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Damn near punnid Ollie through not Ollie the dukes through the window by accident
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I thought I was a bag. I was about to throw that
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Like I did not feel functioning
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I almost went to my bed like oh yeah
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All right, well it is great to have you back
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It's been a couple years since you and I recorded those two podcasts when you had a moment of contact out
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Yes, and or mo I would say a moment of contact. It's moment of contact. That's way better
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Yes, but obviously since then there has been a lot going on in your life personally
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And you have been making a brand new documentary in the process that has now come out
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I think like a month ago, but doing a podcast tour and all that there's a lot to unpack from that film the program
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The link will be down in the description of that as well
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But you have brought here today Mr. Jason Sands as well. Yes, who was featured in the documentary and has been in the middle of like
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The internet controversy around some of the things that you have come out publicly
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I believe in April and then extensively through the documentary so we will get into all that today
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But it's great to have you back sir up in the ocean now
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Thanks for having me back on I I wonder I want to say is that we can get in this later
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Mr. Sands an opportunity to provide some defense
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You know, provide some of his credentials his military records things of that nature
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Because I am the one that accidentally ousted his name. He actually wasn't intending to come forward publicly
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So I owe that to him an opportunity and and because of my mistake
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He's had to you know face some of the consequences and it's been rough for him and
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And you know he's I've called him up. What are you talking about you sound like a crazy guy?
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Please stop, you know, but but I do want to I'm I'm excited to have this opportunity to let him at least have a voice and and speak a little bit about
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You know his his background and what it's experienced, but we can get in that later
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Absolutely, we have the military records here and everything so we'll we'll get through all that we'll go through your whole story
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But as far as the the program goes first of all great documentary as always you did a great job
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But this is something we had talked about this when you were here with us last like you were in the process of making it
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But what made you decide like after doing moment of contact?
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Which is a specific case down in Brazil?
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What made you decide to come up and really go straight into DC and and try to focus on the government angle more than anything with
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the U.S.P. phenomenon
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Well, I think it was kind of a natural progression when I did the phenomenon right there was some discussion of crash retrieval
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There was Roswell and there was hint
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sprinkled throughout a couple of hints one of which was when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
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admitted on camera during my sit-down interview with him that what had been released
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New York Times article revealing the secret Pentagon UFO program and some of the tapes that have walked out of the Pentagon was merely the tip of the iceberg
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That was a very profound and big
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significant statement by the former Senate Majority Leader. I mean, it was a household name, right?
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What I did moment of contact that was I in my opinion and I could be wrong I
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Think it may be a little bit ahead of its time because I remember people calling me going
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James you just you have this unprecedented level of access within tell folks
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Senator Harry Reid or just publicly endorsed your movie that you feature close encounters of the third kind in you've really been pushed in the envelope
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You've got a level of acceptance and and access that you're quite honestly going to jeopardize by reporting on this alleged UFO
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Crash case in Virginia, Brazil where these live aliens are walking around the town being captured
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You're gonna sound like a nutcase and people are gonna say up the doses of the medication that you're not on, right?
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probably rightfully so
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Reek you know honestly so they were like are you sure this is what you want to do?
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And I was like, you know what I've been I totally understand that position because I was there I
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Remember when I was investigating what I was I was mapping out my second to me repeat that my second
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UFO documentary turned out to be out of the blue I never have a title for things when I first get started on them and I had a partner
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Tim Coleman and it was probably
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1999 maybe 2000 probably
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1999 and we were mapping out the film like a concept idea as a new broad brush strokes
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It's like oh, we want to focus on bent waters and let's let's let's revisit this amazing case
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March 13th that massive flyover and then he he goes oh, yeah, mate. There's this bloody amazing case it takes place in
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In Brazil with these live aliens and this UFO crash and they're walking through the bloody town and I'm thinking to myself
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That's Charlie and it's always sunny. I'm through the town
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Not kidding. I literally said to myself. It's right. I said to myself. Oh
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My god, I got to pick a new partner. I just this guy's this guy's lost his
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I'm not kidding you. I was like oh my god. I made a dreadful mistake
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And I thought to myself I'm not gonna give this case one second of my time, okay?
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Because come on man. I tell tall tail UFO crash live aliens. Are you kidding me?
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Multiple live aliens. How could the whole world not know about it? This is impossible. There's an utter and complete waste of time. No
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22 years later 23 years later. I finished the movie Tim was living in Egypt and he reached out to me
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I hadn't heard from him in a while he goes bloody well, mate
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You just made a film about that entire case and I told you about in the late 90s what the bloody hell
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And I said he goes you didn't believe me and you thought I was buddy crazy and I was like yes, I did and
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And I'm gonna give you a special thanks credit. So I did I gave him a special thanks credit
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But it's not funny. It was like so anyway
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Because people asked me I was like well, how did you get into the program?
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It's like well, I never anticipated when I made
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Moment of contact about a crash retrieval program, which I found out very late in the game that the United States government was involved
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Because with with Virginia. Yeah, I kind of heard like rumblings of it
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But while we were there the last time and practically was there with us unless he was producing the dark
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He was down there in the city. He was down there in the trenches. We almost got shot in the face
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Yes, and he filmed that he did and also you had the best haircut of all time
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Greatest thing I've ever seen so when you're watching moment of contact and you see the deal with the clipboard
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I had or whatever that's a lot. Yeah, yeah, and
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That was probably there were there were two times when I had my life threatened in production one was when I
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Was releasing photographs that were given to me about the fishing community when I did a film on the BP oil spill
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And they were using unprecedented amounts of corrects it and the guy head of fisheries at
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Gave me these these these images that quite frankly we're gonna devastate his community
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But he was like I can't in good faith let the general public not know about what's going on because the poison and he said
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You were real my identity boy. I'll punch you down the slit your throat
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Do we have an understanding I swear to God he said that to me. I was like I believe you. Yes, sir. We do
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In the second time was when they never go
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It was like Alabama. He's like we're gonna hold you down to slay your throat
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We definitely have on setting
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Guys before we go on here. I want to make sure you know
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This is the first of two episodes that are coming with James and Jason the second episode is coming Friday at 12 p.m
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Eastern after this video was put out so two days after this one and essentially this first one is an hour and a half covering the program and
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Giving a little bit of color commentary background on Jason and the second one is gonna be almost three hours with James and Jason
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Where we go through Jason's entire life story from childhood on I had announced this on social media over the weekend over on X
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But I know you guys on YouTube didn't know that's one to make sure you knew another episode was coming if you want to check it out before it drops
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It is available on patreon right now link in my description back to the episode
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So so anyway, then the next time of course
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I didn't I didn't I don't speak Portuguese. I mean now I can extract some words
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But not in that moment when we confront the alleged driver Eric Lopes and it's at his home
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Which I found out all the best hardcore
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Brazilian researchers one of which would pack the gun everywhere he went
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Pack a chain he was like you went to his house are you out of your mind?
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No, but none of us would go to his house. It's like well nobody told me that and this is one of the witnesses to be clear
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This is one of the witnesses that allegedly was driving the car during the second capture of a live alien. Yes
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Wow, God even sounds crazy. I know it does sound crazy. I know anyway, so my point is this I
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Could have never in a hundred million years
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After all the pushback I got when I said I was going to make this documentary on on this alleged crash case that happened in 1996 in
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There was going to be an open congressional hearing with a bipartisan group of lawmakers
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Listening to the testimony of a gentleman high intelligence officer under oath
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Saying that there's a crash retrieval program because I found out the Americans involvement again
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I'd heard little rumblings of it over the 12-year period, but the most
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compelling aspect was that the flight control officer came forward publicly on camera in a podcast saying I saw Usaf
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And I was like, who's that you know, I say it's your force playing coming in without Brazilian government authorization
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That's you and he was not supposed to let the thing land and he
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And then a high-level government off. This is what he says on camera. It's guy Mark on right thing his name
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But and when you're with the like the police department you're with the military in Brazil
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If you're with the fire department you with the military in Brazil your air control flight control officer
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You're with the military in Brazil, right?
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So this guy sees his plane coming in. He's like they don't have authorization
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I'm not supposed to let this plane land. It's Usaf air United States Air Force
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January 20th 1996 coming into Campinas. It was going to land in South Powell
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Then it stepped in and it diverted went to campiness
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In a military officer. I know it's funny campiness
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But right Virginia number of times they said that in
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No, 139 before like I feel like a same penis every time
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So I know I know it sounds silly but but anyway
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He said that a higher level military officer came in and let the plane land plane landed
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I was sure it was one helicopter or two helicopters went over to Virginia
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Lotus and stuff on came back loaded the plane
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Boo back to the United States. I was like oh wow that really solidifies my belief that the Americans were involved
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So now it's personal right so when I'm starting an investigation
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I was already gonna go to DC and start asking questions but
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David Grush opened the door for me. Yeah, like it was wide open now
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I'm damn straight and assholes question because I came to that conclusion not because he said it but because
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My boots on the ground and it which is what I think is the best case in modern history because most of the people are still alive
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Yeah, but it was really cool to see this like as your friend in real time because you went down to DC
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Pregrosch you were there in like February 23 getting initial interviews and things like that
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And then it's almost like this movie you were working on the stage of life set perfectly
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Like you get all this now unbelievable. I know little bit of define intervention could have never and not only that
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But who could have possibly have staged or orchestrated a drone invasion a UAP invasion to coincide with the release of my movie?
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Yeah, people are calling me going. What kind of budget you had? Thank you. She's ready to do that much appreciated
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You know I had people call me going how do you orchestrate a drone invasion?
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I actually you know James a little side note here. I just don't want to get
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This lost in the picture because you're such a humble guy and you've only said like a little bit publicly
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But obviously us all talking a less you and me behind the scenes over the last couple years
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We were aware of some of the things you were dealing with from a production standpoint to get this done
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But for people out there who want some details now that it is behind you despite everything you all said to give up as well
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What what what went down there because this this last documentary moment of contact
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You came on my podcast it really exploded and then Joe Rogan had you on and it went to yeah a whole different
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The probably remain nameless
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Whatever you can look that stuff up
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We're gonna take the bad out later
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So so they got perch they got they got acquired by a larger company and
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The larger company stopped paying royalties or first they were really late then they got later
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And I was getting really nervous, you know, I was like, you know, oh, there's gonna be fine
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Don't worry, you know, it's a trend. We're just we're transferring all the stuff over and there's a little transition period
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And it's a little bit of a hiccup and everything's gonna iron itself out everything's gonna be fine. Well, I didn't feel that way
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So that starts happening and I rely and they had directly or indirectly all my movies distributed through this company
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Distribution company all of them right? So I had the phenomenon. I had moment of contact out of the blue
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Fidios denial they were
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Through indirectly through another individual, but in any case
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So this starts happening and while I'm trying to get interviews on the hill paralleling this disaster nightmare
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I'm trying to get interviews on the hill and I'm literally having to send
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Photos of production stills of me making the phenomenon because
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Staff members of congress. We're going no way on a second this person said they made the phenomenon who what
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I'm like no, I made the phenomenon. What are you talking about this guy said what
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And they're like yeah, well he already came through and interviewed but I was like no I and I was sending
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Literally production stills and then there were all these military folks intel folks that were
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Told not to meet with me to meet with this other individual who will remain nameless
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This is going on. So I'm getting blocked. I'm getting all the my financial
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Like support all my finances completely devastated and then paralleling that
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I'm getting someone who's claiming responsibility for having done the phenomenon
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Who's in the process of getting all these interviews on the hill and I'm having to explain who the hell I am
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Well, thank god Christopher Mellon stepped in and started straightening that the truth out
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No, James made the phenomenon. We love the melon family. Yeah, I always gonna straighten it out
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Well, Chris Mellon really stepped up the plate for me and I was really grateful for it to having him to do that
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So he was telling people know James made it and then all these intel folks that were
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Um, that were told not to meet with me. It was just a nightmare
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I just thought it felt like I was being extinguished. I mean, I just was like I remember
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Staring at the ceiling to the level of stress. I'm seeing the sales report come in and rather remind you
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I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars making every movie right so I'm always majorly in debt when I finish a movie and
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And I'm seeing all these sales reports coming in. I'm not getting paid and I'm not getting paid
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I'm not getting paid now I'm borrowing money to sue the company
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And I'm trying to make this film and I remember
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Like staring at the ceiling. I'm not kidding. This was so devastating
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And I'm staring at the ceiling trying to go to sleep at night. I'm drinking a whiskey just to like calm my nerves
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And I'd fall asleep and I'd wake up at like four o'clock in the morning and I was like oh my god
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I had the worst nightmare
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God thank god. That was it. Oh my god
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No, and then I slowly wake up and this was happening week after week and the problem is is like
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I didn't have any end insight. There was no resolution inside. I didn't know how it was gonna play out right
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So I actually called a buddy of mine and I borrowed $50,000 from him so I could sue the company
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I was just trying to go through all the different, you know, I didn't know what to do and
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Finally, the lawyer and this went on for so many months. I won't bore your audience with the details
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But finally this lawyer buddy my buddy Jesse calls me and he goes look bro
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I'd like to continue taking your money, but I'm just telling you where this is headed
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I'm looking at their financials and this is not going in the right direction
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What's gonna happen is they're about to declare bankruptcy and then your assets which are their assets are now going to be in the hands of another company that you have no leverage with
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And you're lower on the total poll and now you're only not only gonna owe me a bunch of money
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You're never gonna get that money that owe you which is lottery money, right and
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I hate to say this James, but I'm just gonna give you the best advice play the take play the game on the board
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Not the one in your head. It's good lawyer take take take take this deal sign off
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All you'll never gonna get this money again. I need you to respond via email that you understand that you will never ever get this money
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It's gone forever. I have to get this distribution company to send their legal department has to send all the various platforms
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A legal letter to pull them down. You think if they start pay if they stop paying me that it automatically the rights were revert back to nothing
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No, no every month I'm watching those sales reports and they're going in the in the in the pocket of a billionaire
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Oh god the level of frustration. I was experienced. It's like op the charts man
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Yeah, and I want people to understand that too. I mean they're hearing it from you right now
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But like yeah, you know for you to have all the success of that film and
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Never see more than a couple dimes from it. I still owe a hundred thousand on that film. I
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I actually I actually was going to pay that back to one of my
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producers guide Donnie and
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Donnie's been great to me over the debt over over a well over a decade
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And I spent it thinking I had money coming in and then and then he's like well
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I just spent I was like well I spent it on the program thinking that that I didn't know I was gonna get ripped off
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So I said why don't I just give you an executive producer credit in the program and I'll pay back when I make money from the program
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And he was cool. Thank God he was cool with that but
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But I remember at the time thinking
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It was so devastating first of all I like to hike I was like I go from my hikes every day
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Just to kind of clear my head space because the level of stress was just beyond
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Just anything like oh my god
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So I would really get out there and hike and I said okay
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James this is a very low point in your career. I've had all this success and now I'm in this position
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I can't believe this
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But I'm gonna take this frustration this anger and and I'm gonna
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Focus it. I can laser-like precision. I'm gonna produce a really good documentary
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So I took all of that energy and I focused it into the program and I worked
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So the point where I could barely walk getting my ass back to the edit studio
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And I pushed myself to the break of death
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To produce the program
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Listen I and I I want to say this as someone who's
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Seen a lot of this behind the scenes and and and what happened here you know
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One of my favorite clips we ever recorded is not a public clip
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It was actually a 15 minute patreon episode when you were in my we were still my parents house back then when you were there
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I go down there and that's the other thing by the way people want to know what a stand-up guy James Foxes
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He calls me at 4.45 a.m
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From the runway and Vermont going
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They said the engine doesn't work on the plane. They're gonna see if they can give it a go
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And oh my god that doesn't sound promising at all
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Obviously they gave it a go didn't work didn't crash the plane and then flake
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It's cancelled and we had a lese who still lived in Florida at the time he had flown up for this
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Now he was as broke as I was so this was like a big deal
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And so we're like oh my god
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This is gonna get canceled and you're like fuck it. I'm driving
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So you came down for two days didn't even let me pay for your hotel
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And we ended up recording for about five hours and 45 minutes on the second day
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We did two podcasts and in the middle of that which by the way, thank you for doing that
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But in the middle of that we had like a 15 minute patreon episode where you
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Walked us through essentially your career journey and then especially your eight-year odyssey
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And that's what I'll call it
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Making the phenomenon which for my money is the greatest UFO documentary ever made fucking phenomenal
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It took you it took you 25 years before that to get anywhere near the respect you deserve
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You work jobs from valet into plum into whatever it was all these things just to support yourself
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Pay for these documentaries yourself around the world try to make something great
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And then finally shout out to Joe Rogan for giving you the respect on the phenomenon back in 2020 and putting you into the
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You then took all that money put your money where your mouth is put it into moment of contact
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And so again like when I see how close it came to you almost having to be like if this doesn't work with the phenomenon
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I got to stop like my 25-year dream is over
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To see that work and then see you
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Get all the attention you deserve make this amazing documentary moment of contact and it's supposed to be your
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You're now crowning moment where like you can kind of go on in life and do the things you love and not have to worry about finances and stuff
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To see that strip from you by scumbags which is what they are
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And and to have you have any there's no repercussions no repercussions no legal repercussions what so ever
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So to see that strip from you though
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discuss me that said
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The inspiration that you are to me
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Like that clip I go back and watch that sometimes it's still on patreon was the first patreon episode we ever posted
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And to see it puts in perspective what I do what a lese does because we work our ass off
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We've been doing eighty like he does
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He's been doing that for like a year and a half I would do in that for five years and it's like damn James was doing this shit and working separate jobs for
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25 years just to try to get the respect he long deserves and like for all the creators out there who have a dream and want to do stuff
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You're looking into guy right here who never lets anything defeat him and you had to do it again since then so
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Shout out to you for doing that and for making another kick ass documentary. You know, I hope now we can be
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I should have been moved saying I should have been laughing in my 50s like yeah
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Did it said I'm like
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Confident for survival like again. Here's the good news
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I was like well. I've been in the trenches my whole life. So I've been here before I know how this feels
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I know what it's like to be broke. I know it's like to be completely panes. I know what it's like not to even have a bank account
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I didn't have a bank account when I first I didn't have a bank account when I was making the phenomenon for three years
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And remember people going what are you talking about you know a bank account?
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I was like yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not doing it to upset you like I don't have a bank account because
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And if I put money in the bank, you know, it's gone. So I had to deal with all that and it's gone
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Remember I got this check and I was waiting for it was like 1500 bucks. I was like oh, I need that check so bad
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I was so desperate. I was like oh my god
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I was like I'm gonna pay my cell phone keep that from getting caught off then. I got my heat bill and I was like
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Oh god, you know, and then so I put the I got the check and I raced it to the bank
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I didn't do the ATM. I went inside to make sure everything went smoothly
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I put that check in the bank the next morning I came to get some money out and she's like
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Sorry, you sir. You have a zero balance
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I was like what are you talking about? I said I put money and last night. Oh, well you made a you made a withdrawal
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Yeah, I arrest took it
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Oh my god, you want to talk about a gut punch? It was like somebody punched me in the stomach with everything they had
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I remember thinking to myself they didn't save me a dime not a dime. They took all of it
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Changes like back to doing glory hole blow jobs. Oh my god. I was so
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But I remember thinking they didn't even save like they didn't take like 50% or like 70%
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They took 100 every penny of it anyway, so yeah, so I've been there so you know
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And it's funny actually because
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I have this mentality of like someone's gonna come take this the good stuff that I then I did get away from me
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You know, I paid cash for my my kind of my dream car when I could and and when I got when I bought a house
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I just had I had a chunk of money. I never had a chunk. I never had that before right guy
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It's almost made me paranoid because I'd everyone's like you gotta do this and you gotta buy stuff
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I'm like I'm not a stock guy. No, I'm gonna put it all into a house. I took the chunk and it's gone
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But I feel good about it as an artist, you know, it's like then at least it's in a house, right? Yeah
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What I was going up the bottom line is here you are you have maintain I know obviously there's there's real human struggles behind the scenes
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But you have at least in every time we've talked maintain your happy go lucky positive attitude the whole way
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I and it's it's a good lesson because like I think that's part of what gets you through and get you this point
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So thank you. I appreciate that yeah, I don't talk about that aspect of it very often and people think like like I had this
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Young filmmaker make a comedy. Well you have it easy and everybody's
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Everybody you know helps wants to help you out blah blah blah. I was like what you're in your 20s. I'm in my 50s
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I've been in the trenches for 25 30 years
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I'm like you need to pay your dues buddy. He's like yeah, whatever
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I really really pissed me off and I just had to cool my jets and be like okay
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This guy doesn't know because I don't really talk about that often the what I've been through to get to where I am
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Yeah, nothing I'm anywhere special, but it's like I've you know
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I set out to do dreams and I had to claw and fight and kick and scratch and fight my way all the way man
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Yeah, it's like nothing but a slew of obstacles in front of you try to get your go for your dreams, right?
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So yeah, but when I finished the
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The phenomenon was the only movie I finished that I
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Because you weren't satisfied with the ones before that nope
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I did uh 50 years of denial. I was happy, but I was like, you know, I did it
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That was intense. I didn't realize that was in my 20s. I was like I had no idea how or that was gonna be right
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That I did out of the blue and I was moderately happy and I remember my partner
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Boris was in a fetal position crying and I've been there too
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And his wife's looking at me like I'm she's like you're killing my husband, you know, and he's like
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You know, I was like telling everybody so hard. I got no money. So I'm not paying him
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So he's like broke and his wife's like what the hell?
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I was like we got to get this movie out man
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Everyone's at the end of the rope so I released that film
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Then I owned it again three years later when I got a letter from NBC Universal
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And I'm like we're not gonna renew the broadcast option which I didn't expect them to do anyway
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So I owned it again and I revisited that film. I think I spent another two and a half years on that a lure made a drug
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It's got and then finished that again totally broke like end of my rope and it was like
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It's not what I envisioned. It wasn't like what you you know, you have this idea and it doesn't materialize necessarily as as you
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As you wanted to so that took another crack at it in my 30s
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Um, I know what I saw mid to late 30s
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Finish I know what I saw and I was kind of depressed because Lionsgate almost bought it
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But then the people that at I think was not acquisitions
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But the people that go through the quality control reviewed it and they said that it had fallen short and production
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Qualities and I remember thinking to myself that's I didn't get a deal with Lionsgate because of that and it was
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Devastating I was like all right. I'm not gonna make that mistake again next time
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If I don't have the money to do it right. I'll wait until I do so then that's why
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The phenomenon took as long as it did it took me eight years. I started when I was 43
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You went all over the world too went all over the world
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Yeah, and I ran out of money at the time and I lost my bank account
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Came a dad like all those things kept going kept going kept going kept going and when I finished it
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I watched it in the um in the in the in the in the in Los Angeles in a place called jr. Proposed who does the audio
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Work because we're gonna be for the first time ever in movie theaters
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And everyone said to me if you want to be in a theater if you're audio ain't right
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It's yep, you got to have first you need to hire an audio engineer and I was like what I would never hire not you
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You don't know all these pro you don't understand James you can't be in theater without
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proper sound the balance the modulation all the little microscopic surgery that the that these guys do he did it
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I watched the film in that studio that I didn't watch it again for several years after that
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But I was like okay, this is it yeah, we got it. We locked it down finally
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That's the one that I've been trying to do since I was 24
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Yeah, I mean, it's the most comprehensive history of the modern UFO phenomenon
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Yeah, and I wanted to I wanted to create a body of evidence that could transcend in a big way the
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Problem I'm part of the UFO community, but yeah, I felt what's the point of preaching to the choir?
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I want to I want to be able to present a body of evidence to the mainstream to a much more mainstream audience
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So let them know that there's really something more than swamp gas and weather balloons to the phenomenon, right?
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And I did it. I felt like we did it. Yeah, I would look at the all the
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Credits in the film most of them
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Deserved it not all of them
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But uh, but that's yeah
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That's another story. Okay
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Yeah, you're gonna blue balls us there. I see it
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But you get that was you know, you get to sit down with a guy like Harry Reid who was amazing
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You know this longtime center and everything and was was read in amazingly on on some of this stuff
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But that's where the initial idea for the program obviously comes from because
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You're doing this comprehensive history and you stumble upon
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The fact that there were official
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You know, obviously you have the 2017 Christopher Mellon taken
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The documents out of the Pentagon and going to New York Times and bring it public while you're making the phenomenon
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And then you're in the midst of making the phenomenon
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You're talking to people like Harry Reid and you're like holy shit. We have actual programs that are documented
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That look at this and nothing else, you know, so I mean were you thinking to yourself holy shit
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all these crash retrieval
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Folk lore all the way up to men in black because this is before you did moment of contact
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Might actually be based on something real because of what guys like Harry Reid were telling you you know
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It's kind of like uh, I remember I remember when it happened at the time because I
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I almost like pinched myself. It's been a couple of
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Times in my career where I've literally I'm in such a state of disbelief that I have to literally physically like kind of pinch myself
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Because I'm going to that that really just happened like really and I remember the first time it happened with five simons in the former governor
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Of Arizona when he admitted after doing this whole spoof 10 years earlier where he had his a dress up as an alien
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And it came out and mocked the whole Phoenix lights case and everyone was so pissed off about that and
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That was one of the time when he admitted. I was like did I just hear what I think I heard like he just said
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He saw it and he investigated and then it wasn't of this earth. He knew that just by the sheer size and you know
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And I remember like I literally reached out and I was pinching myself going no, I'm not sleeping
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This really happened. I was pinching my leg and then I was like oh the camera's not rolling
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So I I looked over to see if the red light was still going on the camera
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You know with those moments and when Harry Reid said to me because I remember I was being somewhat conservative
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It was a huge moment in my career like I might imagine right oh, yeah, and um, I don't think anybody had gotten
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I mean that was the biggest sit down interview he ever gave because he got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer
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Yeah, he was on the weapon. Yeah, and so I said you're telling me something like this you're telling me
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That what's been released the videos that were making the headlines all across the world you're telling me that the evidence. It's been released
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That there's more or something like that and he goes
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Uh, was it like the vast majority or it's just a tip of the iceberg some extremely profound statement like it
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You always suspect it but to have that level of confirmation by that level of
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Wow, that was an incredible moment in my career. I was like oh my god
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All these things that we've been hearing at Roswell and King Minerazona and Aztec and
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Forgina and just all this stuff. It's like
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This changes everything. Like if you think about it because you know people often ask me like why do I keep pushing
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What's wrong with you? You're just obsessed, you know, and I say to them like well imagine
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Imagine if this stuff is true
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Imagine if we have hardware from an alien species. I say alien because I don't know what they're in whatever they are
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But they're alien. Yes
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If we have hardware in bodies how significant of a story would you give that and everybody goes holy shit
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Doesn't matter what your political background your your what what your religious
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Whatever all around the world everyone says the most significant story period, right? Of course
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That it's going down and it's a very difficult story to walk away from and quite frankly
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I'm not gonna ever walk away from it until it's out and it's coming and it's coming out
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What do you mean it's the story's coming out needs to yeah, yeah, it's coming. I mean it's
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It's coming out. Yeah, why don't you put the thing back in the bottle?
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So one of the things you've talked about Jason is that there's a difference between
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Disclosure I want to get this right difference between disclosure and national security interests something like that when it comes to
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The phenomenon are you basically saying that if we had evidence that they're the
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Literally that we are not alone in the universe people have a right to know that at a broad level
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Whereas the things that may be more finite within that that would impact our national security. They don't yes
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That's kind of how I feel about it too. Just that yeah, there's a difference between a weapon system from a technology
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Be it from our own making or exotic retrieval
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Kind of stuff where that needs to stay classified but the disclosure should be that yeah, we do have
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Other things that we don't know where they come from or we do know where they come from and these are the entities and
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Yeah, people need to kind of know about this because it's a big deal for us as a
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Array to just realize that we're not alone in this universe
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That's it. You know, I mean that that has an impact
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And to me that's a right for everybody to know or not know and except or not except well, so
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Expanding on what you just said because a lot of people go
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You know any statistician will tell you that the odds of us being alone in the universe is is you know, we're not
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100% that there's other life the question is is it coming here? Of course, I'm convinced it is and
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I'm sure I'm a hundred percent. I was I've seen it. I know yeah, I wish everybody else could know what I know and have experienced it
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And then they all be like oh, yeah, this is serious
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Can we talk a little bit about his uh
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Because I know I wanted to provide a little bit of a platform so he can defend himself a little bit
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And I'm not sitting there you know holding J up on a platform
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But I'm the reason why he's coming forward. I'm the reason why he got exposed. It was my mistake
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He did an on camera interview with me. We were gonna mask his identity
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Primarily, but primarily because it was a security insurance thing
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He shakes us as we get good job asshole. He was dealing in 2021
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2022 where he was having meetings in skips. I'm guessing yes
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And meetings in skips with congressional staffers or people part of the task force or
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Your AP taskworts folks and yeah folks investigating on the hill. Yeah, and they introduced me to the congress and
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Well sent in house all this stuff and I met personally with a couple of those people to because I was like I'm I need to know that this guy's been vetted
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And you know, so I've been me I was meeting with I'm in fact, I've got a
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In fact, let me read this right now because this is the time what I'd want to do it before you go on though
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I just want to say really quick. Yes
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You know you mentioned the time when you accidentally put my name out there
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Yes, it's actually turned into a blessing disguise because as you know at that point I hadn't got my doctor yet
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And explain you explain your case. Yes
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Well, that's going to be the pre publication where if you're an intel person you have to ask you know for everything to be reviewed and
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That's what I had to do is get that the top source an acronym for like pre publication
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Yeah, so that I can I knew the subject matter that I could talk to publicly
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So that's that was kind of something I was still working on but I mean when I had to go public it was fine
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I felt really good like there's a whole cloud just lifted
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And um actually there's a lot of supporters that came out of the woodwork for me
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So so uh and you've been getting a lot of heat for some things that you said that I thought were very
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questionable, but whatever
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Let me read let me read something here because this this came from an individual that I met with you had the camera
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I'm going to put my old man glasses on for this. Okay, here we go
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And I had nicer glasses. I had really cool glasses, but I left them in the car
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What you're gonna look at out here
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I remember the first time we went on Joe Rogan
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I had these really funky glasses and everyone was commenting on them like
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Dude seriously those are the glasses you're gonna use for me on Joe Rogan
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I thought I was a fashion you know
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State video to wear some glasses
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I don't know this guy
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Yeah, I don't know him
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Well to give him help with this more
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To give him credit you said he had mentioned in a yacht
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Okay, here we go and this I know who this individual is
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And he says if you say blah blah blah blah you might as well quote my name directly so I said please keep as written
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From a congressional source who is aware of his testimony Jason Sands
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Jason testified to three congressional committees and arrow as a whistleblower
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His military and intelligence community background
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Clarence's and assignments were fully vetted
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We were not however able to validate some details of his extraordinary testimony
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However, mr. Sands testimony did provide
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Significant insights that were later validated by multiple military witnesses and who gave you this statement again without saying without saying the
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It was a congressional source. Okay, yeah, and I met with this individual face-to-face
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Okay, multiple times now this is this is a little bit of a different kind of podcast like we've had multiple people on here a bunch
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But this is a little bit of a different one than we've ever done because your story is gonna be in the middle of this
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And that's really gonna be a focus and then at some point we're gonna come back around to a lot of things in the program
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Yeah, but we'll just do this live like we always do
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Obviously James gave you a pretty good intro as far as what some of the high level
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I guess like public discourses right now. Yes surrounding you
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But I really want to get the full thing out there just so it can be there on the record and everyone out there listening can kind of
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Decide for themselves and and hear what you have to say and and go from there
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So I got photographs of him in the military that I printed out so you can go through these pictures hold them up
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And explain where where you are what you're doing what your
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Credentials were at the time but hold them up for the camera if we can yeah, so your camera's gonna be right there
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Yeah, this one's when I was in symbogra and a little higher maybe yep, and this is me in my
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DO or who's kind of like the operations chief
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He was wearing me and again for another reimbursement in this particular this was about 1990
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This is me training one of the younger troops hold it up higher
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This is at black mountain, which is that place where the UFO incident of 1994 happened
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Not just the location where the UFO flew by
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Sure, there's a window there you were saying that you're blocking in the picture
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Tell us what you would have seen out that window a couple days earlier. Yeah, or what I'm sorry
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When that UFO image leaked out of now. Yeah, because there's windows on this this wall and also along the other side of the wall
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That my co-workers were up there the day the UFO came through and they
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They saw it as several of them saw it
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Some of the people are actually another vehicles and things that around the desert doing other things
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And they didn't see it but the people that are in the school house
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Tell me and yeah, everyone out there. We're gonna come back to that like we're we're gonna go through that whole thing
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I'm gonna want to start from the beginning a minute, but keep going with the pictures. All right
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This is me with my commander at the unit that I had all of my experiences from look at those specs
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Damn, I had I had surgery later on at some lacy
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But yeah, I had those specs
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Anyway, I was just receiving an award or graduation. I believe it was anything yet
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Yeah, I was an award
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So this is the commander just give me an award for something great I did or some I didn't think much of it
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People thought it was worthy of an award. Okay, and this is when I graduated the NCO academy and
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Yes, my wife and I'm protecting her privacy to the public
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But anyway, yes, this is me at the graduation. They had a photographer for us
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But this is again in Germany where I graduated from the NCO academy. When is this a proximate? This is just before
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I think just for Hawaii. So you're talking
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One or two. Okay, so this is several years before you leave the Air Force
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Right, right, right? Okay, yeah, because I left the Air Force in 2007
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Okay, and then there's two more documents. I'd love you just to quickly go through we can get this out of the way
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Okay, is then that is I think I have them which talks about your special access program
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Where are those you have those in yours? Do I have them here? I'm gonna have some to you here. We go. Okay
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Yeah, some of these I don't this it's uh, we have got yeah, there's a raw documents
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So I can't show the names and stuff
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But I am gonna be showing you my own personal records, but these are from my
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career in the Air Force
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Every year you have what's called a personal report. You have to have signed by your immediate supervisor
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and your commander and you know, he just go through and tell him this is what I did this year
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You know, here's the things that are not worthy to highlight
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All right, so um, I provided these two James and several other trusted individuals
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Because they highlight some things that people have questioned me about
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I think most recently they questioned the fact that
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They had a guy that was supposed to be in my career field and it claims that oh, I couldn't possibly be in a special access program and take
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Off it with two weeks and nobody know
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Well, dude, uh, I'm sorry. I'm gonna embarrass you a bit
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But anyway, uh, that's what's in these documents here. So read the ones we hide
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We might have put them at the top of your staff. They're in my stuff. Yeah, because the ones that are highly quickly
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I think it's just important to establish some of his military records before here you go get it yeah
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Served as Com sick operator on three highly sensitive secret to the Air Force level special projects missions
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Okay, does it give a year range on yes, and on the backside of this it shows you that
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This is where it worked. This is Nellis
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Okay, yeah, so the year the year is that and then read the back it tells you exactly where he was Nellis Nellis test range
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Okay, so I'm reading the highlighted parts. Yeah, okay
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Value to over 2.5 million entered into analyst upgrade training expertise in the area of readiness disaster preparedness plans and trainings have aided
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significantly in the units readiness posture and then it says it does give the address for Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada
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And I can see the your periods are
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92 to 93 exactly and so here's another one also
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This one also confirms again that I was doing this for years
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If you look at that one you see also the dimension of the special access that I had
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And if you flip it over you can see again. This is from Nellis Air Force Base my job there and again the dates in the date
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It's right when I always said this is who I was during those years. Okay
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All right, this is this is great to have by the way, so thank you for bringing this just so we have like yeah actual
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Yeah, definitely want you guys to to look at it
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He brought it in all of his records. Yeah, of course, yeah
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Of course, we're looking at some before too
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The congressional staff members
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Leslie Cain, Christopher Mellon, a number of other people that said look whatever he's saying
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His clearances check out he is who he says he was he was where he says he was and he's
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He's named classified programs that we've laid revalidated with multiple other witnesses
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So leave it at that. So James one of the things that I think makes your job really hard. Yeah, that
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You know, it's almost like how do you even get around this if you're going to try to investigate it is that you do have to talk with a lot of people
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Who are from and around intelligence right or high level military or whatever you may say and you know
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I'm so fascinated by that subject matter. You know, I've had somebody spooky people in here before
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I like to hear them out put my feds right where I could see them on camera and everyone else can listen and everyone judge for themselves
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Understand it's a mixed bag. There's some things they say where I'm like that's definitely bullshit
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And there's other things they say where I'm like maybe you know what I mean
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But I never know the motive on it. So I just kind of sit here and do the best I can to understand that but you
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Dealing with the guys like the Christopher melons doing what guys like I've had in here like Lulizando
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Dealing with any of these people that are unnamed sources that you have as well dealing with people even in Congress who
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You know, I guess we could say this way report to those people in a way and they wouldn't want to say that but that's kind of how it is
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You know, how do you grapple with trying to separate
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Sci-op like subject matter that maybe brought your way versus things that could actually be
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On the pathway of your investigation that you're looking for
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Good question, and I totally get that's uh, and particularly as you get closer to the target
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things get a little more easy, right
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Um, and you get under attack and you know, you don't know who to believe
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Advantage of having done extensive field research all around the world
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When I hear reports like what he's referring to I remember hearing that Nellis test range footage leaked in the 90s
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I was investigating UFOs making my first film from who do you hear on the internet like a
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Just a public news reported on in a news on some like tabloid news news thing, but it was a real
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And I remember going this is fascinating. No, this is in the 90s
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So I had heard about the tell us the Nellis test range
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leak back in the 90s, right?
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And I've reported on close encounters of the first kind close encounters of the second kind and close encounters of the third kind all around the world
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When I when I meet someone like mr. Saiyan's
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I've got a lot of field research for instance, you know my time boots on the ground in virginia brazil crash retrieval program capture of
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Biologics entities. So I go all right
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I can't just believe him because who he says or whatever he says he says right
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I just and I feel that way about anybody else Louis, Osano, David, Grash like who do we know that what they does what they say align with my field research
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And if it does I have to think okay, this might be true
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If it's way out to the right field or something okay, more questionable one thing I've learned in this field
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I have that knee-jerk response you hear something that sounds truly
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And you have this knee-jerk response like this is this this is too un-belieble this this can't be therefore it isn't
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I've learned after 30 plus years to suspend that judgment and at least listen and hear the people out
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Right, and so that's kind of marimat now with mr. Saiyan's the selegion encounter that took place in 1994
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You got the video you got the names we have I'm not gonna reveal them, but we have first and last names documents that have leaked and
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On the whatever of other people that it witnessed it they lead they leaked
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Yeah, they like you got access to video when the video leaked other names leaked okay, and
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I contacted a couple people that I trust
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That I trust can I can I be you know getting light sure I could be yeah
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Trust them. Why do you trust them because I was the one that tracked them down and they refused to meet with me
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They did not come to me. I went to them and I tried for years to get a meeting with them
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And kept trying and kept trying and kept trying and finally got a meeting became kind of friends had multiple meetings
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And then I kind of lean on on them for advice on hey, can you do some background on this and I can do the background on that and
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And I look for a sort of consensus among those various contacts did they know each other
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A lot of the ones you're thinking I'm sure they know of each other whether they're in direct contact. I don't know
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I asked them point blank after I looked into this for eight months. What can I do?
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I can't improve that he had an encounter in the desert, but I
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Okay, you know Jason's got some PTSD issues, but blah blah blah blah. It's like
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Well, I was really frustrated. I remember this is a couple of couple of people I was with was talking with
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Did it happen or didn't now happen in your opinion? Please just did do you think it happened or not?
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We think it happened and Christopher Malin was one of these. We I'm not saying any names, but we think it happened
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And I was like, okay, all right. Well based on that I'm going to report on it
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And I'm going to hope that me reporting on it will encourage other people that were potentially there because now we have
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One person coming forward. We have video that's leaked. We have Nate where they're at Nellis
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We're there at Nellis that video that leaked three days prior
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So there was a UFO that was captured on sensory data. You can explain that one better
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and then we know and then and then Jason
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Sands coming forward. So maybe the other on duty military personnel
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Will come forward and say yeah that happened or you know what?
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Jason's full of doggy do do and it didn't happen
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But one way or the other now Jason was able to get a hold of one of the individuals. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that
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Yeah, and he went dark right? Yeah, he gave us a meal. I mentioned it
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We'll get there on the timeline promise people we're gonna go through all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah
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So anyway, so that's just because it's a very controversial thing
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And it's very controversial when you're dealing with you know close encounters of third kind period
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I mean, I was terrified when I covered the Ruiz in Bobway case in
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1994 the landing of the school discussed that a lot in 138. Yeah, and I had you know
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I had had a hairy read in Podesta and all the you know other intel folks in
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The the phenomenon and I was like as soon as they see the fact because they wanted to review the film before they're gonna
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Give me a release form as soon as you see the fact that I've got reports of you know face-to-face contact with aliens at a school in Africa
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People gonna be like you need to take me out of this movie, right? Yeah, I don't want to rehash all that for the people because we did do that in the past
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So 138 it was like 17 minutes or 21 minutes into that
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But that's a crazy case and I discussed it with Danny Sheehan a lot too. Yeah reporting on those types of the nature of those cases
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You know with not a lot of evidence, right? You got I witness testimony. It's pretty much all you've got yeah
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So those were children though too, which is interesting too. Yeah because
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You know when you have so many kids saying the same thing
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Yeah, it was a compelling you have John Mack like psychologically evaluating them not saying it doesn't mean it's not made up
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But like it's a little bit yeah that one keeps me up at night. Yes, pretty crazy
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I'd like to talk to him too because I know
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That from my encounter that some of them claim that they had some kind of telepathic yes
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Conversation and from my experience. I know there was like residue
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Information that I don't know where it came from
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residue information like you know when you join a mind space the way I felt it was that there was some part of that person
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That was overlaid onto me and it was like
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You know kind of it was almost like we were one one mind for a bit
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And I'd like to talk to some of those kids that were there and see if they have some residue
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Memories of who they spoke to because that's kind of how it felt with me is that there were some
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Left over things that I'm like
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Well, that's not my life, you know, but this was from that telepathy. You know, it's interesting when I flew in
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Some of the witnesses with the help of Randall Nicherson back in 2013
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It was coming up in the 20th anniversary of the landing at the school in in aerial school in
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This in Bobway and a lot of the witnesses that came in I was talking to them
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They were married school teachers lawyers
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And had partners and I and and they had not
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They were like well, we had to tell my husband he had to tell your husband what
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She goes well, I told my husband about the incident. It's like you're married with kids and you didn't tell your husband prior to that
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Well, I was tired of defending it, you know, and I just quite honestly had to defend it
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Yeah, just like I've people looking at me with this incredulous look on their face like you're crazy
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And I just like I tired of talking about so I didn't talk about it
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So I was like you're married with kids and you didn't tell your husband about this and get nope
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I didn't up until now
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And he just told you're you just told a few years ago your wife and your kids. Yes. Yeah, all right
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My mouth shut, but you know there was so you didn't back when it happened no
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I did my good boy keep my mouth shut
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But then I started since seeing some things that I was concerned with and that's when I went to Congress
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Got it. So James just as it as it devils advocate here to play this out, you know
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You talk about these guys you had to track down and they wouldn't talk with you wouldn't talk with you
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And then they talk with you and I and I think about this is very possible that the outcome is exactly what you said
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But the other possible outcome is that they're like holy shit
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There's this guy who was like a bloodhound on the trail like he doesn't give up. He knows his shit about the phenomenon
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You know respected name in that space. You've been investigating this stuff for years
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He can roll off all these facts from around the world
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He could be useful to us to fucking feed him some information because he's fiending for it
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And that could be useful for whatever we're doing that's a distraction from what's really going on here
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Not to say like oh, we're not alone in the universe or not to say that we're not not alone in the universe
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Just something like that, but that there are other things that play here
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IE I don't know reverse engineered DARPA weapons or things like that that are even from things of this earth
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That we don't want China and Russia knowing we got from a human standpoint
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So we're gonna say oh look at the fucking green alien and James Fox is gonna be our guy to put the information out there that tries to
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Push that narrative. Do you think that could happen with any of these guys?
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Yeah, good point and I would I would
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Say that when you've got someone like mr. Sands or people that have appeared in my movie
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Right a number of people
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They're suppose their faces right and their names
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Saying look you provide me with the necessary like
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clearance or immunity and I'll provide all the level of detail you need to verify what I'm telling you right?
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so the the the implications are so significant
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That we owe it to ourselves to make sure that these individuals
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Like take him take how put off and a number of other people that have come forward
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Let's inform Congress and let's fight to get these guys immunity and put them on under oath
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bipartisan group of lawmakers
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publicly let's provide them with immunity and let's get the specifics. Let's verify
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Let's prove or disprove what their claims are because
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The implications are not they're so profound not just for everyone within the United States
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This is a this is gonna have a global impact, right?
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So yes, you have to in the back of your mind go yeah, this could be
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They could be you know, but again
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It aligns with my research in the field that's I really can't emphasize that enough
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So let's expose the fact that these folks they want to they're asking for immunity. Please. I've got NDAs
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I've signed all these security oaths
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Please just give me immunity put me on the stand. Let me take a lie to test her
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Let me testify under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers and I'll give you all the details you need to verify
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What I'm telling you okay? So let's see it out. It's too significant not to so why not
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So I make everything public as as I possibly can I put the film out there. I got eight names
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I got hey, let's find out. I've got meetings with people that I'm trusting could they be
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Lying to me. Yeah, they could be but
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Let's let this process play out because the implications are too profound not to I think that's fair
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Right, that's the part of the disclosure you're gonna have to add to that this just that you know
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You're hearing from people that definitely have have truth in in what they have to say
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Okay, but yes, there are some bad actors out there
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And I know that they do work for you know deception programs around these black programs. You know that
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I know that I work for the office. It does that
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Within the gut are you referring to within the government or deception for public for public purposes meaning like to the general population to keep the security and cap on it
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Yeah, okay, that's how how they do things like that
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But I'm just trying to tell you though that yeah, there's a difference between
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Disclosure and just saying that yes, we're not alone, but there has to be that that level of hey, you know
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We we need to actually walk into the workspaces, you know that whatever location and that
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All of you difficult could you it right here right now
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If we had if you had immunity right now, okay, I'm not asking to repeat to say anything classified right here right now
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Could you give us street addresses to where the goodies are like I walk you in yeah, what are what are the goodies?
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What are you referring to James alien technology bodies
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Body actual bodies bodies aliens. Yes, human. Yes. Yeah, I could you know, yeah, I could do give us street addresses
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Yeah, yeah, but they may have I gave this to Congress they could have moved since you saw them
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Well, yeah, cuz my yeah, I'm kind of like an archival witness to all this program. What do you mean archival witness?
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Well, just that my time in 10 year was you know from in the mid 90s mid early to mid 90s
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That's it and then I was out of the program after that
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So there's other people though that I know of that are whistleblowers that have been there and they're still in it
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But like you're saying they need immunity. Yeah, so
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Where I was at when it came to the locations where things were back in the 90s
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Yeah, they've may have used different labs or they've created another lab like in California rather than
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Ohio and things like this and they could have moved any number of things anywhere else like you're alluding to
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And yeah, that's something that other people have already come forward handed it to Congress and said this is where they're keeping this stuff
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So why do you real quick? Do you want to ask this?
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Why do you have immunity to make some of the claims you have about things you allegedly saw
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But people I understand people are still in the program like they're literally actively in it
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So you can't discuss that but like couldn't they leave tomorrow therefore based on you and say the same things you are
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Yeah, they could clean up and not have legal repercussion. Yes, they could they would get a
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Reprieved at least to talk to Congress about things and get this stuff off the back
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And get all the the information that they feel they need to discuss so they go and do a skeptic to do that
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They can do that or they can do like I did and separate you know after they go through that process and do like I was saying
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Do in the pre-publication process and everything else that you have to do
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Legally keep your you know make sure this is this stuff you can talk in public and this is stuff you have to keep secret
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They can do all of that stuff just like I did and that's what keeps me you know
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That that line of what can I talk about and whatnot is because I went through on my legal wicket
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But when I was in Congress and I talked to them in the skiff they got the full Monty and for people out there can
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Didn't hear Luos on to two thirty seven like can you explain what a skiff is we said that a few times today
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It's a secret compartment of facility where you can discuss
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Top secret and above in some cases
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There's the walls and everything that these buildings where the skiffs are have to be built a certain way the center block has to be so thick
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dampening has to occur also for sound you can't have sounded you know coming out. There's no windows
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I've only had a window once in my life
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Or twice in my life rather in my entire career
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So there's a these skiffs are just meant to you know house all the discussions
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All of the paperwork and everything else that's being worked on behind the scenes you weren't just in one with Chris Ramsy, right? Yep. How was that
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Christopher oh that was pretty cool. All right. Well, I was actually I was actually at a real skiff
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With the new head of arrow John Kuskowski. You didn't know that no. Yes, I was please do tell a little side tangent right here
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How was that you take a picture you take a selfie in there? Well, I don't know. I'm not okay. So so so
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When we met the parking lot James gonna be in prison. I was off of special investigations
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I met this guy he went by the name of Kevin, but he gave me a different name once we were there. It was Kevin
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And I had to do it. I had to provide a bunch of information. They did a 48 hour background check on me
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This is right after I went to the congressional the third congressional hearings which happened at the end of in november
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2024 I got to attend my first open congressional hearings. Yeah, it's very recent. Okay. Yeah, that was pretty cool
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Everyone's like, oh it's big nothing bring it well not exactly, but anyway, that's another story
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Okay, so I can't really release I can't reveal why I went there because they asked me not to but they did say that I could say I went there
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And and you'll understand when I explain why it's basically we're going after the same footage
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It's footage that I've been because people always go
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Oh James been talking about that Virginia footage forever man
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I've heard that before it's like oh you think I'm just gonna give up like really I heard about something
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I'm just gonna like give up on it like I told you I'll bring the Louisville down
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I'll get some kneecaps and some fucking video. I'm going back to Brazil in seven days
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I don't give up on stuff just so you know case in point the calvine 1990 UFO photograph
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I was I was chasing that down for 24 years 25 26 years and then Logan Paul got a go. Well, that's a different one
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This is calvine, but yeah, I know, but my point is is that when I hear about something so there's there's official
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evidence that that I'm 99.9% sure the gentleman who has actually told me at it
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Um, and this has been going on for almost 10 years. Anyway, so we're working together on the inside to get this
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I'll explain more whatever
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So I go into this give they do a background check on me and I'm going to gambling. I'm going in you know
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And they gave me this special pass and I holding this pass man
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And it's like and it says that I had I was a mandatory that I was it was an escort mandatory or something something like that
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Like I had to have an escort. I couldn't just go with the pass and just walk in it had to be escorted human axor
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So then I go I go into the metal chair. I go through the metal detector
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They come through all my stuff because I was jumping on an airplane or something and all my bags I went through everything
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Get inside and then they had these big glass tube like
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Don't I don't call them doors, but there's a one side. It opens up almost like Star Trek. Oh, yeah
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You know the ones yeah, and then the other side opens up and I walked through I was like, whoa. What was that? That was kind of cool
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And um, Jay's like I built that one. Yeah, no, it's called a trap area
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So that you can't you have to walk through one door and if there's a problem with your credentials
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I can stop you there until you get out of here. Oh, I saw you know what I saw that in James Bond
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They had that in the it was it was like super sci-fi. I mean, I was like whoa
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I was like open up and I said man
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So I'm following this gentleman and he was super clean cut perfect suit. Oh my god
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It was the quintessential guy that you expect right and
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Walk me down this hallway and they he says when I wait here and the door to my right was closed the door to my left was open and I'm
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Looking over there and I see like maybe three guys and two women sitting at it at a oval shaped table
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Have clearly having a meeting and I couldn't help myself and you're like I was just kind of like I kind of too
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Did you know what I'm like I'm like listen to what they're talking about
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What else is I gonna do I'm standing there in the hallway so I'm like leading in on it and then one of the guys gets up
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Rapidly to the door and there's closes the door of my face. I was like well. Sorry, buddy. Jesus, you know and then
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John Klaus Klauske walks up with Kevin and they open up the door to my right we go inside we sit down and we're talking
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Um, and I started saying to them like you know
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Got to be investigating this for all these years and who are these men in black are they part of I've heard
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Maybe it's Air Force Office special investigations like I'm talking to them just super openly. I don't care
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Whatever right you can reveal stuff to me or you could not reveal stuff to me and
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And then you know this case you need to look into and their footage disappeared from here and who are these men in black and they're kind of just sitting there quietly
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And I said you know and I've gone all over on the world and you know
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Yeah, the vast majority of these things can and have been explained away in like conventional terms
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But there's a core 15 20% that really defy it a conventional explanation after in-depth analysis and research
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Is there a plan to tell the general public like the truth like you know throw us a bone here and
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And then the head of arrow just in November
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And you can quote me on that and you can say we had this meeting and you go ahead and share that so I'm sharing it with you
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And that was in my opinion that was him saying look doesn't matter what I believe doesn't matter what I uncover
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I can't reveal jacked Italy squat without the doD's approval
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Which I thought was a little funny because it's like it's almost set up to because the doD's I mean you know
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Because congress what congress appoints the task force or arrow which is
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All domain anomalous resolution off as good luck in the resolution part
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Congress appoints them right now you guys go and report back to us
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But then you at this middleman which is the doD
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Saying what they can and cannot report now. I don't know if you've said what they can't account report to the public
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Or if they can or cannot report to congress which eventually come out and
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One of the points in the program that Brian Bender makes he said he spent 20 years on the hill
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Political magazine and others publications he goes look
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I'm telling you one thing I've learned from 20 years on the hill if congress finds out you're gonna find out
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Because they're terrible at keeping secrets
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So the doD must be doing everything they can to prevent congress from finding out whatever details needed
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Case in point they still haven't gotten into a skip with David grush
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Yeah, and and you know what that doesn't surprise me because
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My take on it and I think a lot of people out there have a similar take it's like
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The intel communities these are people who are there forever in some cases these congressmen
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They come they go they come they go they're all fucking politicians
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They're gonna suck the next dick just to get elected and it's like
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To me I don't see any reason why there's not
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Strong evidence to point to the fact that on almost everything they're treated like mushrooms by intel
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Feed him shit keep him in the dark. You know get him a little piece right here and there
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You know give him some that they can actually like have a hearing about but what are they really even know?
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What are they not being told I worry about that like with the president and the vice president?
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Whether they not being told you know, it's not like they have they're actually their ears on the ground and whatever
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Fucking country or part of space or whatever they're being they are trusting that the information coming into them in the
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Presidential daily brief is
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Not just accurate but the full scope yeah, yeah, and like who's to say it is and I would imagine coming from your world Jay
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It's like you know there are things that people are like they don't need to know that right exactly
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And I've been told that I've had to tell other people that but you're correct. It's it's one of those things where
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When you're in a leadership role at the DOD level
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In a you know whoever else might be involved with secretaries, you know
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They don't need to know what's going on like at a location and know that you know
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We wield in something today and we worked on it this way and we worked on that
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They don't need to know all that stuff. They just need in general to know that all right. Do you have your budget?
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Do you have problems and then sometimes there's an
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Issue that arrives where they have to go to the site and they will cease you know the people that are working at that tactical level
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But that for the most part when you're talking to leadership level they just have that
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You know, oh, I know something's going on, but I don't know all the detail right explaining me because I was asking you about this earlier
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Because I'm trying to wrap my mind around how that secrecy is kept we've got woo saps, right which is a waived
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Uninvolved special access program. Yeah, so is that under the umbrella of the DOE Department of Energy
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It's under the well the departments and the agencies all have their own
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Special access programs department state also they all have those so they each have an umbrella program for their set of
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Now at the the top level whether you're talking about a secretary or director of an agency or the Air Force the Army whatever
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That's when at the top level it breaks out into the each of the commands underneath them mostly military
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And they are given another part to work on
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That's also at a kind of a mid tier of management level and they work at that level and then there's another one that goes down to the tactical units that are actually have the lab or the
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Location where the stuff is being processed and things like this. So so how do they keep Congress
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From having oversight. I mean like they need money to run these programs
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So how do they get money? How do they give me layman's terms with some technical stuff? How's it done?
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Well for the most part what it what's done is that they
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Choose people that have integrity and have been shown the integrity to manage a budget a black budget
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And honestly you know run that for on behalf of Congress and so on so forth
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Synically though the same people who are failing the audits at the Pentagon every goddamn year
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Yeah, once they can't explain where the money went. Yeah, oh we lost two trillion. Sorry
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But these are the people that like vetting to do this exactly and that's why you know you were you were read into a couple of special access programs
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How did that happen?
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Give me some details like put me there a little bit
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If you don't mind. I mean whatever you can reveal without getting yourself in trouble
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Um, this is the James Fox podcast. The last
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So first of all a caveat everything with the fact that I feel myself as a normal guy
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You know just regular just have to have a lot of luck or whatever
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But they did they do have their their radar up when you do start to
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Looked at to go into a program and they're looking for certain aspects, you know
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You've got like for me. I think when I got into the program back in the 90s. They looked at my analytical capability
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How I was able to remember things and connect the dots. Well, how did how did they look at your memory?
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Like like taking tests of you or psychological valuations intelligence you already have to have a pretty good IQ
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Yeah, yeah, but they had been hearing things that
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You know other people in my career feel couldn't do like I think are they they over
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They were there when I was taking a test
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Are being quizzed for a test by one of my co-workers who has helped me because I have to take volume review exercises
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Test just like anybody else is certifying on an equipment and um I for some reason my brain just absorbs that
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Um the most of every
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Questions that I will go and review is about 300 for my tests
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And I could remember them to about 95% percent
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Percentile and for some reason if you were my supervisor who was quizzing me
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I could finish your sentence for you about the question it was and I give you the correct answer
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And I don't know how I do that. I can't do that for everything. I can't I'm not good with birth dates or anything like that
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But good grief, you know that that's one thing I could do so you don't have a photographic memory
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But you have something where there's a where there's a special level of recall on certain facets
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Right, there's certain there's certain areas that I think they found interesting with me and you could draw really well too
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Yeah, I'm an artist and I think my memory really connects when I I connect the dots between one piece of information
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It's related to this piece of information and that's what they're mainly looking at
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Because when you're out there in the field doing the work I was doing that's what you have to do is you have to listen
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You have to monitor and you have to be able to analyze what you're hearing and figure out this
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Point A equate to point B and do they have a relationship in a sense? Are you spying on different
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Programs or yeah, I was there to help button down those programs
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I was there to help protect them because my teams would go out for two week missions
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And we would assess them along with the OSI and
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They would do their side the OSI would go to do their side and my team would do the you know tapping into the
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All the communications telecommunications and at various locations right at various locations around the world
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After the two weeks we would do what we called a hot wash with the director or the leadership the staff
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Whoever the commander wanted in the room at the time with us to discuss what the findings were
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And how they could help to button down the security even more than what it was and make sure there were no other further leaks
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And that's what I did
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So I was kind of like a security assessment guy on steroids. That's what I was
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I'm what about some of the criticism you're seeing online with people saying you couldn't have been part of any special like since program
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What what's your what's your response to I just showed you the document that says right there. I mean
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We put it over here. Yeah, it's underneath. Yeah, I mean yeah, but anyway, it states right there in my own records that I had run in one
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Space of a year three missions for special acts or a special access program. I saw that yeah, so that
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Totally flies in the face of what they're claiming against me
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And for people out there like total layman who weren't familiar with military
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Terms and things like that when you say special access program
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At the highest level. What does that mean? That means that this is a
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The systems that they're working on the weapons that they're working on or the things that they are targeting
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To be not talked about because they
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There's some things that and some targets around the world that we don't want to let our enemies know that we know
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This about them and what they're doing
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Yeah, and what's what's interesting about anything like that to me when you look at whether it's the Pentagon
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Various aspects of the military is this thing that I was talking about with Jesse Michaels when he was on here James
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Which you know also mutual friend of ours great guy amazing show amazing podcast he did with you a few months ago
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But he's a great guy actually mentioned him on Rogan. He's like oh, thank you. I said no. Don't thank me. You earned it
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Oh, you earned it. He's totally deserve every bet that you're getting because you're awesome
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He's a beast, but he and I were talking about the compartmentalization of information within the government which is
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Let's put a name on it like let's give an example guy like how put off there's been around forever long time
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You know you could call it like intel
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Physicists looking at the phenomenon and a whole bunch of different other things for the government
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He's in the Pentagon. He's read in on these things like whether it be a sap a tip and all that
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But as much as he knows and I believe it's a lot
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He's he and the other guys with him are one peg within this entire organization and all these other little pegs
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Who maybe aren't talking on podcasts or aren't even public all know separate little pieces of the puzzle and all these pieces of the puzzle together make the puzzle
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But when you just have one thing compartmentalized from all these other things you can only take that in the context that that they're able to say that you can't take that in the full context of what the full picture
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Does that make sense exactly and that's exactly how it's run because like I said the leadership just has to know
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Enough to keep the budget rolling and to answer the mail when it comes to congressional
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You know, you know, question questioning and stuff
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Then the next layer down they're actually looking in creating plans
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Around this stuff and they're actually doing logistical work to get things from one point a to point B
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To go from this lab to that lab and they're working on things at that like I said that mid-tier level
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So the leadership doesn't want to know that crap
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Then you go down to the baseline level again like I said and they're working on you know sometimes
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On the stuff and they got their hands on it and so you don't see all of that and that's what the compartmentalization is is that when you're in that tactical level
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This guy's in one lab and just down the halls this other guy in another lab. They don't even talk right
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So you could be called into doing mission on whatever that involves you a day or technology
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We don't know about you see some whatever it is some crazy shit. You're like oh my god
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You know this you've seen this but the context of what that is and how deep it goes or where it came from
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You're never gonna find out because that's not a part of what you're read into on exactly and even the leadership
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It would be told only very little bit because they know that this site needs to operate under this amount of money
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And the tactical you know level black programs that are taking place there are managed by several different program managers
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On that site and those people report to their leadership and then that leadership then waters it down
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And they report on what they're they need and eventually the head head people and people in the leads will say
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Okay, well, just what's the dollar amount then if I can't know all the detail just give me the dollar right so you're sitting in a room
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With another individual
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Agencies companies what activities it had to be do D loan their east least telecommunications is what I was authorized to monitor in other words
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I had to be on a military installation
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And it had to be owned by the do D and then
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The thing though was that they can make a call that comes out of the base to any place in the world really
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And that's where we would over here, you know a corporation
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Answering the phone do you have the name of the individual that was who was working with you?
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Well, you don't give them to me, but you have it. Yeah, okay. Did you provide that?
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Yeah, they got that okay, so you would over here. Can you say that again? You would over here a corporation making a call about what?
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Yeah, it's like if the phone call originated on the base where I was authorized to monitor the the distant
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Could be anywhere else in the world in any other location and I would I would still capture that
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And if it had any bearing on the security of that organization on the military base
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That's what I could report on legally
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So okay, but it's coming from your base. Do you?
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Correct. Yeah, did you ever hear stuff where you looked at your buddy whoever you work with and was like
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Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened the day that
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Well, actually it's happened on more than one occasion in that program put me in the room like just what I just want to
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All right, so you're sitting you got a you got something that looks like this, but it's only bigger
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It's about you know five times bigger. It's the size of a good size to
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I guess his his screen right there. It's got some nice stickers on it too. It's got cool stickers on it
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It's got you got sunflower seeds flying everywhere. Love that
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But anyway, you got a bank of 20 different phone numbers coming in all the time
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And you got to be able to listen with your right and your left ear and you've got two gist sheets sitting here where you're writing down the notes of what you're listening to
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So I'm sitting there
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Doing my what I'm sitting what we call my rack and then there's another guy sitting off to my right and he's doing the same thing on his 20 lines
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So we're just going through our day and and all of a sudden I hear this crazy stuff about
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This conversation this guy had with what he called an ebony. I didn't even know what ebony meant back then
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But even yeah, the eb en
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Or an eb in this is what you heard you heard this yeah transmission
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Conversation what yeah, it was a conversation
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On the telephone between two individuals and he just said
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Well, even said this today kind of a conversation and what he relayed was just that yeah, there's some serious stuff coming down
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For people in the program because
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You know, we have equipment that's theirs and we have biologics that's theirs
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And he was like well, if we don't want to give it back and he's like
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Well, they don't like that idea and quite frankly we're going to be put to death if we don't give it back. So you're
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The guy that you're working with you guys both were hearing this and what you think you think in this is fine
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I stopped I had to finish the call and then when finally they were done talking and they hung up
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I had to do my dubs on my tape and say you know my you know
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Should it all down and say that that was the call it it started now ended at this time
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This was the date did you report on it and then yeah, because then I picked it up
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You'd say it came from this location between these two individuals correct
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And you had the names of those two individuals
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And it was just a conversation that you overheard. Yeah, and you reported on it
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Yeah, did you ever hear any conversation and reporting on technology? Yeah, I want a lot
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That's why we had a scientist on the team and what was like what was the like what was the feel of the car
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I know I want you to reveal anything classified
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But essentially like what kind of stuff were you hearing like people that were frustrated that were working on it? Yes, there there was
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A group of technology that was just kind of like a G. You know, you know what they're working
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It's obviously an aviation aviation pod or something that is on a craft or assistant that we know about
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Or we've been working on for a while, you know could have been captured from an enemy
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Battle or you know some kind of thing like that
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But you're saying I'm sorry. So you're saying NHI or just terrestrial terrestrial
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They would talk about all that stuff within in some of the missions that I had that was the preponderance and then there's this
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Like you've already alluded to that there's about 10 or 15% of it that was like
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What on earth that I just hear just like when I was telling you what did I just hear so you're listening to you're listening to someone
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Who is theoretically working on something that they don't understand what it is right?
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The scientists themselves were very frustrated with that 10 or 15% of these calls that would come in they would be saying
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I have no idea can I talk to someone so no, you're not allowed to you can't do that
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Just take your your your what you've been given and work on it
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But I'm against a brick wall here. I've been working on this for months. I can't figure out why this thing does this this this this
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Well, you're gonna have to make it because that's the way it's done
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Did you have any look through or any
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Information shared your way either voluntarily or just by accident that had to do with
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Anything that might involve say DARPA or some of these okay, so very secret government programs that and I asked this because
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It's all our best guests out there how deep these guys are from a technological perspective like how many years ahead
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They are but yeah a lot of people I've spoken with you know
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Bit be at the intel community the military community they glued to these guys being decades ahead of us in technology
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Which could involve technology that's been reverse engineered from not of this planet
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But it also most likely involves a lot of technology that maybe is recovered from other countries or that we come up with and we just
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Tell me one about so in that 10 to 15% is it reasonable to say that it could be just technology that like our best physicists are secretly working
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And no one knows about yes, and I would say that we were hearing things that they would have breakthroughs every once in a while on something
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That's they've been working off for like 10 years and then finally somebody figured it out
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And that's kind of how it rolls when you you figuring it out on your own
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And yeah, we do have some very smart people that are that are able to figure stuff out and figure out things like you know
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Free energy and things like this
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However, there is this smaller group of exotic material is what I will call it
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That didn't seem to come from any known civilization that I know of
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Or anybody that I've talked to us an intel analyst so they could answer that that mail on that and a matter of fact
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Even the things on the uep test for a forum. There was things that people just couldn't explain
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Okay, but hypothetically that could be happening devil
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Obviously because they're so far ahead and they know something that we can't even yeah
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The way that I would talk about it in analyst terms is that there is a cadre
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There seem to be a cadre of both things that I was exposed to in the 90s and as well as people that have talked I've talked to since
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That claim that as exactly the case
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That you just described there's that this is a possibility that we're looking at a civilization. We don't even know
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Okay, so do you do you ever hear any credible reports that would suggest we're in possessive it intact craft yes
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credible yep craft not of this earth or craft that's just unidentified where it came from they didn't know
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Okay, it was from that's how they deemed it the I hate to say it, but it is a kind of a
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A stupid way to explain your logic is to just to go up to the front line or to the total line of
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Okay, it's not the Russians. It's not the Chinese. It's not us
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And instead of going to next you say um, well, then what is it? It's another no. It's unknown
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I won't say it. I want I'm just gonna tell you I don't know okay James. Here's what I want to do real quick
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Yes, I'm about to pee myself. So let's go take care of that
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Let's say a quick break when we come back
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I want to start from the beginning on Jason and we're and we're gonna come back to where we are right now
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Yes, well all that but I literally want to start from the beginning and get to know you like as a person and
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Where you come from what you're about and what happened in your career and how each desk happened like we've alluded to a lot of it today
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We have also checked your military record to see that what you're saying about where you were
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Is real? I also want to read what you just asked me to read about 10 minutes go James
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We never did on this report. It says his expertise referring to you Jason Sands managerial abilities and leadership qualities prompted a quote by name
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Unquote requests to fill a critical position in a sensitive required access program
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Which is what you were talking about so this is something that's classical
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They knew they knew me for some reason that something about me made them pick me okay handpicked
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Yeah, I got to show this to my buddy Matt Matt Cox who's like a brilliant con man
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I got to see if this is like good fraud or if it's real, you know
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Made you said you're an artist maybe you know the fine art degrees. I work right here. Harley. I
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I remind you're audience look at yeah smell that piece of paper and see how old that plays nice never intended to come forward publicly
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I blew his cover so yeah, let's watch at the very least I only have the right of a whole hell. I owe you a voice. Yes. Yes
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I owe that to you and that's what we all deserve. I get you're getting that's that's what we're gonna do right now
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So we'll be right back and then we're gonna pick up with Jason's full story. Yeah, it's very hard to handle and what we're so
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What it just just so the people have transparency out there because you have said this publicly what is it
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That you explain was the context with this as in you received an order from someone at some point that said
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You got to shoot this any child and I feel really uncomfortable talking about this because this is a credibility destroyer
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In my opinion and it really bothers me. I don't like that. I don't want to be connected to it. It's gonna bring me there for well there
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Well actually I've already told him that all right
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So so you're gonna make those claims I'm walking out the door. No, I'm not just sorry
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I could tell you it's already bad enough. Yeah, because right now we're treading a line where
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