Transcript: Joe Rogan Experience #2246 - James Fox

Definitely not at home made one like the one those people died in yeah, but that was there's another thing about that case when the people went down that submarine apparently

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I guess it's the Navy has some sort of very sophisticated underwater

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Audio sensors and they heard the implosion and they knew about it like immediately and didn't report on it

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Well, I mean, I think the problem with reporting on is that you have to report on your technology now

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I don't even know if this has been confirmed, but this is what I had heard methods and means or well, it's also

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It's got to be top secret

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It's got to be one of those things where if you're gonna reveal that you heard that you have to have clearance to do it

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You probably have to run it up the ladder one of the reasons why we know about overhead

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Satellite imagery of UAP is because of Ratcliffe who's former head of ODNI and he came forward

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And I remember it's funny actually because it was classified and

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Christopher Mellon participated in this latest production with me because of Ratcliffe revealing it on Fox News and Ratcliffe basically says

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Yeah, we have overhead collection satellite data of UAP that are pretty fucking far out and that yeah that that happens

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So they're talking about this but getting back to your point because I know you said you were frustrated

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You're like, oh, yeah, it's just another anecdotal piece of evidence a piece of testimony third party not firsthand

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I'm not so frustrated. No, no, I know I

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What I'm saying is I totally agree with you unfrustrated as somebody has been chasing the story for 30 years

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I too want access to the better more compelling data

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Yeah, why chase after that photograph I just shared with you earlier on for as long as I did because I hear about something

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I go after it, but I want to remind your audience

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You can't go after something

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Without knowing that it exists. So you get the leads you find you start we're learning more about the programs

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We're learning how these programs are hidden these woo saps

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They're waved unacknowledged special access programs probably hidden somewhere in the deal

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I know it sounds crazy, but but least guiding giving some guidance to where are these things and how these things are hidden where they might be found

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We reveal there's a gentleman in the film called

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Navy X and people are like, oh, it's another person testifying anonymously

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Well, yes true, but he gives a specifics on telling members of Congress where to look to find specific

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specifics J wicks. What is it? And this is where to find the more compelling data

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I'm going to read this because it's important that people know that he's saying look

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I've seen it and this is where it is

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It's called the official UAP data is kept either in SIPP or secret internet protocol router network or JWIX joint worldwide intelligence

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Communication system that's used by the DOD and only available in a SKIF and a SKIF is a sensitive

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compartmented information facility. So

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Is it frustrating to hear that and people criticize? Oh, it's another person, but he's saying I've seen it

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It's phenomenal. He gives descriptions of some of the stuff he saw and he's telling members of Congress if you have the clearances

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This is where it's being kept so those are very good specifics and again, I remind you guys like okay

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Just be patient. This is not a hundred yard dash. We're running a marathon right now

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I need you to be patient. We are we're trying to get back to what I was talking about earlier

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Logistically logistically if you're letting something go from the ocean. Yes, if you're flying it out of the ocean

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Logistically, you would have to have some sort of a large craft out there that's going to house these things or it's gonna launch from yeah

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Yeah, it is actually come from the ocean. Oh, you see the drones you're talking about right now, right? Yes

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So either they're ours and if there are ours

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Yes, how do they hide the fact there's a battleship out there?

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If is that possible and if if it's from a submarine

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How do they develop a submarine that can launch 50

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Carcised or SUV size drones from yeah, that's one of the things that Chris from Ellen said to me this morning

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He goes that's just that's the one

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Element or aspect that that really is a head scratcher because but this is the question 50

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50 of these things coming in off the ocean. That's just confirmed right right no one's the question

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Yes, is it possible to classify the location of a US battleship that's capable of having these things so big

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How could you like what how big would it have to be to launch 50 drones?

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God you're not talking. I don't know man, but that's a question of drones

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Especially the size of the reporting they're talking about drones the size of an SUV right?

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So let's a let's imagine let's imagine you so when you take a ferry

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How many cars can a ferry fit on it? I take a ferry all the time in Vermont

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Look a big one like a legit one like a year 1550 cars. I put well the one that's medium legit I put

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25 30 maybe 40 25

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Yeah, so could you think couldn't you do that with drones and couldn't you have something that's a little larger than the average ferry

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So you wouldn't need a battleship. Why would they do that? Why would they do that in residential areas?

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I don't know have everybody scratch in their heads all these press conferences

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You're talking about the head of the gang of eight, okay?

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But if they're if they need to

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Control those guys

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If they are really looking for a nuke

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Okay, let's imagine that this story about

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You know a Ukrainian nuke from the time when they they disarmed them

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There's one that's unaccounted for this is one of the stories that's been on the internet. I don't know if it's true

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Yeah, that it's unaccounted for and that they think it's headed to the United States if you were trying to find that thing

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And you bomb yeah, or like a just a regular nuke that if you're looking for gamma rays

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Like the you could devise a drone that could search for that and you'd fly it over an area and you wouldn't care

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Whether people freaked out because it's more important to find this goddamn thing

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Right, so if you have this technology that's some skunk works. You can't do it from space

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No, I don't think so. I think you have to be there certain proximity within I think to pick up whatever

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Did you bring this up with Ryan Graves? Yes, what did he say? You mean he doesn't know either, you know, he doesn't think so

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Everybody that I trust is the issue people in the FBI people that I'm I communicate with often

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I'm like what is going on it almost seems too sexy that the United States has that kind of ability and they're just flying

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These things around and that they're doing it for that specific reason to find a nuke

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It's like that we have this kind of technology that we didn't none of us are aware of that we have these these drones that can shut off

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When you come close to them the light shut off they disappear. They they go work avoid tracking the RF signal

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Yeah, doesn't show up. They they're cool

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There's some there's some sort of cooling mechanism in them. So it's difficult to see with infrared

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I don't understand any of that. He was saying that's above what we can do right now

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And saying they but they're not moving in a way necessarily

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That's not possible with drone technology that is mainstream

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But there's some aspects of the way they move and what they're doing that doesn't lead them to believe that this is

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Current state of the art technologies

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Yeah, they even even I had some and tell people tell me like even if it's conventional. It's highly advanced conventional

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Right, but let's look at China like China has highly advanced drones. Yeah, they're drone

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We were talking about this as well that the bottleneck in America was the a fa a the fa

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Put a lot of restrictions on the manufacturer of drones and how you can do them what you can do

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China doesn't have any of that so they're full steam ahead with innovation if you look at what

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Drone manufacturers in the United States have been able to do and then imagine

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Untethered if they weren't fucked over by all these regulations that got in the way of innovation

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Who just come obviously have to have one because you have some commercial drone that someone can buy that can move

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500 miles an hour and fly through the air and stay up there for six hours at a time and film video of everything and anything

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Well, and you you can't control it you can't block the the radar screen you can't find it with infrared

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That's pretty nuts

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So I would imagine that would not be a thing that they would want in the hands of the average American person

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But why did it just start happening fairly recently when I say this

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I'm saying if it's Chinese

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If it's Chinese if they if they're unburdened by our regulations and that not only do they have the help of the government

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They have financing behind them. They have an imperative. They're told what to do

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They're flying it over Langley. They're flying it over. What you do that bet just to fuck with these people

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What's the golf course that Trump has yeah, of course. Yeah, what's that called Westminster?

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Yeah, that's something that they're flying over that yeah, they're president elect

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So it's like the Air Force based did experience incursions of unauthorized unman aerial systems in last year

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December 2023 says so Sabrina sing pentagon spokeswoman the number of those UAS incursions did fluctuate

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But they didn't appear to exhibit any hostile intent. It's something that we have kept our eye on well

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Thank God you're keeping your eye on it. Yeah, we have no idea what they are, but they're fine

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Nothing to worry about. Yesterday that's been happened. This is the third year in a row

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This has been happening right around Christmas time

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Well, it's one of the reasons why I wanted you guys to hear that account by the guy at Van

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Berger for space

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This is not anonymous reporting the guy's giving his name right and he's talking about objects that are the size of a football field

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Yeah, helping over a silo launch control area. Yeah, that's also the phoenix lights

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They described them as size of a football field or larger. Oh, yeah

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Well, I interviewed a guy there was a case that happened in right here in Texas Stevenville

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Ricky sorrows one of the best witnesses. I love the guy. He was a hunter and

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He's like he's like James. He's like you could have landed an airplane on this

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I said you got to be kidding me because now man. I go I stood under this thing

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He goes

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It was so big. I was

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Standing under it and he has rifle and he's standing under it and he's looking up and he's looking to the left

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He's looking to the left right back forward. Can't see the edge of it in any direction

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So he grabs his hunting rifle as he was he was hunting deer. This is 2008

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Graves is honey. He shot it. No, well, so he holds his honey right his rifle up and he's looking to the scope

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And he goes jans on a metal worker. I work with metal. I know what metal looks like and he's looking to the scope and he goes

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Man, there's no rivets. There's no seams. There's no weld marks

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He's like there are these on the belly of it. There were these reverse like recessed

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cones

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It's like bigger and then they got smaller as it went up in the belly of the craft

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He's looking up at it and his fingers on the trigger and he's like man

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I wonder wasn't that how I go wonder what happened if I just pulled the trigger here and I bet it would ricochet off or hit the

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Belly or something so he's looking at it and he's just about to pull the trigger to check it out

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And he goes hmm. Maybe this isn't such a good idea

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I interviewed him in 2008 when this is going down and then about a year later

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I was doing some follow-up interviews for a film I did I know what I saw

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And I had this gentleman walk up to me and I was filming in in the downtown square in

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Stevenville or it might have been doubling and

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This gentleman looks at me and he goes you mr. Fox

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Yes, and he pulls out a badge and he shows me as his badge

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And he's like can I talk to you for a minute? I'm officer so and so and I was like Jesus Christ what the hell did I do?

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And I say yeah sureting we walk off to a cafe and he goes

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He's looking at the head is back he had his back to the wall and the cafe so you can see everybody coming in

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He was really paranoid

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And he says you know Ricky sorrows. I said yeah, he goes that guy's telling the truth

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I said how do you know he goes because the whole police department sought I can't remember it was double in police department

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I Stevenville I think it was doubling

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Steven up a police department he goes we have I mean we he said we

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We were sitting over there patrol cars and this object was like a floating

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Department store. I mean it was absolutely colossus colossal like a city

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Took out my radar gun pointed at it and it was doing

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22 miles an hour and then he said it drifted off and they one of the officers

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I don't remember the name of the gentleman took his gun his sorry his dash cam and he flipped it up and he filmed it

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And apparently with one of the biggest mistakes he this individual made this police officer made was it

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He didn't make a copy of it because the local Air Force base requested that

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Film footage and got it and so I've been telling people

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To go after that stuff exists

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But my point is this object was so big people claim the witnesses the first head witnesses that you would landed an airplane on it

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Yeah, I mean what is what is that those of the cases you see that that's the thing like if you see that do you even tell people

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You sound like a cuck. Yeah, like if I saw it if I was outside in the desert. Yeah, I was just chilling

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And something so big that I couldn't see the edges of it. Yeah, flew overhead. I don't know what I'd say

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He said when it took off it was like this he goes James and Ricky didn't want to give me an on camera interview

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For the longest time he said I'm not coming forward. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going public

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I worked on him for eight months

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Finally, I got the green light I flew back out to Texas got him on camera put him in the movie

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But he said when it took off it went from this a complete standstill and it went

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Straight up like a slight angle, but straight up and gone he goes James. I said describe the acceleration. He goes

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Yeah, I'll tell you the the best way I can describe is it had I blinked

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I would have I would have missed it

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That's not fast it took off so went from here

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Like that he had um

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He had helicopters hovering over his I know this sounds crazy people are gonna be like oh this big

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But he had helicopters flying over his property for a while

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Right around the time that I was trying to get him to go on camera

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They came out in his underwear in his shotgun at late at night with his helicopter spotlight him up

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And he ended up calling the local air force base and said stop flying over my house at night

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And they said we suggest you stop talking about what you saw

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And so uh, he was kind of spooked and about eight months later

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He finally he finally decided that he was gonna go public with the story

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But you know everything to lose nothing again you get this countless reports of of these cases

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You know and they're around the world right? It's not just the United States. I've demonstrated that time and time again

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But there's more of the United States than anywhere else right

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Well, I mean one of my favorite cases Ruiz and Bobway that's an amazing

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But there's more sightings in the United States than anywhere else right seems to be an attraction almost like a a moth to a flame with uh with nukes

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Somehow they're interested in our nuclear capabilities and and I remember interviewing a Robert Salis

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He was a launch control officer who described his whole event at Malstrom Air Force base in the 60s where these

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UFOs were witnessed on the base and then all their

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Missed Minimum and miss all started getting shut down

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And I remember saying to him like well what what uh

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What's what's your take on that like what kind of you know he goes

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And I could realize I realized why this individual was a large control officer because he was so measured and so calm and so cool

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And he goes well James

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The message I got was kind of clear. It's almost like taking matches out of the hands of a baby

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About the news yeah

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So you know with the phenomenon you look at what they do

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Right and that that says some things

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They've done some pretty brazen events right over the around over the decades

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But you also look at what they don't do

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Because if the phenomenon wanted to end this like you know secrecy once and for all all they have to do is hover over the macy's day parade or

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Or the next big Super Bowl and it's game over they don't do that they've done some pretty brazen things

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Right, I mean case in point

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March 13th 97 over the state of Arizona including the governor five-signing witness that

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Massive there are a number of UFOs witness, but that the main one

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You know was this big boomerang shaped craft and even the governor said it must have been at least a mile across from wingtip

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wingtip that floated and I actually interviewed people that worked at Luke Air Force Base at the time

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And they said that they scrambled jets to intercept this thing

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And I interviewed a number of people that saw that craft

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I mean that stood on their that light down in their lawns and watched it float over the top of them

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And apparently according to this individual that I met in the in the late 90s at Luke Air Force Base

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They scrambled a military jet to intercept this thing

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He came up on it could have landed on the dam thing was so big and it went from

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Moving very very slowly to accelerating like warp drive boom. Just gone

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When the jet came back to the base Luke Air Force Base they had to carry him out

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Of the the plane I'm told because he was so shaken by what he saw

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Yeah, I could imagine you wouldn't handle that well. Could you imagine having to keep that secret?

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No, imagine like could you imagine taking the governor? We had to lie right the guy that had to like stand up with a rope

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A guy in a chest of an alien suit. Yeah, and they'll have five time in tune. Yeah

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And they hammered him on that one

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Well, then afterwards once he left office then he talked about it. Yes, he talked about seeing it. Yes. Yeah

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I got wonder why he had to do that. I got oh well

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So I interviewed I was the one that got got him to break his silence after 10 years

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And he told me and I don't necessarily know that I fully believe it

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But he told because initially when it happened in March and now remember the vast majority of people were out of the night's guy

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Get a glimpse of the hellbob comment. So it was witnessed all the way across the state of Arizona and even in Nevada Southern Nevada

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and

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Yeah, there he is

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Five told me that it was growing hysteria

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But initially he had set out and he said we're gonna find out. I'm contacting look Air Force Base

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We just out to the Pentagon and all these various services and we're gonna we're gonna get to the bottom of it

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And then I don't know how much longer it was was it later that day or was it the next day?

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He had an unskiddled press conference and that's when he had his aides dressed up in an alien suit and made a mockery of it all

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And I can assure you

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Pist the hell off his constituents and the witnesses all across the state of Arizona. They were furious and

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I confronted him on that 10 years after the fact

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Because I was pissed off. I was investigating that case when it happened in the 90s and I interviewed a lot of really good witnesses

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really good witnesses and

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He said the reason why he did it was because of growing hysteria that he wanted to

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Quiet calm down the hysteria, but

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Did he get a phone call to say hey kill the story?

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I lean in that direction, but he's never even when we're having cocktails together

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He's never confessed to that happened, but it's awfully suspicious the way I went down

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Because it's a little weird especially considering he actually saw it that could have been a turning point in the UFO phenomenon reporting

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it uh, you know

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era right like suddenly you get this massive siding which would happen today we would have been

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Covered by you know everybody's phones and I would ever but he but if the governor had come forward and said yeah

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We need to figure out that thing is I'm a former captain the Air Force on a pilot and I don't I saw it

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I don't know what the hell that thing was is there any footage of the actual thing the the triangle boomerang

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There's some footage floating around and I featured someone. I know what I saw

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You got an object in the night sky with lights that

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And I at the time in 2009 I did some kind of enhancement. I'm sure the software is a lot better nowadays of

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It looks like um like a big uh, I can draw it like a boomerang. Yeah, yeah, but more angular it was like uh like this

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Like this

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And my drawing my drawings are terrible like that look up at the screen

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, mm-hmm

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Yep, and so that image in the far left

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That's but that's the yeah, and there was it right there, right? Yeah, and here's something that kind of throws off the trail here because

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Um, excuse me the object came down of the state of Arizona it went from north to south. Is that legit?

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Uh on the right there. Yeah, uh, I I honestly I can't say

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I'd have to really do a deep dive into it, but let me tell you what happened because this is brilliant

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So what happened was you got this massive object from around 530 at night in the southern

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Nevada and then it drifts down very slowly over across the entire from north to south across the entire state of Arizona

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And right around 738 830

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Uh, the Gary the berry goldwater mountain range which is the direction it was heading in

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Uh, the military decides to drop a bunch of flares

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And so people were like oh there it is

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That's some you know and they and a bunch of people filmed the flares

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So in my opinion it was a diversionary tactic that was brilliantly done

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Because why the military suddenly decided to drop flares and the shape of somewhat of the shape

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So I think that some of the footage that you've seen out there is military flares, but there's

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And there was an effort

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I don't know if you want to get into it right now, but there was there was an effort

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By the so-called m and b which the m i b these men in black or the whatever

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Unknown government agency they come from

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To

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That took that took some footage that I was

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learning about

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During my investigations in the 90s and then you're looking at me like crazy

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No, no, so the first time I really heard a really credible report of the m i b

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And I decided not to report on it was when I was in touch with a woman who was councilwoman frances barwood

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Who was one of the few officials

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in

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Phoenix area that was saying hey, let's investigate what these people are claiming they have seen

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She's not saying aliens have landed all she's saying is hey these people have a right to know what's going on

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Let's launch an investigation. She was lamppasted over the media made fun of ridiculed

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But as a result of her inquiry public inquiry and putting not there one of these individuals reached out to her

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And I know this because I know her frances barwood. I heard the whole story and he was a

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He was a

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Vietnam vet and he was on the roof of his house with a tripod in the camera and he was trying to get a glimp

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He was trying to film the palbob comment

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And he had walkie talkies and he was monitoring the truck drivers driving up interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix

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And so he's

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Monitoring this and he hears these truckers talking about a massive UFO and he's like shit. That's heading right towards my house

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Who is like I'll film it? So he had a camera all ready to go and the object went right over his house according to him

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And he filmed the whole thing and he goes yeah, I filmed the whole thing. It's pretty spectacular

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And I know that you're launching investigation frances barway would you like to see it?

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And she said yeah, so they made arrangements where he was gonna drop it off at her office

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Either later that day or first thing the next morning

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Two representatives and it was July at this point. It was very hot two men in dark suits showed up at his house and

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they said hey

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He was apparently relieved that's all they wanted. He said they were quite menacing looking didn't really say a lot

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They said we're from frances barwoods office. We're here to pick up that footage

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So he gives in the footage

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He said the only question they ask him is did they make any copies and he said no and so

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They take the footage off they go when he doesn't hear from frances barwood. He's like what the hell?

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So a couple days go by I think possibly up to a week

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He calls her up and he says uh and frances will tell you this she'll still validate what I'm telling you

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He says uh, hey, what do you think of the footage?

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She goes well, what do you mean when I think of the footage? I never got it

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You were gonna drop it off at my office and you didn't show up

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He goes what didn't have to you had two men from your office show up and pick it she goes

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I didn't send anybody around to your office and I know at the time in the late 90s

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I'd heard a couple of stories prior to that. I thought this is too out there. This is too outlandish

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No one's gonna believe this. I have no proof of this other than her testimony screw it

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And I didn't report on it

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But hearing those cases over and over and over it's like there we go once again the so-called evidence that could prove or disprove

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One way or the other the something truly extraordinary took place in this guy's over phoenix back in 1997

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vanished

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But there is some that's that slip between the cracks that's out there

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You just have to do do diligence and there's I don't have the time to sip through all of it

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Those images that we're looking at they look too clean

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Yeah, I don't know what's AI generator or whatever

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What could have been in a documentary like a recreation?

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I know what I saw features some of the footage

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I covered that case extensively

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So if anyone's interested in the phoenix lights case that but I can tell you

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How many cited how many people saw it? Oh thousands. Yeah thousands. I talked to another woman stacey Rhodes and her daughter Emily

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And they said they were driving on interstate 10 and she goes look James. I'm gonna tell you how big this thing was

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I said how big is she goes first of all there were people stopped on the freeway just like

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stopped as this thing it was like close encounters. Just floating over the she goes

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I could have held up a newspaper like this

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And look to the left look to the right look to that and she said I couldn't block this thing out

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That's how big it was and it didn't make a sound it was gunmetal black

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It was witnessed by a lot of people. That's why I say there's some some events that have happened over the decades that are pretty brazen

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And that's one of Hudson Valley's pretty brazen as well

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I knew if it was true

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Well, when you got thousands of people seeing the same thing if you see thousands of people saying the same thing including the governor

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I know the governor invested in it and you go what happened the governor

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Yeah, the governor same guy who came out with a fucking god dressed up like yeah, I know

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But I got him to come clean

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But so he's not credible well already bullshit. He does he bullshit. He definitely bullshit. You're all there

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Yeah, so when someone bullshit's about that they're bullshit about anything but well

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True yeah, but I mean I again, I'm just playing devil's out. No, I hear you. I hear I hear what you're saying and I

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Has been a line. I'm like a lot. It's good thing. There's no smoke without fire. There is so much

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evidence in terms of

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eyewitness testimony and radar

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Some photographic none as much as we'd like that something truly inexplicable

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Is taking place in our aerospace right for sure something that

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After careful examination something that not because of a lack of data in some instances

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But that after careful analysis and research investigation that comes out the other end and says

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I can't explain this is it gonna have to be one of those

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Unknowns or you know falls into that 15% category of

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Cannot provide a terrestrial or conventional explanation for and those are the cases that I've so desperately have been going after for a long time

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So as all this disclosure and those discussions on television now and all these meetings and hearings does it

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So I you think we're on an accelerated path. Do you think this is like this is all good

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Right, I'm convinced of it. Yes, but do you think that there's a real possibility like within the next few years that they just completely drop all the bullshit and come clean about this stuff

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Or would it take some sort of extraordinary event where they had to admit it something much bigger than this drone thing

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Well in some respects there has been I remember I interviewed this guy Nick Pope with the MOD years ago

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And I was like this is a time when we were pushing for transparency their France was was releasing previously class by documents on

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UFOs

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Lizzo v. Nia's they'd say

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And the MOD followed suit there were releasing previously classified documents slowly putting it out there and at the time was rather exciting

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I just did a big event at the National Prosecule with Leslie Kane and

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And it was like this whole move and it was like oh my god. It's happening right but

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It it kind of peed it out a little bit and I remember asking this guy that used to work the UFO desk at the MOD

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Nick Pope and I said Nick do you anticipate this any type of disclosure? This is like 2009 or something

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2008 2009 and he goes

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James no he goes it's going to be disclosed with a small D

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Not a big D. It's going to trickle out slowly the condition people get people paired test the waters

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You know one of the things that we explore in the program and I'd never done that is the politics of disclosure

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It's a far more complex. Let's just

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Suspend judgment from moment and assume that it's real okay that there really is an NHI and on human intelligence

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Aspect to the phenomenon right. Let's just to death. That's real now. How do you disclose that to the general public?

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What about the impacts on organized religion? What about the impacts on financial institutions? What about

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The fact that we'd have to confess that we don't have full control over this. I mean

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Those are real considerations and it's not just the United States right? This involves the planet. This involves all the humanity

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I wanted to ask you about this. Do you see him saying like yeah? Oh, I do I don't know what I totally understand more complex than you think

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Oh, I totally get that. How does Russia handle these things? How does China handle these things? Well, I

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There was a case in China that happened in 1994 right around the time of Ruiz and Bobwei also in 1994 called Meng Zhao gua

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and I happened in the black mountains and it was

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Alainine alleged contact close to kind of the third kind

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It's funny because it happened right at the same time of Africa similar messages that was conveyed

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I went to China. I met with an active general in uniform talked openly about the UFO phenomenon

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They were pretty open. I went to

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Russia in the late 90s and that was right before Putin

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It was right around the time when Putin was coming in and that was a period of openness and I went to star city Russia

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I interviewed a cosmonaut pop-up of itch

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The number of generals and they were very open about it in fact. They said to me at the time if you're here

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To discuss whether or not the UFO phenomenon is real the doors right over there

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We're here to create an international coalition an international exchange of information and to talk about the implications of the phenomenon

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Which I thought was amazing. This is like 25 years ago, right? So now I don't know things have changed since Putin's been in office

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But that was back in the late 90s. I mean, they've been congressional hearings in Brazil. There's been a there's been an effort

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I mean shit. They had they had hearings back in 1978 at the United Nations at least beagle put on

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You know, so there's been an ongoing effort for this stuff to come out

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I just think it's different this time to me. It feels like they're not gonna

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There's too much there's too much momentum behind it at this point and there's so much legislation that's written

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It's too much that's come out and it's too important look

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Whether you believe it or you don't believe it if you can just imagine for a moment if it is true

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And if the US government does in fact have irrefutable evidence that we're not alone in the universe

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That's so significant that we all have a right to that information and that we should continue to support this

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Unprecedented push for transparency with our elected officials and get to the fucking bottom of it

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Not everybody agrees right? Yeah, I think everybody agrees

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The general public no one's gonna disagree with you about that

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Yeah, and then new administrations coming in there's you know, there's Ratcliffe and Rubio

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I'm telling you Rubio knows a lot. I know that how do you know?

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Because I've talked to people that have debriefed him and have been in the room with him during the first you haven't talked to him

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No, I have not no, I have not but I talked to people that were in the room when he was being briefed

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From first handers. I'm told that there were

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I'm gonna say right around 12

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first hand

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people that have that have had

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Behind closed doors meetings

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first-hand

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People that are concerned about their secrecy concerned about their safety concerned about the implications and the of them coming forward and

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You know going going public that they're not quite they don't quite have this comes from very good source of information

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That the witness protection program and the legislation that they've created around that is not quite there yet

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It's getting closer. They need to continue to work on that. You don't mean like witness protection program like

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whistleblowers they have whistleblower protection. I'm so sorry. I meant to say that. Yeah, whistleblower protection. It's not quite in place

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Um one of the things I really wanted to mention is that there is a gentleman a young man who's 30 and he feels like he's old

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His name is Jesse Michaels and he's got this new show called American Alchemy new a couple years old

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Why's he feeling old? Because you know in your 30 you feel like you're old really?

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Well, I did when I turned 30 I was like how I'm 30 because just 10 years earlier. I was almost 19 right or 11 years early

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I was 19 right you go for a teenager suddenly your 30 you always stick like 30 and I was talking to him not too long ago

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Jesse and I said he's like yeah, I feel a little old. I was like dude you are just getting into your prime

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Baby, this is rock and roll tub, but I really wanted to this is a guy who's young

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Julian Dory is also doing some amazing work on this and podcasts

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But he was young and he's doing a deep dive into the implications and

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Into he meets with aerospace engineers the guys he's a Jesse here a phenomenon keep rocking a roll

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I want to cut tip my hat to you. I don't know if you seeing this guy or not

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No, he's doing deep dives into what's happening. Maybe I'll he's documented it with these podcasts

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And he's doing a fantastic job and I just got to tip my hat to the guy because

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He's ten times more than all ever be and he's young and he's a force to be reckoned with and he's really doing

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He's answering all the questions that you and I are exploring all these issues that you and I were talking about

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Well, I'm glad as people out there pushing it and I'm glad this guys like Grosh that are sticking their neck out and guys like you who are making documentaries about it

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It's the subject is much more open to discussion like I was saying amongst serious people

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Yes, where it didn't used to be before and now I think with his drone thing

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I think there's so many people are going okay, okay, even if there are or they're China's or who what's going on?

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Yeah, why are there so many of them what what are the answers and why can't you tell us?

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Is it because they're searching for a new Jesus Christ? Maybe you should warn people we get the fuck out of here

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Yeah, is that really what's going on like

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If it's not what is going on and if it's not ours, what are they and how come you can't track them how come like what kind of

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Berser it doesn't even make sense. It's very very

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Makes sense when you think of the capabilities of the United States military

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It doesn't make any sense they can't figure out what's going on

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I think what Trump said is probably correct that the government knows

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They know what's happening and they don't want to tell people

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Whatever he could tell us why wouldn't he I don't think he knows yet

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Well, then you till it gets in office. Oh, he was he gave a speech about it at Mar-a-Long

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I saw that I saw that but did did did he say well, let's watch it. We'll watch it. Yeah

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Well, let's speech up because I'm wondering if he yeah, we'll we'll about to find out

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Yeah, essentially he was saying that he knows that the government knows what's going on and they're not telling us so that means they're not telling him

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So they're not telling him no, I don't I don't think until you get into office you're not the president, right?

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So he's the president elect. I don't know what kind of

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Clearances that he has yeah, I don't understand how that works. I'd be very curious to know what he knows right

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Especially with this like who do you even ask like who is the person that can lay out the information like which department

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Which which agents yeah, right? It seems like they're so compartmentalized

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Thank you good to see you good to see you

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The government the government knows what is happening

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Look

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Our military knows where they took off from

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If it's a garage they can go right into that garage they know where it came from and where it went

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And for some reason they don't want to comment

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And I think there'd be better off saying what it is our military knows and our our president knows our president knows

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And for some reason they want to keep people in suspense

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I can't imagine it's the enemy because it was the enemy that blasted out even if they were late that blasted

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Something strange is going on for some reason they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are really

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I mean they happen to be over bit mister

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They're very close to bed mister. I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in bed mister

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I've decided to cancel my trip

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Yeah, I think I won't spend the weekend in bed mister. Yeah, I mean

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I bet someone told him mr. President. It's pretty important that you don't go to the golf course

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Yeah, God that's so crazy. Yeah, um, so what does that mean? I gotta I gotta if you don't mind um

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There I was contacted. What is this?

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Do you want to switch subject? Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is all about exactly what we're talking about

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I just this is something that that I really need to put out there because it's very important

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Okay, and it's an unprecedented effort spearheaded by this woman Andrea who runs a number of communities on reddit

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And she said that they're banning together for the first time ever

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It's the biggest grassroots campaign for government transparency. This is happening

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On Friday the 20th of December at 3 p.m. Eastern time and this has the potential to reach

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millions and millions of people it's the most

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unprecedented

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event on reddit in history and I'll post all of the necessary information on x because this is a very grassroots effort

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And I'm re I'm what are they doing at james c fox on x formally notice twitter

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It's uh, they're the reddit community is banning together

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For a huge grassroots campaign for government transparency. So basically all the various platforms on reddit

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The paranormal UFO they're all they don't usually get along too well, but they're all

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Combining their resources and they're getting together for the first time ever and to push for government transparency

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There's a couple of government insiders that appear in my film that will be appearing on this to answer questions

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And what steps that need to be happening what's going on today and and this is happening on the 20th of December

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3 p.m. And I'll be posting more information the very specific details on x at james c fox

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I just wanted to get that out there before because well the more this stuff that happens the better the more people demanded the better

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more politicians here from the people and want to

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You know, I mean especially politicians that are up for reelection and they want to show that they're doing what the people want them to do

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Yeah, I

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I'd like to know more, but obviously I'm very happy that we're hearing much more about the subject in a serious way

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Yeah, you know, whatever the hell's going on. Yeah, well

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I I really encourage you to watch the program. I will 100 percent. I went bent over backwards to put together in and explain everything in layman terms

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What's happened from 2017 to today because it's it's unprecedented

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We're living in an unprecedented moment in history

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There's an unprecedented push for government transparency and I want to continue supporting our elected officials by partisan effort

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To get to the bottom of this and I especially want to throw a shot out to representative

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Birchette because you're you're killing it buddy. Thank you. Hey Jamie once you use chat gbt and ask chat gbt

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What's going on with the drones in New Jersey? That'd be very curious to hear about that. Yeah, it's a damn good idea and maybe then ask rock but

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I

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Ask chat gbt. What is really happening with the drones in New Jersey?

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I'll just see what chat you tell me how that works. I don't know. It's AI right and what is really happening?

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With the drones in New Jersey. Let's say

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So what does chat gbt say?

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Chat gbt's gonna search the web

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Oh, I'm so amazing numerous drones. I did been reported across New Jersey. No, they're these cars

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It's incredible how fast this is look how fast

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Look at this. This is incredible. They found no evidence suggesting threat to national security or public safety despite these

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Assurances some local officials and residents for main concern for instance belville mayor Michael Melham

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Speculated the increased drone activity might be related to search for missing radioactive material from the medical facility in New Jersey

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Additionally, the public figures like Bethany Frankl have shared unverified theories about the drones purposes

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Further fueling speculation the situation is evolving and authorities continue to monitor investigate new reports

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residents are advised to report any suspicious drone activity to local law enforcement avoid taking matters into their own hands like shooting them down people shoot them down

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So shoot them down to read the dogs

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To anything to shoot down drones as it could pose safety risks and violate laws

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Now ask chat gbt. Oh, let's just keep going with chat gbt for a little bit because you're asking it again

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ask chat gbt

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If I live in New Jersey should I get out of town

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Yeah, yeah if I live in New Jersey should I get

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Out of town should I evacuate? Yeah, I should evacuate. Let's say evacuate because get out of town is like a colopolism

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Should I evacuate

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Okay, this is amazing at this time is no official recommendation for residents in New Jersey

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Uh-huh follow official updates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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Okay

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As a precautionary measure are you sure are you sure?

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Sometimes you always have to ask a double

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No federal evacuation orders okay, it knows that there's no fact federal evacuation orders if you were gonna give me advice

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Would you tell me to leave these coast?

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Advice is fucked up

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There we go

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Based on the current information provided by trusted authorities. There's no evidence of an imminent threat

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, could you imagine put this in

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Could you imagine a scenario

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Where these drones are actually looking for a nuclear bomb

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And if so would you advise me as a preemptive measure

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To evacuate

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I type so much worse when people are watching. I'm so impressed at how well he's typing actually

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I really am while it's possible to imagine scenarios involving drone searching for dangerous materials such as a nuclear bomb

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There's no verified information suggesting such an extreme situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah

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So I how about this I think

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I type this in I was if I put it in rock and fun mode in my kid, but hold on a second, but try this is there a non-human intelligence

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I think

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The drones are looking for a nuclear bomb and I am going to leave New Jersey

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Where should I go

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Tell Montana how far away should I go? Oh, that's okay. If you leave New Jersey for our share measure

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Here's some suggestions for place to relocate temporarily

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Okay, so now we're getting better. So now it's saying go further away

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Wow

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Colorado consider scroll back to up so I could read that where it's a Colorado

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Consider Durango grand junction or areas outside of Denver. These are safe and equipped with modern infrastructure

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Telling you to move this is telling you to get away from big cities

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Tennessee the smokey mountain region and Gatlin burger Knoxville provides natural beauty lower cost of living and a sense of isolation

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They're telling you how to rebuild civilization

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Okay, if a nuke goes off

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Where to go if a nuke goes off on the east coast type this in Jamie if a nuke goes off on the east coast

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Where should I be to be safe?

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Oh my gosh

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If you're concerned about potential nuclear incident here's a list of safest options based on geographic environmental and strategic factors

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Montana

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Colorado

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Wyoming

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Idaho sparsely populated vast distances from major cities and military targets

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Towns like Bozeman Jackson Hole sandpoint are beautiful remote and away from the fallout paths

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Jesus Christ. I'm curious. What would happen if you asked

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chat gbt is it gpt gpt if

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What percentage of uap represented nonhuman intelligence? Okay, that's a good one

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What percentage

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of uap

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Represent a nonhuman intelligence

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Really curious I know

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Could represent nonhuman intelligence remains unknown and speculative current investigations by uap

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Orization like the u.s government and

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Emphasize the following most uap's of conventional explanations us project blue blue blue bullshit

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So I'll present five or 10% of uap cases remain under the divide even after thorough analysis these cases

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I was like

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Evidence in consistent with known human technology

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No conclusive evidence for nonhuman intelligence while some uap cases are public publishing the government has not officially

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okay

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Commander would type this in

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Commander David fraver

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You

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Encounter a tick-tock a tick-tack yeah

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tick-tack shaped craft in 2005

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What 2004 2003 2003 okay 2003 that defied

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Our understanding

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Of known physics

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Period what do you think he saw?

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Wow

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To the fore and crater with tick-tock shaped craft remains one of the most compelling and well-documented uap cases in modern history

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Key deal details the encounter craft is craft smooth white oblong resembling a tick-tock no visible propulsion wings or exhausts

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But extraordinary flight characteristics accelerated instantly from a hovering position descended from

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80,000 feet to near sea level in seconds fraver reported the object mimicked his movements during their engagement and then vanish that extreme speed

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It's possible the craft was an ultra-secret military project either u.s. based experimental aircraft aerospace technology or

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Developed by another nation however the extreme flight performance raises doubts such advanced technology

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Would suggest a significant leap beyond publicly known capabilities, which is inconsistent with current engineering limits

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Sensor anomaly or perception issues

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Nen yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I asked the heads of arrow okay, it could explain that one and they said no

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if

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Don't type this in

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Really good case if all

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accounts

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Of the capabilities of the tick-tock craft

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Our

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true

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What are the possibilities that it came from another planet

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You

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If the accounts to get craft capabilities are accurate instantaneous acceleration hypersonic speeds without the propulsion no heat

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Say it loud some people can hear you okay

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So if the accounts of the tick-tock's craft capabilities are accurate instantaneous acceleration hypersonic speeds without visible propulsion

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No heat signatures and defines of inertia then the possibly the possibilities of origin being extraterrestrial or from another planet become a viable hypothesis

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Here's why the physics of the tick-tock craft reported behavior the the craft suggests technology that operates beyond our current understanding of physics and propulsion systems

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No visible propulsion that implies propulsion system unrelated to conventional jets or rockets

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instantaneous acceleration defies inertia and Newtonian physics

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Achieving this would require manipulating gravity or space time itself

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Silent operation no sonic booms despite hypersonic speeds points to a technology that likely emanates eliminates air resistance such as surrounding itself in an

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Electromagnetic field or bubble this level of technological advancement far surpasses anything developed on earth if true

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Such capabilities would suggest a highly advanced civilization perhaps thousands or millions of years ahead of us scientifically

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If true, where do you think it came from and this was type that this was 20 years ago?

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I know but if true, where do you think it came from

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If it how about this it's still typing

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Spine final thoughts look at this right in a whole turn paper. Yeah, it's amazing how fast it doesn't too

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It's amazing how fast it does wow the tick-tock if the tick-tock UAP is real and the accounts are accurate

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Then its origin may very well be extraterrestrial or involve unknown physics and technology that we haven't begun to comprehend

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The extraordinary nature of the case suggests an equally extraordinary explanation

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What do you think why you asking me bitch? You're trapped. She be what are you this extra?

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Visitation seem plausible or is there another explanation that resonates more with you so type this I believe

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It seems plausible

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That they are extraterrestrial in nature

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Good luck. I was gonna say it's good if true comma if true

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Where do you think they came from?

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What's it?

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Identifying where they might come from involves exploring nearby stellar systems known exoplanets and plausible scientific

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Ideas about interstellar travel here are the most likely possibilities nearby star systems with habitable zones

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Alpha Centaur system 4.37 light years away the closest star system to earth proximate centauri

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Potentially habitable planet exoplanet

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Orbitating proximate centaur within the habitable zone if life developed there might be technologically advanced enough for interstellar

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Exploration Bernard so it's giving me a list of all the potential possibilities possible star systems. This one's only 39 light years away

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What was the close to what office?

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Alpha Centauri was that was that to four light years or something? I don't know scroll back up scroll back up a little bit

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3.9

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3.4.3 alpha Centauri 4.3 light years away. Wow, but here's the crazy part pretty close

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You remember the remember the twin paradox theory

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They say that if you get like two twins

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Right as kids say once ten they're both ten right and you put one in a spaceship that travels a speed of light for one year

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He would come back with an atomic clock on board that spacecraft a year old or cb 11 and his brother would be an old man

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I can't wrap my mind around that right, but that's they say it's pretty much fact, but that's speed

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Right, I think what we're talking about is different than speed

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I think it's instantaneous instantaneous relocation right so I think it's staying yeah

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I think instead of like the space I'm between the two points right

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So I think the idea is that instead of a rocket that goes you know five million miles an hour just shoots off of earth and keeps going until

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You know five million years from now. Yeah, it runs into this planet. I think it's different than that. I think what

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if I had to guess

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Where something can manipulate gravity and space what it would do is instantaneously

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appear in these new places

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Like you talked to a lot of physicists about this kind of stuff

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Uh, I have and the way they explained it is baffling and bobbler's

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version of it is baffling because bobbler's ours version of it that he told in 1989

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kind of

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makes sense

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When you

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Talk to people that are trying to develop some sort of a gravity or warp drive right and the way bobbas are explained it is that

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This element when bebar did with radiation creates this

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I'm really butchering it for sure

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create some sort of a

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Gravity field that allows it the way described it like

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If you took a mattress a very soft mattress and put a very heavy bowling ball in the middle of the mattress

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It pushes the mattress down to that area and that this like folds time right

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So you go from here here, but when you stretch it down suddenly those two points connect it folds it

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Yeah, right and so wherever it is it's here. So it's not like it's going

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A million light years so it's a million light years an hour. Yeah spaces melable exactly. It's just

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Well, it makes sense if if you think about how technology scales

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And if we do I mean Ryan brought up this yesterday as well that there was research and there was papers written about

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The idea of having some sort of a gravity drive or having some sort of a gravity propulsion system something that doesn't rely on

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conventional

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You know rockets yeah, we're not gonna get it you know back for sure exactly and he said that this was something that was discussed a long time ago

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But then it just stopped then you know when we brought it up

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A long oh quite a while ago. There was an episode that we brought up a paper that was written in the 1960s

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About gravity drives was that by hell put off? I do not know because he's like a propulsion

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Expert in terms of the propulsion behind the physics behind UFOs. Yeah, and he tried to I tried to get him to explain it to me in sort of conventional

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Layman terms and of course my tiny little brain

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But he I felt like I almost grasped it for a moment

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But the time the amount of power that it would take to create that gravitational field around the object

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And he said that's why you see them doing these maneuvers that look like a defy physics right and then everything inside the craft would just splatter

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That you're immune from that on the inside according which also would make sense

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No, this is what am I talking about right, but that would also make sense if you had something like that that you could go in the ocean as well

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Right, yeah, so because whatever's around you wouldn't matter because you're not affected by it

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Right, you somehow create in a field or exactly. It's that's that's immune to whatever right

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Well, that would be the only thing it would make sense where how it could move so fast underwater at his fear space water

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And how it would be transmedium. Yeah, you can go from space into the water

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It's unaffected by gravity. It's unaffected by all the things around it creates its own gravity field

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And it allows it to just pass through things. I remember

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Kirk McConnell who sent an armed service committee who investigated UFOs from 2017 and talked about earlier

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But he said that they were picking up ages radar systems were picking these objects up from basically from space

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And they were shooting down from space all the way down

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They'd loiter for as long as they wanted to go in the water come back out again shoot back up into space and they would just do it like

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You know all day long and there was nothing

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Well, we can't see that right

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And I don't know what they're someone does have I mean if there's someone in the military that does have some like super advanced satellite

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reconnaissance imagery of these things

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um

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I could see why they would hold that back. I could see why they would think that people aren't ready for that

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I could see it. Do you think Elon knows

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He's real cagey about it. He is cagey about it. He's got deals with the DOD and he's got satellite everything

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It's probably why I'd be cagey about it too. He knows more than what he's saying. This is what he said. If aliens are real they're very subtle

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That's what he was saying. I was like, I don't know if they're subtle man. The Phoenix lights wasn't that subtle

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That's aliens. I heard from some people around him that that because of his contracts with DOD that he kind of keeps quiet about it because

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I'm sure everybody talks about I mean even Ratcliffe talked about the satellite imagery from of UAP

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I mean if they're picking it up, why wouldn't his systems pick it up?

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He hasn't said a peep about the drone thing and you haven't asked him about it. No

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If you want to tell me he'll tell me I'm not gonna be that guy. I'm not gonna be annoying

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But publicly like on X has he said anything about the drones?

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Said something a couple weeks ago

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I believe they think it was a couple weeks ago. I'll check right now

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But it's like these are big drones storm or a big drone fight coming and people are taking that as like he knew this was happening

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Hmm a big drone fight coming

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Well, you know, he's

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Been real public about the idea that building man fighter jets is at this point kind of foolish

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You know, and he's I think he's correct

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You know the unpilot is only yeah, I mean I think the fun out of it

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Well, it takes the biological mistakes out of it is what it does right it takes the human mind out the human mind is very fallible

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You know, we already know that AI systems like Mike Baker explained to us that AI systems with fighter jets beat actual fighter jet pilots

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100% of the time so when they have the simulated yes when they have these simulated dog fights

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When they take AI fighter jets that we have right now they beat our fighter jet pilots the best of the best

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100% of the time

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So they don't have any biological limitations in terms of what what they'll stay in right? Yeah, don't you say you have that right

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So all you have to do is make the equipment and the materials

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Robust enough so they can take insane speeds and not below a part

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But it certainly would be way easier to do that than it would be to get a human being to be safe in it so much less bad

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As though recently so what is he saying? Oh, so he clicked on it future wars are all about drones and hypersonic jets

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So this is what us talking about that. This is us talking about

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fighter jet pilots by humans will be destroyed very quickly

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So he talked about it and so he put a clip up of us talking about it on the podcast. This is in November

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November 28th and so

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Neither side is airspirion tanks are easily destroyed by missiles so that leaves infantry and artillery basically world war one

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drones are not yet available in sufficient numbers to matter much like aircraft and world war one a defense in depth

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trench war means and then some modern example

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Those like two years ago. So did you get the impression when you spoke to Elon about UFOs that he knew more than he was telling you

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You said he's cagey. Yeah, it doesn't he doesn't even entertain the idea of UFOs

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So if you bring up the framer's incident, he'll just say no it didn't happen or I that doesn't seem interested

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I don't know. I mean I would imagine what you're saying is true that it's not wise for him to discuss it

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That's what I would imagine yeah, if you want to tell me he'll tell me and if you want me to tell no one

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I'll tell no one yeah, if you want to tell me and say don't tell anybody. I'll I won't tell anybody

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But I'm not gonna ask him. I think his position as you know being the guy at space X. Yeah, why would you fuck around with that?

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He's got too much to stake. Yeah, it's way too much to stake also like

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If anybody's gonna find out he's gonna find out if there's something going on or something legitimately going on

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The guy who can catch rockets with a crane. That's the guy. He's gonna know. I thought the first time I saw that

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I was like AI generators. I was like I was watching the thing come down and I just thought that's the ones that land before that

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Those are insane and now you can catch them. They don't even have to land

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It's nuts like what he's done is just accelerate

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What we are capable of doing far beyond what NASA was able to do just a few years ago. So I

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I used to have a neighbor that worked for Elon Musk and he drove a Tesla way early way early on when their Tesla's weren't

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You know that many out there and I was like, well, you got a Tesla is a gas you work for Elon Musk

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I saw him a couple years later and I was like hey, you know, don't test anymore. He goes

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No, he goes I I don't work for Elon anymore. I was like oh, I'm sorry to hear that what happened he goes

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He goes well, he's he works so hard and his expectations are so high

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He goes I was at the hospital with my wife giving as she was giving birth to our first child and Elon's like I need you in the office

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Oh Jesus

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He said he goes I could I you know guys got an incredible worth I think work ethic, but it was too much

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He goes I'm at the hospital is I don't care where you're like just

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Like pretty fiddle that's brutal wasn't he sleeping in the he was sleeping in the short

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Yeah, he's sleeping in working 16 hours a day and sleeping on the floor. Wow. Yeah, that's commitment

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Well, he demands out of other people too, and you know, maybe you want that and maybe you don't and if you don't you can't work there

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It's just that simple like if you want that

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Hop on in if you're a single guy and you don't have a wife. You don't have children

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But if you do boy, that's not a life for that's not life for me. I don't know what that job

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I think the closest thing to a spaceship on wheels is a Tesla. Oh, they're amazing pretty remarkable

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I've had three of them. This is my third the acceleration is incredible. It's incredible. It's like a gut punch

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Yeah, I mean they're getting better. They're getting the autonomous driving is incredible now

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I remember what somebody said to me. They're like, you know, step on it

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You know show me the acceleration and I I stepped on it a model three performance

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I

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And seems fake. I got nauseous. Yeah, I wasn't quite ready. I wasn't like I turned myself a little sideways or something

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I I felt nauseous

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So I was like wow, I'm all right motorcycles. I would do all this stuff

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You know, but I was like now I prepare myself for that. That's really fast. That's super bike fast

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It's crazy fast and it can actually the beautiful thing is you can merge on the highway

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You don't seem like a douchebag because you're not like

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Baaaaah! It's not like really loud. It's just super quiet. It's all quiet. It's all quiet. It's slt

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Delty

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Yeah, it's all sometimes going a hundred miles an hour. What happened? Yeah. I remember I got to take it years ago on a motorcycle

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The guy that bought the bike was had a loud exhaust pipe which I ended up getting rid of

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I didn't like the loud exhaust pipe too loud and I got pulled over in the cop and never even saw me

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He just heard me and he wrote me up exactly how fast I was going. He's like you're doing 90 to 35

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I'm like I was he's like, oh, yeah, I could hear you

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I was like

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I went through the gears and I put it quite.

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So yeah, that's quite as nice.

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Quite has its benefits.

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And it does in a motorcycle though.

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You want to be out to people on the tube.

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That's true.

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I drive like the invisible man when I'm on a motorcycle.

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You have to.

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I've had people look me right in the eyes

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and they pulled right out in front of me.

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People want to.

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People on the sides wiped.

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And also people are like,

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they don't, how many people are medicated?

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I don't think they see you as a threat.

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I think they see you as like,

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you're almost like a nat or something.

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I've learned and I tell people that ride more

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because I've been riding bikes for 50 years.

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As soon as you get on that bike,

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you become the invisible man, right?

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Pretend no one gets.

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Pretend that no one can see you live a lot longer.

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You can make eye contact with somebody.

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Doesn't mean they see you.

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I've had people pull out in front of me.

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Like I said, I've been T-boneed

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and all kinds of crazy accents over the years.

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I wish they weren't so dangerous

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because I would love to drive one.

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Oh, they're amazing.

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I know you just had to be like I said, you just,

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you know, until you're not.

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I had three friends.

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I was getting my motorcycle license.

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So I was doing, it was a while ago.

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10 years ago.

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So it was a couple of us that worked on Fear Fractor,

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a couple of the guys that worked on a set.

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We all decided to go and take lessons together

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and shout out to Peter Hirschko.

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And he wound up getting his motorcycle.

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He kept driving it.

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But one of the guys we worked with,

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he crashed his bike and fucked up his shoulder.

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And then one of the guys who was fighting for the UFC,

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Frank Meer, he got hit by a car.

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He got T-boneed and ran into his femur, snapped his femur,

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and he almost lost his leg.

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And it fucked up his career for years.

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So there was that.

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And then I saw a guy on the highway

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that was covered in a blanket.

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Oh, God.

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Yeah, he was alive.

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But his leg was so fucked up that they covered

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in a blanket so that pass or buys wouldn't rubber neck it.

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There's three of those.

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And then another friend of mine saw someone get hit.

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Saw someone get rear-ended.

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Someone not paying attention to their car.

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Rear-ended to the bike and had the guy flying

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through the air at a red light.

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So that was enough for me.

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Yeah, I know I became a dad

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and I had two motorcycles right before I became a dad

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and I sold them.

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And then after 10 years I was like,

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maybe I can get just like a dirt bike?

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Are they really enjoying riding?

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Nothing like it.

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Be it on a motorcycle.

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Imagine if you get a dirt bike and then a mountain line

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takes you out.

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God damn it.

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I have a dirt bike with a motor.

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Yeah, but even with a motor.

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I don't know if a mountain line would be scared of a motor.

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Yeah, I'd be able to out-road it.

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Yeah, the most of the time they get bicyclers.

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Yeah, most of the time they kill bicyclers.

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It's nuts.

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Yeah.

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So let me ask your honest opinion.

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I know we're wrapping up here.

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Okay.

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If you had to say whether you believed or you didn't believe,

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look, you can't make any definitive statements.

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I get that.

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But you're a very influential individual

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who's done more for the push for disclosure.

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I think using the word disclosure,

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it's got a bit of a buzz, a bit of a connection to it.

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A push for government transparency on this topic, right?

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If you had to say something truly inexplicable

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that most likely would lead to NHI or non-human intelligence

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or not conventional, what would you pick?

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Ultimately that you think there is possibly

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a non-human intelligence behind this

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or that there is not.

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I wish I could be definitive like that.

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I know you can't be definitive.

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I don't.

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I try to stay as open-minded on this as possible,

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which means I fluctuate back and forth

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to fully believe from fully believing,

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it's a military experiment and it's a bunch of our stuff.

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But then there's stories like the things like the TickTack

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and where you go, okay, 2004?

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How?

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How could they do that in 2004?

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Is there a propulsion system available in 2004

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that's that far advanced?

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And if so, how come there's so little evidence of it

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in a practical use?

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Like how come that technology,

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you would think that technology would take so much money

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to develop that you would do something with it in 20 years.

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You wouldn't just have it and just be flying it around

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like a drone every now and again.

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It would seem like there would be some sort of a practical

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application for something like that.

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And it would seem like the Manhattan Project

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and like the Stealth Bomber.

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Eventually you find out that it's a real thing, right?

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So 20 years along to time to not find out

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that something's real.

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Well, how about if you take it up to a lot longer than that?

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What about the 1952 consecutive weekends in July

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over the White House and the Capitol?

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And that was, we had a press conference about that before.

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I mean, in general that basically admit that they're real.

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That's Arnold, you know,

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the 40 seven, that was phenomenal, yeah.

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And then you gotta go to the Bhagavad Gita, you know?

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Like there's stories of things.

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The historical stuff's incredible, isn't it?

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Like think of the guy that showed up with the blue skin.

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Is that an angel?

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Is that a devil?

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What if you were living 4,000 years ago,

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you're one of the people that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?

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He'd be a god.

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What is that?

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What is that visitation that you've experienced?

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With a craft, it would be connected with a god, right?

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Right. And also the story, when you tell the story,

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like what is this, and then someone illustrates it?

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What does it even, how does it even relay in words?

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Especially you're using the words of 4,000 years ago?

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What are you describing?

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And if they really have always been here

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and they've always been visiting us,

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that's probably how you would describe it.

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You would describe it like a Zeke you did in the Bible.

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Yeah, well, you know, I was in Africa

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investigating the alleged landing

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and closing kind of the third kind

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at Ruiz and Babui Aerial School in 1994.

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I wasn't there in 1994, I was there much later.

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And the teacher, Judy Bates, who's now the head principal,

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and she was sharing with me these drawings

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that children did of the alleged creatures.

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And they were amazing, these drawings, big eyes,

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and big heads, almond-shaped eyes, blah, blah, blah.

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And I'm looking at these drawings, one after the other,

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from all these school children, it was phenomenal.

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She gave, no, I took photographs of them.

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And then a month later, I went to Australia

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and I was investigating an alleged landing

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at Habitat Westall Primary School in 1966.

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And that was incredible, I was there investigating,

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and I was showing some of the drawings of the aliens

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and the alleged aliens, and I just had investigated in Africa.

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And some of the people were like, oh, wow,

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these drawings are amazing.

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They look like the Wenzhena cave art.

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I was like, what?

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The Wenzhena cave art, the aboriginals drew these things

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and so they pulled it up.

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Wenzhena, and the parallel, they're thousands of years old,

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these cave paintings in Australia.

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The parallels that consistencies,

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it was the comparison of the two,

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it was like, let's take a look at those real quick.

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Yeah, look at Wenzhena.

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Wenzhena, before we leave.

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Cave painting, UFO or alien, Wenzhena.

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There's most likely something there.

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I just don't know, and if it's a thing,

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so let's say if it's a real thing,

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is it from another planet, or is it more complicated than that?

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Is it more complicated than that?

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Yeah, well that's chocolate.

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See that?

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Yeah, very bizarre.

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Right, I mean look at that one right there with the dark eyes.

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Look at the three of them,

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and that the one in the center, Jamie, yeah, that one.

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Look how weird that is, man.

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That's so fucking weird.

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Look at the one with the dark black eyes right there.

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Pale they are too.

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It's like, yeah, it's very weird.

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And then there's that one with the big,

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with the big dark eyes right,

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down, just go straight down, up, down, yeah, right,

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to the right, right there.

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Look at that.

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Very weird, very weird.

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And it's also very weird how this is 4,000 years old,

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and then close encounters of the third kind

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in the 1970s, that's the same.

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4,000 years old.

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And I'm telling you, I could show you the drawings.

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One of the witnesses, very weird.

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Yeah, it's just phenomenal.

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Listen man, thank you for everything.

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Thanks for what you do.

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Thank you so much for having me on.

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My pleasure.

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And you mean you're fucking dog of determination

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to get this stuff out there.

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It's very important.

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You promise you'll watch the program.

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I will 100% watch it.

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Definitely.

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Definitely.

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I will.

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Thank you, sir.

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Awesome brother.

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Appreciate it.

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Appreciate it.

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Thanks James.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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It's on Amazon, the program.

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And then, moment of contact is probably

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available everywhere.

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Yeah, and the phenomenon.

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Yeah.

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I know what I saw out of the blue.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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50 years of denial.

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Oh my god, it goes back.

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Yeah, you've been deep in this rabbit hole

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for a long time, sir.

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Thanks James.

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I appreciate you very much.

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