And it is now kind of patently obvious that the first iteration of this under Sean Kirkpatrick was literally a fly trap for, you know, UFO information.
It's a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick, who, you know, has long ties with the DOE, worked at Oak Ridge, you know, got this award from Brookhaven when he was, you know, a teenager and, you know, has, has all sorts of, you know, monetary incentives to say this stuff is fake.
A pretty strange position that also was held later on by Ronald Moultrie, who would stand up arrow and appoint his good friend Sean Kirkpatrick as director.