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Well, what really happened to Malaysian Airlines flight MH370?
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10 years ago, Malaysian Airlines flight 370 disappeared on radar March 8, 2014, while
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flying from Koala, Lampor, international airport in Malaysia to its planned destination
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Of course, it never arrived.
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There were 227 passengers on board, 12 crew members at the time.
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It's hard to believe to my brain that 10 years have now passed, and we might finally have
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some pieces of information, some leads as to what caused this disappearance.
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Ashton Forbes is a citizen investigative journalist, has in many ways devoted his life to figuring
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out what happened here.
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And we decided to invite Ashton on the show to present some of this new evidence, provide
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And it seems like for a lot of us, maybe this is a story that has just disappeared from
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our own collective memories.
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Ashton, welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Clayton, for having me.
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I'm happy to be here today.
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Well thrilled to have you, and it's just hard to believe that it's been 10 years, and
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I remember it was a Saturday morning for me in the United States, and we were just
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going on the air on Fox News.
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I did the weekend show, Fox and Friends, and my co-host at the time, Tucker Carlson, we
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were in the green room, we were getting coffee, we're having, we're preparing for the show,
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and we couldn't believe that the story had happened.
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Well, if Fox News learned, we now know missing Malaysia Flight 370 was deliberately diverted,
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and today the investigation turned to the crew and passengers aboard that plane.
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All right, we're back now with the Fox News Alert.
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Investigators are moving the search for that missing airplane from land, from sea to land.
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Some uninhabited islands.
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Which begins with these some hundreds of islands off the Ataman and Nicobar islands.
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How could this thing have evaded the radar?
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I mean, we have stealth aircraft for just such an occasion, but you're saying there's
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no radar out there anyway.
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It's one of those stories that he and I still communicate about many, many years later,
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and it's an unbelievable story, and we knew at the time something seemed really fishy
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about the whole thing.
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This was not just a lost craft, something deeper was going on here.
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I'm curious before we get into the nitty gritty, it compelled me to be so fascinated about
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What compelled you about this story to really dive so deeply into this?
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I think I had a similar experience that you did 10 years ago.
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I've always been interested in plane incidents in general, because I've had a fear of flying
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my whole life, even though I've done it a lot for my job.
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And the MH3700 situation was very unusual.
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You could tell right away there was a lot of obfuscation over what was happening.
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When a plane goes missing, you would think that the information would be made publicly
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available right off the bat, especially if there was a chance there might be people on
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a raft somewhere in the middle of the ocean looking for help and rescue.
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But instead, we were told that this plane disappeared over the South China Sea, and then
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days go by and all of a sudden they go, oh, well, we had radar of this plane turning
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back and flying over the peninsula of Malaysia and then going to the Malakas straits in the
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Andaman Sea, which is on the west coast of Malaysia.
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And they had been searching in the South China Sea for several days.
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So I thought this was very unusual.
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I remember vividly how no one really knew exactly where this plane disappeared, that if
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it crashed, where did it crash, and then people criticized the Malaysian government heavily
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for their choices that they were making in terms of potentially doing the wrong things,
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not sending up jets to track the plane.
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The lack of information was coming out.
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The families of the victims were all freaking out.
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Some of them were getting arrested.
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They were screaming and the press conference because they knew something was wrong.
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They knew they were being lied to out there.
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So I was never comfortable with the narrative and story that had come out.
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Eventually, this pilot's suicide narrative began to form about four or five days after
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the plane disappeared.
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They said that this plane went to the Nicarbar Islands, Andaman Sea, and then took a sharp
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turn in the South Indian Ocean and flew for five or six hours in the South Indian Ocean,
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and then supposedly crashed down there.
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Now the problem I always had was even before I saw the MH370 videos was that the United
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States government had to know more about what happened to this plane than they were leading
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Because we are the most powerful nation on earth.
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We've got surveillance apparatus in the sky, in the oceans, radar apparatus.
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It just didn't quite add up to me.
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So that's how I kind of got curious about the situation in general.
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What organization would have been in NORAD, which would have known the precise location
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of this craft that the United States government would have known specifically about that?
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I remember at the time interviewing experts who said, you know, we would have known where
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these craft were at all times, monitoring these things around the world.
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So is that the organization that would have been responsible?
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So I've learned more about our surveillance apparatus than I ever thought I would in
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We have a satellite system called Sibbers, the space-based infrared system.
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People have actually been talking about it pretty recently now as well.
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We uncovered everything there was to know about this system produced by Lockheed Martin,
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essentially scanning the globe all the time.
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We've got six or seven Hubble Space Telescopes and Geosynchronous orbit constantly scanning
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the earth as well as they've incorporated mid-earth orbit and low-earth orbit satellites
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into this constellation.
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This is not as simple as like the movie Enemy of the State where you're just looking
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down through satellites anymore.
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They have capability to scan basically the entire planet and relay that information to ground-based
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computers, which can then produce what we've deduced to be like a Google video playback,
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Google Earth video playback type situation that they have capability for, which essentially
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means that there's no privacy at all anymore.
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Now, the National Reconnaissance Office and the National Geospatial Space Agency would
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be the ones that are primarily in charge of this system.
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But we've also found stuff like the SOCIS system, that Titan sub that popped down over in
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the Atlantic Ocean near the Titanic.
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We found out that there was a system there that they admitted that they had heard that
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Titan sub pop and they lied about it for five days while all the major news stations.
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Remember, we're talking about the oxygen and what I mean, that's a tiny sub that only
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We're talking about a plane on the sides of a city block that holds up to 300 people
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crashing into the ocean.
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That system should have heard Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 crash and there was acoustic
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systems as well in Diego Garcia and one off the coast of Australia that should have also
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But then we also found out about the radar systems.
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So not only should four different countries have seen this plane on radar, Thailand, Indonesia,
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India and the Nicaragua Islands as well as Australia's Jordan system, which is a very advanced
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They all should have seen it.
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But then there's also three military bases, a minimum that should have seen it.
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There's a Coco Islands signals intelligence base that the plane would have flown right
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Diego Garcia military base and Pine Gap, which is another American base in Australia, both
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have been reported to have radar capabilities that could have tracked the plane from take
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off to supposedly crashing.
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So to me, this is just absolute proof that the United States government knows whatever
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happened in this plane they know for sure.
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So can you let's rewind it a little bit here.
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What is the official narrative?
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Again, we still don't know what caused the disappearance, at least officially, right?
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You could go on Wikipedia, which is an awful website, but the official Wikipedia entry
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is sets out a certain narrative.
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Can you just give our audience at a high level?
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Where are we currently stand with like what the official record of this crash or disappearance
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Yeah, the official report is actually they don't know what happened to this plane.
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And that's I think one thing a lot of people realize that because the narrative that's
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become the prevailing narrative is this idea of a suicidal pilot.
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Now the problem with the suicidal pilot narrative is there's actually no evidence whatsoever
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for a suicidal pilot.
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The officials are going to come from where did that come?
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I remember talking about this, the idea that there was there was radio back and forth
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and him saying something like, goodbye.
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Good night, I'm H370.
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People have tried to warp that to say that he was under stress, but if you listen to
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it, there's no stress in his voice and that the officials have ruled it out.
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The we traced it back to actually I believe was a New York post article by Jeff Wise,
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which is interesting because he's also the guy who's featured on the Netflix documentary
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where he was vilifying Blaine Gibson, the guy who supposedly found some pieces of the
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And this narrative after he posted it out there got legs, people started running with
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But I don't think people realize that everybody has ruled that out.
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The officials have ruled that out.
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The wife supported him, the co-worker supported him.
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People think that there was this simulator data that was found.
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FBI has ruled that out.
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Experts that I don't even agree with in general have ruled out the simulator data.
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Turns out that that was just MH150 from Qual and Porta Getta.
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And he was actually scheduled to fly that route the next day.
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And they've gone ahead and tried to, you know, the narratives out there have tried to
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say that this somehow matches the route that the plane took and it doesn't.
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It's just somewhat similar as it goes over the Andam and C.
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So there's a lot of misinformation out there that people have absorbed and kind of now
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built into this narrative of this pilot suicide.
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But if you look at the flight path, there's no indication of suicide whatsoever.
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Like if you are suicidal, you just crash the plane.
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You don't turn the plane around when it goes dark.
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You don't fly to the nearest airport that you could go to to land a 777.
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You don't try to avoid radar flying around Indonesia.
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If you're suicidal, you don't care about any of these things.
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It's pretty clearly an emergency event situation just given the flight path alone.
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Maybe we just look at now.
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So we have the pilot, no suicide.
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Was there some other piece of this, passengers, I'm sure going through the flight manifests,
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the crew members have investigators have you managed to pull the strings on all of the
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pilots, the other crew members, the passengers on board, any anomaly stand out from the crew
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And there are actually.
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So there's two different factors that I think are certainly a play here.
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One is that there was two fake passengers using stolen passports that changed their identity
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to look more like the people that were that they stole the passports from or that they
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bought the passports from.
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The story that's out there is that they were refugees that were trying to get to Amsterdam
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by somehow flying from Qualmpur to Beijing.
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None of it really makes any sense.
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This was admitted to, for about a day or two and then brushed under the rug and they never
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looked back at it ever again.
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If you have a situation where a plane is flying rogue and we don't know what happened to it,
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suspects number one and two should be the two fake people running on fake passports on
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So it blows my mind that this was just ignored.
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And then we also have 20 free-scale semiconductor employees onboard this plane, which is way
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And these were important engineers and scientists that were onboard this plane from free-scale
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Company gets sold the next year to NXP semiconductors.
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They were connected to US aerospace and defense.
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We found a 2005 national security agency report on the commercial emergence of room temperature
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superconductive microchips and free-scale semiconductors was listed nine times through
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It even mentions that this technology relates to these microchips which are used in quantum
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computers that are used for AI, etc.
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Could be available by 2010 or 2012, but only if the US government were to invest money
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So to me, I look at this and I go, I'm already starting to think there is an espionage
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angle here where we've got fake passengers running on fake passports that are spending
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tens of thousands of dollars to fly the Beijing, which is not even on the direction to Europe.
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And then we've got these 20 free-scale semiconductor employees who are all sitting next to each
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other whose company should have been flyed because that's way too many people from one company
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My company only allows us to have like two or three people on the same company on the
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And some of them even had their whole families with them.
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This is where I'm going.
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You're flying a Beijing for a week.
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You work for an American company, 12 of them are Malaysian nationals, eight of them
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are Chinese nationals.
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And you're bringing your whole family with you.
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It's already starting to smell a little bit rotten to me.
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So rotten how, I guess that's where we move into the why.
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Because, okay, so we have those two Iranians acting with fake passports and then you have
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all of these family members of this manufacturing and technology company onboard.
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Why do you think that they were traveling together?
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Do you have you piece that or is it still speculation at this point?
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Yeah, I think the narrative that makes the most sense given the totality of the evidence
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at this point is, as I mentioned, one of espionage.
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And I think that we couldn't have figured this out without the videos because what we see
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happening here is potentially that we have people defecting to China with intellectual
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property from the American company.
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Perhaps China had some leverage over the eight free scale semiconductor employees that
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were Chinese nationals.
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If you look into free to semiconductors in general, you will find that the stocks of semiconductors
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have skyrocketed, especially over the last few years.
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I mean, just look at an end video over the last six months.
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So one big aspect of the MH3700 videos is the idea of superconductivity, room temperature
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In my mind, this is the fundamental requirement in order for us to achieve anti-gravity and
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additional advanced technology that we consider as high science.
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I think that we've had it figured out for potentially decades.
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And this company, like free scale semiconductors, I think you could call free scale superconductors.
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And if they had some component like those microchips that was just mentioned that could allow
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for magical technology that is essentially a super weapon capability type of technology
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that allows you for absolute militaries of permissive the planet, then the narrative
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here that makes the most sense is the United States government is preventing China from
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getting access to this technology.
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Because whoever controls this controls the world.
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And the idea is that these individuals were working for an American company that were somehow
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defecting, bringing this information to China.
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That's I think the hardest it is to believe that makes the most sense.
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And if you go back to what we talked about right away in terms of the weird obfuscation
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that happened right away about what happened with this plane and why it seems like a cover
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story was being developed at that point.
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And one of the strongest narratives was this idea of a hijacking scenario.
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But you're old enough and maybe a lot of the audience are old enough to remember 9-11
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in terms of this idea that they had a very low tech hijack where people stole those planes
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And I think that if you have this scene much more complicated in terms of the flight
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path, there was they didn't crash into buildings that we could find.
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It was very it's very difficult to make a plane disappear and go dark.
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But if it's a state actor pulling it off, then it actually it becomes much more plausible.
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Even though it seems more like something out of a movie, but I think that the United
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States government, China and potentially even Russia might have this type of maybe
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able to have this type of capabilities.
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And then it's just a question of narrowing down who our suspects are.
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So the reason why we can rule out Russia, I believe, is that and I think Jeff Wise,
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actually the person I just mentioned with that Russia actually did hijack the plane.
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I don't think they are quite as capable as China or the United States are in general.
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And we wouldn't have covered it up.
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You know, the United States could think controls the Western media.
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And if Russia had taken this plane, I think we would have been able to pin it on them.
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So that's the main reason why I ruled them out.
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So there's a lot of radar systems that have just planned flew to Russia.
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They would have all seen them.
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China, the reason why I ruled China out is that they hacked the Malaysian government on
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And they stole the crisis meeting minute notes of MH370 and classified information about
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To me, that's a strong indicator that they knew something was wrong, that they knew this
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plane didn't crash because they have their own satellites.
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And they wanted to know who took it or find out information about who took the plane.
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They also released satellite images a few days later that were reported in Western media
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as having been debris in the South China Sea.
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If you look at those satellite images, you're going to see three objects in a triangle formation
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around something else.
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Looks very, very similar to the MH370 videos.
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In my mind, that was China sending a spy craft type message to the United States, potentially
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saying, we saw what you did, or saying, we give up, you got us.
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So, yeah, mechanically, then, where do we last know that we have a signal of the ship appearing?
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Where was the precise location where it went dark?
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So, and I think this will help for the audience as well because, you know, going back, it
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was very, we had no idea exactly where this plane disappeared or what happened to it.
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The plane was flying to the northeast from Qualumpur to Beijing for about 40 minutes, and
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then it goes dark in a weak point between radar systems, our country's radars in the
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And then it's being tracked by military radar, turning around, going back towards pinang
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Again, the closest airport that you would go to an emergency situation by Malaysian
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Then it takes another turn after pinang.
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It doesn't land a pinang for whatever reason.
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We've speculated a fire event happened on this plane, related to 487 pounds of lithium
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ion batteries, very dangerous cargo to have in the forward cargo bay right next to the
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And then for whatever reason it doesn't land there, it turns and goes into the Straits
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Now, it deviates its direction a little bit, heads towards the Nicarbar Islands.
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Now the official are the news reports the next day, or the same morning when the plane disappeared.
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So that this plane lost contact with subang air traffic control at 1840 UTC.
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They later changed this to say the military was tracking it until about 1815 or 1815 or
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1822 UTC, not quite at the location where they then later argued that the plane turned
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into the South Indian Ocean.
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Now interestingly enough, at 1840 UTC, this is the time in the Nicarbar Islands, where
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they claimed this plane made a sharp turn into the South Indian Ocean and then just flew
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for like five hours straight until it supposedly crashed down there somewhere.
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This is also the location of the Nicarbar Islands around 1840 UTC that we've pinpointed the
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location of the MH370 videos happening.
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And there's even a witness there named Catherine T who saw a glowing orange plane at low
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altitude descending with smoke coming out of the back of it.
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And we were able to determine from this that the glowing orange plane was because of a
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bromine, which is a halogen gas from a chemical reaction of the Halon 1301 fire extinguishing
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devices that would have been permeating throughout the plane, putting out the fire in the cargo
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bay for a little bit over an hour.
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This is also corroborated by a Chinese only made a call.
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It was intercepted from the Thailand embassy that was supposedly from MH370 of the plane
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disintegrating in an attempt to emergency landing.
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So we have corroboration from a made a call that was only reported by China.
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We have a witness who was in a boat who saw the plane in the location where the plane
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supposedly turned into the South Indian Ocean and we have two videos also corroborating
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So that precise location again is where all of these things converge is over the Nicarbar
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And the way we know this is there's actually coordinates in the MH370 satellite video.
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And the bottom left you can see that it says NROL22, which is the first National
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reconnaissance office launch of the cyber system in 2006.
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The coordinates change when the perspective of the video changes.
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And this tells us a couple things.
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It tells us that we're not looking directly through a satellite because if we're looking
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through a satellite and the satellites moving, those coordinates would be moving in real
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But they only move when the person moves the video screen around.
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Now this is going to be consistent with if you were using some type of Google Maps, Google
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Earth type situation.
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We were able to map that out and graph it out.
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And I initially had assumed that maybe there was a minus sign in front of it in which
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case it would have put it in the South Indian Ocean.
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But when we graphed it out, we found that if it was in the South Indian Ocean, the plane
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would have been going north into the east.
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And that was impossible because in both videos, the plane is turning left.
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And if you're going north into the east, you'd be turning right.
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So we were able to determine that this coordinates, the plane must be moving, flying south into
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the east in the videos and the location must be the Nicarbar Islands of the same location
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where Catherine T. saw the plane.
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So now if we have that location where we last saw the plane, do we have any debris that
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was recovered that's been authenticated that this may have crashed near the Nicarbar Islands?
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Yeah, so there is the best debris that would argue for the Nicarbar Islands location is
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actually a B777 fire suppression device that washes up in the Maldives that has, looks
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But if you look at it and compare it to the fire suppression device as an B777, it's
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It's a circular metal device with tubes coming out of it.
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And the only way it could have washed up in the Maldives is if it was empty.
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If it was full, it would have sank.
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And this was reported on as a bomb and the Malaysian Minister of Defense went ahead and just
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ignored it said they're not going to let it, it's not from the plane, it's not relevant
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or anything like that.
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There was also a bunch of islanders on another island in the Maldives that saw the plane
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in the early morning hours flying towards the direction of the Diego Garcia military base.
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From the respect relative to the other debris that's been found a lot of people say, well,
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they claim to have found some debris.
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They found a tiny, tiny amount of debris in Africa, 2000 to 3000 miles away from the
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supposed crash site.
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For instance, the Cherngy, one of the original investigators, very smart lady I've been in
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She went on Ross Cole Hart's Reality Check podcast yesterday actually.
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And she said that she had done the math on the flapper on alone and that flapper on would
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have had to drift seven to 10 miles per day in a straight line in order to get to the
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They did some modeling, which if you have lived through COVID, you know that modeling is
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And the first model they did of the debris drift analysis didn't put the debris anywhere
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And so then they did a new one and then they said, oh, okay, yeah, now this can explain
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how the flapper on could get there.
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But nothing can describe explain how a piece of engine cowling from a Rolls Royce engine
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showed up in South Africa.
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This debris should have washed up in Australia.
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They have the planes supposedly based on these satellite pings that they've used.
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Most of the experts believe these satellite pings are accurate and that we know where the
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But we searched everywhere above and below water along the seventh arc and found nothing.
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That's not one piece of debris.
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If that location was correct, there should have been debris washing up in Australia and
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it can't possibly explain how the supposed debris washed up in Africa.
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So then I think we can clearly say we have no evidence that it crashed.
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Is that safe to say?
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I think that you could argue that there's not enough debris to prove that the plane crashed.
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We also found another plane that was purchased by Gaitelisus in October of 2013.
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This essentially an exact replica of the plane that was scrapped 10 years or more too early.
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And that the flapper on was actually not connected with a unique serial number.
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The unique serial plate was actually missing off of the flapper on.
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So instead they broke apart the flapper on and looked for part numbers.
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And they found a partial part serial number match.
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Now I would argue that if you've got replicas of the plane out there also purchased from
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Malaysian Airlines, then those part numbers could be from another plane.
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However, the scenario that we presented with this high technology and MH3700 videos is the
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idea that this plane had some type of superluminal event happen.
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Star Trek warp drive if you want to think of it as that.
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So that this plane moves from the nick of our islands somewhere over near the Maldives.
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And then at that point flies south towards the Aegean Garcia.
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And this would actually from the drift analysis models be a better at more accurate representation
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of where this debris got into the water and then to wash up over there.
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And you could argue based on the fire event and the fire scenario that some debris would have
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fallen off this plane.
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You could also argue that if this plane ended up at a secret military base that they could have
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disassembled it and thrown it in the water and then allowed it to wash a shore over there as well.
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So we can't be 100% certain because we don't have two videos at the location where this plane showed up.
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We only have two videos of it disappearing.
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Two videos of it disappearing.
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So what do you think happened to the plane?
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Because now we have new videos that have emerged that have been causing quite a bit of controversy.
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Can you take me through that and just give me your assessment as to what do you think happened
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based on the people that were on board this craft and now these new videos that have emerged?
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Yeah, and I want to be fair as well to the skeptics and the debunkers out there as well and say that
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there have been several debunk attempts at these videos.
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And if people don't want to believe the videos to be real, it doesn't bother me at all.
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There has been a stock effect that actually I think has even convinced people like Joe Rogan and Jeremy Corbell
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of supposedly the zap.
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Now the problem with this stock effect is that they've had to manipulate the stock effect in multiple aspects
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in order to get it to come close to matching even a single frame from the drone video that we see.
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What is a stock effect for?
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Yeah, what is the stock effect for our audience?
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Stock effects are when you are doing visual effects and you want to save yourself from time
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from having to produce something from scratch.
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Use the stock effect and you insert it into your video creation.
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For example, this was done in the killing time video game, which where the stock effect was put in
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This was used in an attack on Titan anime commercial and it was also used in the movie Starship Troopers.
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And in none of those did they manipulate the stock effect in any way?
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And then supposedly in these videos, there are people that have uncursive claimed that
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they have manipulated the color, reshaped it, resized it, adjusted various contrasts, etc.
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And that to me doesn't make any sense regarding how visual effects works.
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But I think it's the situation where people just have such a hard time believing that something
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like this could be possible, that they're willing to believe any alternative explanation that doesn't
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have to kind of make them reevaluate the worldview.
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Now the other big debunk that's out there is this cloud picture.
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So people have argued that this cloud picture has the clouds in it that match the satellite video
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and that this proves that it must be fake in general.
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Now the problem with this is that even before that cloud picture showed up,
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we already proved that the clouds were moving and evolving.
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Each frame of reference in the satellite video is only a few seconds long.
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So the clouds aren't moving significantly, but they're moving a little bit.
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They kind of evolved. You can see the edges kind of grow or shorten.
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We can see the first orb puncture a hole through one of the clouds.
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But the most important aspect that rules out a cloud picture
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is that when the zap happens in the satellite video,
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it actually accurately illuminates the clouds and three dimensions in the foreground and the
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background. For this type of accurate illumination, you would have to build a full 3D rendered
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environment. You cannot use a 2D visual effect for that.
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So whether or not I'm just presenting the evidence for people that can come up with their own
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opinions on it and on later as well, I'll present the strongest evidence for why the videos
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are authentic. But I just want people to understand that yes, there are some debunked
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steps out there. I've refuted all of them. And then what I think happened to the plane is I
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think that this was an espionage event where the United States government was set up potentially
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the batteries to burn. They might have even detonated them at the specific location,
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knowing that they do have a predictable burn rate that it's not going to take down the airplane
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right away to cause a diversion of the airplane to go from the South China Sea at the location where
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Mike McCay sees a plane on fire from the oil rig. Nine witnesses along the coast hear loud noises
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the same moment Mike McCay sees the plane on fire when it first goes dark. I think that battery
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could have damaged the electronics bay and caused it to go dark. I also think the operatives
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on board the plane, those Iranians could have been related to the United States military or covert
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operation. They could have been involved in some type of pseudo hijacking event. And the plane
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turns around 10 minutes later when it's turning towards pinning the location where the pilot would go
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to in an emergency event. You have another B777 pilot that hears communication from the plane.
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Suppose there was also a tango call reported by Florence Bichanghi that would indicate like a
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hijacking event that may have happened. And there's eight fishermen at the same time 10 minutes later
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that see the plane flying unusually low. Eight different fishermen off the coast of Thailand and
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Malaysia. And this would be consistent with the idea that there was a fire and the pilot was
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depressurizing the plane but not to exfixiate the passengers instead to give them enough oxygen
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because the fire suppression devices take the oxygen out of the plane. So you need to depressurize
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the plane to get more oxygen into the plane and fly low enough so that there's enough oxygen for
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people to be able to breathe. Because I don't know if people know this but the passenger oxygen
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mass only lasts for about 20 minutes 30 minutes at the most. So the plane is most likely being
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diverted to the rendezvous location where the assets would be prepared to perform what we see in
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the MH370 videos in the Nicaragua Islands. I think you could also argue like some have said Dan
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Hanley as well as Field McConnell that potentially there is a remote control capability of the plane.
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The French father was told that the Americans know exactly what happened to the plane that there
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was two AWACs in the area. And those AWACs are these large radar planes that can supposedly hack
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other craft and even potentially take control of them. The capability is called the Boeing
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uninterruptible auto-pilot. So I think that there's a good chance that that happened at least at
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some point during this flight path and it may have happened after this plane reappears
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somewhere over the Maldives to fly it to our remote military base in Diego Garcia.
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So you believe it was a hijacking event, an SB&AJ hijacking event that with a diversionary use of
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fire like catching these batteries that were on board on fire. So it was a slow burn. So it would
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be diverted. And then when it lands, the United States government can swoop in, take whatever
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classified top secret information that was about to be shared and take it ourselves.
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Do you think it ever got to that point? Yeah, that's the hard part. People always ask me, well,
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what happened to the passengers? And I think that the event we see in the MH370 videos in the drone
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video is a cold endothermic event. So it's all black. Endothermic event means there is absorption
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of energy. This is not an explosion that we're seeing in this video. Which would indicate that
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it is not. Can you be precise and walk us through what we're seeing in this video where it came
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from and how we have this? So in our drone video, we have an MQ-1C gray eagle. You can see the body
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of the drone. And we can tell that it's either an MQ-1C gray eagle or an MQ-9 Reaper.
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MQ-1C gray eagle has images that you can find in Google image search that shows aerial surveillance
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cameras underneath the wings. And that's the same perspective that we see in the video.
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We can see this in a blue hue or a rainbow palette as it's being called. So it's more of like a
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traditional thermal view slightly different than what we've seen from those forward looking
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infrared cameras. This is a software setting in the Raytheon cameras that is available.
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And this may be the default settings as opposed to the black and white that we've seen from the
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DOD Navy videos that were declassified in 2017. Now we're watching a Boeing 777-200 that's an
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exact overlay of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 which indicates that we are actually looking at
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Malaysian Airlines in the video. And we see it making a hard left turn. We see it descending
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in the videos. We can tell that we are looking at cumulus clouds. These cumulus clouds only
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form at low altitudes. We check the weather pattern for that day. And within 15 minutes of when we
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think these videos happen, the weather actually had low altitude cumulus clouds in the Nicarbar
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Islands as well. The plane is actually maxing out the capabilities of a 777-200 wall in descent,
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wall turning at roughly 150 to 250 miles per hour. This would be very difficult to fake. In fact,
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there was somebody who posted on social media claiming to be a VFX artist from the movie Top
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on Maverick that said that scaling down planes like this and getting it to be accurate to the
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capabilities of the plane is some of the hardest things to pull off. Now what we see, both videos
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actually are in perfect synchronization. We have a satellite video looking from one angle,
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and then we have a drone video looking horizontally from a completely different angle from the opposite
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side. And in the drone video, we can see these orbs begin to circle around the plane. In the
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satellite video, we see these orbs coming in at roughly 2000 miles per hour, Mach 2, Mach 3
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speeds. We've estimated based on comparing pixels on them. And in both videos, these orbs
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are defying gravity as we know it. They're floating freely. They're not falling to the ground.
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But in the drone video, we see some very unusual details. We can see in the drone video that there's
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a black line. It looks like it's behind the orbs, but it's actually in front of the orbs
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plane them forward, like they're running on train tracks. So there seems to be two different
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anti-gravitational effects at play here. The orbs themselves are displaced from gravity. We can see
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what's called a non-radient barrier, which means it's like a field around the orbs. It actually
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looks like these are more of like ball lightning as opposed to something like a traditional flying
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saucer that we might expect in new ophthalology. They form a pattern around the plane that when we
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mapped it out, it actually is a spherical pattern. Mapping and plane, rotating around
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are perfect. 120 degree sinusoidal pattern, which seems to have some sort of purpose,
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which after we see the zap becomes a lot more apparent. It's like it's mapping the plane to
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figure out the dimensions of it. The orbs have a heat signature in them. You can see it's very
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clear heat signature in the orbs, which is a very unusual detail to add. Engineer who works in
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low energy nuclear reactions, Bob Greener has looked at this and said that this is consistent with
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the topological monopole. Topological monopole is the idea of having a single magnetic effect,
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either a north or south, but not having a die pole effect. This is potentially what might be needed
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in order to achieve anti-gravity along with stuff like room temperature, superconductivity.
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As in the drone video, some of the strongest evidence for why this video is real is that we see it
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manually tracking the plane. They're not using automatic tracking. There's a little bit of a delay
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consistent with somebody very far away using that camera to follow the plane and try to track it.
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They zoom in. There's shake in the drone video, which is as they zoom in, increases accurately,
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just like if you're using your camera to zoom in on something. There's a 3D dynamic parallax.
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So when they zoom in, you can actually see the clouds, you can see the edges of the clouds more.
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So you can actually see that this is a full 3D rendered environment if it was fake. It can't be just a
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picture. We also see that line in front of the orbs is what we refer to as a geodesic. You can
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imagine it like the orbs are creating space in front of them to run down, as I mentioned, those
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train tracks, almost like a gravity well in front of them. We believe after talking to Sabothor Pius,
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who has some patents out there that are advanced technology patents, that this could be produced by
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a laser effect using a high frequency, some type of high frequency vibrational effect that can
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essentially break through the fabric of reality as we see it to create this geodesic,
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kind of bending or opening up space in front of them. And then right before the zap, we see one of
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the strongest details as we see the orbs re-orient. And actually in both videos, we see a synchronized
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event in the drone video. We see the orbs re-orient where the heat signals are kind of disappears
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for a second and then comes back and then the orbs are seem to be in a very specific position.
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At the same time in the satellite video, we see the orbs spinning rotation slow down a little bit.
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And then all of a sudden the orbs converge on the plane. And Bob Greeninger is argued when they're
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converging on the plane, they're amplifying their energy. And they're talking to Sabothor Pius,
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he said that we can amplify energy to such a degree that we can break through the swing or
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limit, which is what we need to be able to do to break through the permittivity of free space
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itself to break through what we would see as our reality to the underlying framework of the
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universe itself. And then we see this cold dark event open up and encapsulate the plane.
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And within three frames, a fraction of a second, the plane goes from being there to not being
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there anymore. You can actually see the tail of the plane in one frame, the very first frame of the
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dark endothermic event opening up. You can still see it sticking out of the back. And it actually
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looks like the plane has been pulled backwards a little bit. Now I talked today of Rossi, who is a
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DOD contractor and engineer himself. And he argued the idea that there might be a fourth orb,
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because you have to have some direction, some steering wheel for this mechanism. And that there
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might be an entanglement effect where three orbs have been entangled to a fourth orb. And you can
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stretch them out any two different locations. And then when we see our event go off, now all of a sudden
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the plane goes from being over here with the three orbs to being over here where the fourth orb is.
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As some sort of steering wheel or direction of travel, it might be getting pulled backwards.
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And this is speculative, of course. But if it were being pulled backwards, since the plane was
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going to the east, it would be getting pulled backwards somewhere over to the west, which is where
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the moldeaves are. So this is, I think, the best, in my mind, in one additional detail that I
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forgot to mention is there's a heat signature in the belly of the plane as well that morphs
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accurately, at least what I would expect from heat potentially pouring out of the plane.
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And it's in the location where the AC exhaust ports are near the landing gear. And since we've
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speculated as a fire event, especially if the fire was in the former cargo pays, the smoke would
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have been pouring through the air conditioning system and the airplane. And then we'd be getting
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pumped out through those AC exhaust ports. And in this situation as well, we've got the fire event
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that we speculated. We've got that Mayday call. We've got the video showing hot smoke coming
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out of the back of this plane as well. And then we've got our witness on the ground, Catherine T.
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who saw dark smoke. So to me, I think that this is a huge amount of evidence that if these videos
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aren't real, why do they tell a story of the plane that's matched by more evidence than anybody
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else's story today, any expert or what have you? The only thing that we've had to rule out for
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these videos to be real and this event to be the true event of the plane is these satellite
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paintings after the location in the Nickabar Islands. And if you look at those,
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immerse that satellite paintings, I look at the raw data myself. It amounts to 10 rows on an
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Excel spreadsheet. And the weirdest part is that if you look at everything up until the
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Nickabar Islands, from when the plane took off, it's hundreds of rows of data. And you get to that
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part and it's just 10 rows of data for five hours. What does that mean? So the just
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lack of pinging back to the satellites and therefore not entering into the spreadsheets then?
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Well, this is where it gets very bizarre because I've interacted with pretty much all of the original
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experts, including several people in the independent group, Victor Ilonello, as well Mike Exner.
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And they just keep telling me it's normal. But the story that they present makes no sense. They
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argue that the ACAR system was turned off at 1707 UTC, which is 13 minutes before the plane went
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dark. But then we have full data from 1707 all the way up to 1840 UTC. And then at 1840 UTC,
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which the next plane is 1941 UTC through 2313 UTC, again about five hours, we just have 10 rows of
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data. And there's a pattern in that data. And they try to argue that something changed, but I can't
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figure out what that might be in terms of why there would be this difference here. In my mind,
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if the system was turned off at 1707, the discrepancy should begin at 1707. They shouldn't begin
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at 1840 UTC. We looked into the SATCOMs, all the SATCOM systems that exist out there,
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all have zero-day vulnerabilities and exploits. They're all easily hackable. In fact, you probably
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only have to change one value in these systems in order to get people to believe that a plane
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went in a different direction that it actually did, for example, to convince people that it went south
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instead of going to the west. But the strongest evidence why those pings are not true is that we found
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nothing in the location where those pings supposedly say that the plane went into the south
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and in the ocean. We didn't find one piece of debris down there. We found no black boxes. We had no
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acoustic detections, no radar detections, no witnesses, despite the fact that it's on an active
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shipping route. And we had 19 family members of the victims, claimed that they could call the
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cell phones of the victims for up to four days after they went missing. One of them even proved it
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on television. You cannot connect to a phone that is turned off. That's in the middle of the
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ocean away from cell towers, that is underwater, that is dead. And CNN had these experts come on and
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say that, oh no, this can happen, which I would believe if it was just one or two. When you have 19
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families saying that something does not add up. So they were able to call their family members
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phones and they were ringing and they picked up voicemail or something like that? The part about
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getting into the voicemail, I'm not sure about, but they rang. And if I were to like turn my phone
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off and say, hey, Clayton, give me a call, you know, it's not going to ring. It's going to go
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directly to the voicemail as opposed to ringing. I think the counterarguments have been that, oh,
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well, it could be an international call and could ring once or twice, which again, I could believe
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it was just one or two, but when you got 19 families saying that and they're saying that it goes
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up to four days, they could do that, which is pretty consistent with how long maybe a phone would last
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if you know the battery on it. That's where I become pretty skeptical in general. So yeah. Wow.
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So these videos, I want to just go back to these videos, which have cost so much controversy. When
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did these videos emerge? We have the satellite video and then we have this drone video. Where do
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these come from? And how do were you able to sync? How were we able to sync them up to know that
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it's perhaps the same object here so we can use the exact same framing to know that this is the
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angle. This is the time signature and we keep it consistent. Yeah. And this is the story of, I guess,
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my emergence on a social media, I never expected to be anybody in this world or anybody special. And
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I still don't think that I am. But I remember seeing the drone video back in 2014 when I was first
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just curious about the plane. And I just dismissed it. I didn't know what it was even looking at.
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Just thought this is just some weird thing. And then back in August, these videos reemerged on
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the social media site Reddit. I showed the subreddit called UFOs. And I saw that video and I just
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went, okay, that's interesting. And I saw the second video, which was the satellite video. And then I
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went, wait a minute, I remember seeing that drone video. And now you're telling me there's a second
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video in perfect synchronization. So I started digging into them and so did many people on social
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media and found that yes, he's actually date back to 2014. I mean, I remember seeing them in 2014
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as well, but we've got the way back machine. We know that the original account uploader was somebody
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called Regiside Anon, which technically stands for King Killer, anonymous King Killer. And that the
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satellite video, which is the first one, says received March 12, 2014 in the description,
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which is four days after the plane was for days, four days after. And it was uploaded may not
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are published May 19, 2014, which is roughly eight or nine weeks after the plane disappeared. So we
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have a timeframe of between four days and 72 days. Now the interesting part is remember those
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coordinates I just mentioned, those coordinates are indicated by those immerselled pins as being
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potentially the real location of where the plane actually was in the Nicarbar Islands. Now the problem
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here is that the raw telemetry data was not made publicly available until May 28, 2014, and a 47
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page report. Before that, there was just a graph. Even Mike Exner of independent group didn't know
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that the satellite information could even be real until June of 2014. So how did I suppose it hoax
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or know exactly where to put the plane with the real locations of the plane and the coordinates
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over a week before the raw telemetry data was even made publicly available for people to
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that's on the screen and they can see that on the screen. Yes, in the bottom left of the satellite
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video, you can see it in the high definition version. So we also even went ahead and we've looked
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at the we looked at all the satellites. We actually found there's a low earth orbit satellite pair
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and our USA229, a naval ocean surveillance satellite pair that was in the right location in the
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uh, Straits and Malacca that could have been staring right down at this location around 1840 UTC.
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This could have been in the constellation of the Sibber system. In fact, the registered non-version
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is a stair scopic version. It's two different videos side by side, slightly different angles.
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Now debunkers have argued that YouTube had a capability to turn videos in a 3D like that,
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which maybe they did, but if this is actually the original version and how this was leaked out to
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the public, then those two satellites right next to each other staring down would have been the
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ones that are sending the data to the Sibber system to be able to build this capability that we see
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to track the plane in general. The second video, the MQ-1C Grey Eagle video, was received, it says
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received June 5th 2014 in the description, uploaded June 12th 2014. So right away you can start
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to realize that, okay, this first video came out and then a couple weeks later, the next video gets
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published. So now you're starting to build this narrative of, okay, wait a minute, like how did
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these videos come out? Who potentially could have leaked them? What were they trying to accomplish
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in leaking them? And if you think that these videos are fake, then the prime suspect should be
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register to non themselves. Because if register to non was not the faker of these videos, why would
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they put just received March 12th 2014 in the description of the satellite video? Because four days
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is not enough to come up with a whole plan. Four days after this plane, when missing, we were still
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looking at the South China Sea. So there's no way the four days after is pretty much a nail in
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the coffin, these would have to be real. And the problem is that if somebody did fake these, in my
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mind, it could only be some type of state-sponsored event. It requires far too much intricate details,
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stuff that was not publicly available, like the heat signatures in the orbs in the monopole,
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stuff was not even publicly available to an ulti-university paper after this plane went missing.
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Far too many details in this first to be just some kind of rogue person that created them.
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So a couple of things, questions come to mind here. Why create a fire event if you have this
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incredible technology with an orb technology that can create spherical wrap-around of the craft
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in order to make it disappear? Why the diversion? Was that part of the cover-up or...
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That's something that I want to try to figure out as well. And I think that there is...
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There was a weird letter, probably weird things that ever happened in my whole life, that appeared
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on YouTube, it was called Diagogracia Whistleblower, a letter to Ashton Forbes. It showed up on an
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YouTube that was created June 7th, 2024, and the video that I just mentioned was uploaded June 10th,
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2024. Somebody pinged me on this roughly the next day, so have you seen this?
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What year is it? 2004. So this June?
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Or sorry, January. Sorry, January, I apologize.
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January, okay. Yes, so this just happened a couple months ago. Maybe I'm talking to you from the
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future. And now my mind is being blown on so many levels. I don't know. Okay, so January of
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2024, a YouTube video shows up on a channel addressed to you, like an open letter to you.
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Open letter, 11 minutes long. And that up until that point, I had presented this idea that the
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United States government was saving this plane from an emergency fire event because of this plane,
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if it tried to land in the ocean where Catherine T. saw it, it's going to rip apart in the ocean.
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Everybody's going to die. It's two in the morning. It's pitch black out. This is not going to be a
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sunny, solid burger situation. Land in the ocean is not like landing in the Hudson River.
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And there were some aspects of it that still bothered me. The idea of those take Iranian passengers,
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the idea that I mean, would we actually save a plane in the scenario? Would we deploy that technology?
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Like maybe if there was a VIP on board, but we knew that the free scale semiconductor scientists
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were the motor for this. And that letter actually kind of opened my mind a little bit more
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to the espionage events, which is it argues that this is a show of force. This is a message to
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the Chinese government. And in fact, Joseph P. Farrell found a video interview that he did on March
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20th, I want to say, 2014, where he actually argued the same thing. He had to deduce that this could
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be a message from an either non-human intelligence or from just another government that was out there.
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Now, the reason why he had ruled out the United States there was that he didn't see what the motive
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could be related to those free scale semiconductors employees. I think that if he were to go back,
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he would realize that that's it. But they essentially, the letter essentially argues that this
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was a show of force that we were set the fire to show them that their plans were burning up
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literally and metaphorically, that we knew that they were defecting months in advance and hatch
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this counterplan and that we phased the plane out. We wanted China to see it going back to those
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satellite images that they posted so that they knew who's your daddy and that they knew that
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their plan would fall apart. And you might argue, well, why would China hide this? Why wouldn't China
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say something? I think there's two answers that one, nobody would believe them. You go out and say
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the United States or the plane, you know, somewhere else, install it. No one's going to believe it.
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Some advanced UFO technology or something like that. This is the high level. Yeah, good. Yeah.
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No, I was going to say, I mean, these are technologies that are kept very close to the best.
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And we know that different countries have access to these through other downcraft,
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through reverse engineering programs of these downcraft. So this is not something that you put on
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the, you know, put on the nightly news. Yeah, this is the type of covert kind of wrangling back
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and forth between nation states that you don't put out there in the public. And so I think that
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they, they can't say anything. And then the second side of it is what's going to happen? The United
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States has the strongest propaganda apparatus in the entire world. If you listen to the Tucker Carlson
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Vladimir Putin interview, I thought there was a very revealing aspect of that where Tucker Carlson asks
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Putin, why would you not tell the world about the Nord Stream pipeline that the United States had
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destroyed it or their allies had destroyed it? And he says, well, it's not a cost benefit. There's
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not a cost. It's cost ineffective in order to be able to try to go to a propaganda war with the
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United States who controls all the world's Western media. I mean, just think about from the perspective
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that they got the whole world to essentially believe in this pilot suicide myth. If the China
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were to come out and say, hey, United States did this. United States is going to push back and I
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am going to say, no, this is misinformation, disinformation. It was China that did it or something
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like that. So I think that explains why they would hide it. And it is a big risk for them to have
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filmed this on two different apparatus surveillance apparatus. Because what happens if the videos get
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out? What happens if one person looks at those videos and goes, wow, no one's going to ever know
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the truth unless I leak these videos. And that's exactly what I think happened when we are looking at
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that satellite video. We can tell that they are doing a screen recording. It's not somebody who's
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got a camera who's filming the screen like right guy would be doing here. That's one of the earliest
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details that I noticed. And so when the sleuths on social media found out that this was a citric session
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logged into a database because of the mouse. The mouse is at 24 frames per second that we see in
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the satellite video. And it comes off the top right of the screen and goes off to the bottom left of
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the screen indicating they're looking at a much larger field of view, but they're cropped it down.
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We're moving the drone so that we wouldn't see that. We're moving other information from it.
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That's when I went holy crap. This is a US military personnel who was recording this on a screen
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recording. They knew they were going to get caught. They have logs for citric sessions logging into
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databases like this. And they leaked this to the world potentially because they knew
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United States would never find it. And I was sitting in one day in October and I was going,
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wait a minute, I've got like a psychological profile for the person who would have leaked this.
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It would have to be a US military personnel. They would be a patriot most likely that they want to
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tell the world. They removed the HUD data and all this other sensitive information. They leaked
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the first video thinking that maybe the world will pick up on that first video and they don't even
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need to leak the second one. And then when we ignore that they strap the second videos in perfect
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synchronization. Now you've got absolute proof. We've got coordinates. We've got two different videos.
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So I started googling looking up people. It took me about two weeks because it's really hard
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to find some of this information that goes back especially seven or eight years or more. And then
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I run across Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lynn. I am 99.999% sure this is the guy right away.
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Every single thing, I've got my spider senses just going off signals intelligence all over his
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every single news article about him. The strange case of Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lynn
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completely redacted information charged with espionage but there's no evidence to exchange any
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information with anyone from China. And that was unusual to me because if you think about the
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person that would have leaked this, the United States government would have assumed that they're
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trying to help China out, especially if it's an espionage event. But then if they find out that
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there's no evidence of that because it was just somebody who was trying to tell the world the truth,
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now it gets really awkward. He was actually a Taiwanese national who had been naturalized into
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the United States. A guy that we trusted with our military or nuclear weapons. So this was a guy
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that by all accounts was a patriot. But the circumstantial evidence is extremely damning. He was assigned to
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the VPU-2 Wizards Secret Spyplane program in February of 2014 right before the plane disappeared. His
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lawyers on the record saying that the investigation into him began April 2nd, 2014. The next month after
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the plane disappeared. That's when I went, oh boy, like this is a very narrow window of time.
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But there's more. It was actually the lawyer, defense lawyer argued that the classified
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information in question is available on the internet. Which if it's not these videos, why are
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were they trying to get him in life in prison for espionage? And later on, ended up forcing him to
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a plea deal. And in the plea deal, just for disseminating classified information, he got a nine-year
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sentence, which is, excuse me, huge compared to what other people for similar offenses have gotten.
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Most people with that kind of offense, they get like a slap on the wrist or like a year. They
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actually had to have people testify. So what he did, why it was so damaging. He was also caught
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with flight manifests that includes search and rescue code names. Which to me, this evidence piled
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together says this must be the guy. So I foiled the FBI and NCIS. FBI wouldn't give me anything. They
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said it's privacy related. NCIS rejected my FOIA in total. I had the head of legal for FOIA
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respond back and sign the document saying it's to be kept secret in the interest of national
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defense or foreign policy. Now to me, I think what we're looking at here is Lockheed Martin
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technology. I think that we've figured out anti-gravity. I don't know if we reverse engineered it or
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we dug something up and figured it out. Or if we figured this out going all the way back to them
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and hadn't project and the Philadelphia experiment. But I think we've got this technology. I think
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that's our technology. And I think that Edward Seelin might not even have known. I think that he
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might have thought it was UFOs and thought, oh, I'm not hurting anybody by leaking this information
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to his Taiwanese friends who are allies with us against China. And that they pushed it on to the
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internet. Regicide and on gets a hold of it. Then it's once it's on the internet that's too late.
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It's out there now. And so they had to obfuscate the charges against Edward Seelin because people
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would have figured out that he has to be tied to MH370 somehow. So they throw a prostitution charge
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on there. For what reason? You're trying to throw him in prison for life or espionage and throw
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a prostitution charge out there. They do that all the time to like just discredit people. Yeah.
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And the defense argued that the defense actually argued that the military was playing games with the
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media to try to obfuscate his family put out a website saying that this guy is a good guy and
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that he's you know what's happening to him is unfair and cruel. And I absolutely think that it is.
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So to me, a lot of people have heroes in the UFO disclosure realm, David Grush, Commander
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Fraver, Luel Azondo, etc. To me, Edward Seelin is the hero because being a hero, it requires
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sacrifice. And that's what he did is he broke his NDA. He broke his oath to get that information
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out to the world and he paid the price. He went to prison. He ended up getting six total years
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after they shaved off three years from his sentence for working with the FBI and NCIS. I think they
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convinced him that hey man, this wasn't UFOs. This was our secret technology. You just showed China.
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You just showed Russia. If we could figure this out from a social media account, then China and
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Russia's intelligence apparatus, I hope they figured out if they haven't figured it out, then
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they have no chance against us. Wow. You're blowing my mind. She's blowing my mind.
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Will he be able to speak? Do you think him? He's still in prison at this point.
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And so this is a story I haven't told very much, but I reached out to him. We were able to find some
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his contact information. One thing that I thought was very interesting is we found his Facebook profile.
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And he was friends with General Flynn on Facebook. General Flynn actually follows me on Twitter as
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well right now. Who whatever you think of General Flynn, I think that he is a truthful person
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and somebody is a patriot who wants to what's the best for this country. And he was a good director
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of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which he would be in the know for some pretty big secrets
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that are out there in general. And I think that there are worrying factions in the government that
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want this information out and some that don't want the information out. I don't think that anybody
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really expected the disclosure to come from an espionage event where we potentially stole a plane
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because the illegal implications are huge. But I called Edward Sealand. I found a phone number.
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It rang somebody picked up and hung up right away, which I thought, okay,
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bingo, this is this phone number because he doesn't want to go to voicemail. He doesn't want to talk
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about it. He has a plea deal, which potentially if he talks about these videos, he would go back to prison.
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And in fact, they may have convinced him that doing this was wrong and he just won't ever want to talk
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about it no matter what anymore, especially because we ignored the videos for 10 years and he went
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to prison and paid this huge price for it. So I don't want anybody to go after him. I don't want
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anybody to bother him. I sent him text messages telling him that he was my hero because he is. I
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hope that one day I get to meet him in person and I told him that I would use all my following,
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my funds, everything that I have to protect him if necessary. If he wants to, I would hope that he
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would become a whistleblower so that he could go to maybe ARO although I have no faith in them,
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whatsoever. I've actually reported that to have whistleblower protection. Yeah, we would need
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buy it in which won't happen or Trump to pardon him, I think, in order for him to be able to safely
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come out. Even then, I'm not sure that he would because I do think that he's a patriot in general.
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I got in touch with his lawyers. All right, I called his lawyer, the law firm laid to the case.
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And I ended up speaking to a clerk for like an hour and a half told her everything about it. She
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followed me on Twitter after that. And then I got a weird email from them that was about, there was
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this law back in October about whistleblowers and I think related to UFO stuff and they sent me a seminar
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from the week before talking about the implications of that law on people that had been court-martial.
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And I thought, oh, is that a message they're sending me? Because I basically wanted to send me some
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kind of message. And then they sent me one other email that I think was somewhat unrelated a few
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weeks later. And that's all I've ever heard from them. I've never heard back from them. So this is
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in my mind, potentially, one of the biggest both conspiracies. And I guess you could call it UFO
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videos. I mean, technically, they're unidentified flying objects in those videos. And that's why I
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reported this case to the ARO myself. I actually spoke to an ARO officer who I don't want to name
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because they asked me not to. And I'm still actually waiting some follow-up on that because I told
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them, yes, I'm not a firsthand witness, but I've seen videos that make me a secondhand witness.
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And I gave them verifiable information. I said that I think Lockheed Martin has this technology.
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I said that you can verify that's an MQ-1c gray eagle drone video from an aerial surveillance
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package. I said, you can verify that satellite video. It's potentially from our cyber system
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that has a ground-based computer system that produces it. I said, you can talk to Edward
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Sealand and figure out what was the, what is it that he leaked? We looked at his appeals and the
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appeal penal codes are consistent with video evidence that he potentially leaked.
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And then there's one other additional aspect which I don't feel super comfortable talking about,
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but I'm going to do it anyway, is that I had somebody reach out to me through another contact
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that was found on social media that claimed that they showed these videos or they had a friend
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who's a nephew of a general and that nephew showed the videos to the general and that the general
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took those videos very seriously. Didn't laugh them off. Didn't potentially think that they were
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VFX. And so I said, got in touch with them. They said, the only thing I have that was holding
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them up and talking to me is do you think the videos are real? And I was just laughing because I'm
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going, I'm the guy on social media telling the world these videos are real. And this was way back
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in September or in October. And I say, okay, what's the general's name? Joseph F. Dunford. And I go,
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okay, never heard of him. Look him up. Well, he was the commander of the International Security
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Forces from Afghanistan in 2013 and 2014. He potentially could have been the guy who would have
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been the highest ranking military member for this operation if it was a US military operation in
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that area. And what happened after that? He got promoted to the highest ranking military officer
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in the entire United States. He was the, he reported to the president, joint chiefs of staff
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and the secretary of defense until 2019 for four years under Trump. And then after that, I said,
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okay, well, what's he doing after that? Well, now he's on the board of directors at Lockheed Martin.
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Lockheed Martin. So I just think that how can I, if you look at from my perspective, all this,
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as just a normal guy that I would have probably never believed any of this a year ago,
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all this information, the videos, the witnesses, the evidence, all stacking up, the generals involved,
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the military people, how, if these videos are fake, how's all this stuff out there? How's all this
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stuff lined up in a way that says that these videos are real? And how do I have people like
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Salvatore Pius asking me to create a podcast so that I can talk to him about his patents about
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the science. This is a guy who's an active Navy engineer. Who in my opinion has seen this technology
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firsthand. That's how we came up with the patents. His point of putting those patents out was so
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that people couldn't profit off of them so that corporate greed couldn't take control and,
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sell them for a super high value and it could help humanity. That's where the people who are on,
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I think, the side that I'm on of disclosure, getting information out there is that we want to
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help humanity. Now, the flip side of this is this technology is not just rainbows and unicorns.
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There's a very dark side to this technology. This can be turned into a weapon. And I'm not talking
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about nuclear weapons. This is beyond hypersonics as well. This is a type of weapon that could destroy
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the entire planet with a push of a button. And I think that that's the scary side of it.
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Is that if you think about the greater picture here in terms of this type of technology being real,
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is this the explanation for the Fermi paradox? Is this why we don't see civilizations everywhere?
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Because this is a discovery. Unification theory of quantum field theory and general relativity.
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How do you make the very small act like the very large, which is what we need to be able to
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teleport an object, warp speed an object? If anybody who figures this out any advanced civilization,
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potentially destroys themselves, the letter to me argues that if two warring factions got control
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of this technology, the world wouldn't last a day. And this is what I would ask you, Clayton,
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and anybody else who's out there is that if you knew that this type of technology could be the end
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of the world, would you hide it or would you disclose it? I think for so many people, they would
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absolutely hide it. They would keep it totally hidden. And they would use it as a cudgel in the way
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that we use nuclear weapons as a cudgel as some sort of a deterrent. You know that we have this
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technology and you can't do anything about it. They're not going to release this information and they
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would keep it absolutely quiet. And just think, I often think about how powerful it would be if we
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knew that we had zero point energy available and where people are slaving away, you know, driving
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two and three hours in cars on a regular basis or oil and gas and we're so reliant on that,
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or the healthcare side of the advancements that we could have to cure cancer and remove tumors
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with the blink of an eye using these technologies that we know exist. And first hand accounts of
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individuals who've seen these technologies in action, but we're not allowed to have them.
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Yeah, we have to remain like, you know, in medieval times while they're operating on a whole other
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level. Yeah, there's two different experts that I want to hit on here is that again, I've spoken
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to Dave Rossi who is a DOD contractor and engineer as well. And I went on tim pool with him as well.
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I've interviewed him twice once with Salvatore Pius. And I think that he and I see eye to eye in
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terms of how is this information kept secret? The answer is really, really easily. And you've got
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engineers that are going into labs, special access programs, signing NDAs when they go in,
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having their phones taken away so they can't be used. The AC technology is essentially magic.
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And then they have to go out and get in their car, the gas powered car, see the pollution,
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see all the poverty, everything around them and go, how do you reconcile these two things in their
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head? You have to have staff psychologists on hand so that people don't drive themselves nuts.
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And then they may say, well, I want to do the right thing and get the information out there.
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People like Eric Weinstein would say, well, how can they hide this? People would come out and they
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would say something. No, they wouldn't. No, they absolutely would not. Not only in their fear for
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their life, they have no benefit. Look at what happens to the people that try to disclose anything
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like this. Look at Bob Lazar in general. The media will vilify them. The bunkers will crucify them and
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find any weakness in their past, any skeleton in their closet and use it to discredit the things
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that they're saying out there. And that's what I found is that it's not actually even hard to hide
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the information. It's easy to hide the information. It's too easy, in fact. And that's why the people
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like Salvador Pius, like my friend Dave Rossi, want to get the information out there because we've
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reached a point now where almost in a post-truth world where no one can believe anything to be real
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out there. And then the question is, how do you get this out there at all ever in the future? And
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this is where I think that it goes back to those worrying factions in the government. You potentially
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have, I don't know exactly who's on what side, but you've got the DIA, you've got the Navy,
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you've got the CIA, you've got the Department of Defense, you've got the Air Force. I don't know
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where the lines are and who's on what side or what have you. But I think that they struggle with
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the same question I just asked you is how do we get this out there? And is it even safe to get it
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out there? Because what you just mentioned about the healing aspects, like we might be able to
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heal tumors and stuff with this type of technology and cancers, we might be able to have force fields
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or cloaking devices. We can produce over-unity devices. There's only two things that you need to
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understand for these videos to be real. There's an extra dimension, an underlying construct to our
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reality that we don't perceive. And if we can tap into that, we can tap into the negative entropy
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of the universe itself. And then you also need to understand that space is not empty. And if space
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is not empty, then you can create over-unity devices, you can cheat the laws of thermodynamics by
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opening your system up. And you can borrow energy from the vacuum with a zero-point energy
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to produce a system that puts more energy out than is put into it. This allows for free energy.
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We can also use superconductivity and super powerful magnetic fields to create fusion power.
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Now the problem, like I said, though, is that you can then, like we saw in those videos,
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when the orbs are converging, to amplify the energy as Salvador Pius is high frequency
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gravitational wave generator, patent says, amplify energy to such a degree where you can destroy
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a planetoid or asteroid. Scale that up and now you can destroy a planet. Scale it up further and
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you can destroy a sun. We might even be able to create a big bang with this type of technology.
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So it's extremely dark, which leads to the one question I wanted to ask you is,
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what do you think the nature of the UFO phenomenon is? I remember you talking with Tucker Carlson,
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and you guys talking in it still sticks my head every single day pretty much about the idea of
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this phenomenon being so dark that it's scary to talk to your family about. My family won't even
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talk to me about this type of stuff. And I think about that technology and I think that wow,
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that's really, really dark. And then I also think about the idea that there could be some type of
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spiritual aspect to it or some type of dark reality that we don't want to face.
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Yeah, dark demonic reality, dark demonic beings. The information that I've been
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have discussed with individuals and sources. And I think a lot of the darkness that I'm bothered by
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I think Tucker as well, and I don't want to speak for him on this. But he's talked, he's also
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kind of followed up and talked more about this sort of the interdimensionality and also the idea
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of the demonic side of things. But I think he and I are an agreement about the use of some of this
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technology for really nefarious purposes. Human beings using this technology. There's a lot of
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ideas that, oh, these are all aliens. No, no, no, it's humans using this technology that we got
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from them. And that we've been using it for really terrible things that a lot of a lot of NGOs have
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been using it for really terrible things. I'm talking child trafficking, human organ harvesting.
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And we have first-hand accounts. Of course, you know this of members of the military coming,
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stumbling across this and actually interacting with this. High level members of the military
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involved and have witnessed this as well. Human organ trafficking, caring of human beings and
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moving them using this technology. So you think about using these craft to transport clandestinely.
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Children, human beings, body parts, organs for the purposes of harvesting scientific study,
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manipulation. We see this absolutely all the time in war zones and we see this in natural disaster
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phenomenon. This is where people, a lot of people end up going disappearing. We've certainly seen
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it in Ukraine during the Ukraine war. So that to me is one piece of it that I would say is the
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stuff I don't really want to talk about with my family. It's one of my son talks to me about
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UFOs and wants to hear more about it at 13. The last thing I want to talk to him about is that
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human beings are using this to harvest or to take children or move them around the world and sell
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them off for trafficking purposes or those sort of things. So that's one big piece of the darkness,
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I would say. The demonic side of it is another big piece of this. And some of the warring factions
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between these different species that are out there that I can't wrap my head around.
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And I've certainly heard that from different sources as well. But to me, the human use of this
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technology has been the hardest and the most difficult pill to swallow. That they would be using
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it for such terrible and dark things rather than helping humanity. I guess that's the darkness
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that I speak about. I think I agree with that in general. I think that we are our own worst enemy
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when it comes to this type of technology. I think I've independently concluded that most of
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the stuff that we see out there as UFOs is most likely just us at this point that we've figured it
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out. Maybe China and Russia have. We've had seen all these cases of drones that are incurring over
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our military bases. I would argue that that might be Russia and China with this type of technology.
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And I think that is my friend who I've met now, Jake Chanceley, people know him as the
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Shaman on January 6th. He's a very introspective guy. And he would say that we might as well get
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this out there because the worst people in the world already have access to it. It can't get
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anywhere on that from that perspective. From the UFOology people that I've spoken to very prominent
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people in general, they would say that our fate is up to us. Whether or not we destroy ourselves
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with or not with this technology, that's up to us as humans to figure that out. I look at this
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technology and I see the hope in it in terms of ending poverty, ending homelessness, ending hunger
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around the planet with this type of technology. And that's the reason why I am on the side of
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information coming out in general. But I think that we do have to put safeguards in place.
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Because the problem with this technology is figuring out a unification theory of the forces
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is that it's a Pandora's box. Once you open that Pandora's box up, you get everything that comes
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along with it. Even Eric Weinstein mentioned this on Jesse Michaels podcast with Hal Pudoff,
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is that you can't just pick and choose what things you want. If you want the medical healing
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aspects, you also get the weapons that come along with it. This is I think the economy, the issue
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that we face as a civilization. This is what my goal is in talking about this with you and other
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people as well. I want to move the conversation forward. Everybody I see in the UFOology is talking
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about the different types of species and what they want to do with the species and what these
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crash retrievals mean, etc. I want to talk about what does the technology mean? What does it mean
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for our future? How do we avoid obliterating yourself and oblivion in general?
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Right. Yeah. And the healthcare part of it is most fascinating to me. I just had a friend who
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lost a relative to cancer. I have multiple friends over the years that have died of cancer.
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And if this technology exists and we have access to it, that we can literally eradicate cancer
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with the blink of an eye. But we're so concerned about biopharmaceutical companies making massive
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billions of dollars that we don't and we keep this information quiet is one of the worst to me
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that's one of the worst tragedies of all time. So that's where I come from on this.
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Well, Ash, I don't want to take up any more of your time. It's been a far too long.
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So much ground. Yeah, it's been amazing. And I'm just you've blown my mind on multiple levels.
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I'd love for you to be able to come back. I'd love for people, you know, as obviously as a story
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evolves, we get more information on this. We're able to hear perhaps from from Mr. Lynn himself and
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be able to be able to have whistleblower protection. I mean, who knows who the story goes in the future.
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And to be able to have this and to answer some questions from skeptics out there. So if anyone has
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any questions about this, please drop a comment below. An action is very, you're great to be on
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social media and I'd love for you to jump in the comments thread here in this video. And to be
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able to communicate with individuals if they have any questions about it. So I'll let you just get
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you out of here on this dash. And where do you hope the story goes from here? What's the next step
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in the story for you? Yeah. So for me, I've been very transparent about what my plan is and my
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plan here is to make this information self evident. I don't think that the government or the media
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can mainstream media can ever talk about this because the more they if they were to ever talk about
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it, people are going to start to figure out that the stories out there don't make any sense and that
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as hard as this is to believe, people will start to wake up to that. And there's going to be a huge
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amount of liability related to it. So my goal and I think I've already accomplished it to some degree
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has been to get this story out there into the zeitgeist. So when people talk about MH370,
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they talk about that guy that talked about those videos and all the evidence regarding those
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videos that are out there, I think the realities we're not ready for this. I think that this
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situation and the implications that are so big and so dark that it would actually break people's
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minds. If this information is true and the technology is real, it's not just the socio economic
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change as well. It's the idea that we've been getting lied to for our entire lives. And I think
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that will actually break people's minds. So I think that what really needs to happen is we need
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to raise our collective conscious to the point where we can understand that we may actually have
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anti-gravitational technology. Maybe there are aliens out there. I'm not really sure.
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So that's my objective. If you guys follow me on social media,
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at JustX, Ashton on Twitter on YouTube and potentially maybe on TikTok in the future,
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although I'm not looking forward to it, that's the kind of conversations you're going to see for me.
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Exposing the truth, exposing the lies that are out there and showing people that high technology
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is already out there. We don't actually have to discover it. It's been discovered. We just need
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to talk about it. Hallelujah. Ashton, it's been a great pleasure having you here on Redacted.
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Thank you so much. Thank you, Clayton.
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