I'm revealing for the first time a lot of things that even my closest working colleagues do not know.
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Do you know who that is?
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You could do an episode on him.
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Because he was one of these guys, McCullough, who would, you know, on his off time, do all these like, strange experiments with radio frequencies and that kind of stuff.
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I mean, they were just like flocking to this place, basically giving him money to do research.
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Do you think Hal Puthoff was aware of Puharich's kind of foundation that he set with remote viewing?
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So who is he recruiting to do these experiments and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
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So who is he recruiting to do these experiments, and what sort of experiments is he running at the Roundtable Foundation?
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And it was his belief that that could sort of block out anything from the outside, and it would really help the psychic focus and be able to do what they could do.
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Or do you think it was some front?
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And the other thing too, was again, it was this copper, this thing with copper, where they would also say, okay, what you need to do is you need to get the, this is really crazy.
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And they would do that.
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And a lot of the film for me was like, okay, what, what do we know?
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Like, so yours is the implication of this story that this company had something to do with the assassination of JFK or like, were these men in tweed suits raiding the office, the CIA?
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And were they, they thinking that intellectron had something to do with this or?
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This is when he starts the hearing experiments where basically he claims that deaf people would come into the office and they would do research on them.
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And then this weird incident where they seem to make a big deal about telling him about the assassination at that exact time, that exact year, they're researching ways to, to be able to send messages to someone's mind to do something specific, Manchurian candidate, et cetera, et cetera.
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Do you realize the fantastic possibilities if from the outside we could modify the inside?
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And he was able to do it.
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Cause the second you do think about it, you get into reality being far weirder than we could ever imagine.
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Why wouldn't you try to do that to a human being?
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So let's do this book is insane.
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What do you call it?
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And you can clearly see they're able to do it.
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Do you know what frequency?
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It has a lot to do with sine waves.
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The Genesis of it was in 1947. We came in contact with an alien species and in 1960, they started a, a project. It was called project preserve destiny. And, um, it was designed to genetically manage fetuses, human fetuses, so that they would have the heightened ability to do this particular thing that I was going to school for.
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Yeah. Do you think that it was kind of a development from, um, you know, what you were looking into with Puhar?
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That's why I, that's why I reached out because again, like for me, a lot of this was, okay, I have all this information. I'm not a, you know, I'm not a, a physicist. I'm not a, most of this stuff, but I'd have to imagine it's connected because it, um, Puharic, the way this machine worked as well, had something to do with specific sine waves. Very, very specific.
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But, um, again, this was supposed to be this breakthrough, you know, medical device where, where people who are deaf can, can hear, you know, the, the, think about what we could do with this.
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And he gets to Israel. He discovers Uri Geller. I mean, I think a lot of people know this story, but you know, Geller was, was allegedly this very, uh, amazing psychic guy who could bend, bend spoons with his mind and read people's minds and do all sorts of things like that. He could like, uh, hover his hand over a watch and the, and it would, uh, the hands would move and, and all these kinds of things. And so.
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Do you believe he could actually do those things or do you think that was stage magic or.
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And he did do it, but, um, he, so Buharic, you know, again, the story goes, Buharic was kind of smitten with, with Geller and oh my God, this guy's, you know, an amazing psychic.
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which isn't you know is an is an army base and i read that and you know again what what do you make
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i'm still thinking okay what what was really going on there you know fascinating man what what do you
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this idea of nine extraterrestrial beings or what do you think that is is he is he calling in something
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come through and i do think again like i mentioned earlier kind of having to accept some of these
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darker parts of the story like i do think uh to some extent like he was implanting this idea
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was like the only uh you know frequency that could do that you know they went on to use that frequency with like
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at intellectron they're doing a lot of that same stuff i do firmly believe that that geller was some sort of
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with these kinds of experiments you need to you know do it on a real person or else you're never going to
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ability and their power they said well we're going to do something that will make you you know never
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et ufo thing but it's always like why why do this you know why why was he doing this yeah uh you know
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et framework and do these kind of mind manipulation experiments around that yeah and see you know
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beings walking toward him saying do not fear do not fear and then he gets a hypnotic regression and he
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but there's this guy that she knew she introduces him to buharic uh they do a bunch of experiments yeah
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couple stories in buharic's life that you know do seem like legitimate sort of extraordinary
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say you know what do you think is going to happen do you think it's going to show up and everyone said
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yeah but do you think that had anything to do with the seance because i think of the seance with you
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know the original channeling of the nine it was 52. do you know what month uh it was it was um
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every every time i want to get away from like the occult having to do with ufos it's like it's just so
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obviously it does have everything to do and there's there's even a group called the borderland society
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get him to join and he he didn't want anything to do with it and that kind of thing well werner von
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possession of but basically they would do these kind of round table-esque uh channelings where like
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they would do these sessions and gene roddenberry went up a lot and he makes mention on this one tape
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federation yeah and so do you think there's something like more real going on that in in
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not weird necessarily but also you know why would you do that and then save the cassette tapes decades
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know but i would assume like you can't do it a hundred percent of the time maybe you can do it
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spontaneously like do something psychic like they would they would pick up a spoon it would bend
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want to know what's going on with myself you know they weren't trying to like you know do anything more
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do you think that the nine coming through these different experiencers abductees people who've seen
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these people or do you think that these were sort of synthetically implanted or kind of manipulated by
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year old and then do an experiment with them and i think what was happening was like if you go to a
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whatever star wars this and that and you say hey you know do you want to be a part of an experiment
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do you think that this council of nine were real you know extraterrestrial or non-human beings
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communicating through these space kids or do you think the nine was being implanted and they were testing
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some you know i mean clearly they did have some abilities to do that the the the evidence would point to the
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seem super open-ended and they just seem to connect with the nine how do you sort of make sense of that
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i'm i'm i'm good you know and i so i think that there was a lot of pressure on him to do some of this
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negative stuff that he may have otherwise not wanted to do and i think that's like a big part of the film
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you know it's not true and i think that i hope to get that across in the film and i think we do because
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like a big part of that that research i don't think he wanted to do i think he he in a way was forced to
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do it you know yeah and whatever this kind of amorphous blob that is the ufo legacy program that
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want to do any and not to ruin the end of the film but he basically like admits that that he basically
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do what i did essentially is what he he his message is if you look at the zimbardo prison experiments at
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these trips but they would literally have a session right with the nine and they would do group sessions
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doing whatever he needs to do there yeah it's using the stigma of the science kind of in your favor as
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the great pyramid in the in the same time and do like all sorts of experiments there really and he
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like it's almost like okay i gotta i i have to you know do my job for the cia and on my off time i i can
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go in the pyramid and and do do some cool stuff i'm interested in that's just kind of what it seems because
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like well what does that have to do with you know mk ultra so i just think like and again this goes to like his death in the mystery book
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intelligence agencies and going to do these things but kind of using that time to do other things he wanted and maybe that was he
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on him on him yeah i mean if again if this were to be believed which i quite frankly do believe
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of things i think he he wasn't necessarily wanting to to do but um so that happened where he refused
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is was uh found dead grinberg disappeared so again what do you say it's all coincidence and you move on or
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could possibly do and i couldn't i couldn't find it um so that was weird that's super yeah so it just
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you know never reach out to me again i want nothing to do with this so what did they say i mean that's
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them and saying hey i'm i'm you know trying to do like a level-headed you know portrayal of buharic
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buharic in the 50s um at the round table doing everything they were doing there whoa yeah so do
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you did you ever ask him point blank hey jack like was any of your stuff do you think it was seeded by
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mind because he had something to do with um i think it was the army's psychological warfare department
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and spending the day with him and it's very brief unfortunate actually maybe we could do this together
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and so if he could do that hopefully he could get us this uh you know this transcript that's crazy so he
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outside the overton window like it is today yeah and so yeah anyway how would you speculate on do
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been occurring and and and what what what do you do with that because something i learned which was
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be in in order to do channeling and so he could basically just like i could go like this to you and
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so was this instance with jaime and the finger something to do with that what was it not i don't
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you're in this hypnotic state and can you follow that tone where is it bringing you and what do you hear
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research there that had to do with something that wasn't just you know a mind control thing because
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works and so him and puharic were um exchanging a lot of letters about like you know do you have
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and and tons of them and hundreds of hours so like you just all you can do is piece together
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well what did the space kids think do they think that they were genuinely tapping into nine you know
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non-human entities or extraterrestrials or do they think that they were tapping into like some dude on the
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to accept that the negative path may maybe you know the reality and i don't i mean i would probably do
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she's the most elusive person in this whole ufo history where i mean so basically what i do know is
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had nothing to do with like intelligent or maybe it did but it had nothing to do with intelligence or
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what do i know maybe she was but that kind of firmly places her in that circle because there's a lot of
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around yeah yeah and then and then but and she was somehow like do you know what role she had in the
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anyways he i i was like hey i'm trying to do this valerie thing about he was just like yeah no
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what's going on what do you think do you have it well so for first of all a little context for the
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so what what do you do you speculate as to what valerie well yeah i have a couple of things but
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says in the video checks out to what we definitely know nope not her not one person and even this do
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and you know do you do you accept this position and and then she she the guy parks and she gets out or
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him and what do you have and we should we should talk and and that kind of thing this one guy weirdly
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her yes and you're gonna try to interview yes that's amazing yeah well i hope you do man that would be
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yeah we're going to do kind of like this uh release now with um age of disclosure okay we're going to
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do like a you know you can purchase it for a certain amount of bundle situation yeah okay cool but there's
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was like hey have you ever heard you know the name andrea buharic do you know bob beck that because
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in government and academics and just say like look what she can do she can channel all this advanced
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but um people think that his yeah buharach's lab was was that so do you does this add to your
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gifted and talented education you know uh kids who do who have psi abilities yeah being taken into
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they're told to like you know how do you interact with this exotic piece of metal or uh you know pick a
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children are actually they do have really amazing abilities it's unfortunate that some of them like
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these things because a part of me is extremely idealistic about them coming out because i do think
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you know you know you're on the right path if you do that but um yeah greg this is an honor man this
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