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Roland Heitzmann says he saw a UFO and has part of the spaceship to prove it.
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KKL News anchor Chris Holmes from us here and Chris, you spoke with him about this.
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Yeah, it sounds like a wild story, but what's crazy about it is the federal government's actually
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investigating this case, which makes you wonder what's really going on.
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All right, so this man, Josepedia, he was nine years old back in 1945.
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When he says he and his friend witnessed something, they'd never forgets.
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He used to carry a suitcase with him.
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Well, offensive looking hat.
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87 year old Josepedia of Roland Heitz is recalling a brush with infamy he had as a boy.
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I used to see Robert Iberheimer.
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That Robert Oppenheimer and mastermind of the atomic bomb.
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Padilla grew up in San Antonio, New Mexico.
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Some 13 miles from where the bomb was first tested in 1945.
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Jose recalls seeing the dapur physicist frequently near the Albar,
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a local gathering spot still operating today.
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He had an office run behind the Albo bar.
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That office now a shack Jose has visited frequently in recent years to try to make sense of
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a series of events in the summer of 45, starting with the A-BOMB detonation at New Mexico's
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Trinity site near the White Sands Missile Range.
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I was drinking my chocolate milk on the occasion.
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When like a lightning showed up, the glow of a mushroom cloud could be spotted up to 150 miles away.
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It knocked me to the ground.
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A month later, Jose and a playmate were writing on his father's ranch and heard another boom.
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I told my friend, he must be another test from the bomb.
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And he says, no, he's not a bomb.
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Look at the smoke coming out of the ground.
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It appeared to be coming from an avocado-shaped aircraft.
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This is an artist rendering.
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All up at Soughton, three.
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Little, I would say, kids.
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They were kind of a sashing and running around in circles.
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He says they resembled extra terrestrials he's sent scene in the movies.
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They were up like us, but they look like a fire end standing up.
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Jose and I recently met up at a favorite spot of his, the Griffith Park Observatory.
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Did you have any fear of these creatures?
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I know, they had crouched at my father's ranch and they needed help.
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Over the following 10 days, Jose says the military cleaned up the wreckage.
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All he and his friend watched from a nearby ridge.
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I still here and put good.
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His buddy, Remi Baca, became a marine, moved to Washington State and worked in politics.
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Jose moved to Roland Heights and quietly raised a family.
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We had lost each other.
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The men were interviewed by investigative reporter and UFO researcher Paula Harris in 2012.
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Harris was investigating a claim by the son of World War II Army pilot William Brophy.
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The pilot's son told me the last missions of his father was to fly over that area and he said
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that when he flew over that he saw two little Indian boys on horseback.
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Harris believes those two boys were Jose and his friend.
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Though warned us to stay away, they returned to their viewing-ritch day after day.
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We were hiding behind cactuses.
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Jose says when soldiers took a break from cleanup, he and his friends entered the craft.
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The creatures were gone, but something else caught his eye.
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There was like a little diol.
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I took the part and he didn't my garage.
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Chemical testing in 2015 by Frontier Analysis based out of Ohio revealed that the artifact
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was composed of aluminum mixed with silicon and copper.
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Now that's a common metal mix found in engine parts.
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But the report went on to say that even though the isotopic ratios are terrestrial,
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an extraterrestrial source for the metals is not ruled out.
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No one knows what it is.
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What do you say to people who might think that you're crazy and the story is not true?
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Well, I've had a lot of people say that.
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It's actually very common to be called crazy.
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Jeffy Crypal is a professor of religion at Houston's Rice University
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and founder of the campus's Archives of the Impossible.
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Crypal calls Jose an experiencer.
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An experiencer is someone to whom something remarkable or extraordinary has happened.
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It's usually used in a UFO context.
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Stories like Jose's are far from isolated.
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There are tens of thousands of these stories.
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And they go back to Biblical times.
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In the Zekio chapter one, and the strange animals and the wheels within wheels.
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As someone who studies religion, I'm extremely interested.
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There is a phenomenon.
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And there seems to be a pattern.
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Jose's encounter happened one month after an atomic blast.
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There is a very strong connection.
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While Crypal is moved by stories like Jose's, he acknowledges the lack of physical evidence.
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Not only was testing on Jose's artifact inconclusive,
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there are no photos of actual encounters.
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It doesn't mean they didn't happen.
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It just means they're not a proper object of scientific inquiry.
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Paula Harris disagrees.
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Her book Trinity details what she calls compelling evidence, including
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It was a circular spot where nothing would grow.
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Her co-investigator on the book is Dr. Jock Vallet.
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He's a French astronomer who became famous after Steven Spielberg
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based a character on him in close encounters with the third kind.
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In the movies and in the stories of experiences, Professor Crypal says
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there's often a connection to nuclear weapons or environmental collapse.
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His theory about these encounters, I think we are the aliens.
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I think we're warning ourselves about these issues through this phenomenon.
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The most significant impact of Jose's story, a new start date for the federally funded UFO
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Under the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act,
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Congress pushed back the date on investigating UFO sightings from 1947 to 1945.
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That's all Jose has ever wanted.
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When he was a young kid, I wanted to learn and know what had happened.
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As he reflects on his childhood memory, Jose remains dead fast on this.
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The creatures, he says, were real to him and the craft they wrote in on
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He is not from this world.
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