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You had to sign some NDAs about a lot of this information?
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Some of the things I can loosely talk about, like seeing a UFO on the ranch is commonplace.
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You alluded to government involvement, limited government involvement, or at least interest still in the ranch.
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Have you witnessed any of that?
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They told me when I started, they said, hey, just be aware.
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It's possible that, you know, you might have the government listening to your phone calls or checking your emails.
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So just be careful what you say.
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We get our phones hacked while we're on the ranch.
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You'll just be sitting there and all of a sudden something opens up your phone.
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It's like going through everything.
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That happens to everybody on the ranch.
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But I do also think that some of the big stuff is held back on a more governmental level.
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You think there's like national security implications?
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So you're saying that the phenomenon is obviously aware on some conscious level.
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It behaves that way.
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Of what your intention is.
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And it knows ahead of time.
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On daylight cameras, a UFO shows up.
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There's a cow in the shade underneath and buckles and dies.
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They brought me in, I don't know, a few weeks, a month later.
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And that thing had contorted in what we call the dinosaur death pose.
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Normally a mammal, when they die, they go into the fetal position.
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We found a skunk and it looked like a taxidermy skunk.
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We documented it there for three years.
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It didn't disintegrate.
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Welcome, Ben Woodruff.
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So Ben, you've been part of the sort of skinwalker legacy as far as the television show goes, but
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also behind the scenes doing a lot of the biological testing.
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Namely experiments with birds as well and just looking at the land.
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I mean, we're going to talk about so many different facets of this fascinating geographical
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area that's been enigmatic to say the least in that I think so many people are really
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invested in partially, I think mainly due to the television series, but also the books,
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the lore, the stories, the hitchhiker effect, the cattle mutilations, the tie to Bob Bigelow.
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There's so much history here.
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This is a Mecca or at least another sort of Bermuda Triangle in the UFO sphere.
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So I want to thank you for coming all the way down from Utah today and welcome.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's a pleasure to be out.
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I can't wait to get into some of this stuff.
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I've been biting my tongue.
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We went out for breakfast this morning and I was, you know, kind of like pulling my punches.
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I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to get through all the things that I wanted
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to ask you, but for viewers at home that might be sort of introduced to this topic,
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perhaps a little more recently, can you give us a general sort of gestalt on what is Skinwalker
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So I guess, oh, you would say it's an area of high strangeness, but that's pretty nebulous
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So it has a history going back thousands of years.
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The native people in the land there, the Native American tribes going way back, have a rich
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history of very anomalous things from portals opening up to, you know, skinwalkers themselves.
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The term skinwalker is actually a Navajo term, Diné, the Navajo tribe, the Diné tribe.
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And it is kind of come to evolve to be a broader thing.
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Anything weird, anything strange, anything anomalous, say, oh, it's a skinwalker.
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But that's not the origins of it.
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But the ranch itself has had since ancient times.
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It's had strange things.
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It's had prehistoric animals appearing, which doesn't, I'm just reporting what's been said.
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It's had, you know, UFOs and well-documented, at least since the 1990s.
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But people even much earlier going back, all kinds of strange things.
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You know, like I said, portals.
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Poltergeist activity.
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And beings, people seeing beings and hearing voices speaking many different languages.
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So a wide range of things.
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And then the government got involved in the 90s and has really been involved ever since.
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They're not officially now, but they still are.
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Well, so involved, they were involved initially with NIDS or, you know, the scientists that were there looking at it.
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Namely, you know, you had Bob Bigelow.
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You had Hal Puthoff.
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You had a lot of these sort of heavy hitters in this area looking at this place, buying the farm, first of all, or the property off of the family who had it there previously, who had all these anomalous things happen to them.
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And then out of interest, you know, Bob Bigelow, I think, was funded for this or partially funded.
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Yeah, partially funded.
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There was some Senator Harry Reid got some funding for it.
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And so it was researched, you know, by the government, government contracted.
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And then eventually they took over completely.
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The Shermans were still living on the ranch at first.
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And eventually the government completely took over through the 90s and early 2000s.
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And there's a lot of things that, you know, people who were on those early teams, they allude to.
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But I think there's a lot that we, the current team, have not been told.
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So and but all the information back then, it was all analog.
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It was like our ability to capture data has exponentially grown since.
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And so what we're doing now, I think far exceeds what was done back then.
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I don't know because we don't have all of that data, but from the sound of it, you know, I mean, if you're just having VHS that you're recording things with compared to now, you know, where we have, you know, everything from mass spectrometers to, you know, LiDAR that we can shoot through things and drones.
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I mean, you know, digital footage.
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We're capturing now.
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Do you think that there is some some merit to capturing it in an analog way, though?
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Because it seems like the phenomenon itself messes with things that are digital.
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But I hate saying this, but I, I have to say it.
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The the ranch operates as if it is self-aware, as if it has a consciousness.
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Even if it doesn't, it operates that way.
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Kind of like genetics.
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Genes operate as though we say, oh, this is the genetic motivation.
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Well, genes, as far as we know, don't have a motivation, but they operate in the way that they do.
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So we phrase it the ranch, whether it's actually self-aware or not, it operates as though it appears to be.
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And what I see is that during the Bigelow era, it was kind of given a little friction and then it kind of died down.
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And then during this new era, it gave friction at first and we gave friction back and some rough things happened in the beginning.
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And then it was kind of like, OK, all right, fine.
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I'm going to teach you.
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It's like the phenomenon is like, I'm going to teach you.
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I'm going to mess with your digital devices, but learn from that and then do a better experiment.
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It's almost like it's a trickster spirit, like a trickster energy, but it's trying to teach you and move the ball forward.
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It's almost like you're you idiots are saying you keep coming back.
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OK, I'm going to teach you something.
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So to, you know, to any skeptical person out there, this sounds like a lot of woo woo stuff like this.
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Initially, when you hear this stuff coming from someone like yourself and, you know, you have clear, a clear history in studying biology and paleontology and all this stuff.
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To hear someone like you of your caliber say, oh, but there's like a trickster energy that does sound a little woo to people out there.
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What's an example that you can give that's like a concrete like, oh, here's just one of many that'll help you understand what I'm trying to say.
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As far as some the ranch seems to give you what you want.
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If you come in there with a lot of bravado, people get attacked, people collapse, people fall over, you know, people get their heart attacked, people get their mind attacked.
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But if you come in and just kind of have an attitude of like, I'd like to learn, then it seems the phenomenon will show you what your field of science wants.
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Now, I understand you could say the opposite.
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You could say, well, that's your field of science.
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So, of course, you're going to notice those things.
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But even factoring that in, it seems to show you that.
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So it's like amplifying what's already in your mind kind of thing.
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Like it's aware and it will show you it will bring you like for me, dead stuff.
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Anytime I'm going to come on the ranch, dead animals are going to give you so much information.
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And, you know, we've we've even had one time where the producer of the show and I walked out when I just showed up and there was two dead quail sitting right in front of us.
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And we're both laugh.
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We're like, OK, Ben showed up.
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The beaks open up like this, right?
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Both of them had the front, the upper mandible bashed in, but the lower mandible was still in place, which if they ran into something, those would both be broken.
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They sat on the ground all week.
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They were two feet away.
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I've got footage of this two feet away from a fire ant hill.
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The fire ants wouldn't touch it.
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And they stayed floppy for for that whole week.
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So we ended up freezing them.
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And so it's like, well, Ben's here.
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Let's talk about dead animals since we're going here because this is pretty fascinating.
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Obviously, there are plenty, thousands, thousands upon thousands.
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I would probably even estimate tens of thousands of cases of like cattle mutilation across North America.
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It's a problem for a lot of farmers in Canada as well.
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And especially, you know, in these sort of local or these sort of isolated areas, there seems to be a lot of this happening.
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Not strictly cattle.
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It sometimes can, you know, go into horses or like other, you know, mammals.
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But Skinwalker Ranch is known primarily for the cattle mutilations.
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When we're talking about cattle mutilations to anyone that's out there, there's obviously some anomalous things that happen or that happens to the animal that cause, you know, sort of concern, which is the unexplained boring of, you know, its genitals or the lack of blood or the lack of struggle even.
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But then, like you said, just the sort of lack of rigor mortis or the way that they decompose and the way that animals are sort of uninterested in a carcass, which is obviously very interesting to animals normally.
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What, out of all of those symptoms, what have you observed there?
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Have you seen all of these things firsthand?
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My first time, so I'll talk about the small stuff and then the cattle mutilations part.
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So my first day coming on the ranch, we pull up and at the gate, I look over and there's a dead rabbit sitting there.
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And I thought, okay.
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And in those days, I was nervous to take photos and document because I was very cautious about things.
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And now I film everything.
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So I snapped a few pictures and every day coming back, it was still there.
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And we checked it floppy, no ants, no gastrointestinal swelling, you know, no bloating, no, no scavengers bothered it.
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No ants, no flies, nothing.
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And I was there, I don't know, like three, four or five days that week, that first week.
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And then the last day I went, it was gone and it was all sand and irritant.
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No tracks, nothing, nothing.
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Uh, that same first week we found a skunk and it looked like a taxidermy skunk.
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It looked like it was happy.
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It was just like, this dead skunk.
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We documented it there for three years.
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It didn't disintegrate.
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It smelled a little bit like a skunk, but no rot stink.
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And so finally, Eric Bard and I.
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You have decomposers.
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When you die, you have internal bacteria that starts to, you're like, oh, I'm not getting
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a food source anymore.
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So it starts to eat your stomach lining off gassing.
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And that's where you get the bloating.
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But you also have external decomposers that start to break you down.
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None of that happened.
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And so Eric Bard and I said, well, it's been three years.
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Let's film a little blurb on it.
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So him and I, just on his phone, we filmed a thing of it and turned it over and examined
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The next day we came out, it was gone.
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And in its place was a perfectly decomposed, like arm of like, probably like a prairie
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dog, like a large, large rodent, not a skunk.
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And a chunk of that skunk fur was wedged up on the side of the old ruins of the homestead
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Almost like, it's like, oh, you think I can't decompose?
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Here's a decomposed hand.
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And here's a little, you know, and nobody else, you can't get on the ranch.
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You can't just drive on.
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We were the only ones there.
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It's just Eric and I.
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So Eric in the middle of the night, go and get rid of the skunk and put a prairie dog
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laying there and put wedge this thing up there.
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So what we found is that small animals don't decompose.
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Rigor mortis doesn't set in.
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If they're in the water, they will.
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But if they're on land, they don't.
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They just stay floppy.
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And this is all animals without exception, all small animals without exception.
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I've birds and mammals and one frog.
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We've had weird things with a fish too, which that's, that's, that's a separate issue too.
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But, but yeah, so, so small animals, if you're like coyote sized or smaller, if you die on
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the ranch, you don't decompose.
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We've had some things, uh, like we had a bird called an Oriole and they brought me this
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Oriole and it was the legs.
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You got skin and scales on the legs.
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And when we did a necropsy, open it up, there was just gaps.
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And I'll, I'll send you a picture, a drawing I did.
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And it was just like bone empty, bone, empty, bone, empty down the whole leg.
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It was just, just chunks missing.
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That bird would not be alive if that was the case.
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And there were just these gaps.
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Just like no, no tendon muscle or bone.
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And then tendon muscle and bone.
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Everything was gone.
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Except for the skin.
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The skin and the scales on the outside were there.
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And so we opened it up and it's like, that's impossible.
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And no decomposer would do that.
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No dermestid beetles wouldn't do that, you know, because tendon and bone, you know, it
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So I, that one was, that one messed me up.
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So another one we found on the ranch, a starling, and I think this was on the TV show.
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And this starling was squishy and stayed that way for like months.
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It's a, it's a little bird.
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It's, um, it's in the minor family.
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They're from Europe.
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People brought them over.
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Um, and you know, they're about the size, like a, you know, Robin, bigger than a sparrow,
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but it was squishy to the touch.
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Stay that way forever.
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So I took it off the ranch.
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Once it was off the ranch, it started to decompose and the skull looked like it had blown up from
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And Eric pointed that out.
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I was like, there's, it looks like some sort of, sort of energetic thing that popped out.
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Well, in the skull, I was, it started to smell at home, never did on the ranch.
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So is it because it's on the ranch that doesn't decompose?
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Well, all these weird bubbles started to form.
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It looked like a metallic bubble and they would, it was almost like a, yeah, like a bubble, which
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And I got tweezers and I'm like, oh, I'm going to grab this pop.
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And I'm like, oh, that's strange.
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And they kept forming.
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And finally, I'm like, every time this is popping, nobody's going to believe me.
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So I snapped a few photos and I'll, I'll show you some photos of that too.
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But I was like, I don't know what that stuff was, but it didn't happen until this dead bird
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was taken off the ranch.
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But before that, even when it was fresh off the ranch, squishy and floppy.
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That's, I mean, that's definitely insane.
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Um, I want to, I want to just interject with, uh, something that maybe I should have said
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at the beginning, but there, you know, when you reached out to me, you were kind of pretty
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happy that you were able to talk about some of these things because previously, um, there
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had been, you had to sign some NDAs about a lot of this information.
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Due to the nature of, uh, because they might be using it in future seasons or, you know,
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it's, it's proprietary, you know, information that you were hired and you were, um, but
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is there, so now that you're released of this partially released of some of that information,
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um, there is still information that you can't talk about.
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Is that information that you can't talk about related to just like breakthrough findings
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in science and, and, or is it related to more like proprietary info or is it related to
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It's more of a security and things that we've witnessed.
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Um, the things that I've gotten permission to talk about, there's a lot that I can't
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talk about in my fields.
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And there's a lot that I, that I cannot, that are in other people's fields who have been
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on the ranch that we've witnessed.
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Um, and even just some of the things, like some of the things I can loosely talk about,
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like seeing a UFO on the ranch is commonplace.
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I mean, I've got footage that one day, and I did ask Brandon if I could talk about this
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one, but we were filming at the end of the day and we had been in the river.
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Everybody was exhausted.
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I mean, it was, it was like a million degrees all day, humid, and we were just all dead.
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It was the middle of the night and we all have to drive like a half an hour to get back
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And, um, I, I look over, I'm like, you guys, there's, there's a UFO and I'm talking to
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Do you guys want to film this?
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What do you, what do you mean by UFO?
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Like it came over a big, bright orb, not distant, like big enough, way bigger than a star or the
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space station or something bigger than that.
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Um, and it came over and, um, to the West from, from the West and it came over and it was
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kind of like hovering, you know, being in place, moving.
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And I'm like, you guys, you want to film that?
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And they're like, no, we're just, I'm like, I, you know, I mean, UFO.
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And they're like, ah, it's okay.
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So I, I grabbed a couple of shots and grabbed a little footage of it.
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It's like, it's that commonplace on the ranch to have something come over.
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And so usually they only document it.
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And I mean, it's always documented, like there's cameras 24 seven.
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Uh, but as far as the boots on the ground, if, if it's not part of an experiment, it might
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not get the attention it deserves.
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So you saying that there's like this whole catalog of anomalous UAP footage that they're
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Uh, it just hasn't been gone through.
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Hasn't been gone through.
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And so now they have like the Skinwalker Ranch and Ciders where people can help, you
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know, can sign up and can help go through some of the footage real time.
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Um, which has been kind of nice because people will find stuff and then they'll bring it up
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to some of us on the team and say, what do you think about this?
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So, because there's just so much going on.
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You, you had alluded to government involvement, uh, limited government involvement, or at least
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interest still in the ranch.
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Have you, have you witnessed any of that?
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Uh, they told me when I first started, they said, Hey, officially the government isn't officially
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involved, but they are still interested to both behind the scenes and in front of the
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And, you know, Travis Taylor is always on the UAP task force.
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And it's like, and he even reported some of the anomalies back to the government and
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broke an NDA because of this might be a national security issue.
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So, but they told me when I started, they said, Hey, just be aware.
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Um, it's possible that, you know, you might have the government listening to your phone
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calls or check or checking your emails.
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So just be careful what you say, um, you know, follow your NDAs that you've signed.
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Um, so they were casual about it.
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That wasn't like a threat or a warning when they said, you know, and we've seen on the
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ranch, I mean, the government will fly over the government has done grids.
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We've seen with airplanes over the ranch.
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And helicopters too.
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Helicopters coming in.
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And, and the Black Hawk helicopters coming in.
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And then even when you have congressmen in Utah trying to follow up on it, can't
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It's like, you should get direct answer about that.
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Do you think Brandon is involved at that level?
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Like, I mean, obviously he, you know, he owns the place.
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He's got a lot of money.
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Um, do you think someone like him would be regularly debriefing some faction of the government?
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He, he tells them he is, he, Brandon is the coolest guy on earth.
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He is so, he is such an awesome guy and he's sincere.
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He is, he is intelligent and he works his butt off more than anybody.
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I know he's actually passionate about real estate, like legitimately.
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He's a mogul in that field.
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And he, and he loves it.
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It's not about money.
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He loves doing that.
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And so this is his side thing that it's like, I want answers and he really wants answers.
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And so he has really done a lot of networking, getting certain government officials together
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and like, look, Hey, we need to be paying attention to this.
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We need to be addressing this.
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So he's briefed people.
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I know he has, and he's been instrumental in trying to move this conversation forward,
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which I have the maddest respect for.
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I mean, that was at the potential risk of his career, you know, or, or, or more.
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Um, you know, do you think though that like the involvement of the government is a net positive
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Because it depends, you know, there are two sides to this.
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Some parts of the government seem like they can't wait to talk about it.
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But then you hear about the seedy underside that kind of covers everything up.
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Um, do you, do you see a concern there?
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I had, there might be, I mean, we get our phones hacked.
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While we're on the ranch, you'll just be sitting there.
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And all of a sudden something opens up.
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Your phone is like going through everything.
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That happens to everybody on the ranch and some people it ruins their phones.
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I've had my phone hacked twice.
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I've never had it, but is that the phenomenon or is that our government?
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Is that another government?
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We've had audio things happen where we're just sitting there and all of a sudden you hear like
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a double echo coming back over all around the room.
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And it's like, it's like, okay, well clearly somebody's tapping in and recording.
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Maybe it's like the NSA kind of thing.
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Um, and maybe it's the phenomenon doing it.
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I don't know that, but I, I, I think the government, the government, I don't know for
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This is speculation.
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I, I get the impression that, you know, the government did a lot of work in the nineties
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and now that Brandon's here and trying to do work and is answering to the government
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and getting the government involved.
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I think the government's like, well, Hey, let's just sort of the sidelines, let them
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Just costing us nothing.
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Let's get back to some of the stuff you are allowed to talk about.
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Um, and some of these more bizarre cases involving mammals.
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So we've gone through the fowl.
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We've gone through the rabbit.
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What's what's next on this chain?
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So cattle, um, the cattle are so cattle mutilations.
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Well, before we get to cattle, like we're, we're working our way up.
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So, um, so that, well, there, this involves a cow too.
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Um, so, um, so on daylight cameras, a UFO on, on what we call the path of the skinwalker,
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this north south running line where all these anomalous things always happen along this fence
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There's a cow in the shade underneath and buckles and dies.
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This season one of the TV show.
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It's like, why aren't we talking about this all the time?
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They brought me in, I don't know, a few weeks, a month later.
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And that thing had contorted in what we call the dinosaur death pose.
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Normally a mammal, when they die, they go into the fetal position.
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You know, they, the tendons dry out this way.
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This thing went, ah, spiraled all crazy.
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Um, so they brought me out and I found that something had bit with its tooth through one
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And I took that rib and measured it and it matched up to either a dire wolf or a jaguar.
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I checked a whole bunch of teeth.
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Now it doesn't mean that's what it is, but I just said, okay, it doesn't match a regular
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Doesn't match coyote.
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Bigger than a regular wolf.
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Bigger than regular wolf.
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And I took a rib and went and tested through and took the next rib over and tested like
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And even with a black bear tooth and even that it shattered.
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So whatever it was, had a lot of power because normally carnivores, if they're going to bite
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a rib, they use their molars and they bite off a side to get the marrow and they'll chomp,
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They don't use front canines.
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They, that's going to break them.
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So it bits clean through, poked it right through and made a concoidial fracture.
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And so from that, we had this thought, oh, you know, probably not a dire wolf, but okay.
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But then people, even from the Sherman era in the nineties claimed that they had seen
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these big giant wolves and that they had attacked things and, you know, had attacked the dogs
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on the ranch and stuff.
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That was the original sort of depiction of a skinwalker itself was like this half man,
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Like shape shifter kind of thing.
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These big giant wolves.
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And on the ranch, the same thing they were telling me, like in the nineties, there was
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more of, there was a couple stories of kind of like dinosaur, like things like velociraptor
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type things that people said, but there was a lot more of mammals.
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And they said, oh yeah, there's like a, there's a dino beaver.
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They said they saw, oh, and they were laughing about it.
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I'm like, well, what do you mean?
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Like a beaver, like, you know, like 300 pounds.
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And I said, well, we had those here during the ice age 10,000 years ago.
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And I had brought out a skull and showed them.
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I'm like, here it is.
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Like, wait, that was actually real.
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So the question is, so a lot of these things that people were seeing seem to be ice age
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animals, which is the time right before us.
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We're still coming out of the ice age.
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So it's like, okay, well, did you see, you know, uh, is there a portal opening up that's
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letting these things through?
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So with the wolf, um, they were going along the river doing a totally different experiment.
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And they found this, it's, it's painful to watch.
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They found this, this thing and it, it had rotted properly, even though it was a wolf thing,
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a canine for a canine had massive fangs, oversized fangs.
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And they said, uh, we ought to get this for Ben, but it stinks so bad.
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Let's just hack off the jaw and bring it to Ben.
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So they showed it to me and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, go get the rest of it.
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Um, and they went to get the rest of it.
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Most of it, the skull had washed down river.
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They got me the rest of the skeleton that they could get, but the jaw, I'm like the number
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of teeth it has and the size and shape and the robustness matches a dire wolf.
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That doesn't mean that's what it is, but that's.
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We have a big wolf on our hands.
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Big wolf on our hands that shouldn't be here.
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And did that match up to the bite marks?
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It was the same size, same shape.
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And so we're like, well, we can do a DNA test.
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So we sent a, a, um, DNA sample, which sent the tooth to colossal bioscience, which is the
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leading, you know, uh, genetics lab in the world right now.
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They're the ones bringing back.
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And they're working on bringing back mammoths and stuff.
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And so they, they, and they have like every canine in the world.
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Three years ago, maybe four animals.
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You weren't responsible for them bringing back the dire wolf.
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You gave them the DNA.
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They, they say, they have said that they have some other sources that it came from.
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So, so, but you know, who knows?
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So, but when this, when it came back, the results came back and this was, it was funny
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because we were filming our response to it and we had the whole team on, on, it was like
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a big old call and Brandon was on and all of us were yelling and fighting and swearing,
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not at each other, but at science.
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We were angry about science about this and like the producers are like, we should have
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just used this instead.
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Cause this was like the most entertaining TV we've seen because we were so mad about.
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So the results came back and basically, uh, 90%, 89%, basically 90% of it is a non-existent
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So the remaining 10% is, um, uh, Eurasian gray wolf and Greenland gray wolf.
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Those do not live in Utah.
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Those are not in the United States though.
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That alone should be a story, right?
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What's a Greenland they're separating.
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That alone is anomalous.
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So why are they there?
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But Colossal said, and I think they're trying to save their professionalism.
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They said, well, from this weekend, you know, confidently declare this as being a gray wolf.
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And I'm like, 10% of it is a gray wolf.
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What about the other 90%, 90% is the bulk of it.
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If your dog was 10% Chihuahua and the rest of it was wolf.
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You would say this is a wolf, right?
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You wouldn't say this is a Chihuahua, you know, it's like 90% of this is a new wolf.
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Um, and they put it on their list and they just put it down as mystery.
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They didn't want to declare it.
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They didn't want to call it a dire wolf.
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They didn't want to call it anything else.
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And they, they, they even, they have like every cane, they even have Papuan singing dogs genetically sequenced.
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And then fast forward a few years later, they're making a dire wolf.
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They're making a dire wolf.
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Seems a little suspicious.
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It's, it's suspicious.
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They, they, they say it's from some other sources, but, um, I don't, I don't know because I don't know that into things.
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That's, but I mean, that's a massive coincidence.
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It's at least noteworthy.
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If nothing else, it's, it's noteworthy.
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Definitely noteworthy.
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And again, the fact, if you're saying this is just a gray wolf, but only 10% of the DNA is a gray wolf and it's gray wolves that shouldn't be in Utah.
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You know, the, what is this 90%, what is this other wolf?
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I mean, isn't that even more exciting than it being a dire wolf?
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Especially for them to go, oh no, it's not a dire wolf.
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And then they immediately make a dire wolf.
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I mean, that to me, to me would raise a few flags for sure.
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Well, that's, I mean, incredibly anomalous and seems substantial and important.
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Um, and yet, you know, still not sufficient to say, oh, this is, you know, like we don't have, we don't have any, any, uh, provenance of this.
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Like where, where do they come from?
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Is this a one-off somehow that survived?
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Like you said, is it, you know, um, there's, there's a lot of these speculative, uh, questions that occur.
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Around these anomalies that seem to go unanswered.
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We, we now go to cattle, I guess, cause we, I mean, this is kind of related.
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It bit into one of these.
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Now the cattle that it bit into, the cow that it bit into.
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That was the one that got killed by the UFO.
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And, and this, this footage exists?
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I've probably seen this thing.
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Um, and it's so far back.
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So many other things happened.
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People are like, oh yeah.
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We can't see a UFO hover over a cow and kill it.
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It's like, that's big.
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And, but we've had other cattle too.
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Like the, the, if you ever watch the show, there's this calf and earlier in the day, it
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Uh, Thomas Winerton saw it running around.
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It was fine with all the other calves.
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And then all of a sudden, all the cattle just including its mother all back away on either
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side and it's running around in circles going crazy.
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And normally if that happens, a mother is going to come along and like, Hey, I'm here
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And even the mother backed away.
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And, um, its eyes had whited over it.
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Its brain had been like scrambled.
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They got it off the ranch.
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It's permanently blind now, but it's okay.
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But they said it looked like something energetically had affected its brain, you know, like
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radiation of the brain or something.
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Not mad cow disease or anything.
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They tested, they tested for everything they could.
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And they said it's healthy once they got it off the ranch and it was healthy earlier
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in the day and all of a sudden just running around in circles.
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So this other, this other cow that, that, um, had come up dead because of the, you know,
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after the UFO had appeared and it sort of fell over and it was all contorted.
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Did it, uh, exhibit the same symptoms as some of the other smaller mammals in terms of like
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Uh, no, it's with one exception.
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It seems like big animals do decompose.
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Like if we find a dead elk or a dead cow on the ranch, normally there's cattle that are
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mutilated on the ranch, but then you have the occasional cow that just seems to die.
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They do normally seem to decompose.
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Normally the one that the UFO seemed to have killed that one.
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It did decompose normally, except for there were no dermestid beetles.
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So once you get to a certain level of decomposition, I don't care.
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Small insects will take, take control.
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You put a chicken bone in your yard and within a week you're going to have dermestid beetles
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that show up out of nowhere.
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There were no dermestid beetles and there was some species of green, shiny decomposing beetle
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that I had not until I researched it, knowing that that species existed in Utah, but no dermestids
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and there's dermestids on the ranch.
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Um, but they would just avoid it as well as I guess any other small critter.
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So it, it seems like it did break down, like the gastrointestinal bacteria did break that
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thing down, but the spine just, the tendons just contorted it in these weird.
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And again, we, in paleontology and paleobiology, we call that the dinosaur death pose, but the
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cow did that perfectly.
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Just like, ah, it's, it's, it's wild looking.
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I'll, I'll, I'll send you pictures.
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When you see the dinosaur death pose, is that because of the fossils that we see of these
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So the, the tendons on dinosaurs and birds, they can, when, when the tendons start to dry
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on birds and dinosaurs, they contort this way.
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Mammals contort in the fetal position.
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And the, this cow contorted like a dinosaur.
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Uh, a human body would look like if it had a decompose and skinwalker and if perhaps
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one already has, you know, but obviously there's, you know, bear ancient burial grounds around
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But what, what would your suspicion be?
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Um, I don't know, but my question is do these things, do these things because they're on
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the ranch or because they're from the ranch?
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So what I want to do a test of is like, I don't bring it like a fryer chicken and put
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it out there and see how does that decompose?
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And then bring one from there.
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And have it die somewhere else.
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So you guys have not, uh, imported any dead bodies into the ranch?
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I feel like that's like an oversight.
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I feel like you guys should be.
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It's more just busy.
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Uh, just normally that's on the list of things to do.
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That's been on the list for three years.
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Uh, but that is something we want to do some onsite.
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Um, same thing with some mushroom, um, experiments we're going to do growing mycelium on there
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and different things and microbes, you know, take microbes on the ranch, grow them off,
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take off the ranch, grow them on.
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Uh, but it's just so busy, you know, and they, and, and when they're doing the filming, you
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know, we're usually focused on big end things.
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And so it's just finding time to fit the small stuff in.
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And there's a lot of things to do and a lot of hands in the pot as well.
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You know, from, again, from people studying the science, the physics, the archeology,
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the, the landscape, the, I mean, there's, there's lots to, there's lots to look at.
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Um, in terms of animals, there are some
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other anomalous, uh, stories, uh, one that you sort of told me over breakfast about a
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Can you tell me about that?
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You know, I always find it funny when people get worried about secret government files
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while simultaneously they post their entire lives online for free.
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And meanwhile, there are companies out there that know your home address, where you live,
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your phone number, your relatives, and, and even past addresses and relationships.
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And those companies, uh, they're data brokers.
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They're whole business is collecting your personal information and selling it quietly and constantly.
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Not the cool kind of mysterious hacker in a basement, but more like spreadsheets full
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And they're getting passed around like trading cards.
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That's why I use Incogni.
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Incogni contacts data brokers on your behalf and requests that your personal information
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be removed from their databases.
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So instead of you trying to hunt these companies down like some type of digital bounty hunter,
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Incogni handles that request and keeps following up.
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Which is great, because I already spent enough time going down rabbit holes online.
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I don't need a side quest trying to remove my phone number from 47 websites.
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If you want to take back some control over your data, go to incogni.com slash area52 and
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use code AREA52 to save 60% on an annual plan, because your privacy should not be declassified.
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So we wanted to bring some bio indicator species and we're very cautious about this.
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And some people immediately attack and say, how dare you bring animals onto the ranch?
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And that's dangerous.
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It's like, well, humans are animals and we're on the ranch and there's wild animals on the
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So in one sense, it's sixes.
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We're all at risk, right?
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But we're very cautious about it.
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Uh, so first I brought on owls.
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I brought a great horn owl and some barn owls and they would see owls have three dimensional
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One's pointed up, one's pointed down.
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These things aren't the ears.
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The ears are openings under the feathers.
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And they have, so they have three dimensional hearing.
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We'd bring them on the ranch and they'd bob.
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And they just like, they're focusing in on things that were not there.
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When we're out in the helicopter field and the, uh, the east field, they would just like,
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oh, and we just documented them seeing things.
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So I'm going to bring an owl out again in this year.
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Then we said, well, let's try flying some Falcons.
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So we brought out a couple of Peregrine Falcons and they each had on a radio transmitter and
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a three dimensional GPS transmitter.
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So two different, totally different ways of measuring things.
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So we first went and we're like, let's fly through the triangle.
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So Eric and I went up on the hill and there's the triangles, this anomalous zone on the ranch
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where crazy things happen.
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So I had my friend down below calling the Falcon in and while Eric and I were on the
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hill, the 3d GPS says we're bouncing up in the air and jumping all over the place.
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And we're just standing there.
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And so it's already wigging out.
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When the bird flew through the triangle, as it went through the triangle, the radio transmitter
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flared up both times.
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And then once the bird was on the ground, my buddy was picking it up.
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It said that he was like Spock in fast motion, you know, just like that.
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And he was just sitting there.
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So we did that twice.
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I thought, okay, that's kind of weird.
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Let's go to the East field.
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So we went to the East field.
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We start flying the Falcon.
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We're like, okay, that's interesting.
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Let's call it back down.
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It comes back down and we have a lure.
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It's like a fake bird.
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You swing around, you put it on the ground, the bird lands and you go pick them up.
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So my buddy does that.
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And right as it gets by the ground, it freaks out.
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It's like, ah, and it kind of like panics every time and goes back up a bit and goes
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to come back down there.
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Something on the ground was repelling it.
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It was something repulsed it from going down.
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It started going up, going up, going up and got to about 800 feet and the GPS blip start
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It's like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, and keeps going up, keeps going up.
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We're filming the TV crew is filming and all of a sudden the bird disappears.
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And we're like, well, my buddy's like my Falcon go.
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And then on the GPS, it reappears over the triangle, which is about a mile away.
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And so we go running over there.
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Instantly, instantly, immediately.
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And now the, and when it disappeared, no GPS, no radio signal.
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The second it reappears, the radio transmitter is working 100% correctly.
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We can see the bird radio transmitter is working.
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The GPS is now mirroring the bird's motions, but it's in the wrong place.
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It's in the wrong place.
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And when we got the bird back and pulled up the data, it says the bird went through the mesa.
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Which is impossible.
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And it's important to note, if you follow this stuff, if you watch the TV show, where the bird went in the mesa, we have at night, a white orb that goes into the mesa, that same spot.
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And there's another season where Brandon's flying in the helicopter at sunset, still daylight, and a white orb comes out of the mesa below him.
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That is the same place where the Falcon went in and where the Falcon reappeared.
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So you got to piece those things together.
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Maybe they're related.
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The Falcon, 100% fine.
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It was kind of like, oh, a little alarmed, but it was fine, healthy.
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Birds alive and happy today, still being flown.
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But that's impossible.
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They didn't put it on the show just because they, sometimes you'll put it later on in the season or you'll put it in the next season and like, oh, that was this season.
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But there were some people in those shots that aren't on the show anymore.
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And so like, oh, well, now we can't do this.
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And I'm like, this is really important.
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It should still be released.
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You don't have access to that footage.
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I don't, I have access to the GPS.
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I have the GPS data, which I have, I, I bet I can get permission to share that, but I haven't been given permission.
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But I have, I got, Brandon gave me permission to share this story because I'm like, this needs to be out there.
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If it's never going to be on the show, the world needs to know that.
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I mean, a teleporting bird is quite substantial, especially if you got it on camera disappearing and then reappearing elsewhere.
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Where, you know, as a magician, I would, uh, you know, obviously, oh, it's just two identical birds.
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You know, it's the old twin trick, the old prestige illusion.
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Well, and we had, we also had when those of us, cause I was filming with my camera, Eric Bard was holding my phone and filming.
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And a lot of us were hand filming.
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And I, I know, I don't remember who else's, but I know for sure my camera while it was filming just shut off and battery a hundred percent dead.
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And I know a couple other people were having issues while they were filming it right before the bird disappeared.
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That seems to be par for the course there as well.
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It's just like phones scrambled, like you said, or uncharging or just shutting off or not working.
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What are some of the other things that you were not allowed to talk about previously?
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Um, I mean, one of the, one of the ones is there's, there seems to be a jaguar on the ranch and we filmed it also.
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Um, which this brings up a lot of different points.
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So jaguars were, they ranged all the way to Canada during the ice age.
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People think of a jaguar as being tropical or desert, uh, but they used to range all the way up north.
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And supposedly regular jaguars and the ice age jaguar, which both lived at the same time.
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Now we only have the one supposedly they shouldn't really be any further north than like Arizona.
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But we started seeing on the ranch, Utah is in a 25 year drought.
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Um, it's just prey populations, animal populations are rock bottom.
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And all of a sudden on the ranch, all the population started to explode.
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Um, pheasants, quail, magpies, ground squirrels, prairie dogs, jackrabbits, cottontails, turkeys just started to explode.
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Which suggests that a carnivore that eats them like a coyote is being kicked out.
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And, um, we started to find these giant cat prints, which we just assumed, oh, it's a big cougar, you know, something like that.
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Um, but then we started to also have scat samples, uh, that we took and they had coyote guard hairs in them and raccoons.
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So something is killing and eating coyotes and killing and eating raccoons.
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Now wolves don't eat coyotes.
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It's kind of like you wouldn't need a chimpanzee.
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That would seem weird.
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We're too closely related.
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It's kind of like it's eating a cousin, right?
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Wolves kill coyotes, but they don't eat them.
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Whatever this is doing, it's killing and eating coyotes and killing and eating raccoons and hunting from the water.
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It's going along the little river there, which jaguars do.
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And then, um, we had, uh, the, uh, Caleb on this head of security there.
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He, uh, one of his friends just off the ranch filmed, and I've got this footage, uh, black jaguar and it's shiny.
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And I've gone to the site and checked the size and shape of all the bush there and everything.
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It's like, uh, it's a daytime black jaguar just off the ranch.
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And it's like, okay, is this, this it, is this the big cat?
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Um, you would had people have said, well, if that's the case, okay.
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Is this just a jaguar that's moved up north?
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Or is this a portal opening up from the past?
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Is it a modern jaguar?
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Is it a prehistoric jaguar?
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Don't know, but it's that, that should be far bigger news.
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And I don't know why, but that is not catching.
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People are not talking about that.
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And it's like, even if.
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Cause we have jaguars.
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Unfortunately, unfortunately, you know, you could take a Bengal tiger and, and just drop
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it in central London and, or, you know what I mean?
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And people would be like, wow, it's just somebody's pet.
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You know, it, it, it wouldn't, um, the significance of it wouldn't resonate with most people, I think.
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And, and I think that's part of the issue with a lot of the scientific approach to the phenomenon
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itself, because in a vacuum individually, whether it's through geology, paleontology,
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ancient architecture, uh, physics, like all of these individual platforms will showcase
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highly anomalous and seemingly groundbreaking truths.
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But to the general lay audience, it'll just seem like semantics or, or, or like, oh, it's,
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this is just their jargon.
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And it's not really relatable or translatable to the general populace, which is why, you know,
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I would, yeah, I think they want to see a flying saucer.
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They want to see a, you know, a little green man or whatever.
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Um, but yeah, I mean, I always tell people, I'm like, Hey, if a UFO comes over and lands
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and a little alien gets out and says, hi, that's.
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But it's not more profound than if you have decomposition halted, almost like the animal
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is suspended in time.
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It's like, if you have no internal gastrointestinal bacteria doing anything, no external bacteria
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doing anything, rigor mortis, not setting in no scavengers bothering it.
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That is breaking the known laws of nature and of physics.
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A UFO coming and saying hi is more amazing, but it's not more profound.
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You're not breaking anything.
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You know, but yet I would, I would rather see that.
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But this over here is actually far stranger.
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I mean, it just, it's, we don't see it that way, but that's how it actually is.
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So like, it's interesting too, to think about this just because the, the decomposition,
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like you said, right there, something stuck with me that, that it's paused almost like
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it's suspended in time.
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Does that not also affect the living?
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We have seen issues with time happen.
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Um, that has been documented on the ranch and even on the show, um, small differentiations
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in time, uh, that definitely have happened.
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There's kind of like a bubble over the ranch.
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They, they called it the cone and then the dome and now they call it the bubble.
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So there's a region.
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It's not quite a mile wide and it's not, it doesn't stay.
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It kind of moves a little, you know, give or take 20 feet on either side.
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But what's really weird about this is.
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For example, like little things like ants, who cares about ants, but yeah, these are
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bio indicator species outside of the bubble and hills, normal.
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It's high piled up silica.
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Get rid of all the organics, get rid of the dust.
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So it's a big old solar panel.
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Warm up the colony at sunrise.
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They make this, I'll send you pictures inside.
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It's this stupid thing.
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It's not, it's got grass all around it.
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And in it, it's not even an ant colony.
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It doesn't look like an ant colony at all.
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And it would not allow them to warm up.
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And on the border, the ants are going crazy.
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If you are on, we, we put, uh, posts all around the border of this bubble and we were just
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there and these ants started attacking us and we filmed them.
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They're just running around in circles.
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Like in this big of an area, they're just like, it's like, they're going crazy.
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They're not harvesting.
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They're not defending or attacking.
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They're just going around in circles.
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Like their brains are being fried.
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And so we're like, oh, let's, let's get away from this area because if this is happening to them, what's
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happening to us being right here?
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That was my next question is like, isn't that what you guys are doing too?
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Kind of going around in circles, trying to measure this stuff, you know, like it is, it is
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interesting when you're like, whatever it is you're measuring seems to be changing.
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Um, you know, there's, there's always that sort of philosophical question or even deeply scientific
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question of, you know, can anything truly, is anything truly measurable?
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You know, because if it knows it's being observed, if it's conscious on some level, then what you're
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getting is, you know, it's askew.
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It's not, um, perfect.
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Uh, so do you, do you think that there's any merit to measuring anything at all there?
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Like, I mean, cause it feels like it's just always appealing to.
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You gotta have something, you gotta have some sort of language and, and math and measurements
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are kind of the language of science.
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Uh, what we've seen is that all, all the religious folk are using scientific terms and all the
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scientists are using religious terms because none of us have a vocabulary to describe this
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Like if we say, Hey, a portal, uh, you're gonna picture Rick and Morty, right?
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Warm a portal opens up.
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But that's, we're just, that's a term that we all know.
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And that's actually a clunky term.
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Some of these port, these portals that happen on the triangle, they seem to not just be point
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A to point B, you know, and we're measuring them with these different instruments.
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It's like, is it coming through time?
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Is it coming through space?
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So portal is a clunky term.
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It's a good term because you get the general idea, but we don't know what it is, but we
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gotta have something.
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The phenomenon is always one step ahead of us.
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And sometimes it's, it's tricksterish or occasionally mean, and occasionally it even
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attacks people, but it also will kind of lead you along.
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Like, Hey, look over here.
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I'm going to teach you a little more.
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Uh, you, you learn, I'm going to teach you a little more.
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Um, but you have to, you have to have something.
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Small animals don't decompose.
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Big animals do decompose.
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If you're in the water, you do seem to decompose.
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That's those are measurable.
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That's I've, I've put those ground rules on.
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They might not apply at all.
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Maybe it's just random.
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Maybe that's just what I've found in certain instances, and maybe it doesn't apply elsewhere,
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but I'm just trying to make a framework.
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That's what we're trying to do.
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It seems like that's the toughest thing to do there because even creating a framework
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based on what we already know doesn't seem to be working.
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Because we grew up with certain rules, rules of nature, rules of physics, and they don't
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seem to apply there.
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So what are the rules then you, you don't know?
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And how do you take a measurement if you say, okay, this is, this is 10 inches long.
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Well, if an inch isn't actually an inch and sometimes an inch is three inches.
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It's like, what are you talking about?
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That doesn't make sense.
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So you, that's what it's like.
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So from, from your own personal knowledge and your own personal speculation, what's in
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Uh, is that something you can talk about?
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I can't talk much about it.
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Um, I can talk some about what's on the show.
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It doesn't make sense.
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Well, I will say this.
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I think okay to say this.
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If you watch this, if you get, if you go on Google earth and Google maps and look over
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the years and if you watch the show, so I'm just sharing what you should be able to see
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The Mesa is that area is sinking in on itself and has been steadily.
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If, when you look at it, like first season, it's almost that section is pretty normal.
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And where the thing is in the Mesa seems to be moving in and noticeably.
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So watch from season one until now.
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And you'll be like, oh gee.
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And that's been discussed.
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I don't think it's been discussed on the show, but all of us are like, um, what's going on
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It's, it's, it seems to be moving in, in that area.
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Cause the Mesa definitely seems to be like the crux of, of a lot of this activity.
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And obviously also a giant, uh, accelerator for, you know, the phenomenon, but also for
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Like, I mean, let's be honest.
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Like, I mean, the mystery stays alive.
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People tune in every week.
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They want to see what happens.
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What percentage of that hype is related to, uh, the show wanting to have another season
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versus man, there's genuinely something here that we're really interested in, but we don't
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have the capacity to get in there.
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It's, it's, it's a hundred percent legitimate.
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I think, um, we, the people default to what they picture in the head.
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Like I said, you know, if you say portal, you picture Rick and Morty and you get to
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visual, you get right.
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And I've seen, I'll, I'll tell you later on, if you want, I'll tell you a story where
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I saw a portal, um, and we witnessed it.
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If you say there's something in the Mesa, what do you probably picture?
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A UFO, probably picture some saucer in there and we just got to get to it.
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Well, whatever's going on there is more abstract.
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We found a material that we can deconstruct under radiation and then rebuilds itself.
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We found green leaves dating back to the Eocene, which is impossible.
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And then you take them out and they dry out.
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It's like, okay, that's what are you doing?
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Hundreds of feet down in a Mesa.
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They found ceramics with, uh, um, atomic layering, you know, amazing material.
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I don't, I'm not privy to a lot of that.
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I know a lot of that is coming out soon.
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Some of the materials they found in the Mesa, but they also found like, I think a penny deep
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Were people down there in the past?
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I think it was like 1920s or 1930s, 40s, something like that.
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Penny they found in there deep in the Mesa.
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How can that be there?
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Was the Mesa, did it used to be open?
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Or is there that have something to do with time?
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Or is that the phenomenon showing us something?
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Or some type of like, by, by the sound of this, it sounds like there might be some type
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of, uh, mine or something down there.
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Like, I mean, if it's collapsing in on itself, that would make sense.
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A penny would make sense.
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So what, whatever's going on there, it, it, I think it's more abstract.
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I think we want the visual of there is an object in the Mesa.
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We got to get to it.
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Whatever is happening there and the things coming out of it.
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I think it's more abstract than that.
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I mean, it could just be simply, yeah, UFOs there, you know, some craft crashing there along.
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It could be absolutely.
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But I think we default to that because we're drawn to the unknown, but we don't want the,
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we don't want a nebulous answer.
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We want here's the unknown and here's the known it's a craft.
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Cause it's just like, you know, as, as an outsider looking in, you know, we're familiar
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with, uh, you know, there's a show on TV called, um, it's, uh, what was it?
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Not skull island, but.
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It's in Canada as well.
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I should know this, uh, but the secret of Oak Island and the, it feels like they keep
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leading you on every season.
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You're just like, ah, we're not, we're going to get it.
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We're going to get it.
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And like, the more I watch skin Walker, the more I get this feeling now that I'm like,
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can't we just like get in there?
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Can't we just, you know, we, we have, it seems like we have the financial resources to
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Um, but then, you know, the machinery starts breaking down or like the, the, the technology
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starts going haywire.
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It always feels like a convenient sort of a thing that happens that protects this area
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and convenient in the sense that like, this is also the area that people want to see on
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So you understand my, uh, slight frustration and not, not, I'm still entertained by it
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thoroughly, but there is, there is this feeling.
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And I think a lot of people also feel that to a certain extent.
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Um, what part of that for you is completely true that, yeah, there is that factor here
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where we just want to, you know, film a TV show and we have to be careful or no, there's
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just no way of getting in there.
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Like, uh, what is that?
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So, um, among the people who are on the show and among the different scientists, the people
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on the team, we get frustrated because first of all, the amount of shows they put on, you
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can't show all that happens.
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Uh, a lot of times the editors, there's too much, there's too much.
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And a lot of times the editors will pick and choose and they'll say, so it's not the
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It's the editors will say, well, Hey, we think this over here makes for a compelling TV.
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And it's like, but this thing that doesn't seem like, again, it's not the team.
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A lack of decomposition, time being frozen, um, desert trumpet plants growing in wackadoodle
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ways in certain areas.
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Some of these things that have happened, we've, okay.
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I can only lose it because they might use it at some point.
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We caught a flying mammal on camera that doesn't exist.
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I'll just say that much.
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It's like, I did ask Brandon to be able to say that much, but they might use it, but it's
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Why aren't we saying that?
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Well, because some of these things are more compelling and they're going to draw people
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And it's like flying mammal, mammal, the powered flight.
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No, no, um, no, not a bat, not a flying squirrel.
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I'm running out of options here.
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Long, weird, curlied in whiskers.
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Almost like a binturong.
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If you ever see those curled in whiskers, long tail, not a web tail.
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So I probably shouldn't say more than that, but we've got to document it.
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If, if, if they don't, if they don't let us put that in the show, then, then let's, then
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I'll say, Hey, Brandon, can we pretty, please get this information out there?
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Um, because if you know.
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But it seems like scientific discovery is then taking a backseat to.
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On the show, but not on the actual investigation.
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So you guys are investigating.
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In, in, in, in a really formal and professional capacity.
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You're just not releasing that information.
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And, um, I, and some of it, I mean, there's some of it's just barely off the ranch.
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Cause the whole, you into basin where Skinwalker ranch is, it's almost like a funnel.
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And, and like the, the most happens on the ranch, but that whole basin is weird.
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People are seeing UFOs all the time.
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People were seeing weird shape shifting things, but it seems to the epicenter is the ranch.
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And I mean, um, uh, Caleb and Nathan had me come out, you know, a few weeks ago to check
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out this cow that died and wasn't decomposing and we, no bloating and we were docking and
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it was just barely off the ranch and it was healthy and just died.
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And they're like, what's this?
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And nothing, no scavengers would touch it.
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So we put game cameras up on it and nothing was bothering it.
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We had a Raven come up and like, uh, and a coyote came up to it and ran off.
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Don't know what that means, but I mean, these kinds of things aren't gonna end up in the
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That one was just barely off the ranch.
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So, uh, there's so much year round that's happening there.
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And the, the Skinwalker rancher insiders that helps, you know, where we can year round
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have people keeping eyes on the cameras.
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But there, yeah, there's a lot that just probably will never come out.
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What's something that you would do differently if you were in charge of all this?
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Not, and I'm not saying that in a way that like, you know, better than anybody.
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But I'm just, I'm, I'm curious about like where your head's at.
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What would you prioritize?
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Um, I would, I would say, let's make a list of what we do know or the, okay.
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We here's the known rules of the universe.
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Here's what we think the rules on the ranch.
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Like I told you the thing about decomposition.
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What do we think the rules are?
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And let's test what we think the new rules are, you know, let, and each of our fields,
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let's go through and say, let's, you know, specify some new experiments to test whether
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or not these new perceived rules are the rules.
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Um, that's, that's what I would do.
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That's what I would focus on.
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Um, you know, maybe not on camera, but you know, that's, that's where I'd put my effort.
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Cause it seems like that's pretty substantial in, in, in terms of just specifically the
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decomposition or the, I guess, halting of decomposition or, or, or slowing down, whatever,
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Um, could essentially be very beneficial for studying things.
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You know, if, if we had the ability to mummify things, uh, in a way that preserved their organs,
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um, and didn't necessarily destroy the tissue.
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Uh, I, I feel like that would be a breakthrough for paleontology, for biology, for all types.
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And even perhaps, you know, answering some of the questions on, you know, um, the preservation
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of youth or the longevity of our own lifespan.
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It's like, I mean, it feels related.
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Whatever it is, you know, we should have a better understanding of it because it's not
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just, it's internal and external.
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And other life forms.
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Again, if scavengers coming up are like.
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What's, what's doing that?
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So, and I, we, we, we, the cattle mutilations too.
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It's like, I was so skeptical of cattle mutilations growing up.
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You know, I've heard about it my whole life.
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Um, but then as I've started on both on the ranch and as I've talked with other people
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in other cases and, uh, move on has a really good record of them and they've helped me and
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I've gone out to some of these sites.
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It's like, uh, there actually is something to this.
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I did not want to admit that.
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I'm admitting that not all of them, but there absolutely is something to it.
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And we, the joke is, I don't know if you remember, um, the star Trek where they went
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back to get the whales.
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There's a star Trek episode where they go back in time.
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There's this probe that comes from space and it's shooting this, this beam at the earth.
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And it's like causing all this chaos in these oceans.
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And they turned out, well, it's actually, it's trying to communicate with whales, but we've
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made whales extinct.
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So they go back in time and bring some whales back and, and like Spock says, if we were
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to assume that this message was meant for humans, that shows our arrogance because maybe it's
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for another life form.
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And it was, it was for whales.
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Maybe cattle are what matter.
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Maybe, maybe aliens are coming from somewhere.
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They don't care about us, but they're curious about cattle.
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People, people in India would be, would be right about a lot of things in that case.
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Which I don't say that's what it is, but I'm just saying you gotta be open to the possibility
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And you should listen.
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Not every theory is going to be equal value, but it is valuable to hear it.
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The bovine is a sacred animal in many cultures.
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It also is one of the only, uh, species that were sort of compatible with on, in like,
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uh, I believe like the plasma or something, something to do with the blood.
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Like bovine blood, especially, uh, I think fetuses.
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Um, and I'm not a biologist by any, in any, by any means, but I, I've read that there are
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some similarities there as well as even, um, the, the sort of tallow, how it's like, uh,
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It's, it, our skin recognizes it as our own.
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And so like, there's, there's all this like overlap between us and, and bovine that seems
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to, uh, seems to be related.
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And if that's the case, then, you know, it, it, I don't know.
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It makes for interesting speculation.
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I, I had a guest in here recently that was talking about, you know, his alleged, um, alien abductions.
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And he was then sort of deferring to the, the idea that they feed on blood somehow.
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Like, but, um, is it's consumed not orally, but like.
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And that it would, it would make sense that their blood would be sort of compatible if
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I take a piss in the snow.
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You're going to see it, right?
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Let alone if a drop of blood touches the snow.
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These things have no blood in them
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and there's no blood around them.
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No tracks leading up or going to or from them.
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They're just dead on their side,
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you know, with these holes bored in them
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and with no blood left.
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Like, what are you supposed to make of that?
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Like, how do you frame that
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in a way that makes any sense?
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And I think hearing way out there theories
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is important because even if it's wrong,
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it's going to get you to think outside of your mindset
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and then you're going to make the real connection
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of what it is over here.
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So I think it's good to hear all these things.
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They're thought experiments.
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Even if you don't agree with it
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or you think, oh, this is crazy.
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But tell me anyways,
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because I want the thought experience
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because it's going to get your mind going.
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Because we work in these bubbles,
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you know, and you need somebody
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to think outside of the box
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and to share a different perspective
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to help you make new perspectives
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than the perspective they're sharing.
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I don't have a working theory
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on what the cattle mutilation thing is.
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Again, my brain goes to, you know,
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You know, that's the visual I get.
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You say, portal, bam,
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Rick and Morty appears in my head.
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Well, whatever it is,
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the phenomenon is real.
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but it absolutely is.
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and I feel like my theories
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are painfully lacking
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of course the brain goes to,
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non-human intelligence.
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But it could be something
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that we don't even know.
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that, that is intelligent
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but that has nothing to do
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you know, intelligence.
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Uh, that's so fascinating.
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I'm very fascinated by all this.
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other biological anomalies
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that occur on the ranch,
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what else sticks out to you?
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I know you mentioned
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something about plants.
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So, so one of the things
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we call it the runway
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in what looks like a runway
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and we don't understand it.
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And there's a plant,
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it's called golden hairy aster.
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It's kind of a wild name there,
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it was growing normal.
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the leaves were growing.
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they had been radiated.
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they looked all like
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when radiation hits a life form,
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it mutates the cells
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reproduce, reproduce.
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So they were doing that
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it should be in the ground.
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the plants themselves
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versus on either side of it.
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are they growing differently?
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Are they affected by this?
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that I love this plant.
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a desert trumpet plant.
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It's in the buckwheat family.
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a lot of misinformation
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in these weird bulbs.
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like in the seventies
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but it's such a strange
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based an alien life form
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It's a really cool plant,
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I wrote up the formula
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and on this one part
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go to the second stage
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so plants grow in stages.
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And so the assumption
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with this golden aster,
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at this one growth stage,
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And that's the same field
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are telling us things too.
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if you look and listen
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to what they're saying,
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the frogs are on the ranch.
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about that breakfast
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if you want to go back
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that was really interesting.
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the path of the skinwalker.
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The path of the skinwalker.
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What is that exactly?
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too much into politics,
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every tribe is going
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to share their history
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through their own voice,
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what is told is that
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and the Navajo tribe,
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and had some bad things
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happen between them.
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that goes from the south,
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from Navajo land up north
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to the Ute reservation,
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right through skinwalker ranch
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and along a very specific path.
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going along that path.
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And there's petroglyphs
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It's a very specific thing.
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ooh, loosely the path
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Have you walked this path?
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Anything weird happen to you?
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lots of cattle mutilations
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have happened there.
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If you watch the show,
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a really specific nest.
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a stick nest around it
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with walls and a ceiling
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but they build it wrong.
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Like their orientation
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their axis is wrong.
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And so the eggs fall out
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and they lay more eggs.
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and they do it every year.
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They'll build a new nest.
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And it's all crooked
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and the eggs keep falling out.
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and again and again,
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And what do compasses,
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in that area as well?
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to be like a geomagnetic
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But the weird thing is
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like a regular compass
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will about half the time
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and half the time it works.
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the anomaly is like,
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And it'll like spin it
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all kinds of crazy things.
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you have a real compass
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I'm messing with you a little.
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But if it's digital,
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because this should not
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like if I went there,
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do you think they would,
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they would give me a tour?
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if we connected with Brandon.
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I have his phone number.
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We've spoken maybe a year ago
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because I have some friends
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and they know Brandon
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and they're putting me
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in touch and whatnot,
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but I know he's a busy guy.
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and if you can get him
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he'd probably be open to that.
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but he loves to help people
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information out there.
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I think he'd be very open to it.
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It'd be interesting.
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who talked to me about
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is this hitchhiker effect.
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that by visiting this place,
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that will follow you
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Have you experienced
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the hitchhiker effect?
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I am one of the only people
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And I'm grateful for that.
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Just about everybody
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there's other contractors
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that maybe come like
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but just about everybody
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some sort of a skin,
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some sort of a hitchhiker
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effect happen to them.
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I think more strange
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kind of in the paranormal,
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kind of more of like
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in the ghostly type stuff
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than most people have
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that I've talked to.
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I've had basically nothing.
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What's your explanation
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What makes you immune?
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wanting to understand
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there's something here.
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I want to understand it.
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very much want to understand it.
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that's what I love about it.
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when I had this opportunity,
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I don't want an anecdotal story.
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I want to know firsthand.
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I want my own photos,
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and for anybody else,
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now it's anecdotal to them.
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And if you don't believe me,
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You don't believe me.
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I'm just sharing the experiences,
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and do what you want with it.
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I'm just reporting back
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because I've been grateful
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for this opportunity
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And I want other minds on it.
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I'm making assumptions
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that might not be connected.
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They might have not,
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might be totally unrelated.
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It might just be coincidental.
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running around up there,
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a totally unrelated thing.
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And then the biologist says,
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oh, this is connected.
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And so having other people
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and questioning it is good.
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So you think your open-mindedness
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this hitchhiker effect
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I think it is instead,
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the trickster element.
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I've had a lot of experiences,
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some of them I don't share publicly,
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that seem to be like
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it's trying to show me
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I've had more teaching moments,
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I think a lot of the people
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with healthy skepticism.
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A lot of them have no background
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in this kind of stuff.
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A skeptic is a predetermined,
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show me the evidence
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and let me make my assumption.
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It's good to be skeptical.
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But I think there's so many people
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who come in so brash
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don't want to be made a fool.
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I don't care to be a fool.
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I don't mind being wrong.
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And so I've had a lot of instances
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where kind of the trickster element,
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I think among everybody there,
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my phone has been hacked
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I think it's only happened twice.
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It was like the first season there.
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That's so crazy to me
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that your phone's been hacked in twice
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and it's happened the least.
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have to replace their phones.
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If I'm going there with my phone,
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you're saying there's a 100% chance
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that my phone will act up?
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I would document the hell out of my phone.
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Get a second phone and film it.
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not a phone to film my phone
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because that'll act up too.
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it ruins their phone completely
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and they have to get a new one.
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Um, and so, you know.
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So you're saying that
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on some conscious level.
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It behaves that way.
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Of what your intention is.
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And it knows ahead of time.
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what do you mean it knows ahead of time?
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it somehow it can anticipate.
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If you're going to do an experiment,
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it knows what the experiment's going to be.
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Do you ever have things that happened to you
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before going to Skinwalker Ranch
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that are sort of in hindsight,
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oh, it was preparing me
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or it was showing me
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or it was telling me something?
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There's been things that,
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that might just be synchronicity.
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It might be you're seeing what you want to see
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and I can't rule that out.
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But there's some things where like,
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or have a conversation ahead of time
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and then I get to the ranch.
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It'll feel just totally synchronous.
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Which that could just be coincidence.
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Could be also like a
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synchronicity generator happening
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I wouldn't completely put it past,
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like if we're also delving into
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this sort of paranormal
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or transdimensional,
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the idea that synchronicities
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might also be enhanced
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in and around this place,
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I think would be fair to say.
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I'm trying to like build up armor here
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an eventual trek to this area.
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And I might, you know,
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I think I do have a healthy balance
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but open-mindedness.
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this is actually helping me,
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uh, prepare because I hear
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about these stories.
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And although, you know,
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part of me wants to chalk it up
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to confirmation bias,
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the suggestion is very powerful
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if you're completely against
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being hypnotized and you're like,
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I don't believe in hypnosis
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and you'll never hypnotize me.
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you won't be able to,
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but then if your best friend
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since you were a child,
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I hypnotize them in front of you,
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something in the back of your mind
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and your subconscious changes.
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You might still say,
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or you'll never get me,
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but something fundamentally changes
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to where now you're able
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to being hypnotized.
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I, I think about that a lot
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when this hitchhiker effect occurs
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and you have these skeptics
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these staunch sort of debunkers
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and they're the ones
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who seem to be affected the most.
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I don't like saying it.
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I love everybody who's,
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everybody I've met up there
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the people doing the research
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and people doing security
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and even the film crew,
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I've worked with film crews
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there's always some drama, right?
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These are good people.
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A lot of them are skeptical too,
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Hey, we're just going to film this
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But I have seen that if,
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so if you go to the ranch,
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just come with that.
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I just want to learn.
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I want to experience.
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I might have a little confirmation bias
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that might be kind of leading me on.
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and it'll show you things.
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that's always been my attitude,
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this is the portal story.
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Let's get into this.
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But this is one of those ones
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where I kind of questioned it
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It was kind of interesting.
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let's go do some astrophotography
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and it's great night,
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So we went over to this area,
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and we put up our camera,
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start taking pictures.
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And this isn't important,
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I share this as part of the story.
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we heard something going along the Creek
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maybe it was just a coyote or raccoon,
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but all the frogs and crickets stopped,
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And we got this kind of creepy feeling.
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Who cares about feelings?
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that kind of creeped us out for a bit,
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but then it went away
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and that feeling got away
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and went back to normal.
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We got all this great photos.
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We're having a good time.
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sometimes this ranch is really creepy feeling.
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And sometimes like right now,
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it just feels like a regular,
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beautiful old ranch in Northern Utah.
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I know what you mean.
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beautiful place at night.
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And the second we both said that,
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if you shoot a 22 bullet across the desert,
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and also if you've ever been on a frozen lake,
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that breaking sound,
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You're pretty good at those sounds,
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It's those two sounds together.
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And we both turn to it.
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And we look over and about eight,
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and it had already started.
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We see an expansion ring coming out.
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but it was not self-illuminating.
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it was expanding out so fast horizontally that if you've ever seen like explosions in slow motion,
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where the shock wave that comes right,
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sometimes compress and make water vapor.
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It was a water vapor ring from the speed of it coming out.
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And it was illuminated by the stars.
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It wasn't producing light,
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but it was reflecting the star light out.
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we just see this and we're like,
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and it probably was about eight,
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10 feet out when we looked over and it got to about 40 feet.
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let's get out of here.
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So we packed up our stuff and we start walking towards,
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homestead one and the command center right next to each other.
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We're going towards them.
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And all of a sudden the command center,
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the lights go and go off and then go back on.
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And Tom came out and he's like,
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I was looking for you guys.
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the power just went out.
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I was in the ranch house,
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power didn't go out.
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And I know it went off in the command center.
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They're on the same breaker.
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they both go off and we're like,
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And so I don't know what to make of that,
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but I kind of take it to mean that the ranch was like,
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just a normal ranch,
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You experienced too much already.
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How dare you say that?
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Maybe that's not it.
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Maybe it's totally unrelated.
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Some explosion out there,
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some weird EMP bomb or I don't even know.
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the timing was immediate and it,
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that sound and just that expansion.
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I don't think it was the same thing,
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but you understand in the Bigelow era that,
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vertical portals and things coming through them.
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So I don't know if that's the same thing,
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would you go towards it?
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you're about to see this go towards,
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but I was too spooked at the time.
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it shocked me too much.
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there's things like that.
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I would have probably had the same reaction.
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let's get the hell out of here.
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should have walked towards it.
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We'll hear voices on the ranch and usually you walk away from them.
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sometimes walk towards them.
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What kind of voices?
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this is at Homestead.
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This is a Homestead three.
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It's the far west end of the ranch.
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Tom and Candace is my first time there.
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And they're taking me on a tour around.
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there's a native American medicine man there with us.
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And he was blessing the dog who lives there,
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who had been attacked the week earlier.
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what did you get attacked by?
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what are you going to give me more than that?
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But I was just getting to know them.
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I didn't know him yet.
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So I didn't press it.
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so that medicine man came to give the dog a blessing.
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And so then they're showing me.
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The medicine man or the dog?
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The medicine man was giving the dog a blessing.
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The cone was on the dog.
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The cone was on the dog.
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And so they took me out.
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And so we're showing homestead one,
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homestead two and homestead three.
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like 30 feet away from them.
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and they were showing me some stuff.
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I walked away and I was looking out there and I was just,
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and I started hearing voices that sounded native American.
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I was adopted by the Kikri Cherokee tribe.
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I speak a little bit of Cherokee.
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Cherokee is not a Utah tribe in any way,
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But I start hearing these voices and I'm leaning,
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And I started speaking Cherokee at it.
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and that's my default.
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It's nothing to do with Ute language,
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and those voices were like,
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it was almost like they heard me and couldn't see me and started like,
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And what is these voices?
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kind of like listening,
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trying to strain in.
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And I told her what happened.
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why were you so worried?
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And apparently the week before somebody had been sitting,
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standing in that exact same spot and had been looking the same direction,
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had gone catatonic and collapsed and had to be taken off the ranch.
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And so they were thinking that's what was happening to me.
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but those were the first voices I heard on the ranch.
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if I witnessed you just starting to speak Cherokee into a dark void,
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I would also be concerned.
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and then like my first night on the ranch,
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this is anecdotal story.
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I'm sharing what happened.
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If you don't believe me,
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You have your right not to believe me.
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Eric wasn't living on the ranch.
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He was coming on and off.
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And so I was in the,
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main bedroom in the command center.
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this is kind of weird.
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You don't have internet working there on your phone,
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even though it's really close to civilization.
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so I'm not really connected to the outside world.
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I'm alone in this house.
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Everybody else is in Tom and Candace's house.
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So I have the lights on in the bedroom and I'm like feeling a little creeped out and just feeling a little vulnerable.
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And so I'm leaning over on my side and I'm just like looking at pictures from the day of the phone.
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the blankets pulled up on me.
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And all of a sudden I feel something.
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And I look down and the blankets are getting pulled off.
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Not like falling off.
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These are like really coarse,
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crappy material blankets,
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And it's like something is pulling them off and it goes almost all the way off the bed.
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So I grab them and I pull it back up.
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I just got to ignore this.
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I can't acknowledge this.
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And so I'm still looking at my phone again and it starts happening again.
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And they pull almost all the way off.
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I literally don't have the brain length.
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wait to handle this.
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So I bundled them in my legs and like,
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there's a hundred percent on the bed.
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Nothing's hanging off the bed.
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you're taking me off.
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If you're taking these blankets off.
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And I just turned on like a,
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an audio book and slept with the lights on.
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That's one of the scariest things ever.
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And so all the rest of the nights,
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I need to sleep over here with you guys in the,
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And that was even worse because they,
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They had the door open and they had guns by every door that Tom and
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Candace made that ranch house.
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It was like a beautiful hippie place.
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It had like prisms and all the windows and stuff.
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it's rainbow o'clock,
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but they had guns by every door because things they're like,
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something came in and attacked the dog from the door.
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So the screen door's there.
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I'm sleeping on an air mattress in there with these guns.
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It's so weird because it,
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but it's so beautiful.
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It seems sometimes so malicious and sometimes it's just,
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come and learn things.
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What's your conviction level like before,
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did you go in thinking,
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there's something here.
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And you left thinking,
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there's definitely something here.
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I don't really know what to expect.
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And now you're a hundred percent in like,
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where's your conviction on a percentage level of the phenomenon being.
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That something is interacting with you.
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I thought people think it's up here and I think they've inflamed it up.
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I think it's probably,
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there's some weirdness going on.
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It's probably around here and people have,
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people like a good story.
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That's a healthy way to think.
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but now having been on the ranch,
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and the thing that pisses me off scientifically is it makes zero,
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here's a place where people see Bigfoot a lot.
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I don't know if Bigfoot's real or not.
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I've seen Bigfoot and I don't know if Bigfoot's real.
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But if you just said that,
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or here's a place where we saw a UFO.
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But what does that have to do with prehistoric animals coming through portals?
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What does that have to do with cattle mutilations?
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What does it have to do with decomposition not happening?
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These things should not overlap.
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They're weird enough as they are.
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They shouldn't overlap and they do.
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And I can verify that for myself.
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So if nobody believes me,
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because I've experienced it a hundred percent.
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And I've seen some of the greatest scientists I've ever had a chance to work with
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also see this firsthand and see it,
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like make them scratch their heads.
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And some of them get attacked,
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What's the most important discovery during your time there
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even outside of yourself,
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that was made while you were there?
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that's a tough one because is it more about what is profound?
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I think the fact that we've got UFOs on camera,
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that's not the most important,
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but I think that's pretty low hanging fruit.
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it's like UFO killed a cow,
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cow spirals and goes wackadoodle,
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and then a dire wolf or something bites through its bone.
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it's just an odd chain of things.
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I think there's a lot of medical,
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physical meta metaphysical things.
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the fact that there's,
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there does genuinely seem to be portals.
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The fact that you had lasers stopped.
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that that's maybe the fields of science that I'm not in version of the,
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the decomposition thing.
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It's like shooting a laser at the sky and having it stop or having it split
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or go into four directions randomly.
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That's it's a laser.
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It goes only one direction unless you bend it.
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We've dropped things down and have things kind of bounce off of it.
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when you have the border of it,
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drones that are trying to do a grid pattern.
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I've filmed it with my phone.
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it ran into a wall and it's like,
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and then it has to go back to home base and recalibrate and then go through it.
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You had rockets that,
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once they hit that go and we've had rockets when they come down and they hit that zone and they stay,
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I'm going to sit in one place for 30 seconds on a parachute and then,
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GPS things in cans out of the helicopter and they seem to bounce off it.
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I don't understand what it is,
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it's really important.
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the triangle seems to be kind of the center of it.
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whatever that zone is.
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we see things going underground.
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and I think on my end,
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watching a Falcon go through a portal and come out the other side,
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I will give you that.
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all of this seems to be really,
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it's hard to put it into one category.
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And I think that's probably why,
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it's pretty frustrating scientifically.
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some of this stuff behaves like,
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Like if you look at the plant life,
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there does seem to be some correlation here with radiation,
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whether that's some type of beam striking down,
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whether it's something in the earth that is there,
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that could also make sense perhaps of some of the species being a little
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because if you're mutating cells at a level where you,
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plants be different than obviously that might also be true for whatever's
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It might've evolved differently than other predators in that neighboring area.
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And when we found it on,
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on the game cameras,
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they have spots that correlate with almost like if you,
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x-ray and put it right up at their face and left it on for an hour.
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And then what it does to the skin and what it does to the hair,
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spots on them doing that.
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We've documented that.
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But the strange thing is,
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is a lot of times when you have these spiked radiation levels come back four
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it's back to normal.
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Radiation should just be there for another half million years.
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so is that an issue with the instruments?
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a phenomenon like messing with your instruments to make you think there was a
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spike or did you actually have transient radiating?
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but is that what happened?
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but the plants definitely do seem to act like it.
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some of the animals we've found,
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with some of the deer and some of the elk,
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or whatever's causing this has similar symptoms to being radiated.
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Maybe it's some other type of force that we're not familiar with.
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I think make some sense.
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some of the animals we see,
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could they just be enlarged?
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We found on the game cameras,
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That's got way longer legs.
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Everybody thought they're like,
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And they thought it was a black bear.
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And it has this really stumpy tail.
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And I showed everybody the pictures.
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we had this giant raccoon called chapel millennia.
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I'm not saying it is,
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but if you had like radiation,
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could this be just a regular raccoon that got radiated?
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And this somehow changed to more of a cancerous type growth and,
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and more bulbous back and longer legs and this super stumpy tail.
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but it looked just like,
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if you know biology,
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but you don't know paleontology,
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then you don't make this jump.
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we had giant 300 pound beavers,
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We had giant raccoons,
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chapel millennia that lived alongside the regular ones.
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They didn't turn into this.
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these lived at the same time.
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We had giant jaguars and regular jaguars.
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The big ones are supposedly gone.
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Had dire wolves and gray wolves.
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Dire wolves are gone,
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but they live side by side.
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And so you got to make that connection.
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the ecosystems of North America are not intact.
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we should have mammoths and camels and sloths and all these things
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alongside elk and moose and deer and turkeys and all these things.
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I can't wait to get some actual,
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4k imagery of like one of these things just showing up or,
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or even better yet a body.
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that would be the day.
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something like that then becomes an international,
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it becomes big news in,
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in every regard and not just in the sort of alien,
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paranormal UFO regards,
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there are things happening on this earth that are apparently natural,
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tied to some event that is creating these little pockets.
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is equally as fascinating as extraterrestrials to me.
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it might not catch your imagination as much,
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whatever this wolf thing is,
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we have a good chunk of the body.
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we have the DNA sequenced,
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and it's been compared by the most extensive genetics lab on earth at the,
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the moment by every other canine on the planet and all the different dog breeds too.
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And it doesn't match any of them.
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And it's a tangible evidence.
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I got it sitting in my house,
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the jaws sitting in my house.
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I forgot to mention this.
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let me make sure I get you pictures of these two.
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this is another weird thing.
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there's little things like this that are actually big,
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that these are big stories,
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but I forget because there's,
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There's been so many things.
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And then I let dermestid beetles at home,
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clean it off further.
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And then I took it back to the ranch.
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in like a little Tupperware,
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a little Rubbermaid container,
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it's about this deep.
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so I show up at the ranch and they said,
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come on and have lunch.
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I'm going to leave this outside.
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So when you're walking up the stairs to the trailer,
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there's a little table right there.
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I set it on that table.
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People are walking in and out past it.
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I was in there eating lunch for maybe 10 minutes,
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And when I came back out,
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it's covered all over with lacerations,
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there's some people like,
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could it have been a rodent?
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They're not doubled up.
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They're individual lacerations.
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And it's sitting in the exact position when I set it down.
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It's not like somebody picked it up,
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and then put it back in all around it.
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did anybody touch this?
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did anybody notice anything?
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And like 10 to 12 minutes,
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people walking past it.
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And somehow it's covered with lacerations.
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I'll send you pictures there.
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You would have noticed that these weren't.
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Like you would have to,
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like you'd have to do this with a Dremel or to,
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to do these into the raw bone and have them look like this.
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You would have had to have done it when the bone was still fresh.
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Or else it would have cracked.
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And so somehow these are that way.
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And I got pictures of the job before and,
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how did this happen?
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these big old lacerations,
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like something just all over,
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It just happened in those 10 to 12 minutes.
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what's the point of that?
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Why would something do that?
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Is it saying anything?
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How could it happen?
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the one thing that I,
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I am sort of leaning towards more of now,
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you touched on this a little bit.
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as we're looking at things and there's this pendulum swings,
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we get into science and now we're looking at religion,
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We get too far into religion,
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We're looking at the scientific explanation.
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there's this ebb and flow of,
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but something which is more on the spiritual side and something that perhaps being an,
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a skeptic myself or skeptical,
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now as my pendulum is swinging back towards this idea of,
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there's something perhaps,
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tying the spiritual world into,
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the scientific world.
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at the heart of that are these Native American First Nations,
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these tribes that are,
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that have been here for a very long time that seem to be at the very root in terms of not only,
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they talk about star people.
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They talk about all these things that we find in so many different religions and that we're looking at now in the sky.
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We're seeing a lot of these anomalous,
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but we're kind of echoing in our own language what they were saying.
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And so I think they have so many answers,
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being someone who was adopted by a Cherokee.
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what do you make of that?
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do you put stock into that as well?
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tribes in Southwestern United States,
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Northwestern Mexico,
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all the way up to Navajo and Ute,
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Skinwalker Ranch will be the North Eastern range of that.
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there's something to it.
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And there's something connecting to some of these paranormal phenomenon.
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And it seems very legitimate.
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The more and more I study it.
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And the more and more I learn about it,
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the more I very much,
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very much see something with it.
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And you see that with ancient peoples,
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you can put it everywhere.
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if you look up the Wanchina figures,
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it's like that just,
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they just look like gray aliens.
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And some people say,
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they're water spirits.
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It's like you put a gray next to them and it's like,
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this is literally the same thing.
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And they're all over.
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And those are like 10,
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12,000 year old paintings.
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there's a story with one of the Eastern tribes,
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Eastern hardwood forest tribes.
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And they have a legend of that.
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There was a child that,
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that one of the beings from the sky world came down,
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fell in love with the woman and they had a child together.
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have to take care of this child and don't ever strike the child.
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If you strike the child,
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then sky woman is going to take her back.
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And this child is going to live back with the,
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the father and the people it came from.
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And it's this whole story.
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but the grandma did like scold the child and,
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And so they took him away.
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And even if that's legend,
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a legend can be based off of something.
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And so the people today,
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they still all will have these ceremonies where they cry and,
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and give mourn and sorrow for this,
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sky child that was taken back up to live with the,
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this rain spirit that,
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you might just be making an incorrect connection,
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but you're also stupid.
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listen to the legend and let it percolate.
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gives me a greater worldview and maybe we can make some connections of understanding.
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Do you think they're,
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do you think they know more than they're letting on?
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Because I know that a lot of these communities are very tight knit as well in that,
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they don't just give information freely to outsiders who are,
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And that's just what,
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even if you wanted to tell a story,
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you'd have to get approval from like the elders or like the chief or like whatever it is.
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You'd have to go to the community and be like,
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can I tell the story?
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Can I give them this information?
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So do you think there's still a lot that they're kind of keeping secret?
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I think that in general,
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with all the tribes,
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but very specifically Southwest tribes and Southwest United States,
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Northwestern Mexico,
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we call it the Southwest Northwest region.
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those people absolutely have things that they,
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and occasionally you'll get them to explain a little allude to it.
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they're using terms that,
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are mythological in the vocabulary,
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but it's very much a very literal on how they,
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when they'll leak some of it out and tell you a little bit,
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that's exactly fits in with this or that,
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that we see in some of these events.
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the timelines aren't perfect.
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oral histories are oral histories.
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They're not going to be perfect.
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They're going to change a bit.
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And what you end up with is you have primordial time.
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when was Jesus born?
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That's a historical question,
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whether Jesus or not was real.
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It's a historical question.
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when was Zeus born or when it was Horace born?
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that's primordial time.
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That's time before time.
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And that's when these legends take place.
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a million years ago,
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they're told that way.
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Just like when was Zeus born?
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and that's how these stories are,
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but they have truth in them.
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They have deep truth in them.
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And it is true that there is a lot that is,
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especially in those Southwest Northwest tribes,
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there is a lot that only occasionally gets leaked out.
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And that might be the reason why Skinwalker Ranch is so interesting because it is where science and spirituality intersects.
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We're talking about these ancient tribes that there's,
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burial grounds there.
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There's these legend and lore that's present in this area.
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And now we have the world's leading scientists,
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the world's government,
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militarized government in the world,
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turning their attentions to this,
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tribal land here that's sacred.
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And now we're finally,
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like the pendulum seems to have met in the middle here at Skinwalker Ranch.
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And it's interesting to see what'll come from that.
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But I do feel in my gut that as long as we measure with the instruments that we're familiar with,
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we'll only get undetermined answers.
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And then that will have to start,
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adapting the other way and look inwards and have these other,
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these other ways of measuring things.
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it's okay to be skeptical,
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And it's okay to say,
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show me the evidence,
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if you see some evidence,
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you don't have to have a conclusion,
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but you at least have to acknowledge this is some evidence,
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the rabbi did the prayer on the ranch and all of a sudden,
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all at homestead to,
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the thermal imaging cameras just changed everything.
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Or when they brought that tribe out and they did a drum circle there.
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And all of a sudden,
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Orbs were coming into the Mesa on camera.
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I don't know what that means,
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but you have to at least say,
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this is a thing that happened.
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I'm going to put it in my brain and I'm going to factor it in.
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Don't just dismiss it,
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and we may not know what it means.
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And just because you don't know what it means,
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You don't have to be like,
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therefore it's stupid.
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Just log it in there and keep that as part of the information.
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Should get people to do like some ayahuasca ceremonies there or something.
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I feel like you'd probably get some interesting.
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I think they need to.
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and I wonder if that may have happened,
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off camera without me around.
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I know Eric and I really want to do a lot of experiments growing mushrooms and also have people.
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I'd be down to experiment with that as well.
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I think that would be like a heck of a place where you get tuned into some,
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I think it should be done.
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It should be done in a controlled setting.
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dose set and setting,
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have it be very safe and have people there to make sure it's done well and right,
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but also to make sure it's not too clinical.
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we're open to learning.
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We got people here to make sure it's safe,
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but I'm using locals perhaps in their own methods and,
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I think it would be really,
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that would be an episode of skinwalker.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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That would be great.
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that would be incredible.
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if you're listening and you ever need somebody to help set it up,
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I'd be more than happy to,
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to throw my name in the hat.
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turn this camera on back here.
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We got some questions from the audience that I'd love to ask you.
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So if you're a member here at area 52,
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you get access to a lot of perks.
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One of the main perks here that a lot of people seem to like is the possibility of
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asking our guests a question.
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So I informed them 24 hours ahead,
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and they get to ask us some questions.
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And then I cherry pick from those.
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And often I'll tell you collectively,
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their questions are better than mine.
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bunch of really interesting,
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intelligent people coming together,
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it's the greatest way to ask the best questions.
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so I encourage you guys to do that.
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If you are a part of the membership already.
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Interesting question here by Michelle L.
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So this question asks,
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is there video evidence of active portals at the ranch that is being suppressed?
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I don't know if it's being suppressed,
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suppressed seems kind of nefarious.
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I know there is footage from the Bigelow era and I believe we have footage now.
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there's things we have seen with the bubble,
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that have shown that,
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I believe that things have been documented currently that might not be in circulation.
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but I think suppressed is a more of a nefarious term that I would,
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there's some that is being held classified.
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with LIDAR and with different scans,
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we have absolutely verified,
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through that triangle area we've absolutely had,
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that's been made public.
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So I think there's more to it than that.
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and I know the Bigelow era stuff is not all come out.
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Do you think it will eventually,
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or is that just because it's government?
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I probably not for 50 years.
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You're probably right.
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We got another one here.
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if you had the ultimate evidence,
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biological or otherwise,
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to whom would you present it?
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the greatest number of people possible,
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whatever would be the greatest way to get it out there to the world.
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Right here on area 52.
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I don't want to guard the information.
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I want other minds thinking about it,
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and all of us collectively to move forward and move upward and,
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and get new thinking on it.
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Do you think there's any,
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that any of that scientific evidence is currently being withheld because of the filming of the show?
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Do you think that any of that should be made public?
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So there's some things that are just,
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anecdotally held back.
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maybe we're going to put this in later season.
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that's why I want to be here is to get some of this out.
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some of it for very simple and not,
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not very important reasons are held back.
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But I do also think that some of the big stuff is held back on a,
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on a more governmental level.
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Because we're not all there all the time.
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There there's nobody's there all the time.
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It's somewhat compartmentalized.
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And so depending on what experiments are happening,
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some of the really big stuff doesn't come out till later.
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And I've had people behind the scenes tell me that some of the stuff maybe doesn't come out fully at all yet.
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And some of the bigger,
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I don't want to say scary,
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but more profound things.
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they kind of sit on and process like,
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what do we do with this information?
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just for basic filming reasons,
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but some of the things happen because again,
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this is a year round thing.
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You think there's like national security implications?
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a hundred percent are a hundred percent are that you even see some of that on the show.
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You'll see snippets that show that,
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had to break his NDAs to tell the department of defense that like,
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there might be getting hacked here by either foreign entities or foreign governments.
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And I got to break this NDA and say,
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so there's absolutely things that are held back.
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A hundred percent are.
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I'll be excited to hopefully find out what that is one day,
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probably something we touched on,
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while working on the ranch,
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was there a fundamental biological theory that you felt was challenged?
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this is by Thomas Tom 10,
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I would assume decomposition being,
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but was there a specific theory that you felt was being challenged?
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I think that the big,
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the biggest one is the taphonomy,
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the science of decomposition,
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that even goes back to paleontological times,
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that would be the big thing of how things decompose and what happens post-mortem,
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the cow contorting into the dinosaur death pose.
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That's also a taphonomical scientific thing that is being challenged the way the,
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way tendons and ligaments attach and the way they dry out.
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It's a cut and dry way.
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You can only fit a puzzle in a certain way that should not have happened.
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so that the taphonomy of the ranch,
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absolutely challenged.
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And also the existence of animals that shouldn't be there.
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That's another biological presence that absolutely challenges my,
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my understanding of the modern world.
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clues into the study of the tissue that might answer some of that,
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some of those questions?
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it just seems all frozen.
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what do you mean frozen?
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Any tissue samples we've checked?
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it's frozen in time,
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but then it should be decomposing.
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If you have cells that are no longer moving,
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there's no indicators telling you why it's not decomposing.
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External bacteria as well as not chomping on it.
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So the cells themselves are not,
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and the external bacteria is not.
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And critters aren't either.
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And there's nothing,
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there's nothing that tells you why that is.
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There's no chemical.
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There's no radiation.
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There's no presence of anything.
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and a scavenger shouldn't know.
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A scavenger should come along and say,
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And I gotta take it.
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That when we see them on camera,
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when we have cameras on them,
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they kind of like back away.
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There's something about it.
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There's something that repulses them.
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Something that they see that we can't.
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See or feel or sense.
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It just shows you how much we don't know.
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This last question here by Majestif12.
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What's the biggest misconception the public has about what's actually happening there?
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Um, I think, I think the perception is you, you go there.
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Well, you know, I would have said originally that, Hey, all this stuff is happening all the
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And that, you know, there's always UFOs and our stuff.
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Um, and I would say, no, it's more staggered, but that's actually not true because the longer
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I've been there and long as these longer, these, uh, Brandon Fugel era experience have
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gone on, it has amped up.
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It has, there's, I've never been to the ranch where something has not happened.
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How long do you go for when you go there?
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Um, I mean, it might be a day.
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Every, every single time I go there, there's always something every day that I go there.
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There's something that happens.
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There's always something, uh, something that we pick up an experiment that there's always
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Uh, it always delivers for me.
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Um, I know other people, but I mean, I'm, I'm looking to, you know, I'm coming at this from
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a biological and a paleontological approach, which is different where if you're, I don't
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know, like if you're doing security, your job is to protect the people and make sure
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And so things still happen to them too, you know, and their phones are still getting hacked
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But there has never been a time that I've been on the ranch where I haven't had several
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A hundred percent of the time.
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Ben, if people want to get in touch with you or if they want to ask you questions or if
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they want to look at some of your work, like what's the best way to do that?
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So the, the best way is I run several YouTube channels.
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Uh, the best ones, uh, are, um, desert lore, which I teach all kinds of ancient history into
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exploring and archeology and stuff like that.
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And, uh, Ben Woodruff falconry.
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And that's not just falconry.
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It's all kinds of things.
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And then at the Hutchings museum, I run that YouTube channel.
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Uh, you can also find me on Facebook.
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Um, and I always say, if you can't get ahold of me, just keep after me till you do.
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I'm super busy and, uh, and scatterbrained.
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So just keep back from me till you reach me.
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Well, you've been a pleasure and a joy and, and a really, really, um, you've been just
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great at answering these questions for me.
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And, and obviously I think putting me over the edge, piquing my curiosity about Skinwalker
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Ranch, just, just that much more where, uh, maybe the push that I needed to, uh, to
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investigate this for myself one day.
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We've got to get you out there.
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Well, I appreciate you.
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I appreciate the offer and I appreciate you coming here and sharing all this with us.
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Thanks for having me out.
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