Gorbachev

You also remote viewed Gorbachev.

You remote viewed Gorbachev.

And basically, they said, you know, we want you to do things to affect Gorbachev and all this.

Jim Garrison has this deal now, this world of life that used to have Gorbachev in it as his world spokesman.

As Jim Garrison himself said, Chris is the new Gorbachev for this.

Yes, I'm also familiar with the rhetoric, public rhetoric, between President Reagan and Gorbachev at the time, too, that they traded statements about, wouldn't it be something if we were threatened by something from way outside, how we might work together?

Yes. I'm also familiar with the rhetoric, public rhetoric, between President Reagan and Gorbachev at the time, too, that they traded statements about,

I mean you have rumors of like Reagan and Gorbachev.

Gorbachev, Mikhail Gorbachev says in an interview with Charlie Rose that he was sitting with

involved in talking Gorbachev to step back out of the Cold War. Our, the Jesuit office was, we were

actually in direct communication with Gorbachev. Uh, and uh, it was, I should probably tell you the story.

long. He said, who you need to be is Gorbachev. Gorbachev, who is KGB, he is the, uh, KGB protege of

In the party. And so Jim sets up a meeting to, uh, to meet with Gorbachev when he's still,

and this is like 1980, 81, right? And so he goes to the Kremlin to meet Gorbachev. And, uh, they,

income is Gorbachev. And we sit down and I start telling him about, you know, my name is Jim

respond to this and Gorbachev who will talk English and private, but he won't talk publicly. But

When I start doing this, he said, so you have to agree to become the president of the Gorbachev

And so that's how Jim Garrison became the president of the Gorbachev Foundation. My best friend

and of course they did. They came for, people who remember this Gorbachev got kidnapped.

them release him. And then Yeltsin ran for president and won. And then Gorbachev and Jim Garrison

at the end of the Cold War because the Gorbachev before he was leaving, he was going to sign this

against this saying, this is an absolutely wrong response to the step back that Gorbachev has done.

Is the friggin was speaking with Gorbachev.

Gorbachev tells the story that he says it in the interview.

And Gorbachev was extremely taken aback.

German interested though, what was Gorbachev's,

the state of the world forum for Gorbachev and for James Baker at the end of the the Cold War that

Secretary General Gorbachev. When you stop to think that we're all God's children, wherever