I've seen them in a shop stealing things while controlling the minds of all the other people in the shop.
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I know them too well.
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you wouldn't mind signing them?
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Of course I'll sign them.
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And then I like to do some giveaways for the audience here so that they can have them as well.
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You know, I'm used to the visitors in my life now and I'm love them dearly.
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I've been with them for years now.
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They alter your perceptions of them in such a way that you can be much more malleable and much more controllable, but also much more present to the reality of them, which is that they're not aggressive here.
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One culture after another either fell to them or became completely directed toward them because, you know, their pots and pans were made of pottery.
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And they're bamboo refrigerators and walked back and forth between them making funny noises, thinking that it sounded like what they heard the airmen doing.
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That means you have no chance of engaging with the visitors in a way that will be meaningful to you and them.
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Therefore, they're going to take from you what they want, since you can't give it to them.
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Do you think that's genuine, or do you think this is more like a prosaic explanation in that if they wanted to contact them, it would be in different ways?
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We don't recognize their existence because they live in the upper atmosphere and they're hard to see and there's no way to detect them because our radars and so forth will look right through them.
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But is there some type of, you know, immune response that they have in their collective consciousness that gatekeeps people from accessing them?
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And when one of them will physically come into a context I'm familiar with, this individual, if it's one of the biological ones that's about five feet tall, will have guards with them.
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And the guards will be, interestingly enough, not only guarding them physically but also guarding them on another level because there's more to the contact than we can even see.
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So to them, this planet is packed with billions of completely separate individuals.
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Well, interestingly enough, uh, you know, I've had lots of telepathy with them and also with people who are.
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I think have been bred by them to have telepathy because these people are also unvoiced.
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And then I, at that moment, hear them say, and I thought they were talking,
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They can, it's not hard for them to walk among us.
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But recently, I published another book called Them, which has got 11 of the letters analyzed the way I know now,
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As far as I understand from them, the plant world has very complex consciousness that the planet is like the most incredible, brilliant Renaissance painting of consciousness you can imagine.
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We're tremendously entertaining to them.
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The reason being that as soon as they intervene, cultural colonization happens and we redirect all of our interests toward them.
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Because they're obviously out there spending a lot of money trying to get technology from them.
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And, you know, they come down to here so we can see them.
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I always say to these people, I've said to them for years, when you look at the materials, please.
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Anyway, he's seen them, he says, without the eye covering very clearly.
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Because without the eye covering, you see, the thing is, when you look at them, when I look at you, I'm looking at a guy.
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Do you think that it is their modus operandi to sort of have us learn about them?
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I know them too well.
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Like, I've had a couple of lessons from them that have opened me to parts of my soul memory that have been the most extraordinary, wonderful experiences.
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Not with them at all that I'm aware of.
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One, when I, they called me to come to be with them in the woods at the cabin in 1988, I guess, or 89.
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And when I went back to the house, I got this sense of one of them being invisible but in the room with me.
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For them, this would be like riding on rails.
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But I think they might have taken me down a path one time of being like them.
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And they got them archived professionally there and everything.
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One of them did for a very brief time and tapped me on the shoulder to do the three o'clock AM meditation and which was going on big time then.
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And if we end up like them, outside of the experience of life, like fishermen on the shore instead of the fish in the water,
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So, you know, I relax now and I'm much more comfortable with them because I know they're not going to do that to me.
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And I can open myself to them.
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The closer they come to us, the more we become aware of them and the more danger there is that we end up like them.
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That, you know, we go to them instead of them coming to us.
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And for them, that's what they want.
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And share our experience without them overwhelming us or possessing us or destroying the journey of the soul.
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I know there are, but I also know that a lot of them don't last long.
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A lot of them don't last long.
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It's always, it seems to be a really important factor or maybe even a defining difference, you know, between us and them or something unique about it.
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Anything like that from them.
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And the answer is, there's no—it might be happening to them now, by the way.
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It's unexpected and it's welcomed, but for them it's just unsurprising.
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I've seen them in a shop stealing things while controlling the minds of all other people in the shop.
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I mean, I do know some of them live very hand-to-mouth existences.
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Given that they are telepathic and do not want to be found, I think it's probably impossible to find them.
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You know, it's preventing them from allowing me to express myself.
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And I don't really know if I'm talking about something that's being done to them, that I'm talking about mind control or exactly what I'm talking about.
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And I think thanks to them, they in part helped make this interview possible, so—
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And I hate to say that, and I'd probably piss them off, but it's the truth.
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It was just—I get up early, and I wasn't expecting to see them.
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But as I was walking past the windows in the cabin, looking out over the front yard, there were three of them standing there up near some trees.
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I was trying to kind of tame them at the time.
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They would disappear when you got near them.
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Of three of them standing under a tree in a neighborhood.
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I can tell them apart, but there's a definite beauty there.
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it'll mean that they no longer, you know, it will turn our whole culture toward them.
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looking for ways to protect us from them.
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But if the whole culture turns toward them, then everybody's going to be looking for cell
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Therefore, you know, I could just monitor them, and they can live happily on their planet, and it's still spreading my seed across the universe.
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They called them mobile construction units, MCUs, and that they would build these ships to spec, and they would deploy them around the world,
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That because, you know, we hear about the greys, and there's a lot of speculative notions that put them, align them more with something like the idea of AI.
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And I know a lot of other intellectuals who, in fact, a lot of them are close friends who are also scientists and academics and in this whole space who woke up one night with the visitors in their bedrooms or whatever happened to them.
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And they are, each one of them is a unique personality that is connected to the larger mind.
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They have big brains just like the larger ones so that the larger ones can fully express their minds into them.
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You know, when they talk about whistling them up and then shooting them down.
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And we need agency against them.
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And when I read about or I guess I heard Jake, maybe Jake was talking about it, one of them talking about how they would get a psionics person to call them up and then shoot them down.
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And shoot them up is our agency, even though it doesn't matter to them.
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But in other words, they were not wearing the sheath on their arms when they were—I saw them wiping that stuff.
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But we often—because, like you touched on, they use these small ones as a sort of means to inject their own consciousness so that they can control them to do these tasks.
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And then when he met these taller beings, he realized, oh, like, he wasn't sure if this was, you know, now looking back, if this was them projecting a human, you know, coding or something.
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I've always said there may have been something else standing behind them, but I did not see that.
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And you turn them on and floodlights flood the whole area.
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A lot of them got away.
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So, uh, uh, but he would find them encapsulated in epidermis, but buried in deep muscle tissue.
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them and scraping up and down the door with these snake like fingers.
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He described them as snakes too, didn't he?
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entirely different species and, uh, humans associated with this group, them in some way.
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and contacted the Germans because he thought it was them, you know.
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And as I recall, and I might be wrong about this, but one of them, either one of the senators or one of their assistants said to me that they had found a military base that wasn't on the Pentagon's roster, but then yet was still being paid.
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I do have, so the audience, I, I, I give them a quick heads up on our discord and I allow them to ask several questions to our guests.
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Well, if, uh, if this is an open invite to have them come on the podcast, uh, they're more than welcome.
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We have a few questions here from our lovely audience as we call them interns.
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It is about something that, to them, they have a science of the soul that is precise, very precise.
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Know yourself and you know the whole world and you know them.
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What do I want to impart to them?
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You guys go out there and find the right questions and ask them.
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Ask them inside yourselves, in your hearts, to each other, to the universe, and to all who are here trying to relate to us, because they want those questions.
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