But that happened when he was a medical student, like way before the Roundtable Foundation, the first lab he had or anything like that.
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I don't know what it did exactly or, you know, what like, yeah, the day-to-day or anything.
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I think he was probably like, you know, in his 70s or 80s or something.
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And he sort of had this moment back then where he's like, I'm either going to choose the traditional academic path or I'm going to choose the, you know, path of ESP telepathy.
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And you think their preliminary interest was mind control, telepathy, anything beyond the purview of kind of normal materialist reductionist physics that might be able to be weaponized or confer a tactical advantage to the United States?
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As you'll know, if you're older than, say, the age of 28 or 29, it's not usual.
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It's the kind of archetypal, you know, emoji on all of our, you know, cell phones or iPhones, at least.
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And that that whole thing had some kind of hermetic meaning that, you know, isn't just maybe a literal reincarnation or something.
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It's the sacred mushroom in the cross or something.
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We're more like laws or principles of the universe.
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Or somebody would say, hey, have you seen this?
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Or do you think it was some front?
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He literally told me to show it up at his house and said, hey, you know, yes or no, will you let me interview you?
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Well, we should see if any of it checks with actual science or math or.
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You know, because like, again, there's a lot of it that you could just say, oh, you know, this could have been made up or whatever.
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And so you would, you would need some sort of like bracelet or something that would kind of like constantly be touching your skin in order again, for like the, the transmission to be better.
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So trippy. Yeah. No, that, uh, almost sounds like Chris Bledsoe or something.
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These people who seem to attract, uh, these orbs and it would make sense because those people also seem to be sort of high psi or, you know, you know, have higher kind of mind matter capabilities or whatever.
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nine Egyptian, uh, gods or whatever. We don't exactly know what these nine beings are, but it's like a council. And, and later the nine praise plays prominently because this channel or Phyllis Schlamer, uh, like gets all these messages from the nine along with a lot of the kids and stuff.
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To make a long story short, there's a seance that's held in, uh, late 52, early 53. I think it was the New Year's Eve of 52 to 53. And there are nine people involved in the seance. Now, these are not just some casual nine people you pick up, like, you know, your neighbors or something, right? This was a DuPont and an Astor and a Forbes. I mean, everybody that represents the, the blue blooded Brahmins of American society, old money people, were at a seance, a free
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or sorry, the group in the seance believed themselves to be agents of these extraterrestrials,
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And so I wonder sometimes, was it all good or was it bad? I mean, I don't think, you know,
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This could be as simple as, you know, how horrible that the president was shot or it could have
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that it was a psyop or that it was this early psychological warfare experiment where can we get,
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They think any sort of like real channeling or anything is just, you know, is fake.
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Like, so yours is the implication of this story that this company had something to do with the assassination of JFK or like, were these men in tweed suits raiding the office, the CIA?
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And were they, they thinking that intellectron had something to do with this or?
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So, so, so Puharich, yeah, he leaves the round table, he moves to New York city or he moves to Ossining.
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He gets a grant for $300,000, which at the time would have been like at least a million dollars or more from the Atomic Energy Commission, which is strange.
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Deep Black program or yeah.
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Is there any explicit connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and Intellectron or that sort of speculation on your part?
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Apparently Dulles did not want the fact that Ruth Payne had actually been at the summer house or whatever.
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Like he was somehow involved in Intellectron as like an outside consultant or something.
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They'll literally send a licensed professional to your home or you visit a nearby lab, one simple lab test.
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And people being tricked into saying, oh, you like this is your guardian angel or whatever.
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And you could, you could, you could send or implant thoughts to a person.
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A molar or something that would really be put on your tooth.
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And it's a very specific radio frequency that I guess you can't tune into like on a normal frequency band or a radio.
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And she had gotten a tooth filling or whatever, and she's driving and she starts to hear the radio in her head because she still has some metal in her teeth.
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I think there's a story with Puharich where some guy works at a metal mill or something.
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Yeah. Could you then use some sort of electromagnetic, you know, radio wave or some wave that connects directly to the brain and that kind of gets in a freaky territory because you end up in sort of psychic warfare, you know, that's ubiquitous or whatever in widespread.
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In the early nineties around messages he's downloading, but it, maybe it does beget the question, you know, is the Sherman stuff genuinely, you know, extraterrestrial or were people beaming messages that were extraterrestrial to test the veracity of the messaging or whatever through him. And I don't know, you know, I don't know the answer to that question. I don't think he was lying. And I think the program is real.
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Or it was just like, went, went dark, basically probably around 68. Um, he never talks about it again, only way later in his life. He never, ever talks about it.
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Do you believe he could actually do those things or do you think that was stage magic or.
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again i there's i don't have a document or something that that that proves this um and then puhart also
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of it it's either true or for some reason he's making it up i don't know why it's fascinating so so
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um high up there so a lot of red flags nothing again no concrete you know document or something
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this idea of nine extraterrestrial beings or what do you think that is is he is he calling in something
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that exists in reality these nine you know entities or is he creating those entities synthetically
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like a yes and like an improv or whatever it's it's usually not like one neat solution kind of explains
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with these kinds of experiments you need to you know do it on a real person or else you're never going to
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sudden he wakes up and he's in austin new york which is you know however 50 miles or whatever
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allegedly winds up in austin and he teleported and from new york city and puharic claims or told
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or revealed or facts to him and i think he showed him material and i think he felt like he had a
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heavy says or you touch this tell me what you feel now i put my hand on it and i say verna this is
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like he he knew that it was not from here or something like he showed it to him and he goes it's not from
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ufo lands geller goes into like a trance boards the the ufo comes back with like a pen and said or
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wanted to experiment with can you get someone to believe in or just kind of framing it around this
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truth but it's possible we have to entertain that yeah or is mk ultra actually converging on a technique
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that the you know extraterrestrials or nhi non-human intelligence already has mastery over vis-a-vis its
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teammate or whatever his colleague michael johnson go in this little jeep and they follow it uh they
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him now said that there was some sort of ambient radiation in his mouth or something from that time
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this or i think you know actually i think what they said was oh you know this was done by the the
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the film does a good job of this or i hope it does is you know i don't believe or and especially don't
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night or that day said later tonight you know i just got a message that like a ufo is going to show
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oh yes or no but that night um multiple people saw this huge ufo and andy tells the story and he
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run in and grab this bulky vhs camcorder but apparently like him that bulharic's son and two or
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even his cousin who didn't want to be interviewed or everybody did talk to him and he was like yeah
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a perceptual prism or container and i'm sure with his hypnotic techniques and with mk ultra and with
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or manipulate what people experience yeah but the idea that there's nothing outside of that perceptual
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prism that involves other entities between man and god or you know whatever your metaphysical beliefs
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geldreich and he uh has uncovered like a couple of ufo either crashes or appearances where the borderland
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a camp around with space children or whatever psychics yeah i've heard a lot about that um but
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gordon cooper i mean didn't he have some ufo uh stories or experiences or at least he was open to
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out they didn't have wings they were saucer shape that we never could get as high or as fast as they
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channeling the nine and roddenberry is there and it's like an hour or two hours of him asking questions
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about and that becomes everything the plot of star trek or well i wouldn't say the plot as star trek
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apart or whatever and and it never happened but uh he was moved enough to write a whole you know 130
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mention anything about the nine too or who ashed no i thought maybe okay not specifically okay but um
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where individual consciousness is kind of a pinched node of some larger fabric of consciousness or something
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and going to kind of pick off information or hey we're we're buddies we're into the same stuff we should
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tape record our conversation like he was cia and bent down was massad or something yeah yeah but all i know
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document or anything that really nailed and i think that's what's interesting about the the
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you know pieces of media or journalism beget more questions often than answers especially if you're
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kind of skeptical or distrust you know people who are like they're so sure it's just x or it's just y
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helped me he helped me get to the to america um so it's not like he's he hates him or he speak but he
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years later i think he wanted to come clean or sure about about like what he really experiences the
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these videos directed at world leaders so yeah trump don't push that button or putin stand down
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this directed thought to to change somebody's uh uh opinion or change somebody's uh direction or
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or they would you know go into the room and the the the drawers but oh you know poltergeist stuff right
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talking like teen you know early apparently there were like some very young you know five four or five
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it was really only like maybe like a dozen kids i think give or take but he he kind of invites them
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because a lot of these kids claimed they had some sort of encounter or or you know ufo experience
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about it you know they didn't want you know fame or they they were just like i'm actually scared and i
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ufos represent something real that's sort of you know non-human or extraterrestrial coming through
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these people or do you think that these were sort of synthetically implanted or kind of manipulated by
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you know a lot of people who go into a trance or hypnosis you know there's there's a protocol right
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it's either like a pendulum or whatever it is a countdown and i think the nine and and something
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or some analogy like that where the nine is basically just like
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like this sandbox for us to to play in or something and again it was off it wasn't in the interview
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do you think that this council of nine were real you know extraterrestrial or non-human beings
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communicating through these space kids or do you think the nine was being implanted and they were testing
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their ability to sort of manipulate thoughts and that was through the nine or whatever and they had some
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of the et phenomena or was it just all mk ultra you know and again i don't think it was all mk ultra
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that in and of itself seems a little messed up as does yeah you know slipping somebody mushrooms or
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you know telling them they've been abducted by aliens and taken aboard a ship when they haven't or
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stanford or whatever where you know these prison guards start to get really self-important or stanley
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really the nine or once again was puharic involved in something else that he had to be in these areas
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think they're having a smoke or something and he's and he's just kind of like hey look you know give
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implanting the the the idea that you've had an encounter or you know you've been abducted or so
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apparently and he they lived with him and he was still like you know doing stuff with them or whatever
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completely paranoid or somebody who's just totally telling the truth well it's right before he fell down
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is was uh found dead grinberg disappeared so again what do you say it's all coincidence and you move on or
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we live in a matrix and then he left the matrix or something like but what's interesting about him
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got erased or something i get and but that was the that's like the real theory of grinberg like again
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there and again on the tapes like he would say a name or he would write their name well actually in
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when he's going to meet the others and then he ends up meeting how put off like later or whatever and
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where his i think it was his dad or his uncle or something was was involved in the army or army
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these sort of you know it could have been control people or i mean i think like he's open about that
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something like spent the afternoon with him to disgust a lot or something like this i know some kid
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in his in his teenage years um or was like you know if you think about like what would be one of
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anti-gravity or extended electrodynamics or fifth dimensional physics i think kind of arrives from
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interesting you know he's into all this you know interesting science stuff or whatever and it turns out
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like that time you have telegraphs that i think um or telegrams that uh his daughter um i think has
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injured but he's okay and he's on his way back to the us or whatever so i can give you like 50 other
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stuff that was not supposed to be um read you know or seen it's amazing there's a lot of other names i
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later in his life is he he says and again this is not me or a speculation or making something up like
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would be in the like his protocol like he'd be saying that or like they'd be like automatically
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him beaming the message right now there is a ufo you know above our head or is it like
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and then it's converted into this elf frequency and it's transmitting to the you know space kids brain or
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non-human entities or extraterrestrials or do they think that they were tapping into like some dude on the
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positive time and they want to they don't want to go down the negative path or they don't maybe want
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had nothing to do with like intelligent or maybe it did but it had nothing to do with intelligence or
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the head of uh army something or other and then he went on to become the president of like west
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llc or something that valerie had some sort of connection to and this guy was like consulting for
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that or he was connected to a lot of like weird stuff basically and it was very little on him
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white house or no other than this guy elvis star basically saying like i i met her on on numerous
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cooper and again he had started some company as well that was some like advanced energy llc or something
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cover because i'm like nervous or anything i i genuinely don't really know i just know i've
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with and every single person i've talked to who knew valerie or had same reaction yeah i'm literally
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she gets into the car with this guy because he's driving her home or something and he gets a tape
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and you know do you do you accept this position and and then she she the guy parks and she gets out or
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like yeah i have no idea what happened to her or they're just straight up don't want to talk about
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secret national labs facilities often associated with the atomic energy commission or federally funded
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they're told to like you know how do you interact with this exotic piece of metal or uh you know pick a
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card or you know things like that does this add to your conviction that this was happening in sort of a
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a you know synthetic derivatives like an etf or something if you were to invest in this in the
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things five years ago or something it's just feels like they're all taking off like it feels like the
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etf analogy further are there financial or corporate interests behind the repopularization of some of
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or something i don't know i mean i think i certainly think this film is going to help you know put some
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