So I'm here with Peter LaVenda, the author of Sinister Forces, Secret Machines, The Unholy
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here today. You're the author of Sinister Forces, Secret Machines, Man, Gods, and War,
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in, uh, secret machines. Yeah. Excuse me. Sinister forces. Yep.
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of secret machines, gods. And that's the cargo cult chapter.
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the short answer is no, there isn't one, but one of the points we make and send in secret machines,
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say that exactly? You think, you think secret machines and sinister forces, it's all, it's all
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That's the secret machines, yeah.
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There you go. And something else you get into with secret machines, which is fascinating, is
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Well, is there a connection? I think so. I think we made a pretty good case for it in secret machines,
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Secret Machines, um, God, um, no, Secret Machines War, I think. I wrote about it also in one of the Nazi
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with the, with sinister, with the secret machines. And that is, there's this, there's this point that
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to the stars books in secret machines, we kind of emphasize this aspect is that open your eyes and
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