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I don't know what the hell that is.
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I don't know man, but no clean, right?
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The Pentagon has confirmed the existence of the $22 million
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initiative that studied UFOs for at least five years, beginning in 2007.
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And they released video.
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So people find what we call UFOs terrifying.
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Or they just want to dismiss it and say it's all nonsense.
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Look at how it's moving.
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It's really not all nonsense.
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But it's not what you think it is either.
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They put out on the, really like aliens was.
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They're trying to hide and they're not human.
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They're 100% they're not human.
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It turns out there was a UFO program in the Pentagon, secret of least
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thatiness for years.
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There is something there.
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There is something provably there.
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And at least initially, it cannot be explained.
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When it comes to the UAP problem, the rules have changed.
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I mean, the best evidence is what your government is doing about it.
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Now just a short time ago, Senator Reed responded to CNN saying he's quote,
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proud of this program and its groundbreaking studies.
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First off, introduce yourself and let me know what you do and how you're even related
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I'm a professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine.
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And the principal function of my lab is cancer research, but subcellular cancer research.
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So we look at cells in cancer tissues.
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When you're trying to understand the basics of something, really what you're doing is you're
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tearing something apart down to its most foundational constituents and you're saying how do
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they get put together.
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And we say this therapy with this arrangement does well and this arrangement, they die.
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It's the basics of science.
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Several years ago, some people who were associated with the CIA and a nearest-based company came
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to my office one day unannounced and they said, hey, we need to talk to you because people
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say that you have a blood analysis tool and we're doing complete medical workups of these
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people who've claimed to have interactions with something, whatever it is.
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And it was varied, a hundred different people.
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We have all of this medical data, including like MRIs of their brains and all the rest.
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Since you have the best blood analysis, we need your help.
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And then they started talking about UAP or UFOs.
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And I thought it was a joke, I really did.
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I actually thought there was some sort of a candid camera moment.
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I was looking around like, okay, well, there's a bridge way over there.
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Is there a camera that's looking at me?
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I mean, you know, this is a big joke.
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But no, they were very deadly serious.
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Did the data point to a conclusion of any kind or an understanding of any kind about these
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Well, I mean, the understanding that we saw at least of the brain scans that we had was
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Patches of white matter disease, dead tissue in the brain.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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You know, at first glance, it looks like multiple sclerosis.
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You get these random white matter patches in the brain.
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And as those patches progress, people lose more and more function and control over their
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These look similar at first glance, but they were non-progressing.
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And multiple sclerosis progresses, unless you intervene.
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So a few patches become 10 patches and they get larger.
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These cases were what would call acute, non-progressing.
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I thought, this is weird.
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They all seem to have this.
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At first we thought it was damage, but this was in fact living tissue.
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And so that's something that needs an explanation.
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How did a person get all of these lesions in their brain and they don't have multiple sclerosis?
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What happened to them?
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I know I'm a little slow, but that's on an airplane.
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I don't know if the dragon's up in release.
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Somebody pissed off Godzilla.
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I don't know what the hell is this.
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Whatever it is, it's shaking the house.
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Now as it turned out, the 100 events that we had, probably about 85 of them actually were
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Havana Syndrome patients.
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Mystery illness, which has affected US diplomats.
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It's caused a dissonous nauseous, even brain-variant illness call.
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What is the Havana Syndrome?
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So there were situations around the world where our diplomatic core were complaining of
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noises in their head, headaches, rashes, sickness, etc.
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And it's been generally determined that these are some sort of energy weapon, which is
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being used to harass our diplomatic core.
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I mean, this is known from way back in Moscow during the Soviet Union.
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It's not hard to do.
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I mean, take the front, mash off of your microwave, and stick your face in front of it, and
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you'll find out exactly what an energy weapon is.
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And it turned out to 85 people that we had actually were Havana Syndrome patients.
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But that left 15 people on the table.
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And we said, well, what's special about these people?
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Well, they were all extremely high functioning.
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They were all, in many cases, what you would call savants, right?
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They were 130, 140 IQ plus.
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Because these are DOD people.
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They were also pilots.
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And when you looked at their stories, they were entirely about UAP.
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There's a whole fleet available at the ASA.
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The release of U.S. Navy pilots cockpit footage and testimony about possible UAPs has caused
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No distinct wings, no distinct tail.
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They all seemed like they were aware of our presence because they would actively move
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This video captured by a fighter pilot with a cell phone that shows a metallic object that
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you might miss if you blink.
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Three key former military officials set to testify.
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David Fraver, a former Navy commander who took video of a UAP.
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As we looked around, we noticed a white tic-tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing
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north south and moving very abruptly over the water.
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There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings.
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Former Navy pilot, Lieutenant Ryan Gray's, calls whatever is out there a security risk.
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So you're seeing it both with the radar and with the infrared.
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And that tells you that there is something out there.
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Pretty hard to spoof that.
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In my particular case, a couple weeks after finishing my training, found myself out in
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the Middle East, preparing for combat operations.
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We conducted those operations for about four months and returned back to the Eastern
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Sea Board of the United States.
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We stopped upgrading some systems and doing repairs.
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We upgraded radar system.
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When we did this, flying with a more advanced radar, we'd be seeing objects that were operating
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in the working areas that we hadn't seen just that morning.
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And that was really the status quo until we actually left on our workup cycle to join
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the USS Theodore Roosevelt off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida.
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And it was there that we filmed the Gimbal video.
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We all fly out together, we do our training, and we fly back as we run out of fuel essentially
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To our crew that I know well, we're returning to the boat when they picked up radar contacts
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of four or five objects that were flying in a wedge or V formation.
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We've been here their excitement and their voice as they try to understand what they're
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And then between that formation and the aircraft was what appeared to be a larger object
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and that's the object we typically call the Gimbal.
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When Ryan Graves was flying off the USS Theodore Roosevelt off the east coast of the
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US during an exercise, my job was safety of flight.
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And I got this report on the Navy's secret network.
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It was an email and it was addressed to all the subordinate commanders of this command
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called US Fleet Forces Command, a four star command.
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And it was from the operations officer, a two star admiral who knew very well.
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And the subject of the email was urgent safety of flight issue, all caps.
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The text was very short.
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It just said, if any of you have seen what these are, tell me ASAP.
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We're having numerous near-mid-air collisions with these and we're going to have to shut
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down the exercise if we don't resolve this.
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And attached was the now very famous Go Fast video.
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This was to every subordinate commander.
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So this is about 20 admirals and senior executives who received it.
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The thing is, the next day that email was wiped from my computer and everybody else's.
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And no one talked about it.
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When I went to monthly meetings with the commander and all the people who received that email,
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which I have a problem with because this was a safety of flight issue, resulted in the
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pilots Ryan Graves having to mitigate his own safety threats with no senior officer supporting
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him, which is a big problem.
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We've seen these things being stationary and moving with the wind.
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We've also seen them drifting against the wind in a very similar manner as well.
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It looked like just a dark cube inside of a clear sphere.
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We've seen them maintain complete stationary behavior over a GPS location for extended
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periods of time and hurricane force winds.
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We don't understand how it's able to perform those even very basic maneuvers.
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We're seeing them in the morning, we're seeing them afternoon, we're seeing them evening.
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There's no break in all those behaviors.
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And so all that combined is confusing.
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It doesn't correlate with the technology that I'm aware of as a fighter pilot.
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The story has a way of engulfing you, whether you want it or not.
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I've called it my induction story because when I first started covering this topic, I felt
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like I was being lowered into a rabbit hole.
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It couldn't see the bottom, it couldn't make out the creatures that were going to show
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If you were to tell me six or seven years ago where we'd be today and we'd be kind of
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Well, I covered the Pentagon and National Security for more than two decades, covered the
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wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, traveled the world.
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And in that entire time, I don't think UFOs came up a single time.
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All those years, you know, it was just subject that, you know, was for movies and science
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Rosenberg, oh, damn.
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The archaeians are not going to like this.
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This guy was one of the royal family.
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This is an alien and you guys are from some government agency trying to keep it under wraps.
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And then in 2017, things changed.
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It's a recent report by the New York Times unveiled the existence of a real-life ex-files
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The former head of that program, Luis Elizondo, told the Times that you have program-collected
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video and audio recordings of reported UFO incidents, including footage from a Navy F-A-E-T
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super hornet showing an aircraft surrounded by some kind of glowing aura.
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As a journalist, I'd spent 17 years reporting on UFOs in a climate in which nobody official
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would acknowledge anything about them.
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Before 2017, of course, it was just ridicule.
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It was just non-engagement, just disinterest 100%.
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And that's why it was so shocking for me to learn this program existed because I had
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been out in the world campaigning for the government to set up an agency to study these things.
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But actually, there was one.
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I got a tip that, hey, the Pentagon has this UFO research effort and it was created by
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then-Senator Harry Reid of Nevada.
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There's a senior senator who believes the truth is out there and is inserting money into
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the Pentagon budget very quietly, very secretively to go do more research on this.
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I mean, that only happens in the movies.
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But this was a real story.
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Our story actually ran the same days in New York Times.
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I think they'd be death by like an hour or something like that.
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It all began when I went to this meeting and I sat opposite a table, opposite Louis
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Elizondo and talked to him for about three hours.
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All about the program.
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I was shown all these documents.
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I was shown performance reviews that he had.
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And then the big moment was when I was shown these three videos that have since become
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These haunting images, part of a bombshell first admission by the military of a government
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program investigating sightings of UFOs.
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It wasn't until the New York Times article came out in 2017 and I saw the video that
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Obviously, a strange moment of data view until I realized that those were my friend's voices.
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That's when I realized that this was a problem that clearly wasn't being resolved.
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Pilots have come forward.
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Not just somebody off the street, but 20-year veterans flying F-18s.
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They were arrested with millions of dollars of taxpayer money and high-performance aircraft
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coming back and saying, listen, we were on this training mission and we were stalked by
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these orbs for days.
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And it wasn't just the pilots, but it was the radar operators on more ships and we're
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also part of this flotilla.
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So you can't just dismiss it.
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The videos were not shown to me by loot in that meeting, but they were shown to me on
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a laptop by Chris Melon.
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Christopher Melon served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence for
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president Clinton and George W. Bush and had access to top secret government programs.
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So it's not us, that's one thing we know.
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In 2017, as a private citizen, he served graciously acquired the three Navy videos and leaked
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them to the New York Times.
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It's bizarre that someone like myself has to do something like that to get a national
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security issue like this on the agenda.
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It had to be a big personal decision you had to make to even talk to Leslie at first.
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No, actually, people don't realize that she was kind of auditioning for me.
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I had the Washington Post and Politico and the New York Times competing for the story.
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I didn't want to spend months and months and then find out that other editors are not
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Competition's usually a good thing.
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The New York Times seemed to be the best opportunity.
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It wasn't as though they found me.
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I reached out to them.
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Chris Melon became involved with Luis Elizondo while he was still at ATIP, which was this
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Pentagon group that had been studying UAP.
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I got invited to a Pentagon meeting because I was an unpaid consultant to the Office of
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So I still had my security clearances and found out that we were having incursions over
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restricted military aerospace on an ongoing recurring basis for years.
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Dozens and dozens of incidents that were not being reported nor had it even though
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The North American aerospace command didn't know this was happening or so they say, I was
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Why do we have an intelligence community if we're going to let people fly over our country
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with strange vehicles and we're not even going to report it?
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It was partly like Pearl Harbor, only absent the consequences, but they're seeing it on
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radar and they're not reporting it up the chain of command, which is what happened at
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And it was kind of like 9-11 because all these different government agencies had
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pertinent information on this topic that they were sharing and there was no one place
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I was ashamed in a sense as a member of the intelligence community as someone who's
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part of that to see the system paralyzed.
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Natural reaction was to go through the chain of command.
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I had two friends who by chance were direct reports to the Dasektaev General Mattis.
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But the bureaucracy, nobody wanted to touch it.
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It was a hot potato, nobody would take ownership.
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Not somebody who's gone off the deep end.
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He's somebody who worked at the highest levels of the Pentagon.
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One thing that might drive Chris is that he was among the most senior intelligence officials
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in the country and he suspects there were hiding things from him.
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When I was in the government, this was an issue that you just didn't talk about.
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There was always the risk that you were going to damage your reputation and it might affect
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opportunities for promotion or jobs and so forth.
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So, after months of trying to get some kind of favorable action, it became clear that we
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either had to give up and just allowed us to continue or we had to go to Capitol Hill
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Tonight CNN has learned the Pentagon had a secretive program to research UFOs like
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the one Fraver spotted.
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The project was called the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program.
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All of this was on the record, all of this was documented.
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And because Senator Harry Reid was involved, it also gave the story credibility.
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It was pretty explosive.
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I mean, it was picked up a lot in our media.
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I think maybe even more in the international media.
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It was just like this firestorm.
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The military spent millions of dollars to look into UFO sightings.
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Millions of dollars for the project were pushed through by former Senate Majority Leader
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But the funding for the project was so called black money, meaning that was secret money
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for classified programs they just didn't want it talked about.
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That could be a military threat.
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We should be looking at it, but on the one in a million, billion chance that it really
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is ET, we kind of want to know that too.
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It was a thrilling moment for them.
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It was a breakthrough, it was unprecedented, it was significant.
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I would like to correct the record a little bit.
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The New York Times had virtually no impact on the legislative or executive branches of
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What were you hoping the impact of it would be?
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I thought with Congress it'd be seized with us.
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They'll be demanding briefings, demanding no one's going on.
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That's not what happened to my great surprise.
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Mark's a turning point in the history of this issue, but it hadn't been that story alone,
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we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots
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who piloted this craft?
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As I've stated publicly already, a biologics came with some of these recoveries.
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Are they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?
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Non-human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I
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talked to that are currently still on the program.
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The committee says this could be the first of several hearings with some lawmakers saying
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next they would like to hear directly from some of the pilots who have encountered those
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What changed if it wasn't the New York Times, then what made the difference?
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That's what really made the difference.
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It was the face-to-face with the Naval Aviators describing their experiences.
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When I pursued this, my personal logic was, hey, I'm representing myself.
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I'm not going to be wearing uniform.
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I'm not going to say, I'm Lieutenant Graves and I'm saying X, Y, or Z. I just wanted
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to speak as someone that had experiences that was talking about in my own time.
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From my perspective, I knew that what I was doing was well outside the bounds of what
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would be considered acceptable behavior from my command instructor or anything like that,
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but I really didn't see any other way that this was going to resolve itself to status
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Ryan was initially understandably very reluctant.
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He had come and speak to members of the Congress and it was a bit of soul-serving on his
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But to me, his own intriguing about it is, in the past, if a pilot saw something, there
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wasn't any way of really corroborating.
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Was this human error?
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Was this fatigue on the pilot's behalf?
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Was this a problem with the instrumentation?
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But now there are any number of documented incidences where there are multiple instruments
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recording something out there.
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It's not just the pilot.
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It's not just one tool.
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There is something there.
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There is something provably there.
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And at least initially, it cannot be explained.
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I just knew that I had a responsibility to talk about what I knew and describe what I knew
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and what I didn't know as clearly as possible.
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I ended up going to the Pentagon to kind of start the conversation.
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We've transitioned from the Pentagon up to the Center of Racers Committee.
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We had a close-door meeting.
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I mean, I was out pretty terrified, frankly.
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I did not want to go there, if you will.
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I did not want to go there.
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Brian was one of the first pilots, maybe the first pilot, to come forward and brief members
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of the armed services and intelligence communities behind closed doors.
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It was pretty clear that this was not necessarily going to be well received by his colleagues
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and his squadron and by other Navy officials.
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And yet he decided to do so.
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At least I could say at some point in my life, I really, truly pursued something that
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I felt I believed in.
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You've also, I believe, I'm discussed and know of many more pilots.
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This is just those that you are currently working with.
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Can you expand on that?
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When we were first experiencing these objects off the Eastern Seaboard in the 2014-2015
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time period, anyone that had upgraded their radar systems were seeing these objects.
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I didn't have a massive, massive interest in UFOs growing up.
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I kind of a standard interest that I guess most young people do with X-Files and ET and
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It was only in 2017 when the New York Times article came out that my interest was really
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And I think at that point, I was hooked, absolutely hooked.
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And so I wanted to kind of document where my mind was going on the subject.
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And so I created an Instagram account in early 2023.
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I kind of came in at the right time where the congressional hearing was happening.
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And I think I was one of the only person putting content out in real time.
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Mr. Fraver, the Tic Tac incident that you were engaged to current in 2004, what kind
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of reporting took place after that incident?
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No, and we had a standard debrief where the backseaters went down to our career Intel
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Center and brief what had happened.
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In the UK, there are a lot more reserved, I think, about the subject.
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And we haven't seen much talk from the government at all.
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The congressional hearings were just groundbreaking because we'd never had anybody ever in history
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on oath saying these things are real and these are my experiences.
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In front of Congress, with the hand up, passing off their experiences for the world to see
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live on TV was just incredible.
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We would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach, that's 0 air speed.
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These objects were saying completely stationary in category 4 hurricane winds.
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These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach.
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They would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't have an explanation
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Stories are anecdotes.
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And that's not a bad thing.
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I mean, in medical literature, you can write about a case report, which is an anecdote
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of a single individual story.
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And that goes into the literature.
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There are traditional and standard ways to get stories as long as there's data associated
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Now let's talk about the science of it.
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If you have 100 people who've got the same internal scarring looking at the brain scans,
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And so that's something that needs an explanation.
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How did a person get all of these lesions in their brain and they don't have multiple
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Is there a commonality that we can observe?
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And there were a couple of reports in the literature that I found that linked this area
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of the brain to intuition.
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And that was interesting because I thought, well, wait a second, intuition in an area
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of the brain that has to do with body movement.
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Let's say that you're at a party and you're walking around the room.
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You need to predict where people are moving, but that moment when somebody does something
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unexpected, you have to react to it quickly.
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So those are life and death moments as it turns out, because let's say you're in a forest
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and a wolf or a cheetah is jumping out.
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You need to be able to know to make the intuitively correct move.
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All the studies that have come since then have said that intuition, whatever it is that
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you want to call intuition, resides in this part of the brain.
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I've looked at the data and I say that there's something worth studying here.
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I'm only here to give you the data.
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You guys can argue till the cows come home what it is.
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I'm just telling you what's there.
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I'm not coming to any conclusions.
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A lot of these pilots don't know what they're seeing.
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They don't know if they're from our government, above their pay grade.
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They don't know if they're from adversaries, state actors, non-state actors, private entities.
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So we have to talk about these things and create an environment where other people are
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comfortable and feel safe enough to discuss this very serious issue.
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You get a lot of parts out there who've seen things independently who have been too afraid
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That was one of the things that was striking in having a chance over the course of a couple
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of years to get to know Senator Harry Reid, you know, learning from him, number one, why
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he was interested in this issue, and why he, someone would say, risk his political high
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by creating a UFO program.
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I mean, all of his staffers at the time were like, don't do this.
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Even if it's secret, if it leaks out, you're going to look like a cook.
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But he didn't really care.
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He talked to some of these fellow senators, Senator Ted Stevens, of Alaska Senator Daniel
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Innoe of Hawaii, both World War II veterans, who were like, almost immediately, oh yeah,
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we should totally look into this.
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Ted Stevens said he saw food fighters off his wing as an Army Air Corps pilot over Europe.
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You know, people would come back and they'd be like, we saw those things again.
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No idea what they are, but it didn't attack us.
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So I guess we're okay.
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It didn't talk about it for 40 years.
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Democratic Senator Promohio John Glenn, who's 62, is very much a hero in a country that
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loves to love a national figure.
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John Glenn, he said, was another one who was like, we absolutely should be doing more
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But again, these were not guys who said this publicly because in that era, you just didn't
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Now I think the stigma is changing.
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We've managed to get the attention of the government, both the legislative and executive
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And we now have the real prospect within the next 24 months of finding out possibly where
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the origin of some of these things are, where some of them might be extraterrestrial.
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Just bringing them light in the sky, man.
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Like, I'm not feeling anything good.
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Three there are other people here.
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What the **** is this?
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There's a massive sense of responsibility now.
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And I think when I first started posting videos, it was just whatever I found interesting.
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It just keeps on going on circles and circles and circles.
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And so now, as I go further along, every time I see new bits of footage, or people send
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things to me, I put out less and less and less and less and less because I have that responsibility.
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So I'm really careful in what I put out.
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And now somebody will send me something and I'll ask them, well, where's this come from?
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Have you got the original, do you know where the original came from?
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They took the footage.
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There's other footage out there that's better, that's more compelling, but we don't know who
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We can't follow that chain of custody to somebody that's super credible on a platform that we
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Well, we are all out here in the middle of this parking lot.
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Is it possible for you to contrast the program that you initially wrote about with the
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So A-Tip was the advanced aerospace threat identification program, which was set up in 2007
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at the direction of Congress, mainly to look into these reports from military pilots.
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A-Tip was a very small operation within the Pentagon.
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It didn't get very far either.
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The senior leadership in the Pentagon doesn't want to hear about it.
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They don't want to spend resources on it.
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It didn't have funding in the later years.
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It was just a group of dedicated people who kept on doing what they were doing before
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when they did have some funding.
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That entity was kind of transformed numerous times.
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It became the UAP task force and a couple of years there, and that was acknowledged by
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the Office of Director of Naval Intelligence that that entity existed.
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It kept changing its name, you know.
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And then it became this all-domain, what is it?
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No, I know what it is.
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All-domain, what's the R?
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The all-domain, a anomalous resolution office.
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It's a horrible name.
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The acronym is Arrow.
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Leave it to the Pentagon to come up with something like that.
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It's great that it has an easy acronym because some of the previous names were absolutely
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You couldn't even say them and let alone say an acronym for them.
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Fuck the Pentagon with these acronyms.
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It's called the UFO office.
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A Pentagon official confirmed this week that the US government is investigating more than
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650 potential UFO sightings.
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A team is examining the 650 cases.
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This office is up and running.
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I'm working with colleagues to make sure it's fully funded.
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So clearly, the Pentagon is taking UFOs seriously.
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And really, they're supposed to be the focal point that is researching not just sightings
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made by military personnel that come in, but also trying to dig into the bureaucracy and
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figure out what else do we know or what did we know and when did we know it.
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This is all together different, fundamentally different.
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Now you've got an organization that's out in the open with Arrow.
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Enjoys very strong support from Congress.
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It has a very wide mandate and a lot of latitude.
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It's got a large staff.
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And you have the support from the intelligence community.
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You have direct access to the Deputy Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence.
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Now all the national security agencies, all the intelligence agencies have to share information
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on this topic with this Arrow office.
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All the puzzle pieces are now on one table and you can start fitting them together instead
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of being in different buckets spread all over the place.
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I'd first like to thank our witness, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick for testifying here and in
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today's earlier closed session and for his long and distinguished career, both in the intelligence
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community and in the Department of Defense.
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Dr. Kirkpatrick, you can give your testimony.
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It's a privilege to be here today to testify on the defense.
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This is efforts to address unidentified anomalous phenomena.
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Do you know Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick?
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So Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is a physicist by training.
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In his last assignment, he worked for the Space Command and he worked in your intelligence
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He's very well suited and qualified by doing his training in background to meet this effort.
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But it's early days.
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So it remains to be seen how this is going to come out and where it's going.
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This is an issue of government transparency.
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We can't trust a government that does not trust its people.
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We're not bringing little green, man-or-flying saucers into the hearing.
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It's already a disappoint about half y'all.
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We're just going to get to the facts.
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We're going to uncover the cover-up and I hope this is just the beginning of many more
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hearings and more people coming forward about this.
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This has become something you're vocal about.
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I'm just wondering how do your constituents feel about you being vocal in this fight?
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I get a little ribbing but I don't give a rip.
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Mind you, I go out to take my dogs out to go to the bathroom every night in the backyard.
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I look at those stars.
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And literally, the concept of light years, it comes into play.
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I always think I look at some of those stars and the light from those stars literally left
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that star before the time of Christ.
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So you think in God's vast universe that there could not be something else.
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And to think also, it's kind of arrogant on our part to think that we're the best that
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Since 1947, the Pentagon's been lying to us about UFOs.
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They've covered this thing up from day one.
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You look at Roswell in 1947.
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Military comes out and says, we've recovered a saucer.
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And then the next day, they dropped that poor kernel out, holding a hot air balloon.
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And there's no way in hell that they would have messed that up.
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Military intelligence is a whole lot like congressional ethics.
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It really just doesn't exist.
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What's going to have to happen is somebody's going to have to walk out with some information
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of one of these craft, either on the ground or flying before they commit suicide, but
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they're shooting themselves in the back of the head five times.
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I have legislation for this year's defense bill to guarantee that arrow, they have access
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to special access programs, which are typically compartmentalized and highly classified,
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to make sure they're actually getting to see all the previous data, all the previous
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So all of those SAPs are opened to Dr. Kirkpatrick and the arrow team to review, to analyze,
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And so hopefully, whatever doors are still closed, we'll be opened in the next year.
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And you mean the data stretches back decades, even took to the Second World War, or the
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So the first time anyone seen an identified aerial phenomenon and reported it to the federal
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So we want that data so that can be used as a holistic review of what is the history,
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all of that should be co-located and reviewed scientifically.
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The military is not comfortable with bad data, bad facts, or things that they don't know
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And so that's why Senator Rubio and I and others teamed up to begin to look at this much
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If you look at what's happening now, it's about Navy pilots like Graves, what they're
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reporting from the cockpit, but these budget questions really focus on the Air Force.
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Now if you look at the Air Force budget, a significant share of it actually isn't theirs.
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It's the intelligence communities and it's for all the secret programs, but it's sort
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of budgeted through the Air Force budget.
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Air Force complaints that like you look at the Air Force budget and you think, oh we get
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the same as the Army and the Navy, we don't really because there's this huge chunk that's
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the path through budget.
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It's actually not our stuff.
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It's the CIA drone program and God knows what else.
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We do know that the government spends billions every year on secret aircraft drones.
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I wonder if they don't want to play in this, not because they're hiding aliens, but if
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Arrow is picking around and wants to know where's all the saps, the special access programs
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that might shed light on advanced technologies and you're the Air Force, you don't want to
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The SR-71 Blackbird Cold War Spyplane, the F-117 stealth fighter, the B-2 bomber, those things
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were secret for 30 or 40 years.
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So imagine what they have now.
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My goal is to make sure that the parts that are appropriate to be made public are made public
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and that's why we need the public reporting every year and that's why we created the office
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because we wanted to have a thorough scientific review of everything that's classified,
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unclassified and publicly available so that we just have more information and that we
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The way the issue came to me was how those pilots were treated, that they weren't necessarily
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being believed or they were being disregarded in some way.
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It became a very important issue for me.
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Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York is leading an effort to change the way the military
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handles the problem of sexual assault in the armed forces.
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Gillibrand points to victims who complain that too often commanders ignore their allegations.
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Did you see a correlation I guess?
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I know they're very distinct to different issues.
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There's always a correlation.
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Military sexual assault has been covered up, sexual harassment has been covered up.
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These cases often don't see the light of day and on the UIP side, it's something the
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military didn't want to talk about publicly.
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They were addressing it from my perspective in a very paternalistic way that's not validating
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with something actually happened to them.
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I think it's duplicitous and inappropriate.
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Ocarina, you say that you want to get to a point where people feel comfortable reporting
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It's a big risk to co-op publicly on this topic.
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At the end of the day, if you're going to highlight yourself, at least in the military
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aviation communities for something like this, there's very little, uh,
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In the Navy, we deal with problems after the fact and not before the fact.
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We fix things after people die and we write our procedures and our lessons of blood.
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And you know, I think there's opportunity perhaps to avoid that in this scenario.
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I've heard many reports that service members who witnessed unidentified aerial phenomenon
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and recorded it on the instruments that they had available to them were often disregarded
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or disbelieved or retaliated against for coming forward with information about these sightings.
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Those individuals are whistleblowers and they should be heard.
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One of the biggest moves Congress has taken is to enact this law that includes a process
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for people within the military, within the spy agencies to come forward.
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Two Congress, but also to the Pentagon Arrow office with their testimony.
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In other words, if, you know, they signed a non-disclosure agreement and were told
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and never talk about this secret program, you sort of get a jail free card, you can come
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forward and it's supposed to be a process for that to help Congress on Earth.
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Some of these programs that might exist that, you know, have not seen the light of day.
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The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.
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When you say crash retrieval, what do you make?
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These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft, if
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you will, non-human, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.
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We have spacecraft from another species.
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David Grush is undoubtedly the biggest whistleblower that we've ever had in history.
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I mean, he's the first official whistleblower that came forward with the legislation that came out in the NDAA.
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And he's saying that I've interviewed all of these people.
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It was my job to interview all of these people.
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I was sent out to do it.
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I had the clearances.
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These people were telling him that they had first-hand experience with craft and with biologics.
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So right now, there are whistleblower cases happening around this issue.
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So anybody out there who may have been involved in a program related to UAP, you know, black programs related to this topic,
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particularly if they think it may not have been appropriated by Congress and authorized,
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they can now come forward and share that information in a secure environment without violating the law or their obligations.
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We now have a number of very senior government officials with very high security clearances that are coming forward.
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And basically, saying we believe there are secret programs buried deep in bureaucracy that are hiding either UFO-crashed materials,
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or, you know, some other sort of exotic technology that we don't think is human-made.
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And just the simple fact that that's happening, it's not just people from the fringe, it's not, you know, people just claiming that they believe this or that.
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These are the people that are entrusted with the nation's secrets.
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Some of them are coming forward and saying, hey, there's more to learn here, and we want to help you find out.
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I think that's remarkable.
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Because I helped those people from the government and the aerospace corporation that showed up in my office and gave them advice on how to do the kinds of analysis they wanted to do,
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they started coming back to me for more.
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A case in point is the Otakama mummy, which many people know about.
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I was brought to help study it because somebody thought it was an alien.
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In fact, I have to be honest. I mean, I reached out to them and said, your claiming is an alien, I can prove or disprove it, at least looking at its DNA if it has DNA.
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I had two other Stanford professors, specialists and genetics, a bunch of graduate students, and I had the world's expert in pediatric bone disorders on the paper.
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That, of course, went worldwide.
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You know what the title was?
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Stanford professor sequences DNA of alien baby.
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It was all over the world.
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I eventually proved that it was a human stillbirth with multiple mutations and bone dysmorphias.
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My entrée to the UFO community was, you know, the hated one.
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You know, the guy who disproved that it was an alien.
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It's one of those weird ones where Gary Nolan's a significant character because the subject is lacked that scientific connection.
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So we rely on people like Gary Nolan to say, I've seen the evidence and this is how I've assessed the evidence.
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And we need people like Gary to do that for us.
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Because I'd gotten a Department of Defense Award for doing ovarian cancer that came about the same time that I was doing the work, I was accused of being bought off.
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These kinds of conspiracy things that you're never lived down.
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People still, I still see it in reddit forums every once in a while.
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You know, science can be done on these things because there's a whole bunch of data on the table.
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But once you start looking amongst all the puzzle pieces, interesting stuff starts to show up.
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I was always driven by curiosity.
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I was at a boarding school, I was seven years old.
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And the headmaster of the school, one of his neighbors, had taken a home movie of a UFO from his backyard.
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And the headmaster of the school was so excited about this.
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He felt we all needed to see this movie.
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We also had a three to five minute segment of a massive golden disc shape object.
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And one of the things that was interesting was clouds look opaque, generally big, cumulus clouds, you know, white.
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But when something goes into it, you see it's actually not very dense, it's wispy.
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This is way before computer generated imagery, this is Hode Act, real, the real kind of stuff.
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So I don't know how that could have been faked.
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And it went into the cloud, eventually disappeared and then came out the other side.
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I was thunderstruck and a bunch of us went running outside looking at the night sky that night, see if we could see something.
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And I started reading every book I could get my hands on.
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It gave me a lifelong interest.
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For years, there was virtually no discussion in mainstream leading news outlets.
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And yet meanwhile, local papers, there were thousands and thousands of reports from small communities all over the world,
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where people in their community had experiences and seen things, you know, the local doctor or the mayor.
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So there was a huge disconnect between the national media and the regional media.
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And why is there such a paradox?
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In 1950, I believe it was May of 1950, Enrico Fermi was a nuclear physicist, one of the fathers of the atom bomb.
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He was one of the seminal physicists involved in advancing research and our understanding of quantum mechanics and subatomic particles and so forth.
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He continued to visit Los Alamos after the atom bomb was developed during the summers.
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He was in the cafeteria lunching with some other scientists and the issue of alien life came out.
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And he made this wise crack.
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Well, where is everybody?
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Everybody had a good chuckle about that, but that has become known as Fermi's paradox.
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If there's life in the universe and life in our elsewhere galaxy, how come we don't see any evidence?
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We don't detect any radio signals, etc.
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The ironic thing is that even as he was saying that, the director of security at Los Alamos had his hair on fire because there were so many UFO sightings right around Los Alamos.
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At the very same time, he said that, I mean, everybody around Los Alamos, the security people, pilots, scientists,
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everybody was seeing these things.
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Just a few months before, there was an overflight of about 100 UAP over the town of Fermi to New Mexico.
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You know, front page news across the states.
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And so it's this huge disconnect with people in this scientific community.
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How come there's no evidence?
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And meanwhile, there's these things that could be alien probes that are swarving all around the very facility where they're saying this.
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The Captain was in the air for a while.
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Oh my God, what is that?
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Quick, quick, are you recording that right now?
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Yeah, I'm recording, I'm recording.
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What the fuck is that?
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The cabin was our place and our little country place, and we certainly didn't expect anything peculiar to happen there.
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But after that night, I became scared.
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I bought a shotgun, I bought a pistol.
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I was really strong out.
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I heard I had been assaulted, and that was obvious to me.
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I mean, I had a mark on the side of my head.
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I had been rectally injured.
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I was obviously the victim of the assault of some sort, but when?
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