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The commander comes to him one day and he says,
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look, I need you to come with me.
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I've been asked to go to S4.
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Way down, under the ground and he said they went in.
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He saw, he saw actual saucers that were there.
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He said, you know, kind of just floating there.
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They were, they're like three or four of them underground.
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Yeah, down underground at S4.
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We come into this area and he said there was this room there
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with this big one-way mirror and there was a being there.
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His commander went in to the room and was having his
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telepathic communication with him and they said they had
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these index cards that had the questions and answers.
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And one of the questions that they asked him, he said,
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was, you know, like, where are you guys from?
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What are you doing here, right?
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The ET guy said, I am one of a person from different
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star systems in our galaxy who have all been tasked
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with going around together to different planets where life
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has actually begun and to monitor what, how is going.
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And that's where I saw the photographs of a crash retrieval.
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Wasn't they doubt about what it was?
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It was not Roswell because it was snow on the ground.
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It was snow on the ground.
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You can see in the photos that it had plowed
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through this field and it plowed up all the dirt into the snow.
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I saw that there were symbols actually on the bottom
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or along the bottom of the dome.
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It was at the top of this.
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It was a classic saucer.
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I actually traced every single one of the symbols.
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Yeah, I'll show you.
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Could you draw what you saw in the picture?
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Yeah, here's the big hillside.
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And so I could see that all along the bottom,
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right along the bottom of the dome.
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The bottom of the dome.
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And the bottom of the dome that I could see these symbols.
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And they looked like this.
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The Church of Scientology believes that there's
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a major confrontation going on between reptilian
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extraterrestrial species from the state of particular eye
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and the people from the Pleiades.
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In the next four-year period, we're
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getting set to lay the groundwork for establishing
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the protocols that are going to govern our relationship
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with this extraterrestrial civilization
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for the next 10,000 years.
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And I was soar to secrecy when I was told about the...
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It's called psionic assists.
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That there's a technology that they've got that
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about that is amping up the capacities of individuals
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to do telepathic communication.
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And it's very dangerous.
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And it's frying out the brains of people that they're testing.
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If you had full authority to subpoena anyone,
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or any person, or any entity, who would it be?
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Are you aware of any whistleblowers or evidence
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not known by the public about to come out in the next month?
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I was wondering if you could find an answer for this question.
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Is it possible that the National Institute of Health
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and Bethesda Maryland is working with a non-terrestrial
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biological material?
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The reason why I asked that is because back when I was a rougher,
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I went to go work at that particular installation
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on a building with three smoke stacks.
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And when we were on our way up to the top of the building,
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the guy came out of the room with a triangular headed entity
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that was maybe about two and a half feet tall in a jar of liquid.
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And as soon as he saw me in my partner,
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he told us that he was very sorry
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and he retreated back into the room.
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Ladies and gentlemen, today we are joined by Danishian,
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who is a constitutional lawyer, who has been involved
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in some of the most important cases in US history,
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including Watergate, Pentagon Papers, Iran Contra.
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He's also a key figure in UAP disclosure
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and an advocate for government transparency.
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He's representing people like Lewis, Alizondo.
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And he's also founded the New Paradigm Institute
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and has been, sorry, your role with the disclosure project
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as well, your 20 years, general counsel
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for the disclosure project for Dr. Stephen Grig.
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So obviously this makes you one of the most important figures
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in the fight for UAP transparency today.
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So thank you, Danny Sheen, for joining me.
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I'm so looking forward to today's conversation
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because it isn't every day that I get to speak with,
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first of all, a Harvard trained lawyer,
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also studied a Divinity School.
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You've got just probably the thickest resume
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out of anyone who's ever sat here
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and possibly anyone will ever meet.
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So it is truly, truly an honor to be able to chat
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with you about all this.
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I appreciate the chance to do it.
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Yeah, so for those of you interested in what Danny's doing,
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I would highly encourage you.
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I do this at the top so people have a chance to look at it.
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But go check out the new paradigm institute
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in what they are doing.
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I left the link below.
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It's wonderful what you guys have set up
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and how long you've been working on this.
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We've talked a lot behind the scenes about this
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and we'll get into that also a little bit later.
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First, I kind of, I've got a bunch of questions here
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that I want to get to, but ultimately,
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I would like us to use this time to get a little weird.
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You're someone who I've been fascinated with,
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with your interviews because you always have
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these really interesting nuggets of information
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that I've never heard anywhere else.
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And I also want to let the audience know that
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this isn't coming from, you know,
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a lot of times there is this frustration with,
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I can't say this or I can't say that.
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But you're a public interest lawyer.
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Can you give us a little bit of a definition of what that means?
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Well, it's interesting.
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It's sort of a thing that we created back in the 70s
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that I graduated from law school in 1970.
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And we were the classes that were coming out of the law
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schools at that time.
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Didn't think that any of the other kind of slots
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And we ended up working for major corporations
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or we'd work for the government as a prosecutor
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or a public defender's office.
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And so the one spot that we had to go to was ACLU.
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If you were going to be doing kind of civil liberties work,
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but ACLU was not as aggressive as a lot of us wanted to be.
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So at the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review,
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I had sent out letters to lawyers all around the country
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saying that, you know, if you have a really interesting
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and important constitutional law issue,
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send it to us and let us, we'll pick some
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and we'll write briefs and stuff about it.
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And that's where the very first case we did
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ended up establishing the right of journalists
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to protect their confidential news sources.
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So it went all the way to the United States Supreme Court
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and it established the right of journalists
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to protect their confidential news sources
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against government compelled disclosure and grand juries, mostly.
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And so we ended up making friends
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with a lot of investigative journalists.
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And so we started discovering all kinds of issues
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that were going on that needed to have lawyers.
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And so we kind of developed this whole kind of public interest
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trust of lawyers all together working on these things.
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And so we developed this kind of category
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of a public interest lawyer.
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So whenever I agreed to represent someone later,
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I would say, look, you've come to me usually
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and asked me to represent you.
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And it's because you've got some kind of a cause,
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a really important thing that you're trying to achieve
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as a matter of public policy.
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I agree with you on that.
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Otherwise, I wouldn't be representing you.
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And so you have to understand that in addition
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to representing you and your particular interest in this,
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we represent the issue itself and the people
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who need to get access to this information.
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So we have to have an agreement kind of up front
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that I'm here working with you on this.
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And we've got our own public interest objectives.
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And so that you need to understand that
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as a condition of our working together.
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So I've had those conversations with Dr. John Mack,
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for example, in Harvard.
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I had that conversation with Marcia Smith
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when she asked me to come and work
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on the major investigation for the Library of Congress,
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the Congressional Research Service for President Carter.
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And I explained that to Luis Elizondo.
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I've explained it to Stephen Bassett
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when I was working with him.
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So I've had a whole series of these clients, as it were.
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It wasn't that popular when I was at this law firm,
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the K-hill firm, where we represented the New York Times
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and NBC, because I would tell him that.
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I'm not going to just do whatever it is you tell me to do.
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In fact, after two years at the firm,
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they explained to me that they thought
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that my interests were not necessarily the same
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as all of their clients in asking me to read flag.
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And I asked me to leave.
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And I said, no, I'm fine.
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I'm representing New York Times and NBC.
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And I get to spend 50% of my time doing public interest cases.
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So I was at Attica Prison.
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Then everybody was killed there.
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Did the representative, the man in the Manhattan House
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of Correction for men, did the filed the big lawsuit
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against them for cruel, unusual punishment?
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And lots of these other cases that I was doing.
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And then I said it to Lee Bailey,
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F. Lee Bailey, when he asked me to come to join his firm,
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when we were doing the Watergate burglary case.
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And for example, I investigated the reason
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why the Trafacati people were in the Watergate Hotel.
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Bailey didn't seem to care, or he may have already known.
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But I conducted that investigation.
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That's how I figured out what was going on,
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why they were in the Watergate Hotel and all that.
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So this is all, because this seems to be the MO,
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that the through line with your work
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is that you're all about transparency.
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You're really, really fighting for the people's right
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to know about UAP, about this consciousness work,
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but also about these other fronts,
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these other civil cases that you've represented.
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And being this type of lawyer, also,
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a lot of this is pro bono work.
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It's all pro bono work.
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Well, except when I was at the law firm.
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It was kind of bizarre.
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I was actually getting paid for it.
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It was kind of unique, because I wouldn't do any.
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I was working all the time.
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So I didn't ever get to use it.
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That's a surprise to a lot of people, I think.
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Most people when they hear lawyer, they think,
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oh, this person's all about the bills and all of it.
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And it's not necessarily the case.
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It actually isn't the case at all with you.
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So to hear that, and this extends beyond just legalities,
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this actually touches into like T.S. clearance opportunities
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that you've denied as well, for the same reasons.
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I refuse to ever accept a security clearance,
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because then I'll never get to telling anybody
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about all the other stuff that I know.
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For, of course, I spent 10 years at Jesuit headquarters
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in Washington, D.C. as their general counsel,
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and they call their social ministry office.
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And so I was into this whole thing,
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if not needing to get paid for anything,
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or charging anybody, anything.
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And therefore gives you the additional freedom
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to say, look, we're representing the public interest here.
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You're here because you agree with me
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that we have to be meeting the public interest.
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So you're not paying me.
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You can't be strong armed by a paycheck.
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But even though I joke once in a while, I mean, people say,
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what do you guess is going on in here?
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What do you guess about this or that?
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I say, I don't get paid to guess.
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Of course, I don't get paid at all, as it turns out.
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We get contributions from people that get tax deductions.
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And just like ACLU or NAACP or anything else.
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So that's, I've set those up over the years.
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I think that's tremendously commendable.
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And obviously, very important for this conversation
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that we're about to have as well.
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I think we needed that at the top because there
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is a growing frustration among the community
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Because people want to, they don't want people
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to have some weird hidden agenda.
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Because that has happened in the past.
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And we've been slided before by this stuff.
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And so I think people are just really critical of whoever
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talks about this subject.
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And I thought that was really, really commendable,
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but also really important to get out of the way.
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Right before we were setting up the cameras,
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you had mentioned something that we spoke about last night.
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Now, you had mentioned this gentleman, Oscar Wolf.
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I mean, this is an amazing story.
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Because it ties into S4, which ties into inevitably Bob
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Lazar, but also Dan Burish, and all these other really
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fringe sort of cases.
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But there is a really interesting portion of the story
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that you're about to tell.
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And that has to do with the deathbed confession.
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Oh, the FBI finds secret JFK assassination records.
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But how can I trust this?
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That's why this video today is sponsored by Ground News.
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In today's landscape, it's quite difficult to locate
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unbiased news, especially regarding UAPs and UFOs
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So I get a call from this old man in his name is Oscar
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And he calls me on the phone at my headquarters office in Washington.
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He wants me to come and see him that he's dying.
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He's in a hospice, actually.
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And he wants me to come and see him.
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And I said, well, I've got a lot of things to do.
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I've got a lot of people I need to see.
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Why should I make this a priority?
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He said that I was, he said in the classified portion of Project
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Blue Book, I was fully employed there as a US Army in the
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stenographer in the bookkeeper.
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He was out in Minnesota.
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I flew into Minneapolis and ran a little car and drove up into
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this little teeny town where he was.
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So I go to the little hospice place.
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And there he is with all the tubes in him in his arms.
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And he's got one of those little things on wheels.
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He's carrying his hand to walk around with.
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So we sat down and he started explaining to me that he was
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assigned to the portion of Project Blue Book that they never
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admitted they had, which was over 700 incidents.
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In which they couldn't conceivably explain it away.
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There were too many people had seen it.
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The witnesses who had seen it were incredible.
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They had photographs or video or something of it.
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And they just couldn't call it swamp gas or search lights on
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the bottom of the cloud.
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Her venous and more.
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And so he was in that section.
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He said, he started telling me, so I'm sitting down with him,
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you know, just like this.
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We're sitting off a little table at the little hospice.
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And he started telling about how that he was a clerk
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typist from the US Army.
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He was in the US Army assigned as a clerk typist to this unit.
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And he would just be in the office all the time.
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And he gave me the name of the base where he was and everything.
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And so I started pressing him to, you know, say, who was your
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You know, what was the name of your unit?
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You know, what years were you there, et cetera.
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And he was forthcoming and telling me this stuff, right?
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And then he gets the point.
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He's saying that he was staying in the office and they had these
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guys would get assigned from different military units,
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mainly US Air Force and, but some Army people.
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And they would come through and they would spend a year,
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sometimes to, you know, going out and doing field interviews
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and interviewing the people and trying to either talk them out
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of believing that it was a UFO or, but finally coming back
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and saying, look at this is the real deal.
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You know, here's my information and he would take it all down
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and keep the records, right?
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Then they would go and others would come, but he stayed
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all through the years at the, in the special division.
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And it turns out it was because he belonged to the same church
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that the commander of that unit was in.
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There's this thing called the worldwide church of God.
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And it was this really fundamentalist, deep kind of conservative
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And so that he got on really well with the commander.
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So he ends up, the commander comes to him one day and he says,
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look, I need you to come with me.
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I've been asked to go to S4 out in the West
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because he was like in New Jersey, there.
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So it's, and he didn't tell him what they were going to do
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there. He's, you have to, I want you to come with me.
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So they go together and they go to Area 51,
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then they take them all the way, like 11 miles away,
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Do you know, do you know, started in truck?
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Do you know if they took a bus or anything or how do they
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Somebody, somebody took them from Area 51.
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And he said they were, he started out just kind of saying,
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I went to Area 51, I was at Area 51, then they put them in
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this vehicle and took him and his boss drove to
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So he said, they were way down under the ground and he said,
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they go in and he saw, he saw actual saucers that were there.
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He said, you know, kind of just floating there.
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They were, they're like three or four of them underground.
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Yeah, down underground at S4.
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And they were just like in these little,
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hangers, little, like little garage like thing.
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He's one of them, a little area and they were just kind of
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And he was kind of, you know, floored by that.
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And they went and they said that we went into this other
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section and we come into this area and he said,
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there was this room there with this big one way mirror.
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Like, and you could see through into the room,
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but you could tell it wasn't a window.
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It was like a mirror and there was a UFO being there,
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It was like like five and a half feet tall and had like this little,
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they had a little blue jumpsuit on him and he was in the room.
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And he thought it was demonic.
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He said, and he didn't want to go near it.
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And, but his, his, his commander went in to the room and was having his
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telepathic communication with him.
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And he was afraid of the being.
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He was afraid of now.
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So he stayed outside in the people that were there that they
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obviously were having some process they were going through with this
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And that they'd been questioning him.
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And they said they had these index cards that had the questions and answers
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They were going to show them to, to Wolf, right?
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And so he's, so in, sorry, index cards, they would of the communications
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that they had previously.
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Yes, they were earlier and they would, they would transcribe them.
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Yes, they were all transcribed.
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And he didn't tell me whether they were printed out or typed or what they
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He just said that they were, they had it there.
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And one of the questions that they asked him, he said was, you know,
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like, where are you guys from?
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And what are you doing here?
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And he said the ET guy said, you know, that I am one of a person from different
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star systems in our galaxy, who have all been tasked with going around
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together to different planets where life has actually begun and to monitor
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He said in the, in just giving reports on this.
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And so he'd been asked to follow because they were like, who's in charge of that?
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And he said, well, you, you people would, it would probably consider God.
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But it's very different than you think it is.
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That's what he said.
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And he said, and I didn't believe him because I thought it was demonic.
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And I've never told anybody, I never told my wife, I never told anybody about
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But I said, I'm dying as you can see.
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He said, so I wanted to tell you that this is true.
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So that's what he explained to me.
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So and, and he said, I was telling you, as we were joking about, you know,
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failing to turn on the record, because I had this little camera that I brought
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with me at the staff said, you got to record this guy.
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So I put it on the table and I, so I got it with, I forgot to turn the sound on.
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You know, so I said to interview the guy for like a whole Saturday afternoon
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and all Sunday morning and the next day.
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I'm just, I'm double check your mic.
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Double check your mics.
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You know, but it was really a bummer.
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But that was that was a wolf.
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So I'm fortunate that I have things like that that happened in the past to get
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to talk to interesting people.
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You know, that instantly makes me think of Dan Burish with J.
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You know, so many people dismissed that story.
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It would be interesting to see him and Bob and all of them just be vindicated one day.
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You know, you, well, Burish, you know, the toys three different times that I had people set up
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meetings that I was supposed to go meet Burish in every single time.
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You know, he'd have some kind of an excuse like, you know, his mother's horse died or, you know,
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You know, and the, and the, or that his wife had decided he didn't, she wasn't talking to anybody anymore.
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And so finally, I just sort of dropped it.
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I've got a whole stack of stuff in my office there of all the Burish stuff and lots of details about it.
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So someday I may have to sit down and go through it again and talk with him.
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What's one question you would ask Dan Burish?
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If you could ask him right now and it would be like the last time you ever saw him, what would that question be?
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Does he have any idea of where J.
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Rod, you know, is now or is anybody else?
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Are there any other beings that we are presently in direct communication with?
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You know, because we've gotten a lot of information since that time of different people that say they've been in
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underground facilities and that there are actually different beings there from different species.
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Actually working together on some of these basis.
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Some of these, some people have, some type of coalition.
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Did we agree with that?
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Something, now that we're going to do now at the New Paradigm Institute,
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now that we've turned our full attention to this because this work has been basically
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kind of ancillary to a lot of the other major stuff that I was doing.
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You know, doing the Iran-Contra case, the Karram-Sulkwood case,
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you know, in all these, but you know, so I would go and work with Dr. Mack on the side,
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basically, and work as General Counsel to his peer group, the project for extraordinary
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experience research, but it was all kind of like on my free time.
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But now that, since Luis Aluzando called me and asked me to represent him,
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I've given this kind of a higher priority in our whole organization, the Romero Institute,
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that is the progeny of our old Christic.
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The Christic Institute is what we set up out of Jesuit headquarters to do the Karram-Sulkwood
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case originally. And then we did the three-mile aisle in case, just stopped them from pumping all the
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radioactive effluence into the Susquehanna River. We did the Greensboro case against the Ku Klux Klan
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and the American Nazi Party that gunned down all those labor organizers down in Greensboro.
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We did the Eddie Carthand, the first elected mayor in the Black Delta, Mississippi,
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first-degree murder case where we caught the guys doing it and put them on the stand and broke it.
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There's lots of really good stories there. But those are kind of the cases and chiefs that I was
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doing all the time and all the other stuff was like weekends. And I would go and do talks at the
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International UFO Congress example in these consciousness things, conscious life, living
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ex-bow. And so I would just go and do these on the weekend and then come back and go right back to
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work on Monday. But this is what you were always really passionate about. This is what drove
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your curiosity for years. We'd spoken last night and you'd said, initially you'd set out to be an
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astronaut. Yeah. Early on in your, you know, you wanted to join the Air Force. You were like,
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this is my way into becoming an astronaut. That's right. And the reason you wanted to become an
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astronaut. Because I wanted to get to meet people from other star systems. And I thought that during
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my lifetime, this is what was going to happen. We were going to in the 100 years so that I had
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here in this, in this particular incarnation, you know, that we would be actually encountering
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the beings. And so I told that to Jacob Jabbis, as I mentioned to you last night, you know, I was
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one of the top three nominees for the Air Force Academy appointment in 1963. I know I don't
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look that old. But with the bottom line is, you know, when he asked me who I wanted to be an astronaut,
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I said, well, because I want to get to go into outer space and get to meet these other beings
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from these other star systems. And he looked at me and he said, you actually believe that there's
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other people on planets. I said, well, sure, I said, so do you. You must, I mean, you're a United States
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Senator. I said, you got to know that. You got to know that. So I was right from the very beginning.
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I was dedicated to wanting to do that. But, but, you know, that, as I mentioned to you last night,
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you know, he ended up, he was so stunned by what I said. As he said, he looked at me, he said,
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look, I've got to admit to you, I'm not supposed to say this, but I've already given the appointment
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to the Air Force Academy to the son of one of my major funders and supporters. That's just the way
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it really is, Dan. So, but I'll give you the appointment to the Naval Academy, you know, and I said,
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I'm not into boats. I want to get to be an astronaut. He said, no, no, you can get to fly and name me
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and be an astronaut. I said, no, I don't want to have to go through all the boats stuff. Yeah.
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You know, I want to do the planes. And so he said, well, like, you can, you can get your
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appointment from your congressman. He said, and you don't have to have the senatorial appointment.
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You know, there's, you know, like, if you dozen congressional appointments from New York,
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you know, who's your congressman? He said, and I said, Carlton King. He said, oh, I know Carl King.
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I'll give him a call. I said, I'll just help him to give it to you. Well, it turns out that he
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gave the appointment, Carlton King gave the appointment to the son of the Republican mayor of
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Glenn's Falls, you know, who was number seven in our congressional district competition.
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Number seven. Yeah. And so I said, oh, look, our government, I thought it was a little bit out of
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tune here. I said, so I'd better become a lawyer. And then I can work a little while and help
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get our government back into tune. And actually, when I got out to practice, I discovered that
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that our government wasn't just a little out of tune. It was playing an entirely different song.
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Yeah. Then we'd been taught, you know, and so that I got caught in this and doing the Iran
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contra case, the Pentagon papers case and in discovering this entire nether world. But all the while.
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Yeah. Still pursuing NHI. Yeah. Well, actually, it reached out to me a bit. I was at
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Jesuit headquarters, right, when in 1976, when the president Carter got elected,
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and when president Carter got elected, you know, one of the very first things he did before he'd
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even come into Washington of having been the governor down in Georgia, he gets elected president
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on November 4th of 1976. And on the 19th of November of 1976, he orders the head of the CIA to come
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down to Plains, Georgia to come to his home and brief him on the UFO issue because he had seen a
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UFO when he was governor. And not just a little light in the sky, but I mean, like the length of a
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football field away, you know, and there were 11 other guys with him who saw it, you know, and so
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he filed a report with NICAP at the time about it. And so the bottom line, he demanded to get briefed
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in. And the person who was ahead of the CIA in November 19th of 1976 was George H. W. Bush.
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That's right. And George Bush said to him, look, he said, what I want to do is before I decide
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to, with a brief, and I want you to agree to leave me on as your CIA director. I want to become like
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J. Edgar Hoover was for the FBI. I want to be able to stay one administration after another.
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And if you'll point me to be your CIA director, I'll agree never to run for public office,
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anywhere ever, you know, and in President Carter said President-elect Carter at that time,
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said, no, I've got somebody in mind already, you know, but he, so he wouldn't, so Bush refused
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to brief him, saying he had no need to know the information, and he wasn't going to tell him.
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So President Carter, after his inauguration, contacted the head of the Science and Technology Committee
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of the House of Representatives and asked them if they would task the congressional research
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service to find out everything that we knew about the UFOs, you know, what documents we had,
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and what witnesses we had, or anything at all. And so that was assigned to Dr. Marsha Smith,
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who was ahead of the Science and Technology Division. You know, and people, people all,
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it sounds more impressive than it really was. You know, people go, oh, Dr. Marsha Smith called you,
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you know, as a headquarter, just picked up the phone and called you to say, no,
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what happened is I was a candidate for the Jesuit presupply at the time.
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And I was like, I was over going to the mass that Dan Barrigan,
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Father Dan Barrigan was the roommate of my Jesuit superior. And so I was, I actually represented
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Barrigan, Phil and Liz McAllister and some of them and some demonstrations and stuff.
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And so that I would go over to the mass when he was in Washington. And I was at mass and there was
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this one woman, and this matrony young woman who was there, and she came over to me and introduced
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herself. And it was Rosemary Chalk, and she was the executive secretary of the National Academy of
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Science. And she said that she wanted to take me to lunch. So we went to lunch and she started
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talking to me, she's saying, oh, you know, you know, I know you, because you did some of the Barrigan
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stuff. And she was a big kind of Catholic person. And so she said, and I looked at you up,
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and I found out these other cases that you did, you know, the Pentagon papers case and wargate
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and all that. And she said, you must have always wanted to be a lawyer. It was just because it must
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come naturally to you. I said, no, actually, I wanted to be an astronaut. And she said, want to be an
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astronaut? Why? You know, and oh, and I told her. And she said, really? You know, you're so you're
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really interested in this UFO stuff? And I said, yeah, she said, look, you should meet one of my
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best friends, Marsha Smith. She's the head of the Science and Technology Division at the
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Congressional Research Service. And she's been tasked to do this major studies for the president.
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You know, you might have, she gives you a call. And so that's how it happened. Wow. So Marsha Smith
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called me and went to lunch with him. She said, ask me if I could get at the Vatican archives
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as a Jesuit council in Washington and probably a better, better odds. Yeah. Yeah. It comes
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through the kitchen window. Sure. Yeah. So I went back and checked with the father Bill Davis,
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who was my Jesuit superior. And he checked with Terry and the other guys that were at the headquarters
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and they ran a fly pole to the provincials, the 10 provincials of the Jesuit order in the
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United States. And they agreed to have me do this. That was very important. Because that, you know,
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that isn't your, your person's sort of under authority when you're in the Jesuit order.
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So that I made sure that we got permission all the way up. So I wouldn't run to some, you know,
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crossfire. Sure. Yeah. So the bottom line is that they all agreed for me to do it. And so I did.
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And in that context, I said, I want to get at the classified portions of Project Blue Book.
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She said, Oh, they'll never, they'll never give us that. And I said, well, you've got to ask,
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you know, and tell them who it is and that I want to get this. And so she said, well, okay,
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we'll ask. And then she got surprised. And a couple of weeks later, she called me back and said,
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I'll be darned. You know, they said you could do it. And we'll bring them to this new Madison
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building, this brand new building. It just got finished getting built actually in Washington.
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Was nobody even in it? You know, that you just go over there, bring two different photos,
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official photo IDs. And you can get to see these things. That's and that's where I saw the photographs
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of a crash retrieval. Wasn't they doubt about what it was? It was absolutely photographs, you know,
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of crash retrieval, which craft, which crash? I don't know. I don't know. It, you know, where? It was,
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it was not, it was not Roswell because it was snow on the ground. It was snow on the ground.
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You can see in the photos that it had plowed, it plowed through this field and it plowed
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up all the dirt into the snow. I was stuck in the side of this in bank, but, you know, that it was
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it was kind of some big earth in bank. There was all cover with snow. It was stuck in the side of it.
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So, so, so the bottom line is that I had seen, I saw the photographs. And so what I did is I,
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I saw that there were symbols actually on the bottom or along the bottom of the dome.
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It was at the top of this. It was a classic saucer, you know, with the dome on top and the big
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disk. Wow. And so I actually traced every single one of the symbols, you know, trace them,
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I, they told me I couldn't take any notes or anything. So they took my briefcase away,
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actually, but part of the room. But I had put a yellow pad. You smuggle them out.
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Well, I'd be careful to use those terms. But the bottom line is just for some reason when I was,
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you know, I when I showed up at the Madison building that as I recall, was a Saturday morning.
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There are these two suits, guys out front of the place. I said there was nobody in the building.
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It was completely empty because they just got through building it. Yeah. And so they hear these
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two suits. He's big, no neck, guys at the door, you know, and they sure they weren't air force.
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They weren't OSI guys. You can tell OSI guys are different, you know, these are kind of no neck
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dudes. No badger. No, no, they just, they were there for my ID, not me for their ID. I see. Yeah.
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And so I had to show my ID and they said, okay, now you go, you go in and you just go down the hall
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to the left to that elevator there and you go down to the basement and you'll see them down there.
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So is I got in the elevator and was going down. I just, I just happened to say, I just opened up
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my briefcase, took out a yellow pad and kind of put it under my arm, kind of linked to I just put
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under my arm. So I get out of the elevator and I look down, I can see the door open down the hall.
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I can see the light coming. I can see these other two suits down there. So I go all the way down the
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hall right away. So no, you got to turn over that briefcase. Okay, you can't bring anything in there
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with you. And they took it and said, you can't take any notes or anything. It's just, so there you go.
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They were kind of resenting. You could tell it was just kind of resentful.
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Just that they didn't want to let you in. Yeah, it didn't seem right. Yeah.
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That I was getting to see this. They didn't seem to agree with it. I'm just saying, I go in there.
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And here's this room, you know, about, I don't know, 20, 20 feet wide, about maybe 10, 15 feet deep.
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And there were these three big cardboard fold out tables with all these little shoe boxes,
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these big, kind of big shoe boxes, kind of light off green government like this.
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That's like that. And so the bottom lines and they had these little ties on them, you know.
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And it was a microfiche machine that was there. So you had to open up the box and take out these
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little canisters and take the film and put it in the little microfiche machine. We're real high tech
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stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's how I found the photographs. Wow. And but once I saw the symbols,
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I said, you know, I want to get this absolutely correct. So what I did is I took the
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leoleop, the olipad and I opened it up to the, and it was weird because I wasn't, I wasn't
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planning it. And then it kind of really, but I just opened it up and I, I slid the cardboard
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underneath the underneath there, the inside of the cardboard. And then I traced exactly because
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I wanted to have the exact order that they were in. Sure. The exact shape that they were in.
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I traced these and I closed them up and I said, okay, look, I better get out of here. I've done,
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you know, I, I don't know how long I would have been allowed to stay in there. But as soon as I found
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the photographs and I traced them, I said, okay, I'm getting out of here. You got what you,
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you got what you needed. So, so I put them all back and I put the little
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leole pattern in the way I'm like, just walk right back out and I picked up my briefcase and started
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going down the hall. And one of the guys goes, hey, hold it. She and hold it. And I turn, I said,
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what have you got there? I said, oh, it's my briefcase. I just picked up my briefcase. It was just
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there. And he said, no, under your eye, they both came over to me. You know, and they kind of,
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one of them just yanked the yellow pad and he flipped through the pages and the question,
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thought on him. And so he handed it back to me like that. So, wow. So, so I, so I bring it all back
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over to the Jesuit headquarters and I go into the father Davis, who was my superior. And I showed
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it to him. So, look at, look at this. I said, and I've got absolute, I've seen the photos. Yeah.
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This crash retrieval going on. And that's what he just, he just leaned down and he kind of
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just opened the drawer and desk and he takes out this little eight and a half by 11 Manila folder
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with a little class. I didn't hand it to me. And so I opened up the class, I pulled off this little
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eight and a half by 11 black and white glossy photo of a UFO. Whoa. In full flight.
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Right. And I look at this and I say, where, where did you get this? He said, uh, my sister Doty
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gave it to me. And I'd met Doty at their little family picnic during the service. I knew her
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in her husband, Mike. And I said, well, where did Doty get it? He said, well, Mike gave it to her.
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Mike was the head air traffic controller at the Seattle airport. Whoa. And I said, well,
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where did Mike get it? So though, his best friend gave it to him, who's a pilot,
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the flies cargo all around up in the Northwest. And he took this with his little brownie camera
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out of the window of his airplane. Oh my god. And he brings it, you know, at that time,
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bring it to the drugstore to get your, you're starting to develop. And when he got it back and he
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realized what he had, he didn't want to report it because he didn't want to lose his license. Yeah.
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So he brings it to his friend who's the head air traffic controller guy. So, okay, now I've given
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it to you and Mike didn't want to get any trouble. So Mike takes it and gives it to Doty and said,
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here, give this to your brother. He's a priest. Wow. The provenance on that is wild. Isn't that something?
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It is something. Yeah. It's definitely something. Do you remember, you've seen the craft,
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you've seen the photo? Yes. Can you describe both of these crafts, what they kind of look like?
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It was really one. Well, the one there's the crash one. This was a crash retrieval. This, this,
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thing, it obviously hit into this field. Yeah. Tell it because it had plowed this crazy disc.
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Yeah. It was a, it was a big disc with the dome on top. And it was, it was like a classic
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flag with a glass dome like no, no, it was a metal dome. Metal dome. And it was a clearly,
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to me like a metal craft. Any panels or no, no, seamless. And there were US Air Force guys all
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around it. I could see them. Oh wow. And they had, they were taking photographs of it. And one of
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the guys actually had a movie camera. And you can tell they had those two big canisters. The
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lenses, oh, the canister. The big canister. So it's like, I don't know, 1950s or late 50s or whatever
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that was. But, but they were, they were, and you could tell that they were like extremely excited.
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It wasn't, it wasn't like this was one of ours. And they were worried about it.
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Yeah. Yeah. You could tell they were, you could tell they were excited. And they were taking
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photographs of this thing. So that's what I saw it. And I knew it. And do you still have the,
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that drawing? No. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's with the Jesuit files. I put it in with
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the Jesuit files. And we brought the Jesuit files with us out to California when we came there
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after the Iran Contra case. And we stored them. This is one of those terrible stories. Sure. And
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that we stored them at Riverside, where we were going to be saying temporarily. And there was one
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of these big things, these big storms that they have in California, whatever they, yeah, they,
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I don't know, they call them something. The fire. No, this was a huge rain storm. Oh, I see. It
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rained for like 12 days in a row and it flooded out. And the people down at the storage facility
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actually took it up on themselves to throw some stuff out. And we didn't know exactly what they'd
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all thrown out. So we all moved to Jackson Brown's ranch. Jackson Brown, by the list, to stay
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his ranch up in, in Santa Barbara. And then we were teaching at the university because we were,
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this was just after the Iran Contra case. And so that we were teaching all about what we discovered
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during the Iran Contra case and the official enterprise and all the assassination programs and
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everything. So that they got lost. It tossed it out. I know, I know what they looked like. And,
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you know, I've, I've been drunk. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. I'll show you.
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here's here's the could you draw what you saw in the picture. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the here's the
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big hillside. And here's this field. It's over here, right? And here's the here's the saucer. The
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saucer is stuck in the in the in the bank. Like this. Right? See? Yeah. And along the bottom of the
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the dome. And what I did is I blew it up with the with the little microfeast machine. Yep. I
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could twist a little dial and get a bigger, bigger picture. And so I could see that all along the
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bottom right along the bottom of the disc right there. The bottom of the dome. And the bottom of
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the dome that I could see these symbols that were there. And so were they etched? They were etched.
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They were they were in they were in the craft. It looked like there was there was like a depth to
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the symbol. Well, it was it was far away. I mean, it was it was far away like this. The photograph
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that was taken you can see the guys you can see the little guys, you know, running around here.
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You know, these two guys were taking photographs. There was a guy over here that that had
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had the camera, you know, with the two little little balls on the top of it. And he was taking pictures
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of it. And they were they were all around it. And it was winter because you can see all the snow
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on the ground. And they had these little, you know, fuzzy hoods on, you know, those little guys.
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So you can see it. And so when I saw those symbols, I said, Oh, look, I'm going to I've got to
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trace these exactly. So I blew it up and here we'll do this little guy.
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We will. And so so that you have the you have the dome like like this.
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And the big craft like that, right? And so they're all along here. And they they look like this.
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Yeah. And and they and they and they went all around the whole 180 degrees that I could see of it.
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There were a whole sequence of them like this. And that they were like different different
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combinations of these straight lines like this, pointing in different directions from left to right
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and right to left. And and then they had these little dots here. And some of them were like little
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long lines and others were these little horseshoe shaped kind of little use like that. And they
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just repeated like that. And they went all around this looks a little bit what Bob Lazar
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described on the inside of the craft. He had this panel which went transparent. And then there's
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these symbols that appeared. Well, that's what it was. That is. And so I said, you know, I better
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because I said, I figured that what we could do, even though I can only see this half of them,
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that you know, someday we were going to be able to figure out by putting them into a computer of
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some sort or to figure out what what that was. So I brought it back to the headquarters.
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That is fascinating. I have seen those symbols. I don't know where, but I've I mean, I've got so
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many books in these old that you they always just come across my desk and old files. You never
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know what's real and what isn't. And right. But this to me is like, it's very credible. That's
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that's the real deal. What was your feeling when you saw this? Because that is for some people,
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that would be enough for them to lose their minds. Well, what what it was is that I'd always assumed
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that there, you know, ever since I was really little. And I first got to be outdoors at night
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when the stars would come out. Yeah. When I realized what stars were that they were like
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sons of with planets. Obviously, they must have planets going on because if they're like
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sons like ours, you know, they must have these planets and there's people probably on them.
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You know, and I never thought much about what the people would be like. I just said, I thought
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it was fascinating. The perspective of being down here, like sitting in the grass on my yard and
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looking up and seeing these stars and saying, look how weird it is of all of what we're doing down
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here, running around, not even paying attention to that. You know, in the, in the, not doing these
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weird things to each other, you know, without taking into account, you know, the kind of
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perspective of this really brought to us. And so I'd always been confident it was true. Then when I
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I guess the the Betty and Barney Hill thing, I was really fascinated by that and got a copy of that
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incident at Exeter and in Reddit, Fuller's thing. And I was always kind of keeping track of
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of all of this. And that I would always whenever I was out at night, I would always kind of take
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time to step aside and just stop and look up at the stars and pick out a particular star.
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And just I realized when I was saying that the stars, pults, you know, in the planets don't.
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The planets just are just a beam of light like that is how I could tell the difference.
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I would pick out one star and it was just sort of pulsing. And I always kind of had the sense of
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like maybe maybe that's like Morse code or something. Maybe they're kind of sending little
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little messages to us. And we just don't have them kind of figured out how to interpret those
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things yet. And so the bottom line is I'd always been that way. And so when I saw this,
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when I saw this thing, I looked at my feeling was just like, yeah, there it is. You know,
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there it is. There is one of them right there. And I'd seen almost any photograph or anything
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that I've ever seen that was purported to be one. I would find it and look at it and say,
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how are we doing and getting these things to identify. So when I saw this thing, and I said,
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yeah, that's one of them right there. But it was the first time I'd seen symbols like that.
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I mean, it's something to see it in the setting that you saw it into. I think that that makes it,
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you know, much more important as a official. This was official. These were the files.
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This is in some obscure magazine or, you know, or these were the classified blue book stuff that
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they brought. And so this is one of the first things that I told, what's this at the, in the
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arrow, what's it? Sean, Sean Kirkpatrick. Yeah, it's first thing I told him. I said, you know,
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I've seen it. You know, I saw the drink and this was a crash retrieval. I said, you know,
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that so there's a direct, not exactly I witnessed, but there's also a video apparently. I said,
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I said, they've got to have the photographs and the videos and they've got to have the records
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of having brought them to Washington. That's right. They've got to have those records. So there's
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four guys, because I saw the two guys at the front door and the two guys downstairs. So there's
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there's records that they'll have all their their reports. So those are all there, you know. So
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when he, when he, you know, published this thing saying they had no evidence of any sort had no
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one had ever given them any information or evidence, you know, and I told them all about Clifford Stone,
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and all about my interviewing Clifford Stone, you know, for the disclosure project.
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And said, get all of his records. Find out what is all there. So I laid the stuff out in detail
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to them, you know. That's remarkable. Yeah. It's remarkable that it's so close yet so far. Yeah.
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You know, it's like right under their noses and yet we're acting like we're looking in space
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and at the bottom of the ocean. And it's like, hey, it's in a shoebox somewhere under your feet.
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Well, the thing that was realized that that that father Davis was so impressed by this that what
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he did is he talked to the other people at Jesuit headquarters and we got permission to go to the
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Washington interreligious staff council in Washington, DC that had representatives of the major 54
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major religious denominations in the United States and made an official presentation to them
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about this, asking them to put a put together a task force so that we could start getting all
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the churches and synagogues and stuff together in temples to come to grips with this thing.
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I remember Judy Stone was the head of the time and she kind of stared around the room.
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She said, well, are there any other suggestions? You know, they just were not going anywhere near
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but the Jesuits were all supportive of trying to get them very intellectual the Jesuits that
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are all very intelligent. You know, there's that yeah, that they're able to perhaps fit that
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into their ontology. Sure. Whereas it's much harder for I think some of them. Well, they're smart
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enough to alter their ontology. Exactly. Let's say they've got it. Yeah. How does this?
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That's their job. It's to reform the church. You know, speaking of Jesuits and religion and
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UAPs, I mean, there's also this connection between not only Scientology and the UAP subject but also
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Mormon connection as well in intelligence specifically. You know, and we can get into each of
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those separately but I'd like to start with the with the Mormons of something we didn't talk about
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last night either but I thought it was really interesting because obviously you have Dougway that's
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out there which is area 52 which is like, you know, seems to be one of the most interesting places.
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You know, save S4 perhaps but you also have BYU that's there. You've got all this sort of,
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you know, and there's that long history of there was even a civil case against the FBI for,
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I think it was discrimination because they were only hiring Mormons at one point.
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Yeah. They were pretty close. Yeah. They were pretty close. I actually did a case on that.
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Really? Yeah. There was a Mormon guy who had, he'd been approached by the FBI. No, he was
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approached by the CIA actually to plant faults, intelligence information with Russians.
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Some Russians had approached him for some, I don't know exactly what he was doing but he got
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approached and so the CIA approached him to to salt in faults information so they could track
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where that faults information went. They could figure out the chain and so and it turns out someone
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reported him. Is it the FBI and the FBI arrested him? All right and he went to his local bishop
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in the Mormon church and told him all about this and it was the Mormon bishop that turned on him.
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And actually, is the guy who contacted the FBI when he told him about it? And so I got contacted
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by some of the hierarchy in the Mormon church because I had done the cases, I did the case for
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the Church of Scientology people who got subpoenaed in New York to be dragged into a grand jury
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up in New York and I was upset about the fact that the Justice Department was trying to
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compel them to reveal information about the internal workings of the Church and so I went up and
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did the case to quash that subpoena and that's why I got asked eventually to be the lawyer for
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Elrond Hubbard and his wife Susan. Anyway, long story. We'll get into that. Yeah, yeah, but
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so the bottom line. Put a pin there. Yeah, but the bottom line is I so I had done that case and so
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that they contacted me to say, look, can't you make some kind of an argument that that was a violation
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of his pre-penetent kind of confessional relationship with his bishop and that the FBI didn't have
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any right to do that. Well, what I did instead is I brought in a fellow who I'd also been approached by
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the fellow named Ron Rewold. Ron Rewold was a CIA guy who actually ran a hello,
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hello phone base for the agency out of Hawaii that pretended to be a private investment firm
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in CIA guys and be given credentials at being agents for his investment firm and they were running
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around all over Asia spying, you know, and it's funny story. His brother, his brother comes
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walking into my office at Jesuit headquarters pleading with me to do something to help him
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because he'd been arrested out in Hawaii and what had happened is that this hello phone operation
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have been set up by the agency as a front for giving credentials, false credentials to these alleged
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investment agents that he worked with ran around spying on people in Asia and what happened is
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he only had six investors in his investment firm and one of them was ahead of six pack to
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six fleet. The Admiral one of them was ahead of the CIA in Hawaii and other than was one of the
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major generals there and he had these kind of select group of hand picked government officials
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that he was benefiting by having this private investment firm as the front for these other guys
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and it turns out that he gets contacted by the agency and they said, you know, this is not good to
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have just these guys. This is kind of suspicious, you know, that you got to have more investors in
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this. So he ends up putting an ad in the newspaper in a Honolulu newspaper advertising his private
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investment firm, guaranteeing you 100% return on your money every year annually, right?
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in the head of the Bunkle squad in the Honolulu police department, someone reports the students,
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look at what he and so he drives up to this guy's estate, this Ron Rewalds, saying,
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here are these Arabian horses racing, you know, in Lamborghini sports cars all over
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ever and so he said, this guy is a total fraud and he arrested him and brings him down and puts
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him in the slammer down and so he's freaking out around Rewald trying to tell him to look at I
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can't tell you this, but you know, I worked for the agency that this is an operation you need to
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contact and of course the agency denied knowing the law and so he's freaking out and he calls his
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brother to come to Hawaii to help him. So his brother gets breached in on this and it comes to me at
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Jesuit headquarters on a Y exactly, but he ended up coming to me and I said, look at I don't
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necessarily believe your brother or you, you know, that he's really running a legit hello phone
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place for the agency. You're going to have to bring me some kind of documentation to this. So he
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goes back and the talks his brother and he tells him toward these documents and he brings him back
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to me and here they are. There are copies of the the Japanese blueprints for the bullet train that
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they'd heist this summer. Also all this stuff about bow rights, you know, going into Laos and
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Cambodia looking for our POWs and it was all run by the agency, you know, and I said, oh, this is
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the real deal. And so I started doing something to try to help him and I realized that when I got
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contacted by this the Mormon, some of the Mormon leadership because I was at Jesuit headquarters,
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right? And so I said, oh, what I can do is have this guy around re-wall flown in to the Eastern
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District of Virginia, which is the CIA court, the federal district court for these district is
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everybody knows us, the agency that kind of runs it. And so I have him flown in and have him testify
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on behalf of the Mormon guy that, you know, that they did the same thing to him that he was a full
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agency guy and they lied and wouldn't acknowledge him. And so there was credible, it was credible
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evidence to support the fact that what the other guy was saying was true. And so it comes around
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re-walled and the two US Attorney show up opposing might being able to present him,
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asserting that it would reveal national security information. And so the judge said, oh, so that
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you're acknowledging them, Mr. Rehwalt, and they said, no, no, we're not acknowledging that he really
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is a CIA person, but we're asserting national security. Mr. Shein can't talk to him. He doesn't
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have an article of security clearance. So the judge says to me, Mr. Shein, what kind of security
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clearance would you like? And I said, a cure clearance, you're right. I'll take a cure clearance. And
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he said, could you have it? So I got to sort of a cure clearance by the Eastern District.
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Not that not that what I held up, at least what I got to talk with him at grade length about
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all the stuff that they were doing. And that's how I got to meet Bo Grites, you know, who was running,
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Bo was running those, those POW field, but that's I guess how you found out that there was a long tie
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between recruiting Mormons. Yes, right. You know, part of that goes into their specific
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belief system as well allows for life on other planets. Not necessarily not human because that's
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how it started. I mean, that that's how the Mormonshire started was these these beings of light.
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Yes, actually presenting Joseph Smith with these plaques, these plates that had all these
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writing stuff on them. Yeah. And that said that there was they were seeding life on these other
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planets, human life. Yeah. So, you know, already in their own religious belief, they're already
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inclined to expand their universal or galactic awareness into other beings. Yeah. Secondly,
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they don't smoke, they don't drink, they don't swear. They're all ready for the uptake.
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They don't drink caffeine. Yeah, they don't party. They're all ready for the FBI. Yeah. And lastly,
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collateral, they have large families. Yes. And so you look at this and you're like, and I mean,
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you know, also, ethnically speaking, they're all white guys. And that's like, it's also the FBI
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is very happy with exactly all three letter agencies. I would say that.
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Well, FBI, specifically FBI, you can tell a fee, you know, right across the street. Right.
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They fit the bills. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, because I've heard through reports that I've
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read that there was like active recruiting at BYU and that the funnel to go into these three
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letter agencies was quite direct like it was pretty like you apply your in. It was like Yale
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with the agency. Yeah. The the yellowies are lean in heavy on the agency. They tried some of the
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recruiting at Harvard. It didn't work as well. But but Yale is very responsive. The stolen bones,
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especially. Yeah. They're pre selected. Yeah. So that's that's really interesting. When you can
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have trustworthy people like that work in those capacities around these secret, you know, deep
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on a ground military basis and makes it really interesting. Now, transitioning into Scientology,
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you mentioned quickly and passing that you were offered to represent Al-Ran Hubbard. Yes.
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Now that's quite the opportunity. Well, it's interesting. The the way that it happened is that
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that when when when I came to Jesuit headquarters that they they came up to Harvard Diff School to ask
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me to come down to to Washington to be legal counsel for the Jesuits. And I had I had when I arrived
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one of the first things I did is I went over and saw Bob Draining. Father Bob Draining was a
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Jesuit priest who was the congressman from Brookline outside of Boston. And he was the chairman of
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House Judiciary Committee. So I had to go over to see my other thing. We were opposing Senate Bill
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one, which was this big Senate bill that was prepared by Richard Nixon just after he came in.
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And he had Rehnquist as a special assistant attorney general, a redraft the entire federal criminal
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code into this kind of totally reactionary hard core. It's sort of like, you know, project 2025
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for that back then, but to redraft the entire federal criminal code. And so we were opposing that.
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And we had helped organize this coalition of of 81 different federal organizations,
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citizens groups to oppose it. So I went over to see if Bob Draining as head of the Judiciary
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Committee to get them to bottle up Senate bill on the House side and just not let it even go to
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the floor, right? And so when I was there, I talked when I was saying, you know, why is it that,
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you know, down here in Washington, you know, you got the, you know, you got the green piece for all
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the environmentalists. You got the natural organizations for women. You got the ACLU. Why don't the
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churches, you know, have some kind of organization, collective organization for dealing with public
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policy? You know, we've got some basic values, you know, human rights values, et cetera. And he said,
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oh, well, you know, they're afraid of the church in the state, you know, blending together. And I said,
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well, the fundamentalists aren't paying any attention to that, you know, why aren't the liberals
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and progressives doing anything? He said, well, you know, that they're really leery about the Catholic
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church because of the long history of the Catholic church dominating in all of Western civilization
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for a thousand years, you know, in especially the Jesuits. And so I said, well, look, let me try to
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reach out to some of the folks to see if we can get past that. And so I did. I went and met with
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Rabbi David Saperstein, the Union of American Hebrew congregation. I met with Joe Elders or
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the Methodist and met with Bob L. Perne or it's, you know, Terrence, I went around to actually
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meet the people. And so we organized a thing called Washington Interreligious Staff Council.
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And we put together this group that would meet once a month. And we would discuss all the
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different public policy issues that were going on. And we put together task forces. We put together
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task force on nuclear disarmament, a task force on more just economics. We had these task forces.
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And one of them was a task force on human rights and criminal justice. And I chaired that for the
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country. And so that one of the things I did is I wanted to have consultants come in like ACLU
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and some others to be able to be in our meetings so we could talk with them. And all of a sudden,
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I don't know what the third, fourth of these monthly meetings that we've gotten organized.
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This young couple shows up and says that they're from the institute for human rights.
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I was going institute for human rights. I haven't even heard of that at all. But they were
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extremely well dressed and very polite and everything. And they started advocating that we do
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something about psychiatry and psychiatrists. That they were the bane of our existence. And we
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added to something about making them illegal. And I said this kind of a weird topic. And then I
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checked out and turns out that the search of Scientology was deep into opposing psychiatrists.
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So the next time the couple came over, I pulled them aside. I said, you guys are Scientologists,
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right? They were going, well, I don't know. Judging I mean individually, but that's not why I said,
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you don't have to do that to me. And I said, you know, I'm very open minded. And you guys are
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recognized by the IRS as a church. It's okay with me. And besides, I have just consulting groups.
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So they were totally delighted that I was tolerant. You weren't judgmental. No, no. So they were
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very happy about it. And so they came and then a couple months later, they asked to apply to become
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members of the Washington and really the staff council as a church. And I said, now that's a little
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more formal. So I went and talked to Jim Hamilton who was ahead of the National Council of churches.
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And he said, absolutely not. You know, we're not going to allow them in. I said, well, that's kind
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of a strange position to take. You know, you're just kind of asking them out. Have you done any
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research or anything on them? And they said, no, but we know, you know, they're having a whole bad
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thing with the IRS. IRS is trying to take away their tax exemptions. I said, well, I'm going to
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just let them stay as a consultant to our thing. So they were very happy. And then, I don't know,
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a couple months later into the process, you know, I'm getting set to go out of town this one one
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Friday morning. And I stopped at a phone booth because we didn't have cell phones back then.
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It's an I'm older than I was. Yeah. So I didn't have cell phones. We're good. Okay, but you didn't have
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I wouldn't have television. So the bottom line is so I call into the headquarters. And I say,
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is there anything going on that I need to do before and build a father Davis? Oh, I'm so glad.
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He said the church of Scientology people have been calling the phones off the hooks all morning.
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You know, the FBI is showing up at their place and they've changed saw it off their doors.
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And they, you know, turns out the FBI showed up, uh, changed saw the doors off the headquarters
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in Washington and contemporaneously saw the doors off the headquarters in Los Angeles at the same
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time. Uh, you know, and, and I drove over there. Uh, and here's this big mass arrest wagon, you know,
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with all the antennas and they've got people and they've rolled, they have rolled these, uh,
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Xerox machines into the headquarters and they were Xeroxing every piece of paper in the entire
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place. Right. And so I said, I said to the guardian or the legal counsel for the guardian's office.
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I said, you know, is there a warrant here somewhere? And he said, well, that's the guy over there.
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He's got the warrant. So I go over and I confronted the guy and he get a look at the warrant.
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You know, in the war, it said, you know, that they're looking for any evidence of electronic listening
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devices and they go down through this whole thing and they get all the way to the bottom of the
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thing and say, and any evidence of any other potential violation of federal or state law. I mean,
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it was an absolute general warrant. I mean, you couldn't have drafted a more, you know, illegal
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and illegal. They'll take anything over, but anything you can find. Right. So I went over
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and meet over to Judge Green over in the federal district court because I was admitted there
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and got a restraining order against it and struck down the warrant. And I came right back and
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delivered it to the people and I got to write the actual order for the judge. And it was the
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man knew that they returned all fingerprints off documents and Xerox copies, you know, any,
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photographs they'd taken inside the facility, you know, it was just completely thorough. So it
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just extracted every last thing out of the hands of the feds that had come in. And so they were
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ecstatic there at the Church of Scientology, right? And it was just two weeks later that the
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subpoenas were issued up in New York for the top 20 leaders of the Church of Scientology to come to
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a grand jury. And I was totally offended at the fact that they were doing that. So I went up
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and struck down that one too, you know, just as an ancillary thing. And so that's when I got
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these guys showed up at my office, Judge Redcourt, saying that, you know,
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over on Hubbard would like you to consider becoming a lawyer, the lawyer for him and his wife's
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isn't. And I said, well, no, I said, is a condition proceeding from even being willing to go
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meet with him. You know, I'd have to be given access to every single document anywhere in the
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world of the Church of Scientology to be able to review ahead of time. You know, and I figured
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that's just not that's a nonstarter, right? Two weeks later, they come back and it's a deal.
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You know, that's around her. I'll show you to be the lawyer. And so that they flying me down to
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the blue cube down in where I was in Florida. Anyway, they fly me down there. So I get a hold of
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Bill Taylor, who was my investigator at the Bailey's office. And he's the president of the Florida
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Association of Professional Private Investigators. So I bring him with me and we go to the blue cube down
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there and in Florida. So we go in and we come into this, they bring it up in this big room. And
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one of them is the head of the Guardian's office for the Church of Scientology for the country.
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And they had the international guardian of the Church of Scientology worldwide sitting there at the
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table. And so he says to me, what's the first thing that you would like to see? And I said,
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I'd like to see the file that you got on me. And the other guy from the US, I was saying, no,
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we don't, we've got, we wouldn't. And I said, excuse me. I said, well, look, I fell off some
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melon wagon somewhere coming out of the country. I said, you know, if you're asking me to be the lawyer
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for on Howard, and you don't have any file on me. And the guy said, turns in your national guys,
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just go get him the file. So he goes and brings me the file. So I leave through the whole thing.
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Look, I'm showing it to Bill Taylor. And you know, he's got pictures of me in the restaurants and
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meetings and different things. Recent pictures or yeah, yeah, yeah, they were taking you out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, had pictures of the, you know, the blue flame that we drove father David Davis
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is a little Ford Falcon. We had the license plates. I didn't know that. So then I said, okay,
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I just wanted to make sure it was accurate. And so then the international guardian said, so what,
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what is it you want to see now? And I said, I want to see the three most sensitive documents
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anywhere in the world. According to your opinion is the head guardian. And he went, oh,
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shit. Oh, no, yeah, he said that. And so he went off to get him. He could have showed you
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anything. Yeah, he could have, he could have, but on the other hand, then I wouldn't have even
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should have been the lawyer. Yeah. So that's how that's how I got shown the first, the first one,
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so it was all about it was all Ingo Swans reports. Ingo Ingo was a high level clear of just
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Scientology. And he was one of the main remote viewers in the remote viewing program with
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the help put off. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sir, I helped put off and and Russell Tarrick's rest
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Tarrick. And so that so that he had all the reports there. And it turns out that Ingo Swann was
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filing reports with the Guardian's office on this top secret your office is available in
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intelligence operation. They had going on of the remote viewing because they were trying to
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figure out how to communicate with our nuclear submarines. So because the submarines would have to
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come to the surface and put up an antenna to have any communication and then they get picked up
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by the Russians satellites. Wow. So that was the goal there. That was how it started. Yeah, that's
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right. What they had done, what they had done, as I saw it. And the final that they had they had
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gotten this mother rabbit in her litter. And they had taken the mother rabbit and they'd had her
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there in Connecticut, one of the big naval bases there. And in this little cage and they hooked
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her all up to these Electro and Suffolograms, Electrocardiograms and everything. And they took the
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little members of their litter and they put them in these different nuclear submarines around the
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world. And then it put an absolute designated second, you know, on these like atomic clocks.
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They would start torturing one of the little babies. And instantaneously the brain waves and the
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mother would start freaking out. And going all off the thing and she start banging around inside
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the cage, trying to figure out what to do to how to get to go. And so they realized that there was
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something that was going on here that enabled the baby rabbit and the mother to have this kind
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of communication that was like instantaneous. And so that's how they started, that's how
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that's how the program started. I was saying that there's something going on. There's some
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phenomenon here, a person to which these mammals can do this. And so that's how the thing started.
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And it was all in the files. Survival again. Yeah, yeah. And so I started looking through the
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stuff and then Ingo Swan was filing these reports. And they filed this report about this one
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fellow named Pat Price, who was there. And they went, had the details of this challenge that
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they gave to him to try to promote view a particular place in real time. And he did. And he said,
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okay, I can see where the place is here. They gave him the longitudinal attitude, right? And so
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he started saying that's some kind of a facility. It's got like a big fence with razor wire
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at the top of it. And this kind of no man's land around it. And in in rust hard was kind of
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processing and through this thing, he said, okay, can you can you go on the other side of the
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fence? Can you see me? Can you get over to the other side of the fence? And he said, okay,
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okay, I'm over on the other side of the fence now. He said, well, can you go up to the front door
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of the place and said, okay, I can yeah, I can see or I can see over there. I'm in front of the door.
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He said, can you go through the door? And he said, okay, yeah, I can see what's on the other side of
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the door. I go over to the side of the door and he said, what do you see? He said, I can see this
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big hall. And there's like three doors on the right and two doors on the left. And he said, okay,
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now go down to the center door on the left. He said, okay, I'm down there by the door.
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Can you see what's inside the room? He said, okay, yeah, there's a big table and desk and
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stuff and there's a big file cabinet in the right corner. And he said, go over to the file cabinet.
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Now, the second drawer, the first file, can you read what's in the file? And he read off to them,
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what was in the file? And it turns out this was a highly secret CIA base out there around
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Washington. And so they could confirm that he had accurately read the content of the file.
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Wow. Okay. And that's this is this is there right in the file in front of me. And so I was saying,
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wow, that's something. And he said, and the Pat Price was so good that what they could do then is
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they could just show him the photograph of a a a boomer class Russian nuclear submarine.
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And then he could find it right down to the minute and second, a longitude and latitude to
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pour it was in the depth where it was in the ocean. And he did it. And the first time that he did
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and located this this guy, there was a UFO hovering right over the top of where the where the
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submarine was and following it around. And it was there. It was there in the file. And he
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removed you the UFO. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was all there. And so then I started talking later
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with the guy about then they showed me another file that showed this thing that I told you about
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that made me not I saw I'm not going to have any do with this. And I just refused to work with
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him. Yeah. But they tried to talk me into doing it still. There was the other thing with the radar.
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It just notes the the it wasn't radar. It was a it was a thing that Pat Price did. It was a
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center in Canada. It was in the South Central Canada just across the border north of the peninsula
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in Michigan. And it was this little it was like a little a little mini observatory.
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The little dome building. And it had these big antenna on top of it. These radar these dishes,
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these broadcast dishes. And they brought Pat Price there. And they put this helmet on him
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in this chair. And they put this helmet on him and had him just concentrate on sending this message
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out telepathically. And then they turned the little antenna or the domes or the dishes down onto the
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peninsula of of Pennsylvania of Michigan. And he kept broadcasting seeing him here. File your next
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federal income tax forms in this little post office box in this little tiny town in West Virginia.
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And like 80% of all the people did it. And so that they've got this capacity. They've got that
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capacity. That's mind control. Yeah. That's that's that's mind control on a massive scale. Yeah.
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Yeah. Massive scale. It's like a neuro linguistic programming like but for like a whole slew of
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people all at one time. Yeah, but it's not even linguistic. No, it's just neural programming.
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Neural programming. And so that so I when I saw the third program they had that I refused to
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yeah, to say with you know, so I ended up that the the the fellow who's still legal counsel.
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main legal counsel for the church of Scientology was there. And they were trying to talk me into it.
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I kept asking more questions about in what it was is that that the church of Scientology
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believes that the that there's a major confrontation going on between reptilian
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extraterrestrial species from Zeta, particularly. And the the people from the Pleiades.
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And that the Pleiades are the good guys that look just like us. They're like homo sapiens.
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Now these reptilians in the reptilians are trying to take over our planet and that they've struck
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a deal with an element inside our United States intelligence and defense infrastructure
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and that they're engaged in trying to transform the climate of our planet to turn the heat up
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on our planet and have it be more jungly and and and hot and stuff because of the reptilian people
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want to be able to say the warms. Yeah. And they believe that that they are assigned or they've
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taken upon themselves these Simon to stop this horrible thing from happening that they're on the
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side of the Pleiades and that they're opposed to the reptilians and they're opposed to this
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deep national security state here. Who is this? This is the church of Scientology.
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Church Scientology. Yeah. And they believe that they're entitled to all the same
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sovereign immunity of any nation state claiming they are entitled to at least the same status
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that the Catholic Church has. And they're they're they're goals to help the Pleiades to
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so what's interesting? It's interesting. The planet against being invaded and occupied by the
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reptilians. That's the that's the model lines. While we're where they're at. There's I'm reading a
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file right now. Have you ever heard of the Lasserta files? Lasserta. Yeah. No, that's the circle.
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I've heard Lasserta. No. So Lasserta is apparently in 1999 this man who remains anonymous met with a
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reptilian and who calls herself Lasserta. She's like, you can't pronounce my name. It's like a bunch
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of hissing and whatever. But she meets with him in her true shape, reform or whatever and fills
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him in through this document. They met twice. I'm reading I've read through you know the part one of it.
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And she's basically filling them in on the history of the reptilian and what happened on the planet.
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And so basically it's funny that you say like these humanoid looking Pleiadians because according
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to Lasserta, those are the bad guys. And she says they're she says they're very conniving because
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they look like us. But here's okay. So in a nutshell, yeah, 65 or like 100 million years ago,
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whatever it was, this planet had nothing really going for it. And there was the Saurians as she
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called them like dinosaurs were here. And intelligent life naturally evolved into what she called like
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the iguanodons, the ones with the thumbs. She's like, those were actually intelligent beings and
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like they lived here, whatever. But then there was a war being fought between these humanoids and
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these other reptilians. Now they don't know exactly where they're from. They think possibly a
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separate universe even, but they came here and they were fighting for this planet. One of them was
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fighting for resources. And the other one was fighting for what I think we refer to them as the
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Elohim or like Elohim. Yeah, exactly. Elohim. Yeah. And so basically the Elohim were coming here to
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manipulate these these monkeys that were hopping around in trees and the reptilians were already
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living here underground and everything else. It was their planet. And then Elohim came here,
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manipulated the monkeys to turn them into humans so that they could mine the planet for them and
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act as their slaves. The golden copper as well. They said, so anyways, they ended up leaving for
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whatever reason it was. And the reptilians were living were kind of like being forced underground
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because of these others. But they were like, this is our planet. We were here first. And so they
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were just trying to defend their planet. And what happened is in the Bible, they wrote the Elohim and
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all of these human looking creatures in as angels because the Elohim would start siopping humans
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and telling them the reptilians are evil. We're good. We're here to help you. And when in fact,
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as the reptilians, that were good. And they weren't interfering with us at all and they weren't,
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they were trying to be peaceful. So it's really interesting to hear that side.
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There's one of one of the many challenges that we have in the whole UFO investigation
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in the community because people get extremely creative in down into detail. I mean, look at the
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people with Star Trek. I mean, there are people who basically even believe Star Trek is true.
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Yeah, they built the universe. Yeah. And they know all the different names of everybody. They know
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all the different plants, they know all the different series. And they like they've got no life.
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Yeah. And they live in this complete fictional construct of some sort. And now with the games
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that they have, the computer games, there are people that are just their whole life is made up
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of playing these games. And they've somehow dispaired, I think, of the legitimacy of truth.
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You know, and in the importance of truth because they've they've disparate of being able to trust
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any people in positions of authority because the people in positions of authority have been so
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discredited. I'm afraid I have to take some credit for that over the years, you know, because I
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thought that it was not good to have people just blindly believing whatever the authorities told
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us. You know, I took the Constitution seriously that you know, don't don't blindly trust the
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government, you know, challenge them, you know, make sure they prove what they're doing. And if
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they're doing things incorrectly, correct those things. In the, in some people, I think in kind of
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a reductionist mindset, the minute they can't have absolute confidence in what the government says,
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they have none at all. And the minute that you point out that there's some pretty
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nefarious things going on with the government and you try to mobilize them to cure those things,
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they just throw in the towel. Yeah. Is they I don't believe in any of that any more. But when you
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find people, you know, spending entire weekends sitting watching men knock a little ball,
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as far as they can and knock it into a hole and they spend the, you know, millions of dollars,
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you know, watching that stuff and listening to that or chasing a football up and down the field,
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or, you know, basketball, bang, debang, debang, and you stick it in the hoop. You know, they've,
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what they've done is they've substituted some kind of, you know, a constricted realm of absolute
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attention that they can pay to something where you get winners and losers in a, in a, in a
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dialectical dynamic that is somehow energizing. And it provides some kind of a sense of purpose or
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value to their lives. Some of them are, are these fanatical, I mean, take a look at the Los Angeles
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Raiders fans, you know, who dress up in these crazy, Munchock and aliens. We got some wild fans here too.
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Yeah. I mean, it just, I mean, in that they've, they've substituted really trying to pay attention
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to anything really important in the world, because they're despairing of being able to trust the people
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in the authorities, right, so that they've attached themselves to this other completely
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organization, by an area world. Yeah. And, and, and meanwhile, you know, 10 million people
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were a year starved to death on the planet. You know, millions of others die of diseases that
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we've known to cure for for a hundred years. And the people aren't paying any attention to that
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at all. They've been, they've been burnt before and that's as far as they're willing to go.
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And so that we, we have this important responsibility to try to reestablish
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legitimacy in the, if we believe that there are some legitimate institutions that can be helpful
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to people collectively, our collective decision making as a human family. You know, that we,
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we have to try to resuscitate some trust in the institutions, even though, you know, I,
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I found it fairly simple early on just to take a kind of just go after them. And it, you know,
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find out what they're doing wrong, go after them, bring them into court, you know, but all the time,
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I was attempting to prove that the judicial system could work. Yeah. You know, so therefore,
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that we can, we can, you know, use the proper channels to get our government back in tune. Yeah.
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As I said, I started out thinking I just had to kind of help retune the government to be doing
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what it's supposed to be doing. But the real problem is that I just have discovered that, you know,
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that our country had been captured by this national security element that was directly linked with
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corporate power and private greed. And, and I can see where people would almost despair of being
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able to break that hold, you know, and, and also chide us for only being able to get partial
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victories each time. You know, you know, that we can get them to stop doing like the enterprise. We
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can get them to stop, you know, shipping weapons to the government, you know, the, the contra forces
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against the Nicaraguan government, you know, or we can get them to stop the heroin smuggling coming
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out of Southeast Asia into Havana, you know, with Batista. No, but, but the bottom line is that they
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still keep on coming. Yeah. You know, and so that a lot of the young people just give up on that.
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Naturally. And so that this, this, this issue here with the, with the UFO stuff and the extra
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terrestrial civilization, you know, I go all the way back to when I was seven years old of realizing that
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the kind of the things that we're doing to ourselves here are so incompatible and inconsistent
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with the larger perspective that if we could just get people to shift over to this larger
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perspective to and really understand, you know, where we really are in the universe that hopefully we
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could atrophy some of this desire to engage in these completely false dialectics against each other.
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Yeah. And trying to find meaning out of vanquishing some ultimate other and get into a much more
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collegial collective consciousness of doing good for our people. And I'm hoping that we can do that.
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I think that this particular subject in addition to the original just complete, awesome
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effect that had on me to understand kind of a practical application of this to be able to make
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an argument to people. Look, this is a really practical program that we're engaged in here trying
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to elevate the consciousness of our human family so that we can stop threatening to destroy ourselves
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with thermonuclear weapons or who destroy our planet by, you know, contaminating it with, you know,
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chemicals pouring chemicals into the atmosphere and into the rivers, you know, that we ought to be
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able to solve these problems if we have a more expansive perspective. And that's why it's so
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important to really come to understand what the agenda is of the extraterrestrial beings.
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If there's any truth at all in these other...
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...nightmare stories.
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You know, if there's a bad guy, you know, species is just trying to come in and take over our planet.
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We need to know that.
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You know, or if there's some kind of confrontation between some good guys and bad guys in outer space.
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And they're struggling over what's going to happen to our planet.
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We need to know that, you know?
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How do you discern as well as a lower, you know, species in, you know, we're pretty much the
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bottom of the totem pole when it comes to, you know, why would it suspect? I don't know this,
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but I mean, when you witness these feats of incredible magic that we see, you know,
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with these creatures, you assume that they're so much more intelligent and have access to so much
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more of the quantum field than we do, that they're able to pretty much manipulate us in any
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So being benevolent or seeming benevolent shouldn't be that hard to convince us, you know, and I mean,
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it shouldn't be, it's not going to be that difficult if they wanted to deceive us.
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It shouldn't be that difficult for them.
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You know, and I always hold that position.
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You know, you talked about John Mack, he had much more of like a, a, a positive outlook for,
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And then David Jacobs, you know, had much more of like, no, they're deceiving.
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And, you know, the truth is, it could be both.
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It could be a spectrum.
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There could be many different types of NHI and all this.
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I often think like when I had this example, like if my, if my water bottle started speaking to me
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right now, if I grew a mouth and just started speaking to me, and once I get over the fact that
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I'm not having a psychotic break or hallucinating and that this was real, I would probably be inclined
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to believe everything it says.
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Simply on the fact that it's proven to me that on some level, my reality is alive.
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It's already blown out your, uh, biological.
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And it's created a new reality, a reality.
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It's a very dangerous situation.
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And so I must be cautious in listening to anything that it says because at this point, I'm very vulnerable
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and I'm very, you know, capable.
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And that's sort of what I see happening with a lot of these prophetic messages or a lot of these
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communications with NHI with a lot of abductees specifically is that they're given this message of,
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oh, the world's going to blow up if you don't do something.
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And I'm always struggling with that because I'm like, what the hell you want me to do?
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Well, the, the, the, the advantage that I've taken on is that, you know, if what it is that
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they're advocating we do, such as stop polluting our planet or stop threatening to blow the whole
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planet up to smithereens, I mean, it's hard to find a downside to that.
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I mean, I know that the people in the National Security say, oh, well, you look, they're trying to
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talk us out of using our nuclear weapons.
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They're because our nuclear weapons can be used against them.
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And so they're trying to get us to voluntarily disarm.
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So they've already gotten out ahead of that one.
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You know, but, but the fact of the matter is that the nuclear weapons,
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don't make any sense anyway.
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I mean, we all know that.
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I mean, in as long as we could get some kind of mutual stand-down on that, of course,
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that's what John Kennedy was attempting to do with, with Chris Jeff in 1963.
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You know, after the Cuban Missile Crisis, they were actually engaged in the process of
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trying to figure out how to disassemble the actual nuclear warheads and both nuclear
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arsenals and destroy them to get rid of this thing once and for all.
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Uh, you know, but we have to get back to that.
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And it does, if conceivably, you know, the nuclear weapons are the only mechanism that we would
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have that could really, we could defend ourselves against an invasion, this would be part of their
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And so that's a, that's a, a major risk in and of itself.
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But I mean, the risk of our own self-destruction with the Thurman-Dupot-Wapis.
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Is is probably a little more immediate.
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Probably, yeah, more immediate.
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Yeah, that one, that one, we got a pretty good grip on.
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No, we know that one's true.
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The other one we don't.
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And so that I've been devoted my whole professional life to trying to support the,
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the disassembly and destruction of all of the nuclear warheads on the planet.
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I know that that doesn't destroy the technology and the knowledge.
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You know, how to do it again if you want to.
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Uh, so it doesn't cure the problem, but it can, it can definitely eliminate the immediate threat
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of our, of our going to that.
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Yeah, there is, there is something, um, you know, to,
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there is something to the idea that like, in order to get to that next level, we have to cooperate.
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And that's just like, that's plain as day.
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Um, you know, we have this unfortunate track record of coming up with the greatest technology
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through the most violent atrocities.
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That's, that's our, that's our track record.
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How, how do we come up with the best technology?
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Well, we literally have to kill each other and be in a position of survival where we
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Digging, digging into our, our greatest intellectual resource.
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And, and I, you know, there's part of me that feels like, man, this would be much easier
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if we just work together.
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Like, I mean, you could probably achieve that even quicker.
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And, you know, when you look at the, the Fermi paradox or the, uh, or, you know, that's sort of
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breaching, breaching this level of, uh, intelligence in order to get to that next level.
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Like, first we got to get off the planet and then we got to get to that next level.
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We got to get before the planet dies.
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Like, we're in this small little pocket.
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I mean, I feel like any civilization who has ever
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broadened their reach outside of their own solar system had to have
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worked together to get there.
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I can't believe that there's war going on in these places.
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Meanwhile, they're also leaving the planet and exploring the universe.
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Like, I mean, that, that seems to be, to me anyways, fundamental in order to, you know,
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whether it's seeding life across the universe or whether it's just visiting other, you know,
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galaxies, I think you would have to come to, to that point in order to make it.
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And I think most planets probably ended destroying themselves before they get there.
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Yeah. It's, it's one of the, the first questions that you want to ask.
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When, when, when John Mack and I back in Moe must have been 1996, 97 or so,
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that we had the big confrontation with Harvard throughout 94 and into 95.
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It was almost 16, 18 months.
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But then when we started working at the peer group, the project for extraordinary
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experience research, we were working at trying to figure out this new paradigm thing.
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And we were trying to develop a citizen diplomacy core, I'd mention to you the other night,
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that, that, that, that people who seem to be repeated abductees, that we thought that,
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look, as long as you're getting set to have to have this experience again,
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why don't we train you to do a holotropic breathing so that you can relax and get centered
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when it starts to happen. And then you can remain calm enough to kind of ask them questions
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and, and seek communication with them, you know, and not just get zapped and frozen in the
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panoramic, you know, and so that that's what we were engaged in then. And, uh, that I think that
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an active citizen movement of people, unconnected to the national security state infrastructure,
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reaching out to establish direct communication with the beings. We now know that, that mental
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telepathy is real. We know that they use this and they know that we know that we can communicate
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with them. If we could reach past the national security state strictures, uh, and have direct
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citizen to citizen communication with these beings and try to establish a peaceful, positive,
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and productive relationship with them, I know this freaks out the national security state people
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because that, that whether they're conscious of it all the time or not, and, and I discovered
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they're more conscious of it than I had originally suspected that they think that their mission
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is to basically be able to apply military force in the threat of military force to maintain our
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continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials of the planet for the benefit of our
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major corporations, which is the actual wording of the document, the 1992 United States Defense
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Department Policy Planning Guidance Document that was promulgated immediately after we were
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involved in talking Gorbachev to step back out of the Cold War. Our, the Jesuit office was, we were
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actually in direct communication with Gorbachev. Uh, and uh, it was, I should probably tell you the story.
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It's because a lot of people don't know about it, you know, that, uh, and say how, how this went. Uh,
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I had it in, in our Jesuit headquarters office. We had succeeded first of all in, in, in, I,
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I was initiated the, the position that to be in possession of nuclear weapons was itself a mortal sin
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because the nuclear weapons were designed intrinsically to annihilate civilian populations.
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And it's a complete violation of the just war theory that you cannot make war on the civilian
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population in your adversary, okay? Uh, and so, and so therefore the mere possession of them
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was a mortal sin. We got the, the Jesuit headquarters to take that position, okay? Uh, and then we
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leaned in on the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops to take that position, not an easy task.
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And I had one of my classmates from Harvard Divinity School, uh, to work under me at the Jesuit
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headquarters, Dr. Jim Garrison, actually, James Garrison. Uh, and uh, he worked at meeting with the
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different Catholic Bishops to get them to come on board, kind of shamed them one at a time
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into having to agree that this was, that this, this was the, the position we should take. So we got
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them to take the position. Uh, then we got the National Board of Homeland Ministry of the National
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Methodist Church to take the same position, okay? So then what we were going to do is move from
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there to try to get, uh, all of the 54 major denominations through the Washington,
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the Interrogesta Council to take a position that we wanted our United States government to unilaterally
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cut back on a disassembled and destroyed 10% of our nuclear warheads, but that we were going to have
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to get Russia to respond. So we could begin, this was when the salt talks were going on,
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strategic arms limitations talks, and all they were doing under the salt talks, this is like 1979,
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1980, that all they were doing is agreeing between Russia and the United States to build fewer more
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than they were planning to make. So instead of making 100 new nuclear missiles, you know,
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they'd make only 50, you know, uh, and you say, well, that's not going in the right direction. So
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what we got to do is try to reverse that process. So we said, look, if we could, uh, if we could
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mobilize all 54 of our major release denominations in all of our citizens to demand a 10% cutback
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in our nuclear warheads, if we could get Soviet Union to respond, we could begin that process
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in over a 10 year period. If we could do that 10% each year, we could get rid of them in 10 years.
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Right. So that was the plan that we were involved in. Uh, and, uh, Dr, he wasn't, he didn't have his
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PhD yet, but Jim Garrison was getting set to go leave my staff and go back to England to do his
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PhD under J. T. Robinson, uh, there at the Cambridge University. And so he went back there, uh, and he,
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when he arrived there, he went to see the, uh, the, uh, uh, what they call the, the Chaplain, uh, at,
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uh, at the, at the Cambridge University and said, you know, my name is Jim Garrison. I just got
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through working with Dan Shea and at the Chazoo headquarters. You know, we've, we're, we're, we're
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we're trying to get a 10% cutback in the US missiles, uh, warheads, uh, and I need to try to figure out
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how we can get to work with so it can you figure out how to help me? Well, the guy was flabbergasted,
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right? And said, oh, uh, uh, I think that's above my pay grade here. He was on the chaplain and he
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said, well, but now, now you think about there's a guy here who's in residence now in Cambridge for
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this year who's actually writing a major book about nuclear weapons, uh, and it's a, uh,
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Fritzchoff Capra, uh, the guy that wrote, uh, the, uh, uh, the Dow of physics. Mm. Okay? And he's
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writing a book, uh, advocating the elimination nuclear weapons. So I could, I could introduce
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you to him. So he did. Okay. So Jim then goes to meet with Fritzchoff Capra and pitches the same
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thing to Fritzchoff is out, you know, we're trying to get the Soviet Union to cut back on it. If we
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get blah, blah, in Fritzchoff Capra says, well, I don't know, but I, I was given a grant, uh, to write
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this book by Mrs. Rose Cruz, this woman who's here in England, her husband is a Brigadier general
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and knows all the people on the national, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, brick royal Academy of Science and
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is this big heavyweight guy, uh, I'll introduce you to her and see if she can help. So he goes and
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meets Mrs. Rose Cruz, uh, her husband has passed away, but she introduces Jim to all the members of
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the Royal Academy of Science, uh, and he talks them, each of them into writing a letter to their
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counterpart in the Soviet Academy of Science, right? Uh, and, and so they all write a little personal
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letter of introduction to him and then Mrs. Rose Cruz agrees to give him two year grant to go to the
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Soviet Union, right? To figure out how to, how to do it. So he ends up writing his thesis
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into getting it published, then he gets, uh, he does research and he gets a little book published
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called the Myth of the Soviet Threat. So you know, the Soviets aren't getting ready to attack us
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across the poor ice caps, you know, uh, their ass is getting set to fall off, you know, they can't
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even maintain their economy. So he writes this book called the Myth of the Soviet Threat. So he's got
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the, his book now published. He's got the grant from Mrs. Rose Cruz and he's got all these letters of
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recommendation to the, the, the members of the Soviet Academy of Science. And so he goes over, he calls
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me from Red Square. Danny, I'm here, you know, I've got all this stuff ready, you know, I've got to go
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get a apartment for guys. So, so we're, we're having these set of conversations, right? And so,
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what he does is goes one by one, he starts going to these different members of the Soviet Academy of
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Science. Uh, and finally, the first one says, I don't know what you're talking about, I can't
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figure it out. Fine, he finds one guy and he says, look, I don't know what to do, but my, one of my
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good friends is the medical doctor for Brezhnev. Uh, in Brezhnev has this terrible heart condition.
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And so the doctor has to see him every day. What I can do is I can give him your materials and,
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and, and have him give these to, to Brezhnev, right? And so he does that. And so the medical doctor
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shows all the stuff to Brezhnev about what we want to do. And Brezhnev has Jim Garrison, my
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best friend at Harvard Divinity School was on my staff at Jesuit headquarters, who's now over there
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to meet with the, uh, the, uh, the doctor for, for Brezhnev. And they together co-produce a three-hour
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documentary film on what would happen if one United States multi-war headed nuclear missile
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were to land dead center in the geographic center of the Soviet Union, of how all the water
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would destroy and all the land that would be totally wiped out from any growing food. And so they
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do that, right? Then Brezhnev dies. Uh, and then, uh, and Doroppov comes in. And so Jimmy, uh, Jimmy
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is meeting with the Chevinazzi, right? Getting ready to try to set up a meeting to get to meet with
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Androppov, who's come in to try to pitch the same thing to him, right? Uh, in the Chevinazzi,
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he says, no, no, no, he says you do not need to be down Doroppov. He says he will not be here that
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long. He said, who you need to be is Gorbachev. Gorbachev, who is KGB, he is the, uh, KGB protege of
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Androppov. He says he will be president someday. He's that secretary of agriculture, right?
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In the party. And so Jim sets up a meeting to, uh, to meet with Gorbachev when he's still,
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and this is like 1980, 81, right? And so he goes to the Kremlin to meet Gorbachev. And, uh, they,
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you can, you can send, goes into the Kremlin. I'm, I'm sitting, I'm sitting at the Esselin Institute
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in one of the hot tub's passing the joint back and forth with Jimmy. He's telling me the story
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about how, about how this happened, right? So he says, so I go to the Kremlin, I go through this,
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these 10 12 foot tall doors, I go into this room with the Kremlin and we're sitting in there and
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income is Gorbachev. And we sit down and I start telling him about, you know, my name is Jim
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Garrison. And here's, I'm Danny Sheen, he's one of my best friends at Jesuit headquarters.
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We're going to try to get a unilateral cut back and 10% of the miss. But we've got to get you to
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respond to this and Gorbachev who will talk English and private, but he won't talk publicly. But
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he said, uh, US will never do this. He said, they will never take the lead on this. He said,
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because they believe that they need to have the nuclear weapons. He said, not for us, China.
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He said, he said, they know that China can put a billion men into the field as they proved in Korea.
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Yeah. He said, and so they know they can't take him on a traditional war, which they're
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going to have to eventually. He said, and so they can't, they can't, they don't want to get rid of
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the nuclear weapons. He said, so I'm going to have to do this. He said, so when I become
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president, I can take this initiative. He said, but they will come for me in the night.
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When I start doing this, he said, so you have to agree to become the president of the Gorbachev
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Foundation and take this up with me to try to disarm the world of nuclear weapons.
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And so that's how Jim Garrison became the president of the Gorbachev Foundation. My best friend
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from Divinity School with my staff guy at Jesuit headquarters. So they're the ones that,
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and of course they did. They came for, people who remember this Gorbachev got kidnapped.
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He disappeared for like a whole week. That's when Yeltsin came in, you know, right again,
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the front of the tanks and they came into Red Square and pushed back against that and made
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them release him. And then Yeltsin ran for president and won. And then Gorbachev and Jim Garrison
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and us decided we were going to start putting together a thing called the state of the world
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at the end of the Cold War because the Gorbachev before he was leaving, he was going to sign this
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release of all of the Soviet Socialist Republics, which he did on December 31, 1991 and released
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all of them. Right? Our response, this was a president, George Bush senior, George H.W. Bush in
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1991, he's been elected in 1988. Remember, his life's president from 1980 to then 1984,
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then from 84 to 88. He runs for the presidency in 1988 and wins. Okay, so he's there as president.
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And in 1991, December 31, what happens is the following Monday,
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the his George Bush senior's secretary of defense, Dick Cheney, you know, convenience of meeting
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at the in the West Wing of the White House with Paul Wilfowitz, Doug Fife, Scooter Libby,
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Bishop Pearl, a bunch of the guys that are in the defense department with Cheney and they say,
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oh, look, this is terrible. We're going to have everybody rise up and say we're going to have to
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cut our military budget like in half because we've been justifying for the last 75 years.
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The fact that we'd have to spend 700 to $100 billion a year on our military defense because
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Russia is trying to take over the whole world. And there's going to be a big push for us to have
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to cut back all of our system. So what we need to do is lean in and increase the military budget
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because we want to be able to establish full spectrum military dominance over the whole planet.
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So that nobody can challenge us at all. This is a unique opportunity in the last 100 years so
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that we can move in on this. And so they put together this 1992 United States Defense Department
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of Policy Planning Guidance document proposing this top secret stuff, right? They end up,
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as it starts right the first Monday after December 31, 1991. So this is the new 1992 United States
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Defense Department of Policy Planning Guidance document, right? And so they ended up as of April,
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they come out with this document and they make it available to some restricted number of people
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in the Pentagon and a few members of the cabinet. Somebody leaks a copy of it to the Washington Post.
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Washington Post on like April 10 of 1992, they come out with this scathing editorial
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against this saying, this is an absolutely wrong response to the step back that Gorbachev has done.
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He said, you know, that this is like a return to gunboat diplomacy, okay? Which is not ironic
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because that's exactly what it was because this was the Soviet Union stepping back after the October
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1917 revolution where they rose up as a challenge to the people who had at the
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following at the end of World War I had begun funding the rise of Hitler in Germany,
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which was Bromber of the Sharonman, which was George Herbert Walker and the guy's Bromber of
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the Sharonman who set up the Union Bank of New York and set up a subsidiary in the Netherlands
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called the Bank of Shipping and Commerce run by a guy, but it's thysand funded the reconstruction
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of the entire international headquarters, the Third Reich. We know about this at Jesuit headquarters.
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So this is in deep background of all the stuff that we know about. And so this complex question
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of how we deal with the national security state has been set up by the United States and the
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response now that's now in Russia and in China that have got their same national security
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state infrastructures, you know, all of whom know about the UFO stuff. Yeah, of course. I mean,
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and not only that, I mean, their presidents know about it way more than ours do. Yeah.
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And so the thing is that we, if the American citizens can organize and rise up and the people of
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Canada can organize and rise up and we can get the people in England and five eyes. Yeah, if we can,
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if we can get the people to rise up and say, look, we're going to reach out and establish direct
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communication because we now know the secret about telepathic communication with these beings.
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Yeah. If we can reach out and convince these beings that we want to have a peaceful and productive
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relationship with them, but we want to make sure that they don't have any kind of a nefarious
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motive to be trying to, you know, exploit us or take advantage of us. You know, we want to be able
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to do this. And that's what the New Paradigm Institute is really all about. You know, and we're not,
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we're no bikers. I mean, you know, we've been involved in these things for 50 years, you know.
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Yeah, that's, that's the one thing that I'm coming to realize as well as the more I find out of
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the New Paradigm Institute is, you know, that this isn't just some other you fallagy group that's
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interested in like the Pleiadian star system at all. This is, this is real. You, you, you are probably
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the people that are the most involved with Congress, even currently in the current administration as well.
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That's right. I mean, they just, they've seen it and established by partisan, yeah, outreach to both
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political leaderships. And with the new task force that has been, that has been put together with,
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you know, Congresswoman Luna. That's right. You're currently in conversations with them. That's
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right. And I think that I think, you know, that's just a wonderful thing for, for both, you know,
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people familiar with the UFO topic and people who aren't for them to be familiar with this.
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I think it's a great, great place because the, you know, you fall, the UFO community is a bit of an
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echo chamber. And we often forget that public perception of this is still, you know, in the early
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phases. That's right. The people aren't knowledgeable to this. They're, they're still a stigma, you
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know, even though the stigma within the community is, you know, slowly dissipating. But the public's
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perception of it. And, you know, so when, when people like yourself get involved, who's been around,
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you know, so many credible, and as I mentioned, some of the biggest cases in US history,
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for someone of your stature to step in and collaborate with Congress, I mean, it shows, it's a
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show of force of, of, of will and of, you know, this, this, this, this strive for humanity to want to
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essentially make contact. That's right. And, and develop a dialogue. And, and if we, if we can get
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the citizens, and we can, we know how to do it. We know how to mobilize us. We, we, we have to educate
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people. We need Pat Price. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we, we have Pat Prices around. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. We,
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we've, we've, we've got remote viewers and stuff that are working with us. In that, you know,
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we were trying to maintain completely positive relations with both Republican Democratic Party.
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People inside the administration, people leave it in the last administration, no matter what they
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think of each other. Mm-hmm. You know, because this is part of what we have to get over. Yeah.
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We have to learn how to get past these kind of internally generated conflicts among ourselves. Yeah.
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In order to be trusted to have a meaningful, you know, alliance or a relationship with the
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extra trusted. So the new paradigm institute is, is setting up a citizens for disclosure.
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Inside of each of the 435 congressional districts. And a state-level office and all 50 of the,
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of the states in the United States. We want to have them in Canada here. We, we want to have one
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here in Montreal. And that's why, that's why I've come to talk with you. Actually, this is a real
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life event here. Is that, you know, I want you to help facilitate getting the people here together
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to talk about this. And on your show, you have this opportunity to reach out to everybody to bring
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these people on to talk about this and help educate the people and help get everybody that is
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listening to you to become citizens for disclosure. They can be Canadians for disclosure, right? And
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they can have these chapters. And what we will do at the new paradigm institute, we've put in this
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huge computer system that we have now of every action where we can reach down and communicate
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individually with every one of the 435 congressional districts in each of the 50 states so that we
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can contact them and provide specific targeted information for them to give to their elected
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representative and what committees they're on and get the citizens start becoming citizens. Instead
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of sitting back and just watching, watching hockey games and football games and, you know,
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and, you know, being on computer games, you know, get involved in the big game. This is the big game
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this one, okay? And so that we want you to help become, you know, one of the leaders of a
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Citizens for Disclosure here in Canada, in your provinces, to have a province office of each one
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and you have citizens for disclosure or Canadians for disclosure and reach out to your parliament
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and get them to pass a statute here, just like this. Like we have succeeded in getting the United
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States Senate to pass this 64-page bill. This is the Control Disclosure Act. This is the shocking
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bill that we got passed the United States Senate. Republicans and Democrats alike came out of the
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Senate Intelligence Committee 17-0 to vote on this. Wow, okay? And we got the, of the 100 senators,
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we got 94 of the senators to vote for this, okay? Went over to the House side if we can get this
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put onto the floor of the House of Representatives that of the 435 people, we'll get 400 of them to
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vote for this. And what this is putting is putting together a process by means of which
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every single document that is that the United States government and every piece of evidence,
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physical evidence they've got pertaining to the UFO issue since January 1st, 1945 has to be
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publicly revealed to the National Archives, okay? And then that National Archives is going to be a
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team, a 9-person panel that's going to be assigned by the President to review all of those
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documents and to make every single one of the documents is more than 25 years old, publicly
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available. Wow, okay? And people don't, are shocked to discover, I mean, they're almost
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dishocked that we got this bill passed is the fact that they're UFOs. Yeah, you know, but we've
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gotten this passed. It got stalled over on the House side. We got 23 pages of these 64 pages
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passed, which mandate that they gather together all the information and prepare to give it over to
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the National Archives. They're under orders to do this. They have to have all that documentation
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put together by September of this year, okay? And haven't made available. But what we need to do
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is we need to get this 9-person panel assigned to have full staff and funding, which is all
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proposing here $22 million to be given to the panel. And this we're going to get this passed
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again this year. Mike Browns is in favor of this. This was actually sponsored not only by
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Schumer, who was the majority leader of the Senate at the time, but Mike Browns and also by
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by Rubio, Marco Rubio, who's now the Secretary of State. Yeah, okay. So we've got major support at the
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top ranks of both political parties in the Senate to get this passed again. And we rounds is now
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assured us that he's going to induce and get this passed again. And we've also removed Turner,
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Michael Turner, who was the head of the Intelligence Committee and the House of Representatives,
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who happens to come from the 10th District of Ohio, where the Wright Patterson Air Force bases,
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who was sticking his thumb in our eye to keep us from getting it to the floor. He's the one that
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talked Mike Johnson, the airstuile speaker of the house, you know, to not put this on the floor.
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Yeah. Because it would pass. Yeah. So we've now gotten rid of Turner, Crenshaw's there now,
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who I think is going to be supportive of this bill. People need to know what's happening
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historically. This is going to blow everything out of the water once this gets that's right. Like,
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well, I mean, if as soon as as soon as the the mechanism starts, you know, working, working. Yeah,
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that's right. I mean, it's going to be a floodgate. Yeah, once it starts, you know, this,
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this is this is why the aerospace corporations are fighting this so intensely, because they want to
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get patents on this. They want to get secret patents on all of this technology. So that we will
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have to pay billions and trillions of dollars to them over the next 100 years to get access to what
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they think is their technology. And this is not their technology. This is technology that's been
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recovered from the crafts. Okay. And this needs to be made available to the people as a whole. You know,
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that in the the whatever new inventions, sources of energy, techno, this has to be made available
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for people around the world, because we need to we need to not have this pass through the lens of
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personal greed and profit, you know, and so that that's so this is this is what's happening right now.
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And that so that if we can get if we can get people to be willing to become citizens for disclosure,
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all they have to do is go to new paradigm institute.org and just sign up to be a member of the
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citizens for disclosure in your geographic area. We will then get all the information to you for free
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about what are the what are the juridical institutions in your area? What province do you
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belong to? What what district are you in? Who are your elected representatives that you need to go
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and talk to? What are the kind of what are the newspapers that you can write a letter to the editor?
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You know, what are the local television channels that you can go on to? You know, what are the podcasts
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that you want to come on to? And what can you say? Yeah, and you need to know the information.
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It's like homework, but the reality is this is something 99% of the people when you talk to them,
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once they grok the fact that this is true and they've gotten past that block, you know,
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that has been imposed on them, but I made your SIAP separation. Absolutely. And you know,
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in Richard Dolan who wrote the UFOs in the National Security State, he's got the documents right
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there that he's extracted under the free information act to show that this was a conscious SIAP's
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operation. Yeah, it was going on against the American people. Yeah, against the American people
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to convince them that this isn't true and anybody who believes this is mentally ill. And they've
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destroyed the lives of hundreds of people, you know, in ruin their careers and forced people
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into committing suicide. They're in such despair over being blocked. They're in their full
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professional career in the military, for example, and they despair so much of the failure of our
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constitution to get this information to our people that they give up on life, you know, and so
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that we are now at a stage right now where we're going to be in the next this four-year term of
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of President Trump. We're going to get these statues passed. We're going to get these statues
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passed right this year. Okay, that our new paradigm institute is one of the groups that is going to be
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nominating people to this nine-person panel. So we actually get to nominate people. So if people
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want to participate in that process, I mean, we're, they're going to freak out over in the center
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saying, oh, a new paradigm institute is going to take a poll to see who they want an nominee. We
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thought we could have some inside work, but I want to have the people involved in this whole
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process, you know, and hopefully I'll be able to help show that and the representatives don't
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have to be afraid of the people. Yeah, you know, they don't have to be afraid of the people that
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we're going to do kooky things. Okay, but at the same time, we have to show that we're not we're
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not stupid. We're going to surround waiting for the same people who've been lying to us for 75
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years to all of a sudden reform. So we're going to be reaching out directly to the ET people
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through CE5s, you know, to sit and have conversations with them to try to solicit them coming to
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to talk with us. It's silly as that sounds. Doesn't sound silly at all. Yeah, no, but I think we're
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doing. Yeah, I think it's very noble and I think it takes a lot of guts on the contrary. I think
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I think it takes way more courage to, you know, speak of this publicly in this, in today's day and age.
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I mean, it's it's so easy to come up with false information to discredit things. It's very,
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very easy in the age of AI and everything else. You know, that's why again, I think it's really
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important that you that you were here that you're talking about this because someone like you who's
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in it for the public's interest and that has been cleared by your record, by, you know, your
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incredible career. It's been proven time and time again that you are fighting for transparency.
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And that's something that I think everyone can get behind. You know, people are drawn to authenticity.
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They're drawn to vulnerability, even if they don't know it. You know, it's the reason they watch
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live streamers and it's the reason they watch a quote unquote reality TV and people want to see
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people being vulnerable. They want to see them being open, but it takes someone who's brave enough
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to be vulnerable first, right? You know, and then it takes someone even more brave to be vulnerable
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second. It's, you know, that, you know, like seeing someone on the dance floor. You know, you see,
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the first person dancing is brave, but who's more brave is the second person who joins him.
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Because the first person could just be insane, showing off, but the second person,
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it takes a lot of courage there to step in. And so, you know, it's, but once you get the ball rolling,
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all of a sudden everyone's dancing. Yeah, that's, I think that's the goal is to show strength
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within numbers through these podcasts, these conversations and these demonstrations that you're doing.
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I think is really important. He is getting people to start to trust each other
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have for various silly reasons. Well, I don't want to be demeaning, but you know, that for reasons
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that I think can be overcome, that they don't talk to each other, that they do themselves as adversaries.
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They start to demonize the other side. They try to figure out any one thing they've said that
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wasn't potentially correct in attacking them for what we've got to do is demonstrate that we can
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overcome those kind of false dialectics among ourselves. And then we merit attention from the
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ET people to say, oh, good, yeah, the people are getting it now. They're starting to come together
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to really come up with some intelligent protocols to to govern their relationships with us and
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keep us to try to stop our UFOs from getting shot down. Yeah, you know, these necessary security
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state people are hijacked or pulled in or pulled in. So that's the so that just have people go to
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if you want new paradigm institute.org sign up to become members of Citizens for Disclosure.
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We'll get all the information to you for free. Send you answer your questions. You know, we're
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and we're getting contributions to 5 1 c3 tax sent contributions. So we can provide this
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stuff to you for free. You know, charging anybody for it. And this is we're going to show that I
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think we can get this done great. Not for your period. Yeah, I'm willing to help in any capacity.
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I think it's I think it's great. Thank you for thank you for offering and you know, coming
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here and presenting this because I think yeah, if I have a chance to make even a small difference,
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you know, that and you know, perhaps one that's greater than just even having a YouTube channel
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which which for me is just for fun almost, but it you know, it moves the needle like it or not. Yeah.
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But this in a more official capacity, I think it would bring me great pleasure to take
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partner. So yeah, definitely count me in. We cool. Yeah, I want to get to that. So now you got
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questions. Yeah, that's your first question. There's question number one. I'm glad we got that out
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of the way. I've got quite quite a few here, but I probably won't get to all of them. So to you,
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you got as much time as you want. All right. Well, heck with it. Let's go through the whole thing.
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Yeah, we did we did actually answer quite a few. And we also have some questions from the interns,
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which we'll get to on this little ditty behind me. Sure. I got something Jesse,
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term me on something Jesse and Michael's he said ask him about the Alstein Alien interview.
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No, that's that's the that's that's the boss Oscar wolf. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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Because I was like, I was like another one. No, no, no, no, that's that's Oscar. Well, great.
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If you had full authority to subpoena anyone or any person or any entity,
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who would it be, which entity or which person would you go after?
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You see who the who the first one would be. So we would go after.
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What we do is first that is when you do the litigation, you go for the documents first.
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Then you go for the people. Okay. So that what we would do is we would go to subpoena the black
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budget documents, all the black budget documents for the past and the all the current black budget
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documents. These these are the unacknowledged special access program. Waved,
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unacknowledged special access programs. Okay. And now there's a there's a person that's coming
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on board now in the new administration, who is going to have access through the Office of
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Management and Budget to the black, black budget. So those are the documents they want to have
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subpoena power to get the to get all those records. You follow the money and track this down.
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Where that money is going to what private contractors have got it, know what what they were
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covering. And then then you start to get into those private aerospace corporations and issue
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subpoenas to them to come in and provide the information that they're going to have that,
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you know, Lockheed Martin in the Grumman, MITRE, Battelle, yeah, yeah, you start going after
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those corporations and extracting those documents from they're going to fight and scream and holler
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those trade secrets and all that stuff about where we're going for. And if you get to the black
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budget, you can see the front end contracts, you know, and what they were assigned to work on.
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So that's it. So we go for the documents first names come after. Yeah, names come
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organically. You thought you followed you followed the track. You know, it's, you know, it's kind of
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what happened. Didn't they like the Wilson during the Wilson Davis memo. I mean, that's something
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that you heard about too, whereas Admiral Wilson went in there and he was knocking on doors and he
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was like, is this stuff true or whatever? And that he was told by a private corporation guy that like,
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yeah, in fact, they were audited or something. And one of the people looking into these black
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budgets saw something he shouldn't have and they had to read them, they had to read them into the
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project. And that's why they sort of up their security and the amount of people that were read in
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after that. So that was almost certainly Ben Rice that he talked to over at Lockheed Martin.
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Because Ben Rice had talked to a number of people, you know, from his class.
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Did he graduate with about what they really had? Wow. And some of that leaked out.
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You know, and so that's that's how we would go. When you're really doing the practice of going
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after these things, you know enough, you go for the documents first, you go for the people that
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are in charge of the documents, you then pull start pulling the names out of the documents,
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and then you figure out who they're laying down and with over inside the government. And then you go
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for them, and then you go up the chain because you follow the money, you automatically have paper trail.
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That's right. Right. That is right. So you have a fingerprint. So that's that's the way that
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not only we would do it, as we were going to do it. Yeah. Once we get the subpoena power,
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you know, and this task force doesn't have subpoena power now that that James Comer has said that he
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will be willing to issue subpoenas to them. They've only got six months at first and then they have
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to get it renewed. But we're going to go after if we can get the panel assigned, the nine person
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panel, they'll work in direct linkage with this task force over in the house. And then the key
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will be is to get funding. If they get the $22 million to bring on staff, the key is they're going
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to have a really strong and aggressive general counsel to run that investigation. You know,
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someone with proven track record that they're not going to stop, you know, it makes a lot easier
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once this gets passed as well. Right. Yeah. No, no, because in what we want to do is we don't we don't
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want to have it depend completely upon decisions that are made inside the executive branch,
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you know, by either either Trump himself or any of his cabinet members. We want to have the
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Congress involved in it, you know, so that people can have access to it. That's right. And one of
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the subpoena power in this particular bill, it's kind of an esoteric point, but the subpoena power
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that the nine person panel would have would have to go through the justice department. That even though
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it's a it's a and it's appointed by the president, but what they would do is they go to the attorney
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general to get the attorney general to file an application with the judicial branch to get the
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judicial branch to issue a subpoena so that if in fact they didn't anybody didn't comply with
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the subpoena, they could be held in contempt of court, right? And arrested, arrested,
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yeah. And put it in jail for contempt until they give them the documents. Right. So that we would
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have the executive branch, the legislative branch and the judicial branch all working together
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to get this done. That's that's part of the genius of this particular bill. And we've gotten
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the assurances from rounds that that we I haven't talked to what's this have himself Dakota,
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Thun, you know, who's the new the new majority leader in the Senate, but I'm I'm sure he's a
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company man, you know, for the Republican party. And so he'll he'll go along with us too. And I'm
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sure that Rubio is going to be supportive of it over in state department. Tully, Tulsie Gabard
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is going to be supportive of it. Yeah. Over in the national, the director of national intelligence
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and Ratcliffe is going to be supportive of it, the head of the CIA. So we've gotten these people
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on board already over the period of time we've been working and get everybody going in the same
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direction and get Congress involved in it, the task force involved in it, the panel established,
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then then it's going to start coming loose. Do you think there's ever been a time in history
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that we've been this close to such a big moment of disclosure? No. This is this is this is the moment.
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There wasn't totally new, you know, because because we did go through, you know, I think,
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obviously not not to this extent, but there have been steps in the past too. Yeah, but they're
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all insider. I mean, they're all inside. They're all there. For example, how put off talks about
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the instance back under Bush W that they were they were all convened that that Jay Stratton,
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called them all together. There were about a dozen of the guys that were all on the inside on
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this thing. And they had this week and long set of meetings, broken to small groups and
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all voted to say they tried to measure what the positives were of releasing the information and
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the negatives. And much to their surprise, every single one of the little small groups came out
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to the negative that we weren't ready to release it. And of course, the reason that we aren't ready
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is because they're still pretending it isn't true. Right. And so nobody's working on what do we do
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in light of the fact it's true because they're still being told it isn't true. They're not going
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to waste their time answering questions in the abstract. So frustrating that that argument is still
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yeah, still there even being used and being bought. Yep. By most everyone. It is. So our job is to
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educate the people. And then the leaders are going to say, oh rats, you know, the people now
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know we've been outed. We're going to have to do something. Are you are you working or have you
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worked with anyone with direct contact with NHI that's had some ongoing contact with NHI?
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Have you had any success in that because you mentioned C5? They say they are. They say they are.
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I still need to vet them. And we're going to put them on psychological stress
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evaluator. Right. We're going to run them on PSC. That's forthcoming. Yes.
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Because I'm not just going to take somebody's position saying, oh, you know, I'm picking up
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messages from Mars on my moon. Civilians? Some of them. So some of them some of them not
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civilians. Some of them are civilians now. Right. But they work. They had some type of clearance.
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And so we have to also provide legal representation for them. Do you think they get attacked?
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Or are you able to say if these people, if their jobs had something to do with with that?
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They did. So their supposed contact with NHI was part of their job. They've been recruited
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to participate in setting up protocols for the honey trap operations.
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Right. Like interlober. Yeah. Even though Lou talked about it in his book and sort of well,
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that one didn't work, well, the fact is they have worked. I suspect it is not. Yeah. They have
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worked. And they've done them and they've actually captured craft pursuant to that program.
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Kind of like what Jake Barbara was a part of. Well, Jake is, I mean, Jake, but people
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don't quite get this with Jake. I think, you know, if he's on the range, you know, the, the
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North Grumman range. Yeah. And he's picking up craft from the range. Those are not, you know,
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willy-nilly crashes. Those are not crashes of some UFO that's been kind of lured in. These are
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in their possession already. I see. Okay. So that this whole question of them luring them in
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and capturing them, which they purport to have done. It was seemed to me that it wouldn't take
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long for the ET people to get it. Get on that. Yeah. Oh, it's those people again. You know, stay
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well. I want you to come in. Yeah. They aren't fish. Yeah. So, so, so, right. You know, once, once
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they've shaken the hook, you know, they won't bite again. You know, so that that what we have to do
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is find people that are trained at this and know what they're doing and set up a set of coordinated
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protocols for people to follow. You know, that, but we don't we don't want to overdo it. We don't
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want to pretend like we're some centralized authorizing group. Oh, you have an authorizing
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effect where we're not into that. But what we want to do is get people that are responsible that
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are going to get infiltrated that aren't going to, you know, you know, be suckered into, you know,
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genuinely luring in one of the things that having somebody jump on you, you know, unbeknownst
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to knock the thing down. You know, we have to be careful about this. Is there any, is there
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anything in this protocol that that is new that you guys are trying out or is that something you
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you want to hold on to? No, there's some very basic things that have been a meditative sort of
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yet. That's how it's experienced. Yeah. The the access that most human beings have to this
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particular phenomenon is through what they call meditation. But you have even transcendental
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meditation that is not sectarian. It's not Buddhist or Hindu or any of the other ones. It's a
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particular exercise, you know, and it's a scientific thing. It's like doing push-ups and growing
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muscles. You know, or lifting weights and bulking up. You know, this is you're bulking up your
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capacity to actually have this kind of telepathic reach to communicate with beings. And there are
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people that are very, very accomplished at this, you know, and so that we're in communication with
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them. They've reached out to us that we have over 1500 volunteers now that have actually written
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to us, contacted us at the New Paradigm Institute, offering services of various kinds. There are
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lawyers and professors at universities. Some of them are remote viewers. Some of them are experienced,
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past military people. Abductees? Yes. Yes. Yeah. We have a whole group of abducted. We have a whole
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group of experienced, yeah, category of the people, which we're going to be organizing. We're
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organizing the experiences as an entire specialized group of talent. Are you in the process? Is this
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like, are we still in the vetting process here? Yes. With all of these people? Have there been any
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that have been vetted successfully? That you're 100% certain of their ability or their story?
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I'm not yet because I haven't put them on the PSC. I haven't put on the psychological stress
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most of them view that as an insult. I'd say, well, it's too bad for you. Yeah. Because I've
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seen the PSC work. And so I know that it does. And so that we've got extremely expert PSC operators
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that can track, track the questions. You know, that's not just, they have an original set of like
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20 questions or 25 questions. And then once they can track put the responses there,
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it's all vocal chord tensions. Nobody's been able to train anybody to beat it. So that's what
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we're going to be using. That's a great amount of rigor, which is great to hear again.
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There's people out there what we want. We want to know BS anymore. I'm sure a lot of those people
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who reached out to you, even if they're not aware of it, it could be BS. Sometimes we're easily
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tricked as well into thinking that there might be something more when it's a natural phenomenon or
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sleep paralysis or whatever it is. We'll see. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. Because the key is to have
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civilian operated tests like this and betting people. And the problem with the national security
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state mentality is that the minute that they start discovering talent like this, they bring them in
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and put them under national security restrictions and prohibitions and threaten them and everything else.
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You know, is it now you're one of us? You're on the inside. You can't talk to anybody about it. You
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have to lie to your neighbors. You know, we're not into that. Yeah. We're not into that. The new
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paradigm is to do a completely different approach to this thing. Yeah. It seems like a breath of fresh
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air, especially considering like reaching NHI. In my mind, there's two ways of going about it.
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There's simulating war. Yeah. Right. Right. Or there's like meditation and it's like an
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equal and opposite. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Lure. Exactly. Because I'm sure they both work. Yeah.
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And I'm sure, you know, the military is, you know, much more obviously prepared and gungho
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about creating a war scenario. And I'm sure a lot of soldiers out there probably, you know,
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would have a much better time in that scenario because they're just of their train for and kind of
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what they, you know, hope to get into a lot of them. They take separate after their career.
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Exactly. Yeah. But a lot of times that's, you know, like these scenarios and stuff is exciting.
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And you know, this and that, there's money and there's things that get to blow up and like,
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it's all cool. But, but also like, what are we doing here? Yeah. Yeah. What are we signaling?
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Yeah. Look at this, that we're in the next four year period, we're getting set to lay the
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groundwork for establishing the protocols that are going to govern our relationship with this
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extraterrestrial civilization for the next 10,000 years. I mean, people in the future are going to
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look back on this conversation today and others that are taking place now during this period of
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time as to how did this happen? How did we succeed in establishing a positive and constructive
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mutually beneficial relationship with the civilization or not? Hmm. Worth a shot, you know.
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And so that's what that we're in the people people aren't used to being part of history.
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You know, that I've just been very, very fortunate. People aren't used to being part of history as a
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wild thing to contemplate. They're just not. And that they freak out over being even near a celebrity.
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And the problem is they've been trained to keep their place like that.
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Yeah. But the fact is the people that are now alive are given the opportunity to participate in
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this absolute watershed event of history. And they can be part of the history that is getting
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set to be written. And I know they're not used to it, but they will get used to it.
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Is there, do you, because like, I mean, when I post these videos and people start commenting and
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some people seem to vocalize a bit of hesitancy or at least the advice to practice a bit of
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restraint when trying to communicate with NHI because they say, you don't know what it is you're
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communicating with. Are you saying everybody should just try and their own right to do this? Or
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no, I'd be careful. There are a lot of the, a lot of this, let's back a
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couple of it, the reality that is being revealed to us in this process is that there is a field
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of possibilities that were bathed in the choices that you make in the next microsecond
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into what they call collapsing the wave function of the all the different opportunities and
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directing your intention into the field to collapse the wave field of probabilities and
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possibilities into a particular certainty is how reality happens. And so that if you bring
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to this experience a fear, a concern that these are diabolical entities out there or demons or
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satanic beings, something like that, if you do that, you're bringing that aspect of potential
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reality into play. And so that people need to be extraordinarily careful not to go treading into
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that, I remember Father Bill Davis, who the Jesuit, the Jesuit says, saying, yes, I've gone through
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all the Jesuit training and I've now been ordained and I still believe, sort of. And what it is is
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that you've really, by the time you get done with the 12, 15 year period of being trained as a Jesuit,
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you've come to disassemble the kind of simple, minded childlike mythologies that you've been
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exposed to that have led you to want to be a priest. Something for right? And you've had
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counterproductive loss. You've had that stuff disassembled for you. And that if you have an adequate
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faith in there, there's there is sense, this makes sense that there's kindness in the universe and
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that you maintain that faith. And you start to discern the the pieces that come together to form a
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different pattern of reality. And you come to see, oh, low and behold, it turns out that there
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was an essential truth hidden in that whole kind of childlike mythology. And you really understand
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that most of those premises that were set for it were done when 99% of the people were completely
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illiterate. We were talking about this as a thing. You know, they didn't even go more than 50 miles
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away from the place that they were born. You know, back, we're talking 2,000 years ago. You know,
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we're talking about the treaties of the various treaties with them when they came because the
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councils of Nicaea and others, you know, these these doctrines were solidified back at a time when
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those who had the rare opportunity to be adequately educated to be able to formulate those kind
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of doctrines, you know, we're dealing with people that were we're completely illiterate.
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And they had to be they had to have things communicated to them in very simplistic reductionist
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forms in order for them to crack them at all. And we've in what happens is institutions, you know,
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ossify and they stay locked on those things. Are they old mistaking the road map for the road?
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Right. You know, and so the part of the role of the Jesuit order is at least a sense,
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Pedro Ruppé came on as the as the superior general back in 1962 is to to undertake a genuine
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reformation of the church, you know, into into get down to getting ready for the 21st century
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of what's been discovered because he came in after the discovery of quantum physics.
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And in the in the whole question of the reality of how human consciousness
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participates in the process of collapsing the wave function into into reality. And so this this is
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you know, not something to be toyed with. But the fact the matter is we that's part of what we're
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doing is a new paradigm is going to with a loving and loving attention and faith in the goodness of
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the universe. Right. In the goodness of other sentient beings. And in the goodness, the basic
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goodness of every human being, almost no matter what the condition is, they find themselves in
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that there's a there's a conscious person being in there that is innocent in wanting to believe
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and in the goodness of the world. And that's how the goodness of the world rises into being, you know.
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And so that we have to participate. That's that's the kind of faith that people have to have.
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Not the face of white anthropomorphic beings sitting on a throne somewhere out of some medieval
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you know, image that they have, you know, but it and not to be naive about the kind of
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possibility. The people who have collapsed the wave function in different ways. I mean, I sit
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talk I sat talking to a judge one time state judge in Florida who was proud of the fact that he
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had defended a motorcycle gang that had kidnapped this young woman who was hitchhiking on the road
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and crucified her. And that he got them off. You know, and I'm sitting here and say,
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what am I talking to this person for? No, how could anybody be proud of having done something like
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that? He was just proud of, you know, his abilities. Feet. Yeah. Yeah. In a couple of some sort.
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You know, and so there are there are people who who who have abilities to to through force of
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personality and character. You know, can can make things happen that are bad. You know, and when
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you encounter those kind of people, you have to really transcend the temptation to get caught in
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their field of hating them. You know, and I've not always been successful. I remember I sat across
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the table from the the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina that had gunned down
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you know, six, you know, labor organizers who were trying to organize a labor union in a textile
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mill down in Greensboro, North Carolina. You know, and he came to the table, the deposition table,
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and he had a pin with six human skulls on it on his lapel for the people that they had shot in the
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head and killed who were demonstrating on behalf of organizing a union in the textile mills. You know,
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and then I said, I said, you know, you know, are those what I think they are there? And then he said,
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oh, yes, they are. You know, and he's already given off all those kind of vibes that, you know,
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that when I played linebacker in college, I would have knocked you down. Seriously, you know,
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I don't love to see that. But I've transcended that. Yeah. You know, I have this bad this bad
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experience, but when I was chief trial counselor for ACLU in the Rocky Mountain region, we actually
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got on the stand, the president of the State Board of Education of the state of Idaho that had
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terminated a one of professors that had tenure because he stood up and opposed. He opposed the
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funny story. I just tell you, Rufus Lyman, his name was. He was head of the Life Sciences Department,
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this guy at the Idaho State University, and the president of the Idaho State University had died
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like a month and a half into the next school term. And so the Board of Education appointed
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this guy Davis, who was the coach of the football team that hadn't had a winning season in 12 years.
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You know, and he became the acting president and he started transferring money out of the,
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the academic side of the school into building a mini-dome football stadium.
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And Rufus Lyman, who was head of the Life Sciences Department, kind of took him on in the faculty
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meetings and started saying that, you know, like Davis has played too much football without a helmet,
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you know, and saying things like that. And so that he demanded that the State Board of Education
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convene and have an emergency meeting of them and they fired. Well, what they did first is they
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set up a star chamber. They set up a, they came out of the meeting closed door meeting and they
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they missed the news cycle. So they were like seven o'clock at night and they missed the evening news.
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And so they just issue a press statement saying that they've organized a committee that's going to
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be all appointed by President Davis and a faculty members. And if anybody has a complaint against
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Professor Rufus Lyman, you know, students, parents, faculty members, alumni, anybody who has any
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complaints against him, just bring these complaints to this particular committee. And so they issued
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that statement. So the media people all called Professor Lyman and said, what do you think of this?
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And he said, well, that's a star chamber. You know, that's there's a very famous thing that was
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condemned in all of the common law history of law. So the headline the next morning was professor
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turns panel star chamber. You know, and so that all the members on the board of education got on
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the telephone and had a telephone conference and fired him. Right. And so ACLU were brought in,
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were brought in to to represent him, you know, getting him reinstated. And so I'm taking the
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deposition of the getting ready to take the deposition of the of the the president of the
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State Board of Education. And so the first thing I did is I I subpoenaed the the recordings of the
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meeting, right? Go to the documents first. And so I subpoenaed his executive secretary and issued
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the subpoena to do see stay come ordering her to bring in the so I and I hold the meeting in the
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public library in downtown Pokertella where everybody can come to the deposition, right? So we
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got like 50 people all come and she she comes in and I said to myself, okay, have you
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your under oath now if you brought the tachy and she said, no, no, I haven't. I said, well,
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why haven't you? She said because I destroyed them. And I said, really, why did you destroy them?
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I said, well, the the president ordered me to do that. So so and so Dremson, they're like, oh, no,
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shit, now we don't have the time. And so I looked at her and I said, I said, look at how long,
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how long have you been the secretary for the president of the state board of education? She said
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23 years. And I said, I'll bet you were his secretary before they even recorded these things,
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weren't you? She said, yes, yes, I was. And I said, you used to take those notes didn't you in the
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meetings back before they recorded them? She said, yes, I did. I said, I'll bet you still do, don't you?
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And she said, yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I said, where are those notes? She said, they're at my house.
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And I said, how far away is your house? She said, just in minutes, I said, okay, here's what we're
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going to do. We're going to all stay here. Nobody's going to leave the room except you. You're going
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to go home. You're going to get the notes and you're going to bring them back here. You know,
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you're under court order here now. You know, and I don't I don't want you to go to jail.
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You know, but you know that you will. If you don't do this, you go home and get them and bring them
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back here. So she said, he's going back and brings them back. It's not read them into the records.
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She starts reading them into the record. You know, like Davis saying, you know, how do we fire this
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son of a bitch? He's got tenure. And he's got it. So, you know, these things. So, so, and then we had
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that we had the the deposition of the the president of the the Board of Education scheduled for after lunch
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at one o'clock in the courthouse in the courtroom where the trial would take. And he had no idea.
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And he had no idea. And I said, nobody at all. And nobody here who's been here wouldn't
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is to breathe a word about this because we have a deposition and you'll be held in contempt of court.
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For this. Wow. So, so we come to the become to the deposition at one o'clock, right?
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And just and the the roofest lineman was the president of the of the association of university
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professors to for the state of Idaho. Idaho State University, the kind of union for the teachers.
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And it turns out that the the courthouse was the same courthouse where big bill Heywood had been
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prosecuted the head of the American mining association. No, the miners union back when they had
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the big gun fight that went on over the mines. No, back in Idaho and in the Clarence Darrow came
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into the defend him anyway. So, we're in the courthouse. And it turns out that I had gone in when we
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first got called on this. I went in on the way into the hotel of Idaho and I stopped off at the
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Attorney General's office and went into his office just walked into his office with Joe Durem
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who's I told you it's kind of a stagic guy. You know, he was like 30 years old going on 60,
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you know, kind of a guy. And I would just walk right into the Attorney General's office and the
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secretary's going, excuse me, excuse me. I said, no, I can see my way in. We just walked into the
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Attorney General's office and I explained I said, you know, we're filing this lawsuit, you know,
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against the State Board of Education who have fired Rufus Lyman. And I said, if you, if you
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assign or yourself or anybody else to defend him, I'm going to name you as a defendant.
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You know, in a conspiracy to violate his first member rights, okay? And so, you're not going to
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defend him or provide any attorney for him. And so, he had to go out and hire the presence
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of this of the Board of Education had to go out and hire and he hired Jess Hawley III who was the
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Attorney General who had prosecuted Bill Big Bill Haywood back 100 years earlier right in this
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courtroom, right? So I had all of this stuff kind of going, right? And so we get him on the stand,
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swear him under of. And so I walked out and I said, okay, can you tell me why you why you fired
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Rufus Lyman? And he said, well, in subordination, you know, that his issues of statement characterizing
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our committee as a star streamer, I said, but I said, but didn't didn't you, didn't you fire him
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just because Davis wanted him fired? I mean, he's not why you fired him. He went, no, no. And I said,
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you had a board meeting, didn't you? Didn't you have a board meeting? I merged the meeting of the
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board. And he said, yes, we did. And I said, now, do you recall in that meeting, Davis saying to you,
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how do we fire this son of a bitch? He's got tenure. Do you remember that? And he just stared at me
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like that. I really about 20 seconds. And he said, no, I don't recall that at all. And I said,
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oh, really? And I went over and I picked up the nose and I said, how about this one? Don't you think
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we could fire him if he says anything more about this? And did just that? And then it just dawned
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on him like that that we had the some notes. And he started looking and he started going
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started getting all really red in the face. And then he kind of goes, oh, and he sags, sags, dumb in
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the chair like that in the just all the jumps up. And he says, look, there's something where I said,
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sit down, sit down, shut up. I said, you're going to get a chance to sit there. I said, look,
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I'm going to have to answer this question. I said, you know that we've got the information. So you
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got to answer the question because I don't and he's so he's just all of a sudden he slumps down
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like that. So I say, okay, okay, look at I'm going to give you 10 minutes. I'll give you a 10 minute
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break. Nobody talks to him. Nobody talks to him. You don't go near him, Holly. You know, he's under
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oath right now and he can't talk to him. So, so when we take a break and I get up and I go out into
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the hall and I'm kind of pissed off and I let him off like that. You know, I'm kind of kicking myself
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and I'm like, all right, so I'm turning I go into the men's room to go and take a leak or so I go
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into the men's room. And there he is. There's the president and they're all by himself.
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He sees me come in and I said, look at you got to answer the question. I said, you know, I've got
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nothing to get you. You got to get you going. And he goes up because of walled sags down the
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walls. It's on the floor. So I come out and I say, look, I think there's something wrong here. I
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think you better get some so they call the ambulance. They bring into the hospital. He has open heart
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surgery that afternoon. Oh wow. So serious. Yeah. And so I have an heart attack. So I've got I've got all
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the rest of the board of education subpoena right. And so the next two guys, the next two guys
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were scheduled report into the court that they both gone into the hospital and had voluntary
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open heart surgery. Oh, they did. I swear to God, that's a true story. Whoa. And I didn't know
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that's something you could request. Yeah. Yeah. They they bought they said it's a volunteer thing.
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My doctor says I need to get some coronary. He's cleared out. Yeah. So they they go in and so
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that we move for summary judgment. We got the notes and everything right. So we move for
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summary judgment against them. We come into the hearing and there's just hall incomes in
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and so we come in in the judge that judge looks over at the mall and says, so okay, how are we
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this morning, gentlemen? And no, no heart problems here this morning are there. He said to them.
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You know, so we got to summary, but since then I said to myself, we know that there was something
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wrong here. You know, that somehow I had gotten myself into a state of consciousness that I was
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kind of justifying, you know, acting that way toward him and had in a certain sense dehumanized
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into the point where I didn't I not only didn't mind that he was having a heart attack, you know,
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I thought it was kind of helpful for us, you know, that's right. You were intimidate the rest of them.
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And so that I realized, you know, and so that's when that's when I started meditating. Oh wow.
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Turns out Jojo Ram, who was the general counsel for the ACLU and that I was at the ACLU
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nationally, the Rocky Mountain Regional, he was a Sufi actually and that I was staying at his
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house in Boulder, Colorado. And they had this group that come in and do all these friends. I said,
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this meditation thing, I've heard a lot about it. And I should really try to figure out what
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this is all about. So I started reading up on transcendental meditation. You know, it's not
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any kind of sectarian thing. It's not Hindu Buddhism. So I started doing those meditations. And I
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discovered that I was there for a whole year at that office doing them. And after a number of
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weeks of doing this, you know, every morning and every evening, I started realizing that there was
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this, and of course, I didn't understand it to begin with what could happen. It was supposed to
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happen. But I realized that I finally got into doing this chant that enabled you to actually breathe
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all the air out and then breathe all the air in and that you got into this kind of breathwork
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thing. And that you would actually start to ascend into this kind of state of consciousness
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that was this stopped all the chit chat going out in your brain. You know, this is called
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chit chat out of talking to yourself. And you get into this kind of a space and then I started
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having this kind of amazing feeling that here I am sitting in this particular position that they
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advocate you being. And I realized that that people have been sitting in this exact position for
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a thousand years, no, 2000 years, you know, and doing this exact same position and that they were
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getting into this kind of state where they started transcending the particular
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vizisitudes of your own particular incarnation here, your particular culture and time and place.
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And you know, once you get past worrying about you have to do the laundry, you have to, you know,
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go get the oil change in your car. And you transcend into this place of kind of no thoughts
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as such. And all of a sudden you start getting this kind of sense of perspective of your own,
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if your own consciousness. And that I discovered that I started causing me to be different,
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you know, not be as aggressive, not being as a didn't resort to kind of descending into these kind
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of lower chakra energy centers, you know, and drawing my motivation from that kind of stuff. And so
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that I really, I really realized that this was, this was kind of really important that what we
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had discovered here in the rediscovered. Yeah, rediscovered. And so then I ended up going back
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to do the PhD work and I ended up studying stuff at the Divinity School, you know, on this,
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this experience that people have, this metanoia type experience people have. And I started getting
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out of kind of intellectually. And that's when I got approached by Father Roger Kutor, who had been
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the professor at the Harvard Divinity School, actually at ETS, the Episcopal Theological School,
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teaching the theological underpinnings of human rights. And I had written a number of papers in
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the course and so he called me in and said, you know, do you realize what's happening now with
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the Jesuits? And I said, what? He said, you know, I can tell from the papers that you're writing that
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you must be Catholic. You know, I said, you know, Danny Shean, you know, I got a sister Colleen
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and a brother Patty. Yeah, right. And so, so he said, you know, but the Jesuits have all been,
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all the provincials, all 100 provincials from around the world have been called into Rome
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by the superior general, Pedro Arrupe, in that they're crafting a whole set of social justice
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documents. No. Saying that the Jesuit order needs to devote itself to bringing about social justice
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actually the deconstructing of all of the sinful structures in both Western and Eastern culture.
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And they're looking for a legal counsel, general counsel. And I have recommended you for it.
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They want you to come down and talk to them about this. And so that's what I did. I went down and
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well, actually, I didn't. I actually went up to do the thing up here, the Mohawk thing,
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about the Finch and Pride thing. And Father Bill Davis came all the way up from Washington, DC.
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So when I came out of this like 24 hour sweat with the, the, you know, six spiritual leaders of the
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of the six Indian nations, you know, climbing out of this sweat. Father Davis was standing right
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there waiting. So that's how I got recruited to go down and become general counsel for the Jesuit
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headquarters in their social ministry office, which is important for this whole issue. It's a good
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perspective from which to approach this in all of its complexity and in all of its political ramifications,
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all of its cultural ramifications and very importantly, in all of its theological implications of how
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we, how we integrate this extraordinary information about our human consciousness and its
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effect upon the collapse of the wave function and the mental telepathy and all of these things
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that are involved. And you need to have to make it non-secular. You need to have a really whole,
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holistic perspective on this thing in order to understand which is what we do at the New Paradise
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Institute, which is fantastic because of the amount of myopic perspective that people have been
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taking in their own, through their own research or through their own paradigms, has really led to
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conflict within, you know, UFO communities and led to a lot of obviously disagreements and it's
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so wild because we're all looking for the same thing. We're all just looking for the truth. And,
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you know, we do get sometimes because of so many different reasons, including your own personal
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history and psychology and everything else, we get locked into like, this is this or this is that,
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it's just so good to have an open world view, as you said, and a perspective, you know, that can
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really encompass every perspective, like just as much as humanly possible. Danny, we're going to get
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into some questions here from the audience, if you don't mind. Sure. All right. So these are questions
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from the interns or the operatives that we have over at the people who are going to be members of
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the citizens for disclosure. That's correct. Those would be the people right right in soon. Yeah,
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we have a lot of people there that are very, very involved every single day on our Discord channel
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having these important conversations and it's truly great to see because with our community moderators
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and everything else, we really uphold a nice platform to be able to communicate respectfully with
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each other while still throwing rocks at each other. Exactly. And everyone's entitled to their
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own opinions. And, you know, we have just a really good discourse going on there. So, really love it.
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So here we go. This is the first question.
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It's cool. What is your favorite bit of evidence that has convinced you that we are not alone
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by firemist? Oh, I'm, it's the first one is the seeing the photographs.
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It's the seeing the photographs. Photographs in the classified persons of Project Blue Book.
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Perfect. Yeah. I'll follow it by the photograph of Father Davis. Yes. It was all very, very helpful.
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I will add on to that a secondary part of that question since it's already been answered.
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Yeah. Have you ever seen or have you ever seen evidence of NHI through a photo or video?
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No, just the I've seen half a dozen of the purported photos and stuff. It's all the one that you had
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last night that these all require kind of intense scrutiny. Yes. Scientific analysis of the photos,
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etc. And that I haven't seen any of them yet that I have been able to subject to the necessary
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scientific verification to be convinced yet. Or a lot of the examples that you're mentioning,
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are they from a career from Dr. Greer? Some are from Greer. Yeah. She's had some interesting ones.
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A lot of light related beings and that type of thing during C.E.5. That's right.
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A couple of them running through the shrubs, that famous one.
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Was the Bijou? I don't know. There was one floating around.
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Yeah. I've seen him pull over these. Yeah. Nothing convinced me yet.
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Okay. Fair enough. And in various ways, there's a couple of these alleged interrogations of ETs
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that are being, you know, brow-beaten in the cold. The John Stuart. Yeah. I haven't been convinced
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of those either of I have not been convinced. Okay. Next question.
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Fun, right? This is cool. I'd be all the train station. Yeah. I know. I've seen it.
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It's a grand central. Yeah. Yeah. So you had three questions for a non-human being.
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What would you ask by Maverick Star? If I were assuming that they were extraterrestrial.
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Correct. I would ask them, you know, what is it that they think about the potential existence
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of an infinite and eternal sea of completely undifferentiated consciousness that surrounds
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our material universe and its relationship to the condensation of consciousness into our material realm.
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What do they think about that? That's number one. Well, deep. That's number one. Number two, I would ask them,
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you know, what was the process by means of which they actually overcame their age of nuclear weapons
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or some totally self-destructive weapon system that they had in their culture? What was the
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process by means of which they overcame it and how many tries did it take of re-establishing their
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culture and succeeding in the one that he comes from now? Great question. That would be the first one.
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And secondly, I would ask them, you know, what is the what is the
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juridical entity, if any, of which they're a part with the different species with whom it would be
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important to communicate to try to get a process going where there's a set of protocols with adequate
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authorization or authority to govern their other species. What does that look like?
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I love this. You know, in my mind, I'm imagining you sort of deposing one of these NHI and
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in some type of galactic courtroom, you know, and getting to ask, and,
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who do we talk to? Who do we have to subpoena to talk to? You know, the grand NHI here. What's going on?
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Give me them documents. Wonderful, wonderful answer.
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This one here is from Hara.
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Hara asks, how long have you known about the relationship between psionics and the phenomenon?
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About a year and a half. That recent
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about the term. The term psionics itself. I mean, I've known about this issue of
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telepathic communication. And I knew about all the way up to the the craft themselves
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being apparently conscious in some way, some kind of consciousness. And that was from
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interestingly enough. Cheat that must have been 10, 15 years ago that Bob Raimi,
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who was the president of the Academy of Arts and Science, he and Mason Oofeld are the
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guys that do all the time-clancy movies, Patriot Games and Redactora. They wanted to do the Iran
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contra case. And I was in Bob Raimi's office and his staff guy, Nikki Grillo,
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comes over to me and pulled me aside and said, Danny said, there's a there's a fellow that
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wants to talk to you. And he's to talk to you. He said, I think he's very important.
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Would you be willing to go talk with him without even knowing who he is? And I said, look,
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if you say so, Nikki, I'll do it. And I had some space between that meeting with Bob Raimi
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and going to see Marl Brando, who wanted to play Theodore Shackle in the movie. So I had a
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space there. And I said, okay, I'll go to this. So Nikki brings me out and we get in his big red
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El Dorado Cadillac convertible. He had this like 1962 El Dorado convertible. So we drive off
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and we go over to the to Warner Brothers studios. I'm going to the lot and we go into this guy's
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office and it turns out to be Bill Toddman Jr. Mark Goodson and Bill Toddman used to be
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the big famous team that would they produce. I love Lucy. Okay. 64,000 dollar question.
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You know, what's my line to they produce all this. And so Bill Toddman Jr. was son of Bill Toddman.
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And he was a Jr. executive, some kind at Warner Brothers. And he wanted to talk to me because it turns
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out he had he had actually seen the UFO. He said that when he was in college, he had he was hiking
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actually outside of Boulder, Colorado up in the the Flat Irons and some big metal up in there. And
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he walked up to some metal and here's a UFO. He said sitting right in the middle of the metal,
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this big field. And he went all the way over to it and put his hand on it and it was alive. He said
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the this thing I could tell it was the craft itself was alive. And that was the first time that I
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had that info. So I started checking into that and started finding out about stuff that was going on.
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And I found out that our there's some of our labs that are working on AI stuff.
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We're actually and this is back that must be I said 10, 10, 12 years ago.
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Actually are using human stem cells to generate synapses in computers.
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Well, yeah, fast forward that a million years. And what does that look like? That's right.
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That's right. And so I was out into this like about 10, 15 years ago. So that I've been tracking
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that stuff about the the crafts actually being sentient in some way. And I knew that they they
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pulled the helmet out of the the Roswell crash because that they were communicating. Yeah, the
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some with the with the craft telepathically. But I but I hadn't known prior to that that there was
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sentient kind of consciousness in the craft that responded to it. Yeah, Phil, of course, I'd
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mentioned that the headpiece. That's right. There's also someone who Dr. Greer brought on for the
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disclosure project in the more recent one that he did a few years ago. There was a gentleman there
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that said he had met. He was working at some test range that Raytheon was a part of and whatnot.
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But at night, he was with I think his his lady. And in the middle of the road, there was this like dark
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triangular sort of like Vanta Black craft that was just kind of like right there. And as he got out,
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he went to touch it. And it was like purring like a kitten in a kind of like recoiled and
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this whole strange story. And credit like it's just when you think you got a grasp on what the
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heck's going on. Yeah, you're like, oh yeah. We that we're just touching the edges of this thing right now.
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Yeah, you know, this this reminds me of a story that I should tell you that that
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to to very dear friends of mine that Mindy Mack, Robert Mackintosh was one of my friends from
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college in law school and who went on to become the chief assistant attorney general in the state
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of Washington actually. But and Joe Zinn, who was a dear friend of mine, who was a computer programmer,
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specialist for IBM. And they were friends of mine. We're sitting in our living room in New
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York, but I was working for the Kale firm. I was like a Sunday afternoon and we were sitting there
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passing the jointer out. And and kind of laughing into Joe Zinn started talking about says you don't
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understand what's going on in this computer field. He said there's stuff. There's stuff that's
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going on that in another 50 years. He said they will be doing things that you can't even conceive
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of right now. And Mindy Mack said like what? That's where we are right now, you know, with regard to
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all this stuff. You know that we we are even able to kind of really capture the concepts. All we're
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doing is projecting out concepts. We've already already figured out. Yeah, you know, we're projecting
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trying to project them out to the next kind of integer logical step. That's right. But yeah, but
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these people are wowing us every every time you think you're getting this thing. So you have to
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be careful about, you know, over a concretizing any particular piece of information you got. But
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the thing was psionics is the first time I heard it. And I was so hard to secrecy when I was told
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about the psionics, it's called psionic assists. That there's a technology that they've got that
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is amping up the capacities of individuals to do telepathic communication. Wow, an actual
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technology. Yeah, and it's they call it psionic assist. And it's very dangerous and it's
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frying out the brains of people that they're testing. And they've they still keep on doing it.
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And it's very dangerous, very dangerous. But it's working. It's if they it's working enough
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to keep them doing it. Despite what the consequences are, but they're pilots,
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American pilots that have been subjected to this thing in our just killed them actually.
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If they keep doing it, they've got this opinion that if you're in the military, you're you're
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ours and we can do whatever we want. But they spend millions training these guys. And they're
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they're risking everything. Are there any current investigations going on with this?
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There's one that we're in the process of putting together. I'm in communication with
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guys in the justice department now. If we can get things settled down inside the justice department
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enough, you know, that that cash for tell is in FBI now. You've got Pam is on over justice now.
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And they they've ordered everybody in the criminal division. This would be, you know, to resign,
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to sign these resignation letters. So I'm talking to the guys who have refused to sign or who
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have been given permission not to have to sign because they're kind of restructuring the
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internals of justice right now to investigate this thing. Okay. That's that's really interesting
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concerning as well. It's very alarming. You know, this is a I suspect this is all part of
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a little bit of what David Grash and Jake Barber have been alluding to that there are
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there have been some projects that have sort of disregarded human life that have to do with
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these retrievals. That's right. That's right. That's the that's the dark part of all this. Yeah.
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It's it's not so much the using of tack, which obviously, you know, is illegal because they want to
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like whatever proprietary blah, blah, blah. But then it's like, oh, they're hurting people. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and they can't do this. You know, I mean, you know, they think we're naive and you know,
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that like, you know, civilians, you don't know what you're talking about. You know, we have to we
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have to put people at risk in order to, you know, test pilots, but that's voluntary. Yeah. And I assume
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that they that we're getting these pilots to voluntarily agree to try this technology that they have.
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But they they shouldn't have done they shouldn't have gone to the lengths that we say to go on. And,
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you know, following the paper trail of this technology, well, there's probably a company that came
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up with that. Yes. Well, they worked off they worked off. I think they were working off the helmet
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technology and figure out what that was from from from the Roswell. Yeah. Yeah. I think it started there.
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And but it's it's a it's a psionic assist. It's not just it's not just a condo-witting of the actual
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you know amplifying rain waves. It's amplifying. It's amplifying dramatically and it's it's fatal.
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Wow. And obviously, yeah, people are signing up for it. Don't know what they're getting into. I'm sure.
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Right. That's yeah, that's concerning. Well, this question kind of is a little bit of a follow-up
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to that. So this will be the last one here.
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By Gislay, he says, are you aware of any whistleblowers or evidence not known by the public about to
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come out in the next month? In the next months. Yes. Yeah, it could be ester now. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Without giving away too much, because obviously if that is the case, we want to be protective of
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yeah, you know, whoever I don't want to touch on that any further relationships. Of course.
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Of course people there on a scale of one to disclosure with a big D. No, it's not that yet. They're
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not there yet. Okay. Because they they have to they have to bring on all the other structures.
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I see. They've got to have justice department involved in it to decide, you know, whether anybody's
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going to be given immunity to to disclose the information, you know, who are the people that
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are going to be suspect who might try to retaliate against them so that they can reach out to them
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warn them not to do this. You know, they they need to they need to figure out who else might get
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potentially exposed. Mm-hmm. By revealing this information, you know, there's there's
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complexifications. Yeah. But my my role in this is to make sure that the complexifications
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don't become justifications in rationale. National security. Continuing the same bullshit that
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we've been dealing with for 80 years because they've all got they've all got some excuse for why
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they they don't do this. Of course. Do you think do you do you think that there will ever be some
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type of channel kind of like a witness protection program equivalent for some of these whistleblowers
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because it seems like, you know, just offering them a pension for a lot of these whistleblowers
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isn't enough because their lives might be at stake. Yeah. The problem is that you can't hide from
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these they've got to remote viewing capacity. Right. When they can when they can read files, you know,
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at a distance like this show, you aren't going to hide. There's no hideout from these from us.
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And it's a and it's sad because I mean, the the the effective and legitimate utilization of
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capacities like that, you know, it's hard to really figure out why it's good to think and go
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around reading people's minds for anything else. You know, so almost all of this has been boosted
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by military objectives and spying and espionage things, you know, so that in its surveillance.
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But but you say things like, you know, wouldn't you want to know if there's a a person
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loose who's a raping kidnapped and raping four year old children, you know, don't you think we
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ought to be able to get at this person and stop them? You know, they always they always give you
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these these horrible, extreme examples to get you to agree and principle that somebody ought to
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be able to do that. And then you say, yeah, but who's going to be in charge of that and who do they
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decide to target and then what happens when it starts discovering that they're actually spying
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on elected representatives to figure out what their position is on a bill, which they will do.
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They will do it. They will use all of these things. That's one of the constitutional point of
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you that that Larry Tribe always taught us saying, look at you've got to understand that any power
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that you agree to is given to the government, they they they will try to abuse it.
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But that's what we know about. That's what the purpose of the Constitution is. You have to assume
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that there's somebody eventually is going to try to abuse it. And so you have to set up kind
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of prophylactic measures to keep that from happening if you're going to grant any kind of power
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to to a governing structure. And that's our job as constitutional litigators is to figure out what
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those restrictions are that are reasonable that you know, take into account what the legitimate
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interests of the collective community are in law enforcement and protection without overdoing
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it, knowing that the history has always been to overdo it. Yeah. Always has been the history.
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Follow that. Yeah. And so that we we have to be willing to accept some of the consequences
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of having a governing structure that isn't as effective as is conceivably possible to be.
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You know, I mean, this idea of having the the you know, television cameras on all the streetlights
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now, the stoplights and in in photographing your license plate and you in the car and then
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keeping all the information is sending to the fusion centers that they have. And then they say,
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oh, that's not a violation of any of your force, right? Because you're out in public, you know.
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And then they say, Oh, what about your phone call? Oh, they're monitoring your phone calls too.
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And they actually take the position. Oh, yeah, monitoring your phone calls and recording all
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your phone calls doesn't violate your right to privacy. And let's say, want to listen to them.
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You know, they're just storing them. In that case, they they'd have to file a war. But the problem
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is is then they've got the fires of court, the foreign intelligence surveillance court where they say
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you don't need to have probable cause to believe that any crimes been committed. Yeah. All you
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have to do is have an articulable articulable suspicion. Sure. That information
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related to a national security interest of the United States may be discussed. Yeah. Oh, wow.
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Dishust. How's that for a standard? You know, and then everything they're into your telephone
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conversations. Yeah. And they they've they had over two dozen instances where that power was
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in vote just on behalf of normal law enforcement. That's how easy it was. Not any any intelligence
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activity, but law enforcement. And then then you're running the people say, well, don't you think
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you should try to get people that are doing kitty porn? You know, don't you think they should have
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some way of stopping, you know, kids from being subjected to porn. Kitty porn. You know, and
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and then you're if you say, no, I think, you know, that that shouldn't justify, you know,
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listening to everybody's telephone calls, then somehow you're supporting kitty porn. You're
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the baggain. You know, you know, and you're saying, look, that's just bad thinking, you know, so I
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don't I don't have to worry about you. I mean, if you're going to have that kind of thinking,
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I'm not going to be able to persuade you. Yeah, there's an argument for against anything,
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really. We just have to look at logic and let that sort of dictate what what we're allowed to be
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doing or using this stuff for and and and there's there is a means at our disposal as human beings
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by means of which we can actually discern what type of human conduct either individual or
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collective, you know, is either harmonious with or disharmonious to the natural order of the
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universe. You know, that's natural law that there is such a thing and we can discern it and that's
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what this whole faculty of discernment is about. The whole conscience is about it has to do with
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consciousness. You know, in the higher and higher your consciousness is the larger and larger your
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perspective is on things. The more appropriate the decisions are that you're going to be making. Of
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course. You know, and that's why that's why this is so hopeful. If we're at a point where a juncture
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where we're going to be actually participating and elevating the consciousness, generally,
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of our whole human family, we're hoping that that's going to bring about an improvement in our
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conduct toward each other. It will inevitable. And that's the whole issue of free will of trying
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to force that on people or make them raise their consciousness in some way or force an
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increase in consciousness and then by shocking them by exposing them to some sort of
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analogical shock, you know, is a is a those are moral and ethical questions that we have to answer.
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That's that's why I ended up at Jesuit headquarters instead of an F. Lee Bailey's office or he
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was asking me to represent Mikey and Julo of the end Julo brothers crime family. Right. And I
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was looking at him like, what are you kidding me? You know, I mean, I'm a wise guy. Yeah.
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As I said to Mikey and Julo, you know, Mr. and Julo, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
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I said, so you understand what my relationship with you is. I said, because I know what you are and
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I you kill people that, you know, you think betray you. I don't want you to get the slightest
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suspicion that I'm ever working for you or doing anything to help you because I'm never going to
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betray you. Yeah. So that's what I said to him. Yeah. I mean, you know, we've got a we've got a long
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way to go, but we've also come a long way. Yes. You know, I and I think it's I think it's really
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noble. I think it's great what we're doing and I encourage, you know, everyone out there to go
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check out new paradigm institute.org and participate in any way you can. And even if you don't want to do
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that, you know, just make sure to have an open mind when having these conversations. I think it goes
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a lot further than you would expect in the grand scheme of things. You know, if we can go back to
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a bit of the mine state we had in the 60s and 70s where people were a little bit more open to
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love leading the conversation. I think, you know, inevitably it takes away the desire for militarization
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and this sort of this sort of control that is being exhibited on us, you know, and it makes it
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a little bit more of an expansive reality to live in and one filled with a little bit more positive
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nature. And I think it's again a very noble thing. Well, people, people are going to discover it.
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If they become citizens for disclosure, they're going to become part of a community, you know,
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and ideally in their local jurisdiction and they'll get to meet the other people, you know,
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go to their homes, meet their kids, you know, start to have a sense of community. And sharing this
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kind of optimistic positive view and one of the things that they can be assured, and that is at
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the new paradigm institute, it's not going to be naive about this, you know, that we're cognizant
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of some of these concerns, all the concerns that people have about this, including the national
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security interest and other things. You know, I'm not a great fan of the national security state
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infrastructure. I'm not a great fan of the nation state image, which is part of the Treaty of
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Westphalia, like of 1625, you know, which was an agreement made by the Royal families to divide
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the physical areas up for the Royal families to control. And so I'm not absolutely committed
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to the the maintenance of the institution of the nation state, but the people who work in our
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raised in the national security state, it becomes their absolute totem, you know, that's what they
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have to protect, you know, and they're assigned to do it and trained to do it. So I know that it
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gives them the willies whenever I say something like, you know, that we may have to have some sort of
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larger, you know, juridical association on our planet. Sounds a little too libertarian for that.
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Yeah, it just sounds scary. So it's like the one world government. Yeah, no, that's going to be,
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you know, I mean, how are we doing with our own nation state government right now?
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Yeah, I, you know, I often think of that too, and people are like, one world government, beware.
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I'm like, avoid it. Sounds amazing. Like, I don't, maybe that's the sign up. Is that we
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are bred to think it's a bad thing? I'm like, doesn't one world government mean we have no one
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left to fight? Yeah. Isn't that, you know, and they're like, well, they'll put a chip in you.
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As long as you maintain your right of free will, of course, I can, you know, I can participate.
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And if you want to opt out, you know, I mean, I think this is outrageous. They say, now, you know,
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that you've got to go in, if you're going to be allowed to drive a car, yeah, you know, you've
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got to have credit and all this. You've got to have, you got to have a driver's license. It's got
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chip in it so they can monitor you wherever you are. And, and then they're going to have it all be
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what's called national identifier. Yeah. You know, and they're going to, and eventually they're
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going to want you to use it for all your credit cards and your medical stuff. You got to,
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you got to recognize it ahead of time. For the record, I'm not, I'm not in favor of being
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chipped up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I definitely, no, chips
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here. And now, you know, we've seen what happens with social credit in China and everything else,
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and it's just, it's just a terrible thing for humanity to be. Yeah, it's another means of control.
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And that's something we just have to know. We're basically, we're basically, emancipating from
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free will champions. Yeah. You know, and that we want to maximize them on a free will.
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And the individuals have. And we want to, we want to maximize the degree of cooperation that
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people have with each other. We want to minimize the application of brute force or violence.
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And all the terrorism. And yeah, and so it's not surprising. And that's why if you, if you look
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to Christianity, and Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism, you know, that all of these basic
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ethics are there. Sure. You know, so that these are, these are things that is like a parallel
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value system that we've been exposed to. And all we're doing is saying that we prefer this one
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to have the balance of kindness and loving and compassion and charity and concern for your
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fellow human being and other sentient beings. And you know, the worst thing that happened is they
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say, oh, you're too naive. Sure. You know, and that, you know, we're not going to, we're not
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going to give you a security clearance. Yeah. And at the same time, you can pray for whoever you want.
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You know, we can still work towards this beneficial event. Yeah. And the mean time, you know,
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you can still have all have your cake and eat it too. Okay. Well, Danny, this has been a fantastic
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conversation. We've gone on quite long enough. Oh, I don't know. What did we lose time?
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Hope we're a time. We are in a time, Lou Battility. You're going to get back to your house.
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It's going to be the same time you left. Yep. Yeah, we're going on for three and a half hours.
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This has been an enlightening conversation to say to Lisa. Thank you so much for sharing all of
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this with me and being so open, transparent. And for being on the forefront of transparency and
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fighting for our right to, you know, more information about what's going on in our skies and
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inner oceans and in our government. Really, really truly an honor to be sitting here and chatting
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with you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it, Chris. Anytime.
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