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G'day and welcome back to Reality Check. I'm your host Ross Coulthard and today it's my honour to
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bring to Reality Check for the very first time the filmmaker who has probably done more than
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anyone else to elevate public awareness of the legitimacy of UFOs, UAPs as an authentic mystery
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worthy of intense investigation. Filmmaker James Fox is an English-born American filmmaker whose
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first UFO documentary was made nearly 30 years ago. He's done Out of the Blue, I Know What I Saw,
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The Phenomenon, Moment of Contact and The Program. That's his most recent one. They are brilliant,
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credible, factually driven presentations that stand out because they dared to take the UAP
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subject seriously. Now it's James's 2022 film, Moment of Contact, that brings him back here today.
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That film is James's investigation into the 1996 Virginia UAP incident, often called the Roswell
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of Brazil. Now James has just finished updating that film with major new evidence. I'm very excited to
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bring this to you today. He has explosive new details that we are going to tell you about today
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for the very first time. I caught up with James at Contact in the Desert way back in May and he whispered
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in my ear over a coffee about what he had in this film update and boy I've been waiting for months. He
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called me literally yesterday and said I've got it, I'm ready to go and I'm so excited that he's asked us
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to help lead out this film because it's very exciting what he's got. James has obtained an exclusive
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interview with a neurosurgeon who says he quite literally touched and telepathically communicated
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with what he testifies on the record to James was a live alien being held in captivity by Brazilians
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and then apparently handed over to the US military. James, I'm very excited to bring you here to Reality
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Check. Welcome, sir. Maybe we could start off by giving us a bit of a summary of what the Virginia
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case was all about. Thank you so much for having me on, Ross. I really appreciate it and I don't know
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if that was deserved intro but I appreciate it very much. So thank you. Well, let's see how far back I can
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go here. I was making my second UFO film in the late 90s out of the blue with a partner. It was
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probably circa 1999 and I'll remind your audience I was making my second documentary on UFOs and we
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were mapping out the film and we were going to cover Bentwaters and the Phoenix Lights and
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various other cases around the world and my partner at the time was a former BBC correspondent,
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Tim Coleman. He said, oh mate, we got to get this Brazilian case. It was absolutely unbelievable.
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These aliens walking around in the live. And I thought, I picked the wrong partner for this film.
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This guy's out of his mind. There's no way that happened. So I just want everyone to understand
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that's how I was introduced to this case. Fast forward over 10 years, I am, God, more than 10 years.
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Yeah, probably. Any case, I'm invited to Brazil on a separate account. I just finished a film called
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I Know What I Saw, which is a two-hour special for the History Channel. And I get invited to give a
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presentation in Brazil in a place called Peru Ibi, sort of the south of Sao Paulo. And Stanton Friedman
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is there. So I love Stanton Friedman and I respect him tremendously. He's the guy that, you know,
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thanks to him and a handful of others, we know about Roswell. So I'm there with Stanton and
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I'll back up a second. Right before I left, there was a very good friend of mine who was very high up
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in the entertainment industry, Jeff Sagansky. I'll use his name. He's fine with that. And he said,
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oh, James, you're going to Brazil. You have to look into that Virginia case. And I was,
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oh God, not this, please. But I had a lot of respect for him. And I said, Jeff, yeah, sure. I'll look
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into that for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll definitely do that. Click. And I said to myself,
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I'm not wasting one second on this case. So I fly to Brazil and I'm there at this conference
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with Stanton Friedman. And the topic came up. I think there was like a witness there or something.
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And Stanton looked at me and he said, oh, James, yeah, you don't know about the Virginia case.
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And I said, well, I know about it, but live aliens walking around in town, like, please.
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And he goes, not so fast. You know, there's a lot of very compelling firsthand testimony.
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So that was the impetus for me to say, okay, let me have a look. Let me poke around a little bit.
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And so the more I looked, the more I found. And here we are 16 years later. And we've got the most
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compelling, in my humble opinion, firsthand eyewitness testimony the world's ever seen.
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And if you, yeah, sorry, go ahead.
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No, I was going to say, so to kick off the events, would it be fair to say that
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probably the defining event that kicked this all off is the testimony of a pilot,
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Carlos de Souza, 13th of January, 1996. And he spots a cigar shaped object about the size of a
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school bus emitting smoke, losing altitude over Virginia. And he follows it to a field.
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What happens, James?
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So he was very early in the morning. He was an ultralight pilot. He was a history professor
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in Sao Paulo, Carlos de Souza. And he sees what this strange looking, perhaps it was a prototype.
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He didn't know. It was a cigar shaped aluminum, you know, colored very early in the morning.
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And it was clearly in distress. It had a big gash on the side. It had a vapor type smoke coming out
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the back, not typical smoke. It was like more like a vapor. And he thought, my gosh, that looks like
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it's going down. And he was right near what's called the Maialini Farm, which is roughly 10,
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12 miles outside as the crow flies from Virginia. And he drives off this freeway and he follows this
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dirt road up to what he describes as an impact site. He said he saw this thing struggling to stay in the
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air. It impacts the ground. Half of it stays somewhat intact and there's rest of debris over a very large
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area, larger than a football field. And does he see the craft crashed on the ground?
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Yeah. He sees it go down into the ground and then he lost sight of it, but he saw it go down and crash.
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And when he gets to that location, what happens? Can he get onto the site?
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Yes. So he arrives at the site with his car. He gets out of the car and he sees this. He said the
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smell was just so horrendous that he grabbed his t-shirt and he put it up over his mouth.
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It was like sulfur, like ammonia, eyes watering, very, very strong. He said it was so strong he could
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barely like tolerate it. And then he saw these lots of like little bits of aluminum. There was
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one piece of the craft that was intact that was about half of it, about half the size of a large
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school bus and lots of bits of debris of various sizes. And he said he picked one of the pieces up
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and he said it was as light as a feather. You couldn't really feel it in your hands.
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And he crumpled it up. And when he opened his hands, it took the shape back up again.
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Just like Roswell. And so he was just, but he wasn't thinking alien. He really didn't know what
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he was looking at. And then the military trucks rolled in from the military base Ezza from the
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exact opposite direction that he arrived.
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So he's absolutely categorical that the Brazilian military intervened, took over a site where
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what appears to have been an alien spacecraft has crashed.
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Does he see a body? Does he see any live beings?
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Nope. He didn't see any body. I did ask him, I said, was the remaining part of the craft
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large enough for beings? He said, yes, but I didn't see any beings.
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And do the military take the piece of metal that he picked up off him? Do they allow him to?
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Oh yeah. They, they came and gunned. I mean, they were telling him to leave, to leave, to
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leave, to leave. And then he was like, I'm just, you know, trying to help. And they took
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out their rifles and they threatened him. And that's at that point, he didn't, he didn't
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have the piece anymore. He got back in his car and left.
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Were there any American soldiers with the Brazilian military in that intervention?
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Not that he said no.
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So you've got an obvious crash. I guess in the sequence of events, the next event that
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has always intrigued me, by the way, I've got to show my personal interest in the Virginia
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case, James, and this is your fault.
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I've got a little, a little alien being from Virginia.
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That a guy, that a guy from the United Kingdom who makes models.
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Oh, you've got one as well, I suspect.
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Okay. I wasn't going to share this, but I, one too.
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We have something in common.
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I've had this in front of my audience now for months and nobody's picked up on it. So
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I thought it was time to reveal to the audience that I have an alien being in my seat.
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That's, that's, that's, that's really funny. Yeah. That's really great.
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But so let me, can I, can I just, I'm just interested in the sequence because I've always
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been struck. You've got that crash about 10 miles out of town. And then as I understand
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it on the morning of January the 20th, there's a couple who report seeing a damaged craft,
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which presumably is another different craft flying low over the city of Virginia.
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No, no. Okay. So that's, we made that much clearer in this cut of the film. And we also have
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footage that we've put together of, of, of such a craft. I know this is hard to, to, to grasp and
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wrap your mind around, but if the claims are true and the witnesses are to be believed, what we were
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seeing with the craft over Virginia was a, was a rescue operation. By non-humans.
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Yes. Because they all said, and I had a hard time believing that I interviewed a lot of people and
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they said, it was looking for something. I said, how do you know it was looking for something?
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Cause it was doing a grid search, slow and low and methodical going over, stopping back and forth
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for, for like a long time. So it wasn't a damaged craft at all. It was a craft that was,
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it was looking for its comrades. Nope. There were, so there were, now we have new witnesses on the,
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on the cigar shaped craft. We have the two farmers, Enrico. I'll think of her last name in a second.
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They both saw the same thing that Carl described, a cigar shaped craft with vapor coming out the back
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early in the morning, maybe two o'clock in the morning, something like this. We actually got a map
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and we figured out, okay, we have a sighting. We have, we have Virginia here. We have the farmers
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that see the craft here. We have another witness that sees the craft over here and it crashes.
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And it ultimately crashes right in the middle. It actually makes a lot more sense now that we have
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that. So we have new witnesses where he was in his farm. We, when we shot there and he said,
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he heard something very strange in the sky and he looked out the window and he saw this big cigar
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shaped craft making a weird noise, like it was in trouble and it landed on his farm. And that was,
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so we have that testimony now as well. Right. And so that's a completely different craft. Cause
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that's the thing I could never understand. How could the craft have crashed in on the 13th of January.
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And then a week later, people are saying they've seen the craft again.
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We don't know. No. So yeah, the craft that people have described was a disc shaped craft that we're
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doing as a grid search operation. Everybody talks about that. The, the monument over Brazil,
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sorry, over Virginia up at is a big disc shaped craft. That's the craft that people saw that was
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methodically looking. And I specifically asked all these witnesses, how do you know it was looking
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for something? They said it was low and it was going out, coming back, stopping, going out,
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coming back, stopping. It was clearly looking for something. And we really make that distinction
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this time in the craft because it's like, wow, that's, that's crazy. You know, do you have any
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intelligence James on how the, the, the craft that did crash the cigar shaped craft on the 13th of
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January, 1996, is there any evidence to suggest that it was attacked by us humans? As we now know
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is the case that the U S apparently has been using high pulse microwave weapons. And indeed in some cases,
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artillery to try and bring down these craft. I've thought about this for a long time, a long time,
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well over a decade. And I'm thinking to myself, all these witnesses described this craft as having
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this gash in the back, struggling to remain in the air and, and smoke. So it collided, something
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collided with it. Okay. Was it a meteor? Was it, uh, an asteroid or I don't know something. I mean,
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it collided with something, something hit it. So your guess is good as mine. I know that there
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have been orders over the decades of shoot first, ask questions later. Would it surprise me? It
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wouldn't surprise me, but I don't know because I don't, I, you know, the case goes somewhat cold
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when it gets on the American side, but the Americans apparently according to the Brazilians
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knew it was coming. Yeah. They'll get to that. I'll get to that. So in terms of our chronology,
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I'm trying to keep you to a good chronology on the afternoon of January the 20th, 1996,
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around 1 PM, three young women, sisters, Lillian, 14 years old, Valkyria, who's 16 and Katia,
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who's 22. They encounter something. What do they see?
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So I, my understanding it was about three o'clock in the afternoon and it was a very hot day because
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January is summer and, uh, they were, uh, taking a shortcut through like a little, it was a, it was
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an area of Virginia that was being developed. There were some construction sites and there was a cinder
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block wall and a little gate and they could go through this field and kind of cut across as a
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little shortcut. And all three of them were walking together. And, um, one of them said
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they saw like, uh, like some graffiti on the cinder block wall, which caught their attention.
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And they're looking at this graffiti and then they see what looks like maybe a statue or something
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slouched up against the cinder block wall. They're looking at it. They're getting closer and closer.
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Got within 10, 12 feet of it. And again, in broad daylight, all three of them. And this little
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creature that looked like it was feeble and suffering went from a crouched position,
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staring ahead to turning and looking them right in the eyes. And that sent one of the girls,
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I think it was, uh, uh, uh, Valkyria and her sister, uh, Liliani running, freaked out, like
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she said she screamed and ran and left Katya. So Katya is locked eyes on this creature and she's
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having telepathic communication with it. And Liliani and her Liliani, who I think was, was, uh, 16 and,
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and, uh, Valkyria was probably 14. Liliani realizes Katya is still back there. I got to go back. And
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they didn't know what that, she didn't know what that was. She left her sister and went, ran back to
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get Katya, but she was just locked eyes on this thing. And it was basically telling, I need help.
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It was feeble. It was scared. It needed help. And, um, she grabbed Katya by the hand and yanked her out
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of there. Um, and, and, and off they went and that exploded in the headlines. Now that's a, correct me if I'm
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wrong here, it's four to five feet tall. It's a hairless creature with oily brown skin. Yes. And,
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and crucially it, it had three head bumps, which. Yeah. It had like little, little lumps, three of
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them. Yes. So that, that's pretty much what, that's pretty much what they saw. And it's squatting like
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that, looking directly at that young girl. Now you've interviewed, you've interviewed the young
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girls, haven't you? Multiple, multiple times, multiple times. And they're adamant that this
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is what they saw. No, absolutely no question. They worked with a woman named Beto Rodriguez,
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who, who is a artist and, and, and they got together with her and they created that infant now infamous
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poster of, of the, uh, drawing of, of the creature. And they said it was, is, is exactly what it looks like.
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Cause I, I noticed that in the official debunk of the whole Virginia case, there's a claim made by the
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military and the Brazilian government that it was likely a homeless man named Madinho, who, who was,
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who was known for crouching in the area due to a mental disability. What do you say to that assertion?
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I've seen him. He's, he's a known character in the town. You, he's still there. Like I just saw him
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just a month ago and everybody knows who he is. Like he was like, you know, he was a pillar. Everybody
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knows Madino. It was like, it was just so laughable. Yeah, it was, it's absolute. Yeah.
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So with some certainty, you've got triple corroboration there from the three young girls, now women,
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and they're adamant that what they saw was clearly some kind of alien being, not a local homeless man.
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One thousand percent, one thousand percent. I mean, they just, they just cringe when you know,
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you hear that. And the, the girls are saying like, they don't know exactly what they saw,
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but they said it wasn't a human and it wasn't an animal and it had telepathic communication through
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the eyes. It was, it was not something of this earth is like, you know.
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Yeah. The thing I find fascinating, James, is a lot of our folk mythology talks about the devil.
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And isn't it interesting that they describe an Oleaginous figure that, that essentially could pass
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for devil like from our, our mythology. And, and it's, it's interesting because the story gets thicker,
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more intense later that day, there's a police officer, Marco Ely Chiresi,
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a young police officer. He, he actually reportedly captures a similar creature.
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Just a couple blocks away, couple blocks away, a couple hours later, just a couple blocks away.
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Is it the same creature?
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It, one would only assume that it had to be, it was like two blocks away, two, a couple hours later.
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What does he do with it? So, so, so it's interesting because Marco Ely Chiresi was military officer
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and Eric Lopes, also another military officer. They're both friends. Marco apparently was off
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for the night and they get this sort of, he gets an APB that, hey, there's something out,
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something really unusual out lingering to go capture, whatever this thing is. They didn't say it was an ET
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or it was something very unusual. So those were the orders given to, to Eric Lopes. Eric calls up his
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buddy who is off the night and says, hey, you want to join me? I've got this crazy mission of looking,
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you know. So, Marco Ely Chiresi jumps in the car with him and off they go. And they actually see
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this creature two blocks from where the girls encountered it just a couple hours later, running
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across the road. So Marco Ely Chiresi, without a moment's hesitation, just jumps out of the car and
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goes and grabs it. And in the process of grabbing it, and it didn't put up much of a fight, it was pretty
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feeble. And he put it in the back of the car and he got a little scratch under his arm and he had
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some weird oil on his skin. They go to one little tiny hospital, it was more like a clinic, and the
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doctor apparently came out and took one look and said, I don't know what that is, but you're not
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bringing it here. So then they go off to regional hospital and they drop it off at regional hospital.
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No, that's good. So you set this up perfectly now. Is this where Dr. Italo Vincerelli comes across to
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Exactly. Yes. Yep. So, we had, up until this point, we had testimony from a military officer who we found
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that he took a creature from Humanitas Hospital because it went from the first little clinic,
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didn't get out of the car. Then it went to regional, got out of the car, was delivered,
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taken indoor. In fact, I was just at regional hospital like two weeks ago and I went to the
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front desk, the main entry point, and I said, hey, you know, this incident, and they got a big plaque
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out front. This is where an ET came. It's all right out in the open. Nobody's hiding this story.
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And I asked the people at the desks coming into the ER, hey, have you guys heard? Oh, yeah. One of the
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people that was there that night still working here now.
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Are you kidding? And they said, the creature, no, I'm not kidding you. I swear to you. And they said,
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and they got a big plaque outside. I can share you a picture of it, talking about the events. But they
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took the ET in the back entrance. They said they did not come in the front, took it in the back.
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Did the person you spoke to, aside from Dr. Italo, did they also see the alien being?
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Good question. We only had 24 more hours for flying home. We got the details. We got the contact
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information of that individual that was there that night. Don't know, didn't have a chance to talk
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to them. Don't know if they saw that. That's what I love about this, James, is you've been coming and
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going from this city now for years. And each time you go back, you get more layers of factual information
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that corroborate what you originally uncovered. You got to hear, like, so now we have, for the first
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time ever, because we have this military police officer who we got to come forward and he drove
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a creature from Humanitas to Ezza military base and then Ezza Campinas. And that's when the Americans
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came in, right? So now for the first time ever, we have firsthand eyewitness testimony from the lead
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neurosurgeon still at the hospital who describes face-to-face contact with the
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live alien for four minutes. It's incredible.
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At this point, James, with your permission, we're going to roll the little sizzle grab you've given us
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from Dr. Italo Venturelli. Here's Dr. Italo.
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My name is Italo Venturelli. I studied in São Paulo. I did neurology, neurocirurgia. I did more than 5,000
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cirurgias. I just wanted to leave this message that I really saw.
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I saw. One day I went to see a patient, and it wasn't a patient, it was really a alien,
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it was clearly a alien. The crown was in shape of a bottle, the eyes were in shape of a bottle.
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I went to see a patient, thinking that it was a human. And I saw there a
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very wonderful world of a world that I don't know. I asked if he was suffering or not.
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If he was suffering or not. If he was understanding, he was understanding.
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He was very calm, very calm. He looked at me as if I understood everything I was thinking.
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I think it's nice to talk about this and explain to people that there are a lot more things than we imagine.
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For me it was very important to see, because I saw the imensity that this universe has,
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the universe, right? We're not just us here in this wonderful world, but there must be many others.
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And that being that was there is proof of it.
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What I love, James, about Dr. Italo is he's very open about the fact that this being touched him.
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He seems quite emotional about the experience.
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So, okay, I'll tell you how this came about, because it's extraordinary what happened.
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And we knew, we knew that the live alien was at regional hospital. We have people that we're in
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touch with over more than a decade that work at both hospitals that we meet privately with.
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Every time we go to Virginia, it's always quiet off the record. They come and there are certain
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secrets they talk about during surgery and only during surgery. So we knew, and from other
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testimony that that creature was at... So the other neurosurgeon who was on duty that night
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was his sort of protege. It was Dr. Italo and Dr. Marcos Vinicis. Dr. Marcos Vinicis did a little
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procedure on the creature. Apparently it had some damage, some swelling, something happened.
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Did a little procedure on the creature. And I don't want to go into too much detail because it's
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an ongoing thing. And then he had a heart attack and died in 2018. Okay. So now he's gone. And his
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partner, who's the lead neurosurgeon, Dr. Italo himself had a heart attack just a few months ago.
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And he's in the ICU staring at the ceiling, thinking that he was going to die. And he thought,
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I can't believe I'm taking this to the grave. This is not right. If I survive this, I'm going public.
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And then, yep. And so he said, I'm doing this for my grandchildren and I don't care what the
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consequences are. I don't care. That's what he said. That is such a raw act of courage. Those are
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the kind of whistleblowers we need, James. And full credit to you for persuading him to speak to you
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about it. I just take my head off to witnesses like Dr. Italo Venturelli for having the courage to
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come forward. Was he threatened not to speak? Oh yeah. So, so what happened was, and I want to
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send a shout out to Aline Kras, who's our lead translator and one of our co-producers. She has
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a very disarming presence and she calmed him and he snuck us into the back of the hospital, snuck us in.
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And we're going, what's happening? What's going on? He sneaks us into the ICU exactly where it happened.
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We get masked up because you can't be in the ICU without it. So we get all of our masks on. I don't
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know where this is going. And all of a sudden he just starts telling all. And, and it was extraordinary.
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And then the, the, the, the hospital staff caught us filming and what are you doing in here? You're not
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supposed to be, nobody has any permits, nobody, you know, so they kick, so they kick us out, but we'd
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gotten the, we'd gotten the goods. And he's like, I think I just lost my job. And so they kick us all
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out. So we leave the hospital and we go into a cap. We didn't know where we're going. We just went
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into a cafe next door and we're filming this cafe. We're all like magically crying. And I asked him
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how it felt after 29 years to come forward, what it was like, what it was like to look into the eyes
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of this creature. Tell me what it was like. I was dying to know. And he said it was a higher level of
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intelligence, so much higher, more advanced, even though that it was in captivity, it had control
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of the room way. He said an intelligence way beyond it was like an angel, but he describes his skin as
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more white with the big red eyes and the little horns exactly the way the girls described. And I
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just thought to myself, was that sort of a defense measure? Did their skin react to the hot sun
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when they're, when they're scared and free? I don't know. I don't know.
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So is this particular being damaged? Are they injured?
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Yes. Every being that I might understand. And here's an interesting thing is, is that I remember
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when I was first going to include a whole scene from Virginia in the phenomenon, right? So I was
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covering like Rua and Socorro and a number of other cases in the United States, and I was covering
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Virginia. And Dr. Roger Lear was adamant. It was like 2012, maybe 2013. And Dr. Roger Lear was just
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adamant about getting on camera. But at the time I had just flown, we'd rented this, this, this filming
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space in Los Angeles. And we had all these witnesses coming in from different corners of the world about
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the Africa case, Rua, Zimbabwe for the 20th anniversary, bringing those guys together. And I was
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hyper focused on that. I was dealing with Kenneth, Kenneth Arnold's daughter, Kim Arnold, getting her
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to go on camera for the first time, revealing all these incredible things about his experience. And
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then Roger, and I was backburnered Virginia for the time because I had my hands full, like
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working 17 hour days. And Roger Lear kind of got upset. And he says, well, if you're not going to,
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you know, if you're not going to film me, at least take my tapes. And so he gave me his tapes. And then I
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digitized them. And I don't know what the exact time span was, but I gave it back to him and then
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he died. So fast forward when I was producing the fun, I was because I ended up deleting all of the
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scenes from Virginia. I mean, it was a very painful day out of the phenomenon because I just couldn't
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squeeze it in. It was too much, too complicated, too complicated. We were still missing critical
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testimony. We couldn't find Sousa, like a number of other people. I said, okay, I'm going to make a movie
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on this case alone, the heck with the rest of it. And I deleted the whole thing out of there.
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So fast forward all these years later, and I thought, oh my gosh, I've got the Roger Lear
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tapes. So I went and found them. And then I bought his book and I'm reading the book.
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And I have this incredible encounter. And the tapes were basically a transcript of the book was
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a transcript of the tapes because I had the tapes. However, there was one scene where he's in
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Humanitas Hospital talking to doctors that worked on another, allegedly worked on another alien.
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And he gave this incredible description of his interview with these two doctors.
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And that was at Humanitas Hospital. But he talks about communication with this creature,
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like high level communication. It's phenomenal.
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So we're talking here, is this alien that you're talking about that was at Humanitas Hospital,
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is that a completely separate being from the one that Dr. Italo is saying that he was trying to treat?
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I believe so, but I don't know for sure. But I believe so.
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But the implications are, if this is all true and correct, that there are at least two bodies of
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alien beings, so-called biologics in the possession now of what will learn to be the US military or
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intelligence community? Yes. So I just, we also just interviewed the former chief of police,
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of the area all around as a military base. And we've been trying to get him for years. And we
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would just show up at his house. We just kept doing it year after year after year. And we finally got
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him a couple of months ago. And he says- Oh, is he the guy where you turned up and he was at a window
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on a house that was elevated above you guys looking up at it? And you were really worried you were
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going to get shot because he had a gun. Oh yeah. No, no. He said, I will shoot you. That guy,
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that's a different guy. I was P2 military police, but Pedro was the former chief of police. And it's
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like, we finally showed up at his house and we were going over there. Maybe it was like six o'clock
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and we were all in a kind of a hurry. We're trying to get, continue north to get up to Virginia. We had
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a lot of filming to do. And I said, Hey, let's stop and get some pizza. You know, and it was like,
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well, we got a job to do. And I just, I wanted to stop and get some pizza. We met this great
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restaurant owner, pizza. And we had pizza. We had a little wine. We had a great dinner,
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but it really like costs us a good 90 minutes. And so we were showing up at the former chief of police,
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Pedro, a little later than we wanted to. As it turns out, it was perfect because when we arrived,
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he had just gotten home 10 or 15 minutes earlier. So it was absolutely divine. Like it was perfect.
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And we eventually got our way into his house and then it's like, Hey, you mind if we take a couple
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pictures, you know, and they got the camera in there and then we got the audio going. And then
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he gave it, he's like, you know what? And he gave us an interview and he said
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that he heard that there were three. Wow. That's what he heard. Yeah. And he was, he describes,
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he saw one of them under a tarp that was probably deceased. He was at the military base as he describes
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all the helicopters and all the activity. He said he saw more brass that day as a military base than
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he's ever seen in his life. More brass. He talked about the brass. And so we got him to go on the
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senior officers basically. Yeah. Yeah. And so we got the former chief of police now for the first time.
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And, and the military officer, Marco Chavis, who died a couple of weeks after allegedly handling this
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creature, he dies. Well, the people that did the autopsy is IP, I think it's IPD to forensic
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pathologist, Dr. Giannini and Dr. Armando both went on the record for the first time for us on camera
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just recently and said, I've never, I did the autopsy. The guy that did the tissue samples,
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Dr. Giannini who founded the company, he said, I've never seen bacteria behave in the way that
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bacteria behaved. It's never before and never since. So just to remind our audience, this is the
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policeman, the military policeman who got a scratch under his arm when he was retrieving the body of,
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or the alien, the live alien and taking it to the hospital that night in the original 20th of
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January incident. And he'd got that scratch. It had become infected and developed an abscess.
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And so the pathologists couldn't help him at all. They couldn't treat him.
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Well, so he was treated in a number. And I talked to another doctor who also treated him
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just recently. He didn't go on camera, but we met with him privately. And he said,
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we threw the kitchen sink at him and there's nothing we could do. That bacteria was just
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the most resilient bacteria they've ever seen. Nothing reacted to it. And it killed him.
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Now, James, I just want at this point, because our audience may be sort of reeling from the number
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of people that you've cited here. There are multiple corroborative witnesses, people who saw craft,
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people who saw beings, doctors, military police. How many of these people do you think would be
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willing to testify publicly to an inquiry under oath?
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All of them. And I, I, I'm, uh, okay. So I can't go into detail right now, but let's just say that,
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that, uh, that, uh, I'm working with, uh, certain individuals in the government to make that happen.
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I'm very excited to hear it. Yeah. Cause I mean, I mean, the thing that blows me away about what
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you're revealing here, and there's much, much more to come is you've done layered quality,
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investigative journalism. This is not something that's easily debunked. You have corroborative,
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multiple corroborative witnesses supporting a consistent claim.
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I have a neuro, the head neurosurgeon of the runs the entire department at regional hospital today,
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willing to take a public lie detector test and testify that everything he's saying is true.
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And then there are other doctors that we're talking to now. Like we're in that.
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Did he lose his job because you did the interview or was it okay?
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Okay. It was tumultuous, but he was so in demand that they couldn't like, he's the lead guy. So
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they, they couldn't shoot themselves in the foot. So it's been rough is a bit of a rough ride with him,
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but he said to me, he goes, James, I don't care the consequences. The world needs to know
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this happened. This being that I encountered communicated with me telepathically. It was a
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highly advanced intelligence, way more than anything he's ever seen here on earth. He called it almost like
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an angel. And it was despite the fact that it was in, it sends chills. Like despite the fact that it
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was in captivity, it had control of the room. Now, one more thing I think you were asking me about.
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So he said it was, cause I asked him, how long did you spend? Did you show the trailer of the film yet?
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We're going to show the trailer at the very end. I'm going to tease the trailer at the very end.
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So I asked him like, how long did you spend with this creature? You know, I'm a,
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I always want to like, I want to experience the witnesses. I want so badly to be there in the
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room with them and know every detail. So it's just like putting me in that room with the E,
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what did it feel like, you know? And, and I get all those little just details. I want to hear it all.
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And, um, he said after about four minutes, he stepped out to do something in the military burst in,
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took the burst in, I think exactly what he said, burst in and took the bean and threatened everyone
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with secrecy and then left. So the being still alive at that point?
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Yes. The bean was alive and the military grabbed it and left.
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And this is the Brazilian military. There's no U S officers with that Brazilian military team.
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There are others claiming, excuse me, that they were in contact with Americans,
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but that was later, a little bit later.
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And do we know where the being was taken from the hospital where Dr. Italo had attempted to treat it?
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We, we, we, unfortunately, I know that the beans ended up at Eza and definitely Campinas,
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but I don't know. And then of course we have the flight control officer who said that the
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U SAF, which is the United States air force flight came in and it didn't have authorization from the
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Brazilian government to land and a higher level government official Brazilian walked in and said,
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let the plane land. So we put out a FOIA request for all air flights in America that came into Brazil
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from the 14th, I think it was the 13th to the 27th or something like this. And it took three years
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for our team to get that response. And it came back from the CIA. And it's like, basically it's a
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national security issue. It's classified and your, your, your, your, your request is denied.
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So let me get this very clear, James. Normally aircraft movements like that would be the subject
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of very little controversy and they would be released.
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One would imagine by what do I know? All I know is I asked it. I was told it was like
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national, it's in the film. You'll, you'll see it.
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So, so, you know, from a military source, an air traffic controller that a plane, a US air force plane
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came into the ESA military base. Very, very close to Virginia.
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They came to Campinas. Campinas. Whereabouts is that relevant relative to Virginia?
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Not that far. I would, I show it on the map in there. I, I'd have to say it's to the south.
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Maybe two hours, three hours south.
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pretty much south of Virginia.
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Your witness told you that US military helicopters were part of that deployment. Is that correct?
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Multiple military witnesses, multiple people. Yes. Yes. And even the chief of police described
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those helicopters just recently.
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Can I ask you this? This is what I never understand is I appreciate that the Brazilian
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government at the time and probably now is very close to the US military and the intelligence community.
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And for a large period of time, the CIA practically ran a lot of governments in South America and Central
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America. But why on earth would the Brazilian government have allowed an American retrieval team
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to fly in and take away what is probably the first definitive evidence of a non-human intelligence?
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You know, I asked that very question to, uh, I don't know if I should use his name.
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It's a, it's a name that you're familiar with. And he said, because they can.
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That's what he said. Yeah. We do whatever we want.
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Because the implications of this are that the Brazilian military and presumably other militaries
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around the world are colluding with the US military and covering this up.
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I mean, I was shocked. I was shocked when I found out America was involved. I had no idea when I started
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this investigation. None. I was, oh my God. And not only that, they were there intimidating witnesses.
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I have people on camera talking about it. Yes.
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So the US, the US was going around intimidating witnesses.
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Yes. Yes. You remember there was a whole family of witnesses. I, oh yeah. A whole family of witnesses.
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And you know, they saw the, what if to take their account at face value, right. They lived right near
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where the girls saw the creature and where the capture occurred. There was a disc shaped object
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quietly and silently and methodically maneuvering through the neighborhood low. And they watched it.
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He goes, I watched it for 30 minutes. The whole family did, and they all talk about it. And so,
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and then they said the Americans came and they, you know, they Americans with some Brazilians.
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And he said, maybe NASA, he wasn't sure if it was NASA. They didn't know, but he said, maybe NASA.
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And they were told, don't, you know, this conversation never happened. We were never here.
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There were other, the mother of the, of the two girls got the visit. That was like one of the first
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times, you know, from men in suits. And she's like, I don't know definitively that it was two of the
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Americans, but they looked like Americans. And then one that had a strong accent that spoke Portuguese.
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Didn't they offer her money?
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Offered her money to tell the girls to go public on TV that they were lying and they saw this,
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it was a dog or something other. Yeah. And the mother refused.
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Did the girls ever retract the story?
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Wow. And has the family suffered any retribution from anyone as a result of speaking up?
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They said that they've been mocked and laughed at. Yes. For, for decades, nothing to gain,
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everything to lose. This is not a career enhancing, you know, thing, especially back then.
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So you've actually got us officials, possibly not military, maybe intelligence,
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gaslighting and intimidating, bullying, threatening people to try and stop them from talking about what
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they saw. No question. And, and, you know, that was one of the first times where I really went all
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in on reporting on these so-called men in black or men in dark suits. I know it's got a lot of baggage
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that that term is used, but I also, and this individual is going to have to be completely
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nameless, unfortunately, and I can't even use it. But this individual claimed on the behalf of someone
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that we've heard of to fly into Brazil and get a piece of that UFO and fly it back to the United States.
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And this individual swore to me up and down. He did. He, the individual did it. Yeah.
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What's that? He was part of the, he was part of the retrieval team.
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All I know is that on the behalf of somebody that's pretty high up, he went and he brought,
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and he smuggled a piece of an alleged UFO. Didn't say that it was from that particular case,
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but the timeline is, would imply that it was of that particular case, but I don't know. But there's
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more stuff coming out. It's going to continue to come out. That's yeah. I just want to come back a
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little bit, James, because it's quite tragic. The story of the military police officer, Chirazi, who
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picked up the being and tried to get it medical treatment. Yes. His family, they've got the records
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and you've mentioned that the pathologists couldn't do anything for him. What kind of bacteria did they
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say it was? Was it known within human bacterial understanding? It was so I, we have, uh, just as of
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like a week or two ago, we got the full report with comments of the autopsy. And we're in the process
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of having them because our translator, it's very technical, but it was a variant of a particular bacteria
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that's never, that he's never in his life seen. And he's done thousands and thousands of biopsies.
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He said it was a variant, like it was an evolved bacteria that was resilient and was doing things
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that he's never seen do before. And that's important because one of the debunks on the
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Chirazi case that's been put out by the officials in the Brazilian military and intelligence community
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is that this bacteria was nothing unusual, that it wasn't an anomalous bacteria at all. You're
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categorical that the pathology records that you've newly obtained do verify that this was
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an anomalous bacteria. I have him on camera going into total detail about it just recently looking
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right at the camera. I'm the guy that did the tissue samples. I'm the guy that saw it. This is what I saw.
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I've done thousands and thousands of biopsies never before and never since. That's right now.
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I'm very excited to see this new film, James. It sounds like you've nailed down some great information.
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Can I ask you also about Dr. Italo's telepathic communications with the being? I don't want to
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take away from what you reveal in the film, but is there any more that you can tell us about what the
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being communicated to him?
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I said to him, I said, because I'm very curious, you know, when you looked in the eyes, because I
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always, everybody always says, when you look in the eyes, that's when it happens, you know? And so
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what happened when you looked in the eyes? Was there any kind of communication? And
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yes, yes. He said, yes. And then he said, which is speaking, speaking without speaking,
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which I thought was interesting, that it was calm. It was, it was relaxed and calm and communicating
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that, that it was okay to him. And, and there was, and the way he described it. And I, and I did another,
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just a couple of weeks ago, I did another full sit down, one and a half hour, extremely detailed
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interview with him with every possible detail I could possibly extract that I've yet to
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completely transcribe and put out into the world, but I will. And perhaps we'd do that with you guys.
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But where he goes into great detail as much as he can about it, but he said that it was,
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it was an elevated advanced intelligence. This is the way is the one thing that he said,
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he just, he'd never, there's nothing like it here on earth. It was.
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The other detail, I don't know if it was your documentary or one of the other reports I've
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read was that the whole hospital smelt of this ammonia. Yes. That, yes, that was, that was us. Yes.
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That was one of the guys at regional hospital. And it seemed to have been one of the deceased
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beans and the smell was just, and people that described the smell, even when the girls came in,
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in, in within 10, 12 feet of it, that smell lingered in that area. And the mother had come
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within minutes of, of, and the creature was gone, but the smell lingered in her nose. And they all said
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that the smell was really, really intense. And I don't know if that was, I don't, I don't,
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I don't know if that's, I don't know. I don't know if that was some sort of protective thing that they
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would extreme when they're scared and feeling threatened. I don't know.
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Isn't it tragic that the first contact with a non-human intelligence is, is, is so acrimonious
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that essentially a military agency is forcefully removing that alien from receiving the kind of
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treatment it needed to survive. I mean, it's horrible. I mean, I find the, the, the emotional
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and moral implications of what we're talking about here quite profound.
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Oh, believe me. I mean, I do too. And when, when I asked Dr. Icholo on camera, what it felt like
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after 29 years of this bottled up, he started crying. He just, you know, he's been sitting,
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like you imagine the weight of that on the shoulders. And he, he felt so much compassion
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for this being that was in captivity. He was so, he just, the love, the compassion, the
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elevated consciousness is what he said. He said, we have so much to learn from the eyes of that being.
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And yet for 30 years, it's going to be 30 years in January next year since this incident occurred,
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which is why the timing of your new film, your updated film is so important.
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The Brazilian government and military have persisted with the claim that this is all fiction.
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They've dismissed any kind of claims that extraterrestrials were recovered. They've
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classified the events as routine exercises. They said that the creature was likely this homeless man,
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Modino, that the military vehicles were for standard maintenance, not retrievals.
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They said that the, this is my favorite one. The hospital aliens were debunked as a dwarf couple.
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Yeah. Yeah. Seeking medical care.
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I heard that one too.
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They also said there was no evidence supporting alien bacteria causing Chirate's death, which.
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Yeah. Well, that's, you're going to, you're going to hear directly from the people that did the autopsy
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and studied the samples from this, from the founder of the company that did the autopsy.
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Yeah. And he said, Dr. Janini, and he said the same thing. I'm coming. I'm coming. I don't care. He's,
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he's older now. And he's like, this is what I saw and I can't explain it. And I've never seen anything
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like it before. And I've never seen anything like it since.
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Oh, God bless these people for having, and there are other things there. There are other things like
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we're contacting the lead general who's now retired and that we are actually engaging with this general
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right now. And this general.
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That was my next question is, I mean, there's obviously been political change in 30 years.
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Brazil has become a slightly more progressive society. The government's a bit more open minded.
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What is, is there any likelihood of military officials opening up and telling more about what they know?
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So there's a lot more, a lot more going on behind the scenes. There are members of, I think it's parliament,
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with senators that are reaching out directly and indirectly for possibly hearings in Brazil.
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Um, there are efforts going on internally, uh, about meetings in the United States. Um, there are
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doctors that are deciding, you know, contemplating joining Italo coming forward. I had meetings just
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recently with the whole inner circle of, of those doctors and the people that run those hospitals. So
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this is, in my opinion, I think this is the beginning of the beginning. So I, I could, could I be wrong?
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I could be wrong, but I don't think so. There's a movement happening unlike anything I've ever seen.
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And it's not just on Virginia. I, I think people have realized that to some degree, Congress isn't
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going to take the initiative. It has to come from people who've had direct knowledge and experience,
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which is actually, this is probably a good time to promote it. And we'll do it at the end, James.
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If there are people, military personnel who were part of the retrieval operation,
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who want to speak to you confidentially and exchange information, how can they get information to you?
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That's great. That's a great question. Thank you so much. I, I have a, um, Proton email and I'll give it to
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you right now over the, uh, it is moment of contact at Proton.me moment of contact at Proton.me.
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And we'll be very mindful of any national security issues or secrecy or whatever the request is.
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Clearly there are people who are operating under TSSCI top secret compartmented clearances who are
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forbidden from speaking about this. And this is something that when you went to Washington, you've
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also in this moment of contact film, you've also gone to Washington DC and covered the congressional
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hearings where multiple witnesses have given evidence of what they know, what they saw.
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One of them is Dr. Eric Davis. He's a friend of both of us. He's an astrophysicist. He's been heavily
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involved in investigating paranormal UAP phenomena for many decades. He worked with Robert Bigelow at the
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National Institute of Discovery Science. He was part of the BASS investigations, the federal government
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funded investigations into the subject. This is what he told you in this exclusive interview.
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Where's the proof? We have alien spaceships in our possession. We have bodies. Where and why can't
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I get the specifics to verify those claims? If the president of the United States issued an executive order
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that absolves me of all of my TSSCI NDAs. NDAs are non-disclosure agreements. Those are the agreements we have to sign for
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every compartment in our SCI clearances. So if the president waives or absolves my obligation to those NDAs, and I get subpoenaed by Congress,
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somebody on Capitol Hill, some committee either in the Senate or the House or the both, to reveal everything I know that I learned from my investigations, both unclassified and classified, into the legacy UAP, crash retrieval, and hardware reverse engineering and NHI programs, I would do so.
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If I could be waived from that or absolved in some fashion by presidential order, and if Congress subpoenas me, yes, I would go and tell them everything I know.
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Dr. Eric Davis makes it very clear there, James, that he knows stuff. He, as you know, investigated the claims that there was this legacy UAP, NHI, non-human intelligence,
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craft retrieval program, craft retrieval program, and he became aware, he's testified before, that there has been this ongoing reverse engineering program.
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What he's saying, though, is very significant, because he's essentially saying, if the president, if Donald Trump was merely to say, you know, overnight,
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I can waive those secrecy orders, I can waive those NDAs, he, Dr. Eric Davis, and presumably many other witnesses could come forward.
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So how significant is Eric Davis's comment?
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It's extremely significant. And, you know,
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I ask them those specific questions because
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I feel the frustration among the community, among people that have seen, for instance, you know, Dave Grush, Dave Grush back in 2023,
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making these extraordinary claims and not really providing publicly the extraordinary evidence needed to verify those claims.
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So I'm constantly thinking as a filmmaker, a documentary filmmaker, how to address those issues.
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Okay, so you've got someone with all these clearances and you sign NDAs.
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How do we circumvent that? So I've been asking a lot of people like Eric Davis,
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would you be willing, provided under the right circumstances,
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we make a plea to President Trump,
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whoever the president is, the president of the United States,
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wave the magic wand, provide immunity, which they can do immediately.
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Would you testify under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers
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and give the details needed to verify the claims? And they're all saying yes.
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So let's do it. And if there's nothing to it,
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then hey, you got nothing to hide.
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And I can tell you, James, I know multiple people who would fall over themselves to come forward like that.
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They're patriots, so they're never going to breach their secrecy oath unless they're authorized to do so.
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Some of them have actually given evidence in confidence to the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence privately in a skiff.
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But they really want the public to hear their evidence.
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And at the moment, we seem a bit hamstrung because Congress isn't passing the disclosure laws that would allow the protection of these whistleblowers to allow,
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particularly contractors, government contractors, not military employees,
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but government contractors to feel safe about coming forward.
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You imagine it's like, OK, there's nothing to see here.
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Fair enough. Pass the bill.
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Well, the disclosure, you know, UAP Disclosure Act, like pass it.
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Do you think, James, from your knowledge of what's going on,
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do you think President Trump's been got at on this issue?
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Or do you think, as J.D. Vance, the vice president,
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indicated just very recently in an interview with Miranda Devine, I think her pod force one,
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he admitted that he's actually interested in the subject matter,
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but that they've been distracted by so many other issues.
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But they're going to.
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So I'm only speaking from personal experience.
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I've interviewed Carter and Ford and indirectly President Clinton.
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And they all basically said that they made inquiries into the UAP or UFO phenomenon
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and were not happy with the answers they were getting.
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So it's extraordinary to think that the president, the commander in chief of the United States,
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could get an intelligence community to basically steer him away from, you know, any information.
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However, I think we're living in different times now.
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I think there are enough people talking about it.
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We've had four congressional hearings in the last several years.
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The implications, global implications are so profound that I think creating the right circumstance
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and really making a plea to the president, I think he just might do it.
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I mean, I must confess, I do think it's time for the public to actually see what these witnesses all know.
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I mean, there are witnesses who want to come forward with direct evidence.
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I mean, I've actually spoken to people who've touched these craft, James.
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That's why I'm very sure that the legacy program is a reality.
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And what's stopping them is these top secret SCI clearances that require them to keep it confidential,
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even to lie about it if they're asked about it publicly.
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So I think the president really is.
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The ball is now in his court about whether or not he wants to be open about it.
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That's one of the reasons why I put the quote from Eric Davis at the end of the movie.
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I want the world to see, like, these people are willing to come forward, wave the magic wand, provide immunity,
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and we will give the details needed to verify these claims.
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You can't say no to that.
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If there's nothing to hide, give them immunity.
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So, James, obviously your film's coming out.
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When will your film be coming out?
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We don't have an exact date, but we will soon.
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But essentially the 30th anniversary of the Virginia incident is in January next year, 2026.
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Yes, the film will come out just before that.
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Let's take a look at your trailer, which we're now going to show exclusively here on Reality Check.
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Have you been exposed to undeniable confirmation of a non-human intelligence craft?
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There is something out there, and we should know as the people what it is.
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Do you believe that the federal government is knowingly concealing evidence about UAPs from the public?
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When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?
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Non-human, exotic origin, vehicles that have either landed or crashed.
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For the first time in history, the names of alleged companies and gatekeepers analyzing recovered alien technology are being exposed.
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Aren't any of you willing to name specific individuals?
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For decades, we've heard allegations of the retrieval of objects of alien origin.
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In 1933, some disc-shaped object crashing.
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It was not anything from this earth.
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A UFO crashed in Kingman.
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Didn't drop out of the sky.
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It had to come in on an angle.
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The feeling I had during the encounter was like no type of aircraft I've ever seen before.
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It's a crash retrieval.
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And there's alien bodies.
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But one of the most well-documented UFO crash retrieval cases involving live aliens took place in Virginia, Brazil.
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There's a crash vehicle.
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Well, two extraterrestres were captured.
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After that, they were taken to hospital.
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I'm Carlos de Souza.
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And in 1993, I was a creature inside.
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I went to the place where the general of the brigada told me that it was a national security issue.
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He died there. It's a good one.
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It was made to see. It was a charuto.
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The other thing I didn't even know was to get the ball.
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They took it to the camp and the campers.
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They took it to the United States.
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Now, for the first time in history...
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I've never seen a guy like this.
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We have the most compelling first-hand testimony.
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Without any problems, they would have suffered a very serious attack.
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...of communication with a live alien in captivity.
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The eyes were like a bottle of water.
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How much time did he spend with the alien in the room?
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Wow James that trailer is extraordinary doctor Italo Cloneolkin Vacorelli.
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He oozes credibility.
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You know Dr Italo is willing to put his right hand on a Bible
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and take a public lie detector test tomorrow.
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and take a public lie detector test tomorrow.
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He has everything to lose and nothing to gain,
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and he's not coming forward anonymously.
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Well, I would love to see him
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and so many of these direct witnesses
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that you've found in Virginia
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come forward to both the Brazilian parliament
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and give their evidence in open public hearings under oath.
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Yeah, there's things going on behind the scenes right now
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to facilitate events like what you're talking about.
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And let's hope that President Trump
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or someone close to him,
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maybe Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State
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and the acting National Security Advisor
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who does have a strong interest in the UAP subject
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and has admitted that this is a subject
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that needs to be taken seriously.
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who indicated very recently in another podcast
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that he was also interested in the UAP issue.
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Maybe we can see some leadership
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from the new administration
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and show some guidance to the public
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about what's really been going on.
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James Fox, thank you so much
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for bringing this extraordinary story to Reality Check.
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Where will people be able to watch Moment of Contact?
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Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Fandango, Google Play.
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I'll be making announcements in the upcoming days and weeks.
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And just to remind people,
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if you have any hot tips you want to give James Fox,
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the email he gave us earlier is
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momentofcontactatproton.me.
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And of course, you can always contact us here
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with your queries or tips
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at realitycheckatnewsnationnow.com.
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And of course, this show will not just be available on YouTube.
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We'll be giving it a plug, of course, on News Nation,
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but we'll also be airing it on all of the podcast channels,
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including Audible and Spotify.
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Great to talk to you, James.
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Thank you so much for being with us here on Reality Check.
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And best wishes all.
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I appreciate being on.
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Thank you so much, Ross.
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