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the creature i was like yeah that video statement came from us like we filmed that because we have

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we we meet covertly every time we go to virginia says you might want to go talk to this individual

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it's like we're trying to track down the video that's like the holy grail right

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so we hear the dr italo this is like a year ago maybe a little over a year ago

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we hear the doctor well god it might have been a year and a half ago at this point

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time flies and we hear the dr italo who's a neurosurgeon at regional hospital had seen the

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video so we're like going after this guy with everything we've got as we do with with witnesses

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and and it makes sense because we have all this testimony leading up to regional hospital then we've

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got a gap at regional hospital we know the creature ended up alive at regional hospital because of all

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alive we also had testimony from military ex who drove a creature or two creatures definitely one

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came in and we could talk about the foyer requests for the flight logs then we put in but that's another

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left and they went to regional hospital got it so so we heard about this dr italo character

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as having seen the video so we went after him marco marco layal my partner boots on the ground he was

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like he's very good very persistent he's like me we're both incredibly tenacious i mean we're like

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the squeaky wheel and we ultimately get a meeting with him and marco puts it on zoom video zoom call

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evidently saw the video so we hang up the call and i'm thinking okay i need to go back to

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virginia i need to dig deep on this one which we did later multiple times and um uh marco sits down

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this to the grave right if i survive this story then he gets prostate cancer meanwhile we're like

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in the bathtub like he gave us a little bit and then we'd grab him and he was like sometimes he would

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so we went back to brazil in january of last year and with a film crew because i was like year ago now

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and we had some additional people we're going after but two forensic pathologists one who founded

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creature that inadvertently got into his blood and he died like really quickly and we talked to the

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doctor that worked on him while he was still alive then we talked to the you know autopsy dr armando

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this is all happening but while we're doing all this in the back of my mind i'm in virginia i'm going

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in virginia a january of 2025 and i said hey you know we've been really trying to get a hold of this

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guy and i'm sorry if i'm going off on a tangent but this is important background we've really been

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tomorrow at 10 a.m and that was at regional so we don't know exactly like okay we're gonna go we're

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excited but we don't know exactly what is going to reveal to us and i don't even think quite honestly

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he did so we go with the team the next morning he meets us at the back the back entrance sneaks us

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through maternity ward we go through these corridors boom down these hallways we're filming rolling camera

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we get to the icu he goes gear up okay i had to put everything on to go just to go into the icu right

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supposed to be there we'd have any permits he snuck us in he's like i think i just lost my job

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then we ended up leaving the all of us together with the camera crew leaving the hospital i'm just

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bomb on us and i was we were all were like if you go if you look at the film at the end when the camera's

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panning across when we arrive in the cafe and you see the sound guy you see the translator you see

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marco layout my partner he's like he's trying to process we all were like this guy just dropped an

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those who say they've seen a spacecraft we really saw it it's not easy to be here on camera talking about

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this they ask and ask and it feels like we are lying having to insist i have sworn i saw it and i did

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there are others but all the doctors that we know of involved with the case and listen to what i say

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working he's been a doctor for 45 years wow so he was there at that event then we had dr armando who

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like when meanwhile i'm having a hard time these guys are going on documentaries that are like oh we

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investigation a congressional investigation and we filed foyer requests about flight logs came back from

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know where the debris was talking and blah blah blah blah and it's like we need that but i need help

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now we've got the chief of police we've got two forensic pathologists we've got the head neurosurgeon

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you show me one case in the history of the phenomenon where we have extremely credible

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that video out we had a screening just a couple weeks ago with the mayor oh a whole room's packed i got

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and uh witnesses and they said uh when we saw that video of you like when we saw that video of you

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i'm like this happened yeah my god this stuff happened and i think there's more now we found

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we have a couple names of people that were at humanitas hospital and they're not quite ready to

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come forward yet but but we'll see what happens the 30th anniversary is is uh january 20th

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make sure to let them know we sent you bon appetit let's eat with hexclad's revolutionary cookware

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united states this happened in brazil right now it involved the us and we didn't learn that till late

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to this individual and they said because we can yeah yeah because we can yeah they have their ways

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flight logs and locations and tail numbers and finally one day after we were going back and forth

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colonel i'm retired blah blah blah he goes but i'm telling you right now if we can get those tail

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numbers because we had a photograph but the tail numbers were kind of blurred oh really yeah we had

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the film because we were we were doing background on it but anyway he made the suggestion he goes put

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hey how can i help i really want to help with this case i said hey we need to organize a foyer request

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so we filed a foyer in 2022 and we said we want all the flight logs of united states air force

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planes because we got word from the i don't know you call the flight control officer someone who

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job steve that's the plane and we're trying to blow that up bigger so we were trying to get the tail

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numbers we were trying to get you know match the area to see if that was campinas in 1996 like we're

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trying to do all this research the person whose finger it is is a brazilian person and we've been

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contacted anonymously but i i can we couldn't reach him sometimes people would say they have more

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if they were lying whatever but anyway so we filed this foyer request in 2022 and we just had we wanted

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request is denied we can neither confirm nor deny those records and then you know according to the

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that that's what oh so when we interviewed the former chief of police and by the way getting to him was

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he apparently well we went after now we went after him because of a photograph

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but we didn't know that he too was a first-hand witness we were going after him for years and he was

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that sees aliens you know nobody wants that in their life it's not a career enhancing move but we've

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been going after him for a while we thought we're going to get him in the first cut of moment of contact

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and um again bar so in the bathtub and then ultimately and he was like okay we'll come to my house

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oh no don't come to my house and we had his address we'd go to his house there wasn't anybody there

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we kept doing this for year after year after year and then finally last year i think it was january of

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last year we were going to his house pedro agui aguiar aguiar and i talked to him via zoom calls in

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the past years ago he uh and he did not deny having that photograph at the time um we were going to his

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house and i think it was like maybe five o'clock in the evening and we were on our way to go to

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on our team could have been me i don't know and we stopped at this little pizzeria and uh the the

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individual that ran it spoke a little english and he was like you know we were clearly foreigners

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coming in with all this gear and stuff and he's like oh sit down and i'll make you pizzas and we make uh

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and everyone's like we got to go we got to go meet pedro and pedro doesn't like we're just going to

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doorstep him right we're just going to show up and uh and i was like you know what let's sit down let's

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have a pizza with this guy so we all so he makes us his fresh pizza and we take a completely unannounced

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like one hour one and a half hour pause at this restaurant and just had a lovely dinner we had a glass

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of wine we hung out with the owner it was beautiful it was really fun but it put us in later than we

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would then we would have then we should have been but it just happened that way so then we drive

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probably 7 30 7 45 something like this i'm going to guess and we show up at sol and film we show up at

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want to say seven o'clock okay okay we were in the area when we stopped for pizza okay i see we

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weren't even going to stop for pizza i think it was like a bathroom break something anyway we ended up

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having pizza it was like a 90 minute stop we show up at his house he had just arrived 10 minutes earlier

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so had we come earlier we would have missed him all together absolutely perfect yeah so

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you come in you know come on in and invites us in and i think one of us had a mic on us just so we

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things out a little bit here so we start talking and talking to him and we're just like you know

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earlier and we'd also talked to him over the phone in 2021 when we were shooting the first version of

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moment of contact and uh um i think i would eventually just said hey uh would you mind if we

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telling him like you shut your mouth or are you going to reveal all or do we have this photograph

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i don't know i don't know but she's looking at him and we just kept talking you know and then he

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coming out it's coming out dude and we ask him on camera like why are you coming out now he goes

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perfectly with every other tidbit of testimony that we've ever heard wow all the activity the

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like the 90s were pretty radical man we had some crazy shit go down rua oh yeah we had ruin 94 then

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we had virginia in 96 we had we had the massive flyover phoenix lights in 97 march wasn't there

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he went to he said we went to full defcom two i think it was it was one or two it was when you have

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itself and it's this massive and it was like they scrambled military jets to go after and we went to

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a certain i didn't know what defcom meant right but he was like we went to defcom oh here we go defcom 2

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americans did clinton find out don't know but if we did go to defcom 2 and that guy was telling me the

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truth at luke air force base then we went to defcom 2 and clinton i guess the president of the united

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they were like well had we not looked up we wouldn't have even known it was there i mean

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it just was so silently right over our heads and we watched it for several minutes we stopped our

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jaws on the ground like and they just floated right over and we were all just like

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minutes watching this thing float right over them and these hospice workers like they just said we went

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slash danny jones and use the code danny jones please support our show and tell them we sent you

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you know sexual whatever okay my point is at least do some deep digging or perhaps we lobby together

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grush but what about this what about we lobby the executive branch and provide some level of immunity so

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right it's the people how about we create a platform that enables them to give the specific details

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to the public to the world right that's what we should be focused on hey let's call their bluff

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i think you're full of fair enough all right what do we got to do mr president you want

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so profound why wouldn't we follow that up why wouldn't we dedicate some resources to those

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allegations why wouldn't we find the old icig thomas monheim here's my thing pin him up against

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the crazy hypothetical so we should do that here's a crazy hypothetical yeah james i saw saucers in

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hangers and we have uh 18 captured alien bodies that uh are in our custody in florida new mexico

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believe it okay let's just say that we did have recovered craft of non-human origin right and we've

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fly rings around any we've got our leading military jets these things fly make a mockery out of them and

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light years than anything we got let's just say that's real and let's say we we recovered that

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technology now i'm not saying we've successfully reverse engineered it i have no idea okay but if they

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admission that we have it and we share the bodies the biologics do you see what i'm saying totally

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government had definitive proof that we're not alone would you like to know right and everyone goes

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there and then we go up to this big door just like a bank vault kind of thing opens up the entire

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gonna treat them like people and um we go down this hallway all these cubicles and stuff go down the

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aren't going away we're having these hearings like you know you guys are going to come to the

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going to be in the movie i did like i met him with people that i trust but hey man we're all fallible

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we're humans and we're dealing with some pretty crazy these days yeah and they're like i i know this

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you can disagree politically that's fine i'm really good friends with people on both sides of the fence we

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don't care they know well like how i might feel or how they feel we're friends right that's the way

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babies floating in alpha centauri what cool dude all right great yeah you know we never went to the moon

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okay yeah right you know i'm just saying like we're cool right you know right right i'm good with it

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you know we should we get aliens i don't know what crashed in virginia brazil in 1996 i'd love to know

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okay to say we don't know where it's from i think it's okay because i don't know i'd like to know oh

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which i probably shouldn't mention his name you'll probably figure it out probably shouldn't but we

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were you know we we we we talked briefly at the beginning of the screening and then there was a

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these guys are from the agency and and uh oh little side story so we're like the premiere yeah yeah

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yeah so we're like at the premiere and and leslie's hanging out with these dudes in suits and i

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is these guys are from the agency and i was like oh cool really nice to meet you guys and we're like

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talking i was like yeah i'm gonna be cool i'm gonna be nice to everybody like yeah we you know what

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i'm doing so we start talking and then i go yeah man because i i did this film about this alleged ufo

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crash in front of jane to brazil and the guy goes oh no oh we we know all about it we've been following

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you for we knew your browser history from this morning brother for years i was just like i got

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and uh we start chopping it up excuse me and um i said uh i said you know i've heard that there are

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no no you'll you'll you'll you'll be fine we'll be fine so i was like well and it was like a crowbar

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away over where we were talking to you staring at you staring at me she was like like she knew

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to interrupt but she was she i looked at her for like that we communicated telepathically like bam

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right because it's like origins and intent right we want another origins and intent their origins could

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compelling is that on other all the other goldilocks planets that we know of yeah the the pressure is

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because we are one of two million catalog species on earth us right there's 20 different species of

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apes of hominids 20 different hominids out of the 20 we are the only one that has figured out tech

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we're smart enough to figure out technology to get off the planet but we are one of over 2 million species

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on this earth so we us are super rare just on this planet and if you extrapolate that out to other

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i was just like you know we have a little evidence on that we have the ufo that was captured and that

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encounter and if the other people that we have their names if we had that encounter and we got it i

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tell me more yeah you know i'm saying because we owe it to ourselves it's like it's so easy to sit on

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contact with the creature now we have five maybe six let's see we have chief of police pedro aguriar

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we have military x i know all of his credentials i know his full name who drove it and saw it then we

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have katya then we have liliani her sister valkyria that's five and now we have the neurosurgeon that's

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it was funny actually because we sat down with him i think we had to go up to brazilia at one point but uh

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he uh we had the interview and i didn't ask him about virginia but we we turned the cameras off we

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turned the audio off and marco and i came up to him and he was getting ready to leave and we were

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makes you go i think we got something here yeah it's you know what i mean it's very but i mean i

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we're talking about socorro new mexico 1964 close encounter of the third kind my point is this it's

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josh gates was with me when it happened with with travis he just was like we were like hello you're

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you okay there buddy like hello we were interviewing a woman emma something i have it on tape and all of

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when we get to the crash site we go out in moment of contact right right new new revelations uh

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carlos has this moment where well first of all we couldn't find the damn crash site and that was

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when he finally we finally found the impact site there was a moment it's very brief and i don't

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are we are we dealing with one phenomenon or are we dealing with like a whole array of phenomena

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we're dealing with interplanetary interdimensional time travelers i mean look out there into the night

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billions and billions of possibilities so i don't know maybe we're dealing with all the above maybe

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but maybe we get periodic visitation from outside maybe interplanetary maybe interdimensional maybe

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have at it i'll provide a platform earlier we got to say but like you know what i liked about

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weeks ago we were getting statements for this event we're putting on the national press club because

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that happened we fought like hell we had members of congress reaching out to the consulate in rio

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for the application for the visa application we hired an immigration lawyer like everything we did

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everything we were supposed to do absolutely correctly i'm telling you and seven got denied six seven bunch

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and uh so i was of the witnesses yes of the witness the first-hand witnesses we were going to fly

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i'm to dc this is all happening we're having the event anyway so i flew i flew to dc sorry i flew to

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official setting flags podium looks amazing and in the process of doing that we were talking to katia

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about 150 feet away and liliani realizes shit we left katya behind and katya's locked eyes on this

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search and rescue operation because that's one distinction that we made that you might have noticed

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because we met with and i shot from behind the family right well yeah from the family behind well

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to recover that guy that we just saw that's where you do it so it makes absolute sense because i kept

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saying to the family how do you know how do you know this thing was looking for we talk about how you

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we went to his house because all other options people would criticize me for that one because they go

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development on that so when we got to his house and everything was happening really quickly i jumped

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out of the car and i was like we're gonna eric l i'm just dying to meet you were hot to try

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these guys all deserve tremendous credit because we're following in their footsteps with this we

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so we got to his house and i'm excited like because i'm like holy we might meet the

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to have him walk up because initially he was going to show me where he lived and we were on our own

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going to start flying my translators never once told me that's what was happening which is i had we

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i probably would have just i don't know maybe i would have left but we got more information he

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ultimately admits i am eric lopes but when we first walked up he's like if you're here to talk about the

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officer it's like well we didn't ask you that but now that you mention it you know what i mean like

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freaked out was we had just met with uh military x and then we were about to and then we doorstepped

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eric lopes and then we were about to have a meeting with another individual that allegedly had footage

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people that we just met with or that we're about to meet with now whether eric lopes got a call or not

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that we just met with military x and they said oh there's a there's an american film crew uh poking

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freaking this is after he filmed this is right after we filmed with him yeah and then the individual

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that we were going to meet with and allegedly had footage he gets summoned at to the base

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we contact eric lopes wife after the encounter where he threatened to shoot us and i might have apologized

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gonna happen so then there was a a security guard that we're friends with and he's in the circle of

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that he did have a gun we suspected he did you know i mean he's military please do you think he's

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i never give up because look at what we've done in the last 16 whatever years right marco and i

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marco was on this before i was at least 10 years so and we got the 30th anniversary

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we have the new mayor mayor vers is no longer the mayor who we interviewed in the first doc

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but we have the new mayor now and i met with him twice once in his office it just so happens that

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the security detail for the current mayor that we met with just a couple weeks ago

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was a live creature there as well definitely one dead and and very likely another one alive maybe we got

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two alive ones maybe we got more maybe we got three i don't know but uh the military sorry the chief of

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but where did he say he saw he says he's i don't know we talked to him i guess he saw it was that i

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okay out of the blue at the time we didn't have a name for it i always do kind of broad strokes on

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belgium wave you know we just all right that sounds good and we all kind of and my partner british guy very

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of us know about don schmidt and kevin randall we know about roswell today is because of the research

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with school functions we do you know i don't start talking about this case to people because they're

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for that whole time we're trying to pin him down kept going after him kept going after him kept going

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after him that's the what we do man we don't give up we get a lead and we go we go sometimes we go

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for years right so anyway hold that thought i gotta take a pee real quick all right go we'll come

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when did uh was he getting photographs of of like discs or like what do you know i mean do we have

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any photographs that he took that we have no it all got taken okay oh benowitz was the target of a

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yeah they found you know they figured out that what he didn't know was that the stuff that we were

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saying we are an alien civilization our planet ran out of water we are on our way to your to

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planet earth right now and we will be there in a couple years whatever we're gonna suck your well drive

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They knew that the Soviets had infiltrated MUFON because they wanted to figure out what we had.

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And it was like, how do we deal with this problem?

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They exhibit a technology that's light years advanced for anything we've got, particularly back then.

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And we don't know who it is and where they come from and what they want.

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And we have more declassified documents exposing this stuff than any other time.

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That's when we had MKUltra.

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We went to the moon.

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We weren't lying about that, though.

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My next-door neighbor, we were best friends.

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He was absolutely convinced we went to the moon.

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And we would have these spirited debates on it.

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We didn't go.

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So it makes perfectly good sense that we would lie about it and stage this huge hoax

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to let the Russians know, hey, we're the king of...

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He goes, James, if we got off just a microscopic...

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He goes, we would either hit the moon or we'd ricochet off and be on outer space.

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I didn't really pay attention or have time to absorb like what we were actually doing.

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They were like, we're on the surface of the moon.

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We haven't slept.

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We can't get to sleep.

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We're not going to go to sleep.

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We're putting our suits on, told NASA, put their suits on and they went to the surface of the moon.

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It leaked out later because he was like, we're going to tell them I'm doing ESP, ESP, you know, connected.

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And if, you know, but again, I'm not here to debate whether we went to the moon or not.

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I'm just saying that I'm not sold that we didn't.

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I'm not sold that we fully did because there are some discrepancies and some things that have been pointed out to me that does make me scratch my head.

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We still have the crate, you know, the machine is still on the surface.

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Well, we didn't.

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I'm not convinced we went and I'm not convinced we didn't.

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And he goes, you know, James, we had these hostile blod cameras, no viewfinder, big gardening gloves on.

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That's what I would say out of, I wouldn't say that we absolutely didn't go, but I would very confidently say that that footage was cooked up and sketchy.

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Like imagine, and Steve, find the video on YouTube of the lunar module leaving the first surface of the moon again, the one that we pulled up with Duncan.

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Imagine that we had never gone to the moon.

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You know, and we're 60, 70 feet down in a cave.

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So we locked arms.

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We go down there.

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We went down real, did we planned it out for a long time?

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We acclimated going back up again.

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When I got down to the bottom, wherever we were, I looked up at how far away the surface

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And we planned it all out.

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We knew where we needed to stop and breathe and stop and breathe and slowly and incrementally.

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We asked six other astronauts to swear on the Bible.

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But we did go to the moon.

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You bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.

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So, you bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.

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with some BBC TV and he goes, yeah, we were on the way to the moon.

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We were about to see if you could find it.

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And Jan Rooney, his wife, they're all, oh, Sonny, we were interested in UFOs.

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They're like, yeah, we're good friends.

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And we met for the first time at a restaurant called The Left Bank in Larkspur.

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But so they said, we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin.

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We get down to Monte Carlo.

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And we're sitting down in a little cafe in the lobby.

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We're having like a croissant and a coffee.

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and we got invited on Larry King.

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And I found out the day of we're inside the studio, the green room.

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We were friends.

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We were together.

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We were there together.

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And I was like, we're going to go on live TV.

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We used to have lunch together.

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They eliminated all these things, and they didn't want to say, hey, man, we're being followed by a UFO because they were worried that the mission would be scrapped.

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Yes, we're flying out for this thing.

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These are witnesses that we want to have this event.

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to see what I go through, what we go through, what our team goes through

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So we worked in conjunction with people, our contacts there.

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And we got an official spot.

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And we filmed, I don't know, 10 or 12 really nice, you know, 90-second,