Exan

He didn't tell me personally, but he told a member of my family, not Von Neumann, General Exan, that he had held when the debris and bodies were brought into the material, he had held one of the bodies.

But the other thing that Von Neumann and you referenced briefly this paper earlier there is supposedly a paper and at general Exan who was no scientist but had been exposed to a lot of scientists involved in this and was very smart.

But General Exan didn't say anything about that.

Uh, I did ask General Exan about them.

And he said that he and General Exan had worked on this project.

And he introduced me to General Exan, who I talked to on the phone a number of times,

And, um, General Exan said, and I'm quoting him.