I'm revealing for the first time a lot of things that even my closest working colleagues do not know.
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Even on Wikipedia, there's not much about it.
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And I think like, in the academic setting, he had to, you know, put on a suit and tie and like, not talk about that, basically.
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I'm not trying to make bold statements, but that's just, that's not, you know, true.
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It's a buildup of this byproduct, not dehydration, that's to blame for the rough days after drinking.
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As you'll know, if you're older than, say, the age of 28 or 29, it's not usual.
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We're not personalities as you think of personalities.
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He's not cynical about those things.
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The general message is this idea that they are wanting to help the human race, you know, basically not destroy itself.
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And that again, to me, I just thought that's, that's, that's interesting because it's not just sort of like, you know, spiritual mumbo jumbo.
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To make a long story short, there's a seance that's held in, uh, late 52, early 53. I think it was the New Year's Eve of 52 to 53. And there are nine people involved in the seance. Now, these are not just some casual nine people you pick up, like, you know, your neighbors or something, right? This was a DuPont and an Astor and a Forbes. I mean, everybody that represents the, the blue blooded Brahmins of American society, old money people, were at a seance, a free
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And then ends up, you know, maybe not being the lone gunman, but, you know, attempting JFK's life.
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And it's not like I'm hiding something because I'm worried that, you know, I'm going to be a monitor.
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Apparently Dulles did not want the fact that Ruth Payne had actually been at the summer house or whatever.
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I think that summer, right before JFK was assassinated, he, she did not want, you know, that at all on record.
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And the other thing too, not to cut you off is I I've, with all this stuff in this film, I've gone to like the ends of the earth to try to track down.
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You would not find the only thing I ever found was there was a guy, a pretty interesting guy actually.
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You know, so, so there's just, this place did not exist.
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Well, it's, I mean, now I feel like it's one of these things that's slowly shifting, you know, and I think more and more people are going to start to recognize the fact that MK ultra had a role, not only in the JFK assassination, but in the RFK assassination, you mentioned Sirhan Sirhan.
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To this day does not remember having shot him.
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And I think he recognizes that he was actually shot from the back and not from the front.
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You know, this guy, William Jennings Bryan, not to be confused with the 1890s.
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And it's not just a one time snapshot.
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I must say again, like I'm, this is not my forte.
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And I went, oh, okay. Well, there's a mental disconnect there that that's not supposed to be happening. This is not, this is not possible.
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That's why I, that's why I reached out because again, like for me, a lot of this was, okay, I have all this information. I'm not a, you know, I'm not a, a physicist. I'm not a, most of this stuff, but I'd have to imagine it's connected because it, um, Puharic, the way this machine worked as well, had something to do with specific sine waves. Very, very specific.
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really grapple with like that a lot because I knew what I was hearing and, and sort of not so much researching is a lot of stuff we got were like tapes of these experiments.
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So it's not just like, I'm reading a report, you're hearing it. So I'm hearing, you know, these channeling sessions, I'm hearing these experiments.
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you can very much hear him saying you know is is it the not you know the type of like leading
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this and it was it was it was that it was very leading questions and are you sure it's not the nine
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there's a lot of other sessions he did where it was like not like that at all the complete opposite
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you know not leading at all and the nine would still come through yeah so that's interesting yeah
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like a yes and like an improv or whatever it's it's usually not like one neat solution kind of explains
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these other beings that come in and certain cases he's not asking leading questions yeah but it's uh
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the office he opens the safe i see a piece of metal i've never seen such a color pulls it out it's not
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not from here he says you're right this is a piece of a ufo that crashed on our planet uh it's over it's
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like he he knew that it was not from here or something like he showed it to him and he goes it's not from
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beings walking toward him saying do not fear do not fear and then he gets a hypnotic regression and he
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sure enough he puts him he he hypnotizes him and he is communicating with not the nine but it was some other
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this like not avoiding the the negative stuff like apparently the guy went like you know crazy he just
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that in fact a lot of the recordings we have not a lot but some of them came from from them they
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and danny on the phone with me is like dude i'm not sure that the early astronauts weren't mk ultra
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mention anything about the nine too or who ashed no i thought maybe okay not specifically okay but um
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not weird necessarily but also you know why would you do that and then save the cassette tapes decades
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this other theory that buharic could have not been a double agent and and and simply just a spy
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and again it's not because i sort of fear for you know anything but we we really done maybe it's
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deliberate maybe we're not supposed to have found anything but we don't have any sort of like legitimate
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helped me he helped me get to the to america um so it's not like he's he hates him or he speak but he
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can you perform at every instance someone asks you i mean no i'm not a i mean i i don't i don't
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psychic uh research uh research on these kids and i think again not unlike the earlier
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you know not and so all the kids that had an experience he would hypnotize them and allegedly the nine would
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geller and that was it he disappeared not true there's a uh a pay stub in puharic's archives that
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you would say oh that's okay that's that's interesting that's cool you're not going to say hey
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you want to come be a part of a uh a covert you know mind control experience you're not going to
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to come across as this like negative skeptic person because i'm not but again it goes back to like if you're
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i'm hearing it's all based off that it's not like really my personal um you know hardcore beliefs it's
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negative stuff that he may have otherwise not wanted to do and i think that's like a big part of the film
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you know it's not true and i think that i hope to get that across in the film and i think we do because
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put him out there because i'm not i mean like i got to know his family really well i'm like very close
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he's the most jovial funny night you know like he's not this like monster person and that's why i quite
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and he he's he's again i think being sucked into these things that he would otherwise not
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want to do any and not to ruin the end of the film but he basically like admits that that he basically
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exonerate you like probably not but uh it's uh yeah i mean i think the the the best version which i think
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who got really involved like he even says in an interview like you you normally could not even get into
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the egyptian god like so you know that's not and there are nine there are specifically nine egyptian
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well so there's a couple of things he he was sick at the time um but not i believe not enough that
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the day he's found you know there's no one at the house and um right not right before that but a few
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hours and days trying to find this mess but i could not find it for the life of me i tried everything i
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there talking and he he's experienced too much he knows too much and uh it's not good so i could see
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i'm not some crazy conspiracy person like after all that um yeah they were really open but um you know
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von braun and brown's ideas somehow seeded by like mk ultra adjacent things like probably not because you
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see like his his his assistant at one point kind of mentions this idea that like not not um not long
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stuff that was not supposed to be um read you know or seen it's amazing there's a lot of other names i
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later in his life is he he says and again this is not me or a speculation or making something up like
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so was this instance with jaime and the finger something to do with that what was it not i don't
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it's not just like all of that was fake yeah yeah i just think it got muddled at some point yeah and
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what i'm talking about with these more sinister connections that they they did not know in fact
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speculation about like what's true and what's not true but this was a very legitimate guy basically
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which again was not like involved in an intelligence thing but that was her like in with
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valerie ranson really well and that he was like i don't know much about him again i'm not trying to
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yeah the kit green thing again i'm not i did talk to him i'm not trying to throw him under the bus i
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like you you're better off like not going there kind of thing so a couple of speculations firstly and
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that i know literally one that exists of her that's not true there's one online and there's one that i
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anyways on there this one day this was not even that long it was like a year ago this video pops up
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them hey look here's valerie like can you believe this every no that's not her nope that's definitely not
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her i knew her that's not her and i said well that doesn't make sense because like everything she
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says in the video checks out to what we definitely know nope not her not one person and even this do
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but apparently it's not her according to everyone who knew her oh that's not her that's not the right
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woman that's not even what she looks like so but and the tape recording we have this which is a
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2016 17 i'm talking like you know not that long ago like 20 21 20. he reaches back out to me and is
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just still difficult to navigate what's what's real and what is not real you know and i think it takes
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i found his number online what yeah i kid you not it's one of those classic white pages sites where it
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naval intelligence at one point uh was like a big funder of buharic not not only back in the 50s but
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is uh not unlike valerie one of the space kids who we did an interview because we couldn't find her but
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