Barbara

through heightening intuition and lowering intellect. Barbara describes consciousness craft interfaces

know. But the technical capability Barbara described isn't necessarily science fiction. It's just Lockheed

So Jake, Barbara and I have had these long discussions where even for people, expert people,

And in order to do that, they're going to have to pull in people like Mr. Barbara and

whistleblowers like Mr. Barbara and not bring in people who are second, third and fourth-hand

Okay, yeah, wait and see, for sure. I want to return to some of your thoughts on some of the government operations that Barbara was a part of.

Ross, in your experience, rigorously covering so many UAP related stories now, how does Barbara's account compare to other whistleblower testimonies?

It totally correlates. I mean, the task of the reason I'm so sure about Barbara telling the truth is because I was referred to Mr.

Barbara by people inside the legacy program, scientists who are frustrated that they think the public should have a right to know this information, that they say there's no good reason for the continued secrecy.

So going back to Barbara, he was saying that there was

Barbara's story is like pretty beyond reproach actually

Um, and then so go back to Jake Barbara.

So so going back to this, uh, Jake Barbara thing where they're getting these psionic

And then you have Barbara's testimony that psionic abilities can forcefully land craft or bring

Jake, Barbara and his team.

say something that at first thought just sounds fucking crazy. Like Barbara coming out and saying,

like Jake, Barbara, a very, very, very incredibly smart guy,

and I want to go to the Jake Barbara clip.

or I have a place in Santa Barbara so I was like all this get you as soon as I could possibly get you

Barbara right now I said I'm getting to the car I'm coming I'll be there I'll be there tomorrow