Ray Fowler

Which we never, I never knew until Ray Fowler interviewed her.

She was open about it to Ray Fowler.

Yeah. In fact, we hadn't even, you know, made that connection. It was Ray Fowler that made the

And, you know, decades ago, way before, uh, we were even aware of Ray Fowler.

So I tried to avoid it for a while and then a few days later, he came into my room and said, look, you know, this guy named Ray Fowler, Raymond Fowler is gonna, he's a UFO investigator.

And that's how I met Ray Fowler.