celebrities and the drama you start to get like lost in this
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whole thing and i think it's probably intentional and then the combination of the combination of like
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you know there's just so much fucking bullshit oh i know and especially uh official nonsense like dr
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pretty interesting future after arrow so sean kirkpatrick gets a hold of arrow in like 2022
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about them oh absolutely the miter corporation and uh like a group called the better angels
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talk more about ffrdc's because when people talk about ufo legacy programs like joint united states
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government contractor like air force and northrop grumman ufo programs the missing link there is the
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ffrdc's this is stuff like the miter corporation the aerospace corporation triad national security run
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r d wizards being these ffrdc's because they're not fully it's not like a contractor fully removed from
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interesting ties such as like this gets can harken all the way back to kexberg and dr eric a walker
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about michael's testimony it says like a u.s marine encountered an extraterrestrial vehicle in u.s
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to see who doesn't like who and who's saying what about you know these other whistleblowers
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know saying bad things about him oh yeah you know he's not involved with anything like obviously that
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the more of this stuff i hear it's just like it seems like it seems like all this stuff just is
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all the stuff from from sci-fi movies are becoming reality yeah you know like the like the jake
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barber stuff sounds exactly like stranger things yeah yeah well speaking of of star wars have you
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undersec if that's what it is a week later mark finally hears from brad brad sounds really like
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really interesting vehicles there's like a v12 vertical takeoff and landing little marines
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locky pulsar which is it is a craft that looks like a pumpkin seed uh craft that is i think powered by if
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undersea uav yeah bro look at that look at that thing it looks like a bird of course the lockheed
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creepy looking vehicle it looks like a looks like a almost like a bird but also a little sci-fi high
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techie yeah like like the more i see this stuff bro it just seems like there there's a a human
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he was he came in here with like a whole uh presentation of classified military aircraft
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and reconnaissance balloons and all kinds of things that explain he basically explained away most of like
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the most famous ufo sightings ever really including the phoenix lights he showed uh us like images of
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these giant balloons that have lights built in them and they're they're like reconnaissance balloons or
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something like this and it was the exact shape of the phoenix lights flying the same exact size
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just giant black like tube balloons whoa yeah i you know i agree with you that a lot of what's seen is
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engineered stuff because so brad sorenson sees the lockheed pulsar which seems like the same crazy
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where there are three flying saucers stationed hovering off the ground right these look like a
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okay there's a like a three-star general and contracting personnel there that are showing a
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videotape of i think it's the smallest flux liner um kind of bouncing jaggedly over like a desert surface
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hated that this this design because he talks non-stop in his interview that it looks like it was made by
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jump seats uh so this craft was like jerry rigged that little ball handle right there it's really
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about that same control system right there is used to control like the tr3b like reverse engineered
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triangle but so these these craft are powered i don't really understand the physics but by like some
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representation this craft has cameras slapped on the outside and like acrylic bubbles you'd find at a
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flying saucer that looks exactly like one of these but it looks like an evolution of the flux liner
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this badly there's a much higher definition uh yeah that looks like it image same shape yeah so mark
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talk to people and apparently he met other people like yousaf veteran kent sellin who saw the same craft
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guy very respected great on crash retrieval but he's also really close with uh greer like really
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good buddies with greer and he calls me and said where did you find that interview like that's not
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implication he may have actually like worked on such a craft saying stuff like i create i helped create
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what i saw and stuff like that it's an incredibly intriguing case the flux liner incredibly intriguing
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like everybody thinks about the tr3b triangle right like the the famous triangle from edgar fouché it's got
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just like the classic triangle the sal pais patents yeah there bill mcdonald worked with ryan and dr
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i'd like to press more into that because that's another possible example of a alien reproduction
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it's like in a in close encounters of the third time third kind there's large crates and boxes of
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like et to some high up military officials who kind of commented how et and like the subject of
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about it um yeah bro so the jake barber stuff like the psionic stuff um what do you make of all that
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it's it's so it's so interesting but i was kind of of the mind that before you introduce subjects like
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psionics which requires a lot of of understanding and faith into like remote viewing um psi research
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like the the fact like what michael herrera and jake barber were talking about with allegedly going to
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this earthquake disaster zone yeah and trying to capture like kids with like left-handed kids and uh
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first of all they're from like this remote part of the world they're not really connected from tech to
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technology um and they're they're young so like there's definitely something to be said like we
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were talking about on the phone yesterday i think i was telling you like like children i seem to be
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more tapped into this in like a extra invisible sense yeah that that we lose as we grow up you know
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similar like cats and dogs can like can sense different energies you know in the room it's uh it's
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similar to like joe rogan's fart hypothesis have you heard that no basically like if somebody if
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that a lot of the time with like uh you really got to slow down and demonstrate the capabilities of
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right like each youtube video creates a lot of discourse of of you know the the pinpricks of
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greer that talked about like left-handed and gay people yeah left-handed and gay people right young
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i i would like to and allegedly they were kept at the spot and like they were held there and fed a
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specific diet yeah and like given certain medications something like this yeah one of the
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of eggheads and uh lab coats brought in a briefcase and opened it up and it was a like a metallic swirling
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sphere in there almost like a palantir and told to just kind of look into it and react to it uh
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crazy stuff dude it's almost impossible to track it all and like again when it comes when you have
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people like that jake guy coming out and like talking about this psionic stuff and like it always is
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fishy to me when people talk in these absolutisms and terms as if like they know exactly what's
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happening you know yeah and uh and i don't know it's it's almost like it's just so difficult to
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navigate this stuff that it's like you know i like to check out every once in a while and just be like
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like there's probably disclosure advocates with varying interests and how disclosure plays out
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you know maybe there's a difference in what like lou elizondo wants versus what eric davis wants at the
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mechanisms for such programs like back in the 80s uh the navy was being overcharged by the grumman
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corporation and some other corporations they were being charged like 600 400 to 600 dollars for ashtrays
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and like f-14s and so there's just ashtrays yeah ashtrays and f-14s and that brings me back to that
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overcharging uh like the nsa seven like five to seven billion dollars for the trailblazer program
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mm-hmm which was supposed to be like a large-scale spine software uh right after 9 11 that was complete
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this money saic has enormous contracts many of which don't make any sense like a recent 280 million
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show up for like another three or four weeks so she's just sitting there and having no idea what
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reports no technical reports nothing like that so they're just empty contracts that money can
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be funneled like katherine austin fitz says specifically mentioning saic into the black
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the bosses and she eventually quits when she almost chokes on some food and like nobody helps her but so
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saic took over yeah yeah yeah saic huge huge into uh like telepathy telekinesis they have lots of
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seriously because as recently as 2013 the office of naval research published a study like a revolutionary
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study on human sixth sense using like precognition in humans almost to to kind of get a jump on things so
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really really weird discussion of contracts and and like human remote viewing at saic
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reading that article all about the creation of google yeah how that basically google was incubated by like
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walk doing like uh status updates every month on what they were doing and how they were doing i think they
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at where we're at now with all the stuff that's going on you know how they're basically trying to like
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it's going to talk to you have cameras in it so it's just like okay this company that was created by
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like the deep state essentially is now creating all these appliances and software that are integrated into
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reality especially when companies like google when companies like saic that basically helped create
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massive way even like dod high level perception and and kind of government perception yeah man it's
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crazy but like going back to what we were we were just got we were discussing like um you know some of
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these private contractors we talked a lot about like the doe which is interesting because you know
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is you might know more about this than i do but the doe the department of energy essentially is like
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of like what types of light bulbs we're allowed to use or sell the i mean the doe is truly an enormous
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and amorphous blob they even have their own like like they even have their own armed teams called srt
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special response team that transfer like nuclear radiological materials across the continental united
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energy commission that has just tremendous ties to to possible ufo programs just like we talked about
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and the doe also sponsors so many federally funded research and development centers like lawrence
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such locations and and even the doe what they were doing in um i think it was the like the 60s or 70s when
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they were like detonating subterranean nukes and like working with these oil companies trying to like
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basically uh frack oil using nuclear weapons it's just insane like like you said all the all the uh
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all the pies they have their hands in bro whenever you investigate a crash retrieval story or like a
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whistleblower testimony like edgar fouché who talked about the tr3b reverse engineered alien reproduction
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vehicle he directly said stuff like the lawrence livermore national labs and sandy national labs to doe
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nitinol was like accidentally discovered uh battelle memorial institute also ran something called project
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runs multiple ffrdc's like the out near fort dietrich maryland and that kind of region which has really
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university and another organization that formed like their own uh company to manage some doe labs for
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ffrdc's i'm trying to think which exactly here but once battelle did that then companies like saic
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engineered technology at pax river in virginia so battelle has always at least to me seemed like a
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almost almost like a chemical and biological subject matter expert there's there's one of those nickel
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it was last year and he like you know he he's crazy yeah he was there like live streams like talking to
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it was a woman and she was like uh i think she was a congresswoman and he was asking her about uh battelle
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and she goes excuse me what he goes battelle memorial institute she's like uh how do you
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what's i've never heard of that and he was like he's like okay it's spelled this go to this website
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i really need to look into that thank you for for i'm gonna look into them thank you it's just like
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you know i don't know it seems like nobody knows what's going on with all this stuff yeah and and how
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project stork it battelle is just it's just strange i think so if i if i had to wager like if i had to
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and on the on the uark level the university affiliate research center you have stuff like the
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project magnet and project second story but ufo researchers like henry azadehel and william steinman would
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which is a great case too yeah it seemed the esp remote viewing uh stuff seems to be like the at the
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foundation of all of this stuff man and it's also like the the convenient thing about it is it's the
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most ridiculous sounding thing i'm with you people can people can like comprehend or like swallow the idea
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of anti-gravity or like aircraft that aerospace companies are making but as soon as you start
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saying like reading minds or like a sixth sense and controlling shit with your mind people are just like
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psionics this stuff work i i am i'm of the mind also like many of the skeptics i i think there should be
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demonstrations of such a thing i'd like to see demonstrations of remote viewing of psionics and
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stuff because just like you and just like a lot of the public that is the hardest part for me to wrap
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there's a lot there to digest and research but stuff like psionics and and the consciousness studies i i
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man yeah about doty yeah it's a really good movie um and it's just like that that that movie really
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made me like more skeptical than ever about everything you know i don't i don't know how
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manipulate information and like paint a false narrative um and you know that that is when i
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started to look at some of these whistleblowers you know like hmm is this guy legit who do you look at
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of them and you know some of the guys like i think the guy that that jesse interviewed the um
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the base and they were like brought through all these uh these like compartments and they finally
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got to this area where there was this like crazy thing he explains this randy randy randy randy i think
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people like them you know it's it's uh people that like aren't selling anything and that seem to be
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disconnected from it they seem to be the most credible and they're like kind of like one-off
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interesting things but you know when you have like i i don't know about the jake barber stuff
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i don't know if i can if i buy that you know it's uh it's just like if they're if they were going to
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the internet and social media into it it's like jesus christ man like how are we ever gonna get to the
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some live stream where he said yeah and that's he's all over twitter yeah like like that's he's
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and blah blah blah is this the wall street journal thing that like talks about lou elizondo because i saw
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something on twitter this morning about like some sort of wall street journal article oh yeah no
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about how like uh the 1967 malmstrom air force base incident was just like a large emp device that was
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1969 condon committee and then in the 1960s you have things like air force regulation 200-2 which
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people like to to do studies on near-death experiences and like he's just spending a ton
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of money trying to understand this crazy stuff that's like it's like almost stuff that's impossible
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to like measure and it's like sci-fi woo-woo stuff that he's interested in and he's like one of the
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that released from the osap program like bass was seriously studying the the tick-tock scene by
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david fravor as like a human-made creation and so forth you see some of those this this all started
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with like a pretty recent reddit whistleblower a guy who came forward on reddit talking about how
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medical metaphysical side paranormal stuff yeah like he's like skinwalker ranch and werewolves and stuff man
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it's so crazy see that stuff's tough for me because i like to just stick to military agencies
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intelligence agencies right do we laboratories contractors all that i like to look at stuff you
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that's what i like about your stuff is that you you like are going to the crazy extent to like
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and uh you know like it's hard it's hard to find this stuff bro yeah the stuff that you're like that
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that the stuff will be too boring but i need to say it because specifically for jonathan like
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can get into and you know people these people that are like posting every day on every social media
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platform and i'm trying to just talk about like the news of the day you kind of get bogged down you
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kind of like lose your footing in what you're really trying to in like the real investigations that
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it might take you like months to make yeah that's why somebody uh recently called me like a a podcaster
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and i'd say no like i i fancy myself as like an old school ufo investigator like i i want to do the
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conclusions like it's i make these projects very selfishly for myself sometimes because a lot of the time
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hollywood writer that like made up a bunch oh yeah bill burns because the reason i'm curious about
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that is is there was um a bunch of stuff in that book about like velcro and kevlar and all these like
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corso makes in his work is like um integrated circuitry and transistors and stuff he makes the claim
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that a lot of these stuff weren't copied like the technology wasn't basically seeded from craft but
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variation of something like the transistor integrated circuit allowed for further advancements of our
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it but he was skeptical that stuff like transistors were taken from the roswell craft when transistors and
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so you think that that thing was a reproduction vehicle no no no so like i i think that humans let's say
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pulling like a more advanced transistor type piece of technology off the roswell crash may have allowed
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source right so more so just like um copy and not copying somebody else's homework but taking influence
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like we can't there's a lot of rebuttals for most of that technology created i mean even passive night vision
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like he's trying to sell this story to a huge world because there's massive differences in the
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uh manuscript versus the book the book talks the first chapter about corso sitting like isaac newton
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under a tree like thinking about the roswell crash basically placing himself there no the manuscript is
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actually from corso and not with added fluff like in the book in the book there's one like senior
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wound with like corso acts so tough to do that and that's not in the manuscript that's fluff nonsense
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this was an event that okie shannon if you've heard of okie shannon he was director of like special
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alexander including a massive mention of a i think it says like huge engineering project under bobby
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that every single ufo sighting you've ever cracked sounds like sean kirkpatrick so this guy in 1989 is
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it is they talk all about like it's it's called the octopus murder you know what i can't believe i
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talk it basically explains how like all of these things are connected with wackenhut the cia and all
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of these different scandals that have ever happened from like watergate to like iran contra and all this
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department of energy uh i mentioned the department of energy special response teams that are like
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across the water with the water in the background yeah go fast yeah and he's like whoa are you seeing
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parallax of the water underneath it to make it looks like it's it looks like it's going 10 times faster
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constellation report is can you like summarize okay so immaculate constellation according to
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captured by indo-patcom to saucer giant saucers resting in clouds almost like camouflaging itself
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and it's just two elevation circles that has a small illusion of of being like a saucer hanging
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debunked within like an hour and you know props to props to the people who who debunked that but i just
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yeah the jellyfish looks like a cluster of balloons gosh yeah it's it's so hard to tell with
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that giant freaking ship the size of like 15 football fields pulling up right next to him
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that's bizarre and there was also a radar guy apparently that like corroborated all of it because
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is it's like tk something but that's another really intriguing story that was also captured on radar
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unidentified phenomena or something like that it came out in 2022 2021 2022 but he also talks
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about some of like the physics and experience g-forces by craft in in that sighting in the graham
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wonder about is like how much how many like going to this underwater neuro thing like you never hear
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convenient yeah but what about the radar that like they have all kinds of i'm sure they have all kinds
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and between the us russia and china it is just like the oceans are littered with submarine high
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and there's a lot of of so in project blue book there's a great documents like the unexplained of
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them are of course maritime and uh uso sightings and some of these are like tic tacs hovering above
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like a huge saucer type craft that passed very fast under the destroyer and knocked out the power
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talked about like uh they've mentioned aircraft carrier sized usos and this is a guy playing i'm not
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got to be some you know i know nasa is a very public facing uh organization but like you would imagine
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there i can't recall them off the top of my head but there are stories of like lunar or apollo
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it seems like nasa is almost disconnected nasa feels a little bit to me like it's a little bit
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technology i i think at least to me it seems like a lot of the cutting-edge technology and actual craft
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jason georgiani was telling me a story of a guy who i think he worked at nasa but was like shown
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something um and then he got like hit on his bike he got killed like riding his bike like after that
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was like shown photo oh this was this has something to do with the moon he was shown something on the
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a joke like doesn't look like he biked enough because he was a little bit on the portly side
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was privy to some of these images and was like gobsmacked and so excited for the upcoming news
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to show structures he saw it he's like oh my god this is going to be released and it never got
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lower thorough orbit since like 1972 right why that's on that unless we have arv that are traversing
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our solar system which is possible because you know like gary mckinnon right he's the nasa he's the
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databases and found like a non-terrestrial officers list and uh i can't remember the ship but he he saw an
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image of like a huge saucer shaped i'm sorry cigar shaped craft in front of one of our jovian planets
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so who you know there's there's the whole secret space program stuff that ssp with like cory goode
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because uh i know it's uh it's frowned upon to to question the moon land yeah um but like there's a
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lot of really big questions that like need answers about the moon landing like like how did they how do
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in that data is because they accidentally overwrote their hard drives like they used those hard drives
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then they to rewrite stuff and they accidentally like erased it or whatever so so now we have none of
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that technology that seems like a i forgot my homework type statement as a kid yeah it is and it's
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like it's also the only it's also the only technological feat in any sort of uh industry
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or any sort of technology that hasn't event advanced or like exponentially grown since it was first
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i asked about that van allen radiation belt stuff and like you know how is it is it really that toxic or
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anyone give me a reasonable explanation as to why what is how we can get through that and like why
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because apparently like the russians sent like a dog through the van allen radiation belt and it died
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like a day after the claim there is that the van allen radiation belt like destroy either keeps either
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toxic like a leg according to um this guy we had in here uh bart sybrell who has all these documentaries
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like we we would have been going to the moon you know ever since then but yeah but we have it and we
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like june of next year remember we were supposed to go to mars in 2025 and even back in the the 60s and
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70s out of the rand corporation and stuff there were all sorts of plans for lunar bases and like lunar
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underground on the moon like yeah maglev trains and none of this ever transpired it it is curious
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this i think so we're allegedly like back in the i forget which year it was but i get there's a photo
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of the first probe that got like really close to saturn took a photo of the uh the ring around
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like some sort of weird looking vehicle that was like whoa parked inside of the ring of saturn i i think
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wow yeah it's just interesting somebody like her who's so smart right and she's uh you know
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she's she's a very reasonable rational rational uh smart human being also like believes in all this
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stuff like you know taking all this stuff from the nazis and and uh creating a breakaway civilization
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stuff it's like a it's a weird thing for someone like her to be interested in but like you know
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had like a series of 20 like 25 interviews over the years on dark journalist and i watched every
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research yeah oh she is like over 20 everything from like the ufo economy 1.0 to 3.0 to so many
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uh like elon's doge uh when she was explaining like like elon created doge to find all this waste fraud
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and abuse right but he's getting he's taking uh auditing like the irs social security the hhs
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yeah like and and her what she was saying was that elon's deliberately trying to like get all of
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it's everything it's basically payment social media texting like it's all it all is all funneled
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integrate it with the ai is and working with palantir who just got like a like an 800 million
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something like that no and he was also uh this recent uh falling out with him and trump oh my
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pentagon is missing and the trillions of dollars like why didn't he go look for that because those
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think there are numerous vehicles in which to fund these programs like we talked about earlier
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katherine austin fits his dream yeah yeah for sure it would be but like again it's refreshing to
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see somebody like her looking at it from the looking at it through the lens of accounting yeah
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you know and it needs to be done because especially for the subject of like deep underground military
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bases back in the 60s and 70s the us army corps of engineer like we talked about published a ton of
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underground bases and these bunkers that people are building like if they're if there's some sort
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of like catastrophe and that's the main idea of people that build their own bunkers is like how
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how are you going to power it once you run out of fuel like like i don't do they have some sort of
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like crazy special energy they could also self-contained nuclear reactors but i mean if that ever happened
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government site under denver oh yeah i'm not going in there there's mount weather like we're not going in
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right in california naval air weapons center china lake really creepy place and places like yuma
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imagine they they have to have some sort of setup on the moon like some sort of base oh agree if we
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hard to believe that that we haven't set up something there to like at least back up the data of humanity
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you know because if if there is some sort of like crazy catastrophe that wipes out most of civilization
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it's going to be like it's going to wipe out our technology and the the data that we have and you
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if we've done it here which i believe we have i i think it's definitely possible on a place like our moon
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yeah especially if we have stuff like the tr3b for logistics and a right to transport some stuff from what
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massive trucks able to zip together and fly off right so that sounds like a perfect perfectly suitable
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construction materials supplies logistics to a place like the moon if you want to have a
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by saying i didn't know if you're keeping it secret oh no problem i just don't like when uh uh marines
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but he did the full mr samuel like full name so yeah but thank you brother for having me this has been
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like coming up people should look forward to yeah absolutely so uh whenever one project's done i'm
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knowledge on like the wilson davis notes and stuff but in between my videos always expect another one in
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up a independent review board appointed by the president confirmed by the senate of like civilian
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ohio guy right right patterson and then there's even some uh rumors of like the eminent domain
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