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Thanks for coming on show.
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Thank you for having me, my honor and privilege.
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Yeah, it's really nice to take a break
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talking about divisive American politics
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to talk about what is going on to say aliens.
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Well, first of all, we don't call them aliens anymore.
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That's kind of a politically incorrect term.
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We call them in the Pentagon NHI, non-human intelligence.
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Maybe we should probably give people
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your bona fides a bit.
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You ran intelligence and content intelligence for them.
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So after college, I spent some time
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into the United States Army, spent some time
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in military intelligence.
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And then from there, I was recruited
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into some special activity programs
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where I became a special agent in counterintelligence,
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investigating terrorism, and espionage.
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In 2009, early 2009, I was brought in
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to run counterintelligence for that program.
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What is now known as ATIP, the advanced aerospace threat
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identification program?
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And later on, I wound up being one of its senior members.
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So you are a military man, a veteran,
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you are intelligence officer,
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counterintelligence officer, a grown adult,
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by your own words, you're also a fat-based person.
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You've said that in fact, in interviews.
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But I'm also proof that you don't have to be intelligent
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to be an intelligence.
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Well, no, I wouldn't go that far.
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Let me just put that out there.
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OK, well, let me put this out there.
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What the f*** is going on with these aliens?
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What is going on with this aliens?
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So the US government, for many decades,
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has been investing a lot of taxpayer money
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looking into this topic here.
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And it turns out that there are absolutely technologies
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that are coming into our controlled US aerospace
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over our sensitive military installations.
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May have the ability to interfere with a nuclear equities.
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And yeah, it's real.
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And not only are pilots picking it up and reporting it,
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also we've got on electro-optical data,
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like gun camera footage, flare footage,
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and also radar data.
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And it's not just here.
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It looks like it's pretty pervasive all over the world now.
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There's f***ing aliens.
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There's f***ing aliens right now.
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How you put those two words together?
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I'm not sure they're necessarily doing it.
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Yo, there's f***ing aliens coming up.
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OK, so what are you doing?
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What are you doing here?
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So it appears that they're very interested in our technology.
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I want to be very clear here.
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Why? They came here.
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They don't want to look at my iPhone 16.
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No, but they got shit that flew across the stars.
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They don't care about it.
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They are very interested in our military equities
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and capabilities and also our nuclear technology.
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And I think what's, for me, what was most compelling
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is that in some cases, you had literally, literally,
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near misses of US combat aircraft coming
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within 15 feet of these objects.
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In some cases, literally splitting a combat formation
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right down the middle.
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These are things that can do things that none of our vehicles
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Their performance capabilities are far beyond anything
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And quite frankly, there's not a whole lot we can do about it
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So beyond the shadow of a doubt, as you've
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seen the evidence, there are aliens.
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Oh, the other ones have already come out.
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Look, you have a former director of national intelligence,
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a former director of CIA, a former president of the United
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States, all coming out and saying, officially, yeah,
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there's something to this.
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I mean, these things look like they're definitely
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interested in our stuff.
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And furthermore, when the government first came out
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with their new UFO program called Arrow, their first report
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said, yeah, there's 143 of these incidents,
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but we expect these numbers to go down as we figure them out.
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The next report that came out, there was over 300.
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The next report, there's now over 800.
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So the number's increasing, not decreasing.
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OK, so what is this gang buried in the cycle or something?
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Because Donald Trump says, I hate Taylor Swift.
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So we just never see this stuff.
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Will you presidents?
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The government has said these things out around.
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Yeah, they're in a lives problem.
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Look, the men and women find men and women of the Pentagon
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and the US government doing credible work.
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And most of the time, we are a lot better
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off as a society because of their professionalism.
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Unfortunately, in this particular case,
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the bureaucracy was a problem.
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We continue to try to get alarm bells
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up to the Secretary of Defense over and over again,
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but there was this layer of these proverbial Praetorian
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guards that didn't want to tell the Secretary of Defense
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that we were spending taxpayer money
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looking into these things.
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And oh, by the way, turns out they're real.
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OK, are you, with all due respect,
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is there any chance that you are accidentally
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describing the synopsis to Independence Day?
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Because that's the movie.
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That wasn't the movie.
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They couldn't get to the dude because they wouldn't listen.
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So you're telling me, aliens are going to take over
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because of US government bureaucracy?
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Well, I certainly hope that's not the case.
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I think, when we look at this issue here,
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this has been going on for decades.
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This has been going on since the late 1940s.
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And I want to say that people go, wait a minute.
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You talk about Roswell?
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OK, so what was that Roswell?
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It was a vehicle that had broken into two pieces.
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And it was recovered by the United States government,
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taking to a secure military installation.
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And then from there, it went out to certain locations.
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What is in that book?
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I'm a lot to talk about.
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That went through the Pentagon review process.
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So I am legally able to talk about it.
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There are things that I'm still not yet
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allowed to talk about.
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What are those things?
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Tell us those things.
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That sounds like, well, let's see here.
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I do not look good in an orange jumpsuit.
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So I got to be very careful.
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Yeah, you're going to look good in whatever jumpsuit
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This is the, it sounds like we're battling aliens
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and bureaucracy here.
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I don't know if we can fight a two front wall on this.
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Can we choose a side to fight here?
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I think I'd prefer to fight aliens if I had to choose
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between bureaucracy and aliens.
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But OK, so in the book, you say that, and by the way,
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I mean, I read the book and it's a very, it's a patient.
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It's very well written.
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It's easier to follow.
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Like in it, you say like the best case scenario right now
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is that aliens are national security threat.
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To determine if something is a threat,
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it's really a very simple calculus.
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It's capabilities versus intent.
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Now, we've seen some of the capabilities.
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We still have no idea the intent.
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So therefore, we don't know if it's a threat.
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But let me give you a very quick analogy here.
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You probably live in a great lovely area,
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just like your audience here.
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Do you lock your door at night?
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I live in New York City, so no, not really.
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Do you lock your front door?
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It's covered in this aliens here right now in New York City.
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As you can see, yeah, I do love my front door.
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So in most people do.
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And let's say you lock your windows and you turn on your alarm.
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Let's say one Sunday morning, you come downstairs
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and have a hot cup of coffee or tea.
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And despite your doors being locked in your window
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and your alarm on, there's now size 12 muddy boot prints
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in your living room floor in your carpet
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that weren't there the night before.
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Now, no one's been hurt, nothing's out of place.
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But despite you doing all this other stuff and locking doors
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and making sure the alarm's on,
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there are now footprints in your living room carpet
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that weren't there the night before.
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My question to you is, is that a threat?
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And so my response is, from a national security perspective,
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I was wearing my national security hat,
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it could be if it wanted to be,
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so we probably should figure out how it's getting into the house.
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You should probably move at that point.
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We should probably forget out of that apartment.
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There's boot prints still working around.
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So these things are, we are encountering them
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over controlled US airspace, like I said,
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over sensitive military installations.
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And so from a national security perspective,
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we've got to figure out what these things are.
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No shit, no shit, we've got to figure out.
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You're saying you're being very professional
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or you're being very technical
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and you're being very calm as an intelligence officer
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and then you're saying this alien said
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that we don't know what they want.
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What, okay, what should people take away from this?
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Is aliens and what, fire?
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When you see it shoot on site?
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I would recommend not doing that.
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I think what people need to know right now,
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the US government is taking this topic very seriously.
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There's several pieces of legislation
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that are going through Congress right now.
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There are members in both the House and the Senate
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that have been briefed by whistleblowers on this topic.
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People who have been part of certain efforts,
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UAP efforts in the past.
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You should not get mixed up the border act, right?
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Because that, when you say aliens,
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I don't think they really know which ones you're talking about.
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Right, well, these, I mean, yeah.
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You have illegally aliens in them.
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You got, illegal aliens.
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Yeah, you got some on them.
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So there's acts coming out, there's legislation.
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What legislating against intergalactic aliens?
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Well, I think the idea is to open the door for whistleblowers
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to come out and be able to have a protected conversation
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So Congress can then have a conversation
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with American people.
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I think that's really what this is about.
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And certainly I think there are certain people in,
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by the way, for the first time,
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this is a bipartisan issue.
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You've got both liberals and conservatives on the hill.
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Of all things, UAP, right?
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No, see, that's the most off-etch thing you've seen.
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This is going to be that.
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Who would have thought?
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I'll believe aliens.
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There's no way these guys are working together.
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I swear to God, I can't say who they are,
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but their names have already been, I think,
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in the press quite a bit.
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But on both sides, they are taking this topic very seriously.
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A lot of these folks have military backgrounds.
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Why don't they just let it out?
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Just let the news out.
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Just tell people, just show them the freaking,
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show them the photo of the alien selfie with the president.
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And then let's get it out there and let's handle it.
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We've spent many decades backing ourselves
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into a corner on this conversation.
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And the government has said publicly what its position is.
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Now it's in a situation where it's having to unwind
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that conversation and say, look, folks,
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we haven't always been completely forthcoming
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and truthful with you.
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And that's a hard conversation to have.
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We talked about this.
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Aliens have the conversation.
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I don't know what...
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All right, well, can we stop them?
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That's not a question for me.
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That's a question for me.
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It's kind of a question for you.
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I think you're the only one who can...
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Because it sounds like your attitude also seems to be like,
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They have capabilities beyond understanding.
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And nothing much we can do about it.
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So, you know, keep watching Paramount Plus.
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And I'm not supposed to do about this now.
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I think, look, I personally think
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Americans can handle the truth about this topic.
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I mean, we can joke a lot about it,
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but the reality is that these things
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whatever they are, wherever they're from.
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Okay, well, is that a chance that if the government
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tells people aliens are real and shows them
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we'll unite together in a global effort to defeat them
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Well, you know, there was a famous speech by Reagan
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back in the 80s, where he...
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The truth of this came out.
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It would probably unites the world, but yeah...
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We need it now. Let's go aliens.
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Alien, that's gone now.
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We got a lot going down now.
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Now I'm down for aliens now, okay.
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United Congress is already a big enough challenge.
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Let's get these folks on the same sheet of music.
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Let's get the briefings they need
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and then let them have a conversation with their constituents.
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You're talking about paperwork.
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I'm talking about aliens.
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Okay, but the government survives off of paperwork.
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It is a bureaucracy, unfortunately.
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Look, there's a voice in.
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There's a right way to do things
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and then you can do also it right now.
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But they're not necessarily the same thing.
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Doing things right and right now may not be, you know,
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What do you mean? There's aliens
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and you want to go through bureaucracy
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and try to unite Congress before you can fight the aliens?
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I don't fight the aliens.
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I think there's opportunity here.
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In the last seven years, I think we've come further
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on this conversation than we have in the last 70.
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There are elements now in the government
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that want this conversation to occur.
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They want the American people to know,
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look, this is the worst kept secret at this point,
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probably in the U.S. government.
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I mean, it's pathetic.
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The fact that so many people now in our militaries,
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our intelligence communities,
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even in some cases, come up close
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and personal with these things.
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Okay, this is, okay, this is crazy.
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Anyway, imminent is...
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imminent is available now.
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I wish we could talk for hours
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by this thing, but not.
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We may as well be talking to everybody.
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