Transcript: 1997 Peru UFO Crash Retrieval - the Story of Jonathan Weygandt

It was dripping the surf like like surface cosy this liquid. It was everywhere all down

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Everywhere what we went down there because it was plants and everything it was

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It was weird. It was a

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purplish green color and you could tell it was like it was just weird

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It's hard to explain it kind of like

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Like like it was like it

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It seemed to just like

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Be alive. I mean it was almost like if you were looking like something organic

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And I don't know I couldn't tell it didn't look like anything we would make like machine parts or anything

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It was scope

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These were these large vents they look like they went into the craft

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But I couldn't tell but I mean it was a shadow

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That was the only thing that really cast a shadow the rest of this was another thing was

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These vents casted a shadow where you could see where there wasn't light

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But the sun was shining right on the object and it didn't cast a shadow not on on anything

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It was like kind of like absorbing the light as weird strange. There was no reflection or anything like that

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Is there anything positive at all that you've got now? Yeah, I'm still alive

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Yeah, they threw me into the mud and all that liquid got my hair in my face. Oh, yeah, they were like scientists

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I suppose they had

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this type of like

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We'd call it mop gear right mission oriented protective posture and they had gas mass on and like rubber seats

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And they were they were coming around and yet all kinds of weird people there

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Some had some version of mop or personal protective posture on and

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personal protective gear and

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And it was all different ones different kinds

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Very few first-hand UFO witness encounters over the decades have matched the intrigue coherence and respect as former

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US Marine Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagant

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Lance Corporal Wagant first told of his heroine UFO crash retrieval encounter during official service and US

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Operation laser strike in the Peruvian jungle through Stephen Greer in the year 2000 as a young perimeter security marine

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Task to investigate a downed aircraft thought to be a South American drugs muggling plane or friendly US vehicle

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The Lance Corporal claimed to have stumbled upon a crashed egg-shaped UFO and subsequent Department of Energy

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Retrieval team that in my opinion gives us one of the greatest

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Possible instances of insight into how US government rapid reaction UFO recovery teams operate since his original

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Testimony Wagant has publicly discussed his encounter with a non-human craft an antagonistic DOE retrieval team only once more in

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2023 Jonathan Wagant appeared on a podcast with Martin Willis

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Readdressing aspects of the Lance Corporal's incredible encounter but exploring little new ground today

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I am beyond excited to announce a true successor to Jonathan Wagant's

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2000 testimony an in-person discussion where Jonathan and myself discuss why he went public

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New details of the UFO crash retrieval encounter adverse health effects and reprisals

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Jonathan as faced and so much more before this discussion

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I thought it pertinent to take a step back and cover Wagant's testimony in painstaking details

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After all, I have covered this case before and one of my first ever projects

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But barely even scratched the surface of this encounter so before I sit down with Wagant in the coming weeks

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Let's take a step back and analyze every single detail of this

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1997 encounter from piecing together the origins and deployment of the DOE recovery team to contacting other

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Marines allegedly involved with the case to determining where Wagant may have been taken and interrogated to analyzing

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specific similar egg-shaped UFO crash retrievals

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Let us leave no stone unturned

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analyzing one of the most fascinating first-hand UFO crash retrieval cases in history

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Hey guys, it's UAPGurb and I am thrilled for you to join me today as we embark on a comprehensive analysis of the claims of Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagant

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As a precursor to my in-person interview with Jonathan

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I thought it pertinent to step back and critically analyze the entirety of his testimony

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This investigation will not seek to simply retell this incredible UFO crash case

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But to unravel this case and gain insight into US UFO crash retrieval teams

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And before we get started a few things to point out I would like to thank RGH UFOs and take OM for their incredible

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2023 work into Wagant's case

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These excellent researchers arrived at many of the same conclusions I did long before this project

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So please check out their work in the video description

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I'll also be pulling clips from Wagant's 2023 podcast with Martin Willis and 2000 tape testimony with Steven Greer

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And it is worthy to note Greer chopped up Wagant's original testimony

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Emitting certain details

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These include Wagant describing what looked to be a four-fingered arm hanging out of a recessed hall in the crashed UFO

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Greer seemingly omitted this from the 2000 testimony

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Due to this I will be pulling Wagant's recorded tapes off of Steven Greer's DPI archive

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To try and capture Wagant's words uncut in their purest form

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But these files are still chopped up and edited

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I have found it impossible to get my hands on the full unedited tape

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But this is the closest we can get

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Due to these rough files audio quality is significantly worse than the published interview

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But I still find it important to publish Wagant's words without edits

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These source files contain many additional details

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Time spent with Wagant's military records and drawings

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As well as questions asked by filmmaker James Fox

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That were curiously cut out of the 2000 published interview

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This one was the one that was half open

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And you could see into it but I mean it was just black

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It was like looking into a closet

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Where were you standing?

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Alongside the 2000 tape I have found and will be often referencing Jonathan's outreach to Greer's team from August 2000

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Just two months before his tape testimony

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And of course it goes without saying

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I will often be pulling my own clips from my time spent with Jonathan Wagant

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With all that being said, let's start our investigation

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And first travel back all the way to 1997 to relive the experience of Lance Corporal Wagant

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And basically I was there and then I was transferred over to the section for laser strike

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In February 1997

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As a young man Jonathan Wagant joined the Marine Corps in 1995 and served until 1998

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After a back injury suffered in training Jonathan's service led him to the second low altitude air defense battalion

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Within the Marine Corps's Air Control Group 28 stationed at Marine Corps air station cherry point

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During this time Wagant served as a low altitude air defense gunner with training on Stinger Man portable air defense systems

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Man pads and avenger surface-to-air missiles Sam platforms

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In 1997 Wagant and the USMC MacGee 28 were deployed to Buqalpa Peru to support Operation laser strikes

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Specifically to operate as perimeter security for mission radar installations

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And to replace aging hawk missile batteries with Stinger and Avenger missile platforms

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Laser strike was one of numerous US worldwide classified operations under US Southcom or US Southern command

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To counter narcotics traffic in Peru

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The operation included up to 20 US agencies including the USMC

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Drug Enforcement Agency, Air Force, CIA, National Guard and US Army Special Forces

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As well as local Peruvian forces such as Peruvian Air Force or FAP

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Laser strike served to conduct three phases of counter-drug operations including a legal use of airspace,

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Alternate transportation modes, and production capabilities

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Laser strike employed several acknowledged data acquisition in radar systems to accomplish its mission

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Including TPS-43 and relocatable over the horizon radar systems or Roth R

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And possibly covertly utilize satellites from the defense support program

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In 1996 laser strike proceeded Operation Green Clover, a similar US Southcom operation

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To combat narcotics transfer in Peru and Colombia but much smaller in scale

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In the 12 month period from April 1996 to April 97 within the timeline of Jonathan's encounter

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Air and ground-based radar used by Laser Strike tracked 45,000 total aircraft

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5,390 of these were quote-unquote tracks of interest

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Only 150 of these were suspected of drug trafficking but only 21 such planes were forced or shot down

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However the exact number of shoot downs was classified

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Three primary locations satisfied this mission conducted in Peru, Pukalpa,

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Andoas, and Iquitos whose mission was to track, identify, and ground by warning or force

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Drug trafficking aircraft entering or leaving Peruvian airspace

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In support of Laser Strike and counter-drug operations, US Special Forces were additionally sent to Iquitos Peru

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To the Mar-Forland Riverine training team to train with Peruvian military forces

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US Southcom authorized up to 14 Special Forces deployments to the region during 1997

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And one major Special Forces group that aided in South American counter-drug operations

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Attached to US Southcom was the US Army 7th Special Forces Group, aka the US Army Green

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Berets out of Fort Bragg, North Carolina

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Historically the 7th Special Forces out of Socom or Special Operations Command within the first

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Special Forces Command had previously been deployed in Operation Snowcap

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A drug enforcement agency counter-narcotics operation in nine Latin American countries alongside the US Navy Seals

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The Army 7th Special Forces Group has conducted foreign internal defense counter-drug in training missions in Central and South America

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The 7th specializes in unconventional warfare and direct action, Special Reconnaissance, counter-proliferation of WMD, or Warheads of Mass Destruction, and Security Force Assistance

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Why all this discussion of Green Berets and Special Operations Command units attached to Laser Strike?

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Recall how quite often I discuss the involvement of Special Operations Command or the Elite Component Command JSOC,

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Joint Special Operations Command, and UFO Crash Retrieval Operations

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Will this all become apparent quite soon when discussing Wagant's retrieval encounter?

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Up to his involvement in Laser Strike, Jonathan had no interest in the subject of UFOs

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But his worldview was somewhat shaken during his guard station performing perimeter security at his Laser Strike radar installation

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Wagant would state in the Command Center of the radar installation he would overhear

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USF personnel discussing aircraft tracked flying in and out of the atmosphere at Mach 10 Plus

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I knew these aircraft were flying because I had been in the command center there at the radar installation

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and I heard a couple women there and they were there for us talking about aircraft flying in and out of the atmosphere at Mach 10 Plus

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So these aircraft are flying around there, you know, they're re-interesting or whatever

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They're talking about what we got these aircraft flying again and the other girl says yeah, you know, they're coming in and out of the atmosphere

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And those are our stuff and so those are aircraft and they're like, you know, I can't remember what she said

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Wagant would even state an Air Force Colonel would enter the Command Center about 30 minutes after this conversation

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and confiscate logbooks tracking flight data

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I'm not sure but I think these logs did contain those tracks otherwise they would they would have taken

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And we're talking about you know, there's hundreds thousands of aircraft flying through there, you know, weekly

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And all these logs, you know, they're right in the bed and you know, and they're keeping you they're right

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And how many times certain aircraft or they get they get certain vectors for aircraft that are supposed to be around it

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I mean when you got when you got objects that are re-inter the atmosphere then stopping on a dog

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And then turning around and going exactly the opposite direction. That's kind of strange

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Meteors don't do that

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All this doesn't happen all the time. There's like three or four incidents where I was duty there

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But the same the same Air Force officer came in there to give books

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And do you think these were tracked on the radar said yeah, no

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These were tracked from this particularly radar that were logged in

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The reason I guess the reason they were taking them is they didn't want people to know that they're tracking these aircraft

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I guess I mean get this I'm just assuming

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One night while on guard duty at around 11 p.m. to midnight between April and March 1997

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Wagant was approached by Staff Sergeant Monta-Lee Gray, Sergeant Allen and Sergeant Adkins

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And told that there was a downed aircraft

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Possibly friendly and that he and other Marines were needed to secure the crash site by three to four a.m

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Jonathan adkins and Allen were in the vanguard of a group of humbies among eight to ten Marines sent to secure the crash area

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After a combination of driving and trekking through the jungle the Marines reached the site around six to seven a.m

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And

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They they came to us and said look you know, we got we got a situation where we we have one an aircraft crash

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That's possibly friendly and they need us to go and secure the crash site

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And we're like fine say well, this is the road. This is late at night. I'm about 11 or 12 at night

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I was on guard duty that night

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So I was already up and it was my shift. We have 12 our shifts 12 on 12 off

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And where we where we rotate the

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Our section

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Now so we all went out that night we got up

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I don't know three or four of the morning and headed out in humbies

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We had about five or six hummers and we drove

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To where we needed to go and then we from there, you know, we had to hunt through the bush

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So we got there. I don't know six seven just just one daylight had just started to get light

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And well we found the area really easy because there was there was a huge

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Gash in the land where where something had crashed and it

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It didn't break anything, you know, you know, I don't know if you've ever been to a crash site where

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You know you had you know a tree you know just broken like like in half

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Everything was burned and it was like like if you had almost cut like a warm butter with a knife

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I mean it was just

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It's like it's it's like something on fire or had entered or some kind of energy at like a laser almost had like gutted

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I mean it was really strange and

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Anyway, I was I was in the front with sergeant Alan sergeant acuads we were up front

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And we were we were point basically and we were like I don't know 10 20 meters and head of everyone else

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We had we all had maps and radios and compasses

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So we knew so we wouldn't get lost

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Then basically we were the first ones to see the object

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And basically what happened is we didn't go straight up the hill

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Because basically this thing went up the hill and then off and the side of

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Of the ravine of the ridge. It's just about a 200 foot ridge at least

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Solid granite. I mean I just rock. I don't know if it's grand. It was buried in in the side of the cliff

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But anyway, we didn't go straight up

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We went to the to the to on to the left and walked up to the top of the ridge

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That's when we saw the craft

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But I mean it had landed and cut its way through the jungle and embed itself on the and like us

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I don't know what you would call it almost like a saddle or one of these kind of foothills

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It's kind of a ridge

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And I went into the side of it

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What do you mean? And I can't remember how far from the initial impact

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That when it landed it actually physically hit the deck and then went in

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I don't know how far down it was yeah, yeah, man

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It burned itself like into the deck

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You know like a footer too. I don't know. It was deep

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The terrified and confused marines climbed down the ridge to get closer to this object with Wagant getting the closest of all the marines

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Wagant Allen and Adkins observed a huge ship embedded at a 45 degree angle into the rocky cliff face

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This is the craft

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This is pretty crude two-dimensional drawing, but this is jungle here

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This was the craft and it was embedded

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And in the rock like this and I'm not sure if this tapered off or how it went

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But these right here are the hatches these two objects here

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This one was the one that was half open and you could see into it

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But I mean it was just black. It was like looking into a closet

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Amage I think from the missile and these were these large vents. They look like they went into the craft

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But I couldn't tell

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But I mean it was a shadow

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That was the only thing that really cast a shadow the rest of this

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Well, this is another thing was

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These vents casted a shadow

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Where you could see where there wasn't light

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But the sun was shining right on the object and it didn't cast a shadow

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Not on on anything. It was like kind of like absorbing the light. It was weird

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Strange there was no reflection or anything like that

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The object was a massive metallic egg or teardrop shape measuring 10 meters in height

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And 20 meters in length

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probably like three or four

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standard 53 foot trailers

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wide and about three

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Like like one two three four

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One two three four so about 16 of those together

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So it was pretty big man. It was catastrophic damage likely leading to the crash of the vehicle was visible

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No debris littered the area

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But Wagon observed an enormous gash in the rear of the craft

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Jonathan guessed this damage to be from Hawk min 23 missile batteries

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Although Hawk systems were phased out of military use in 1994

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The USMC maintained usage until 2002

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However, Wagon guessed the Hawk system used to down the craft was used by the Peruvian Air Force

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This being because the USMC phased out Hawk missiles from laser strike in early 1997

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Though he has no direct knowledge to this day Wagon after extensive studying of

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Mim 23 ballistics believes Hawk fragmentation missiles caused the damage and downing of the craft

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Yeah, well what I think happened. I think a lot of that fragmentation

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Like went into the craft and like bounced around right

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After it got hit and as it was going down

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Probably didn't come out. But like I said if the missile had hit it

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Depending on you what the craft was made of and depending on the speed of the missile and its angle and all that

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I think it

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I think it probably would have penetrated and exploded and it would have just disintegrated the ship totally

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This then presents a unique question

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How could a conventional missile down a highly advanced non-human craft

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Similar intriguing incidents like a quote-unquote one in a million targeting of a teardrop shaped UFO by a naval destroyer in 1973

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Was discussed in my last project on naval legacy programs

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Mim 23 Hawk missiles are unique. Hawks are not only able to utilize conventional missiles

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But also air burst rounds which exploded near not on a target to damage enemy

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Personnel or vehicles with devastating fragmentation

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Perhaps a conventional missile could never hit a moving UFO

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But perhaps in this case a Hawk Mim 23 got just close enough to frag and down a target

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But let's get back to the wreckage the best way Wigant could describe the craft was metallic but organic almost as if it was alive

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The object did not appear as if it was made of machine parts but more sculpted

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The craft was purplish green and fluctuating in color almost like gasoline on water

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This effect is known as the mother of pearl effect and the changing colors would sometimes even make the craft near translucent

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Well, I thought at one point it looked half like green and half purple

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And then it was kind of it was it was changing

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The image of the not not the physical properties of it how it was was constructed or whatever

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But that there was some kind of field on it and it was going

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Like I said with Greer it was like you know when you wash your car with

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You know fluid right with like palm Oliver whatever a distiturge

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And when it bubbles up it gives like the uh the color chemical rainbow it was like that

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But all over the craft and it was kind of like moving around

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We're gonna can't it so it wasn't staying on the car no no it was it was kind of like moving around and

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Going sometimes it would go like completely like

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Almost like silver right the disabled craft was dripping a liquid with the viscosity of syrup

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This liquid had poured all over the surrounding foliage

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That hatch

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That was a jar or busted open broke open that's where the liquid would seem to come from right

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And it seemed to come out of there and it was everywhere man

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Did you describe it?

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It was clear well no the the the uh

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Whatever that stuff was uh

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I don't know what to call it the fluid it was clear like just you know water or water clear

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The fluid was clear yeah but it was viscous like yeah but it was sick like maple syrup

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A large sweeping light traveled around the circumference of the vehicle that slowed until the vehicle seemingly powered off

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Along with this sweeping light Wagen could hear the craft dimming until it went silent

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Wagen described the sound as a guitar amplifier

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There was uh there was one light on it that slowly went around and the machine I could hear it

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I can hear I guess because it was still functioning and it had like a like a hum to it

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Like like a really base like say if you unplugged an amp some of the guitar that kind of

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You know it was really really you know, it's really deep

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But it was loud it was loud man. It was like a deep

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Like that like you know rap it would be it would have been like

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Several orders of magnitude louder than you know the real deep bass rap

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Boom boom boom right it was like boom

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It was woo woo like this but it was more like a

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I don't know man. I just can't describe. It's not even like that man. It's just

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Undiscribable. It was that light cycling. It's almost sounded like a chemical sound

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Like a chemical like water you kind of like sound

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Weird and that light was slowing down. Yeah, it's finally stopped right everything like shut off

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This sound of a guitar amp is almost identical to the testimony of former Marine Michael Herrera who described the same sound

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emanating from an eight-gon alien reproduction vehicle as Jonathan got closer to the craft

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He was able to make out more service details such as the craft not being smooth

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But featuring what looked to be notches and bumps 50 to 100 yards away from the craft

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Jonathan got the mysterious liquid all over what Marines call camis or battle dress uniform

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The liquid discolored his camis like acid and eight Jonathan's skin

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So you got within like a hundred and fifty or three hundred units, right? This thing was so high up on the cliff face

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You got some of this liquid on yeah, yeah, it was everywhere, man

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And what did it do to you? What did it do to your clothes? Well, I mean they took my clothes, but

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My basically my hair on my legs went away and it's never really come back

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I lost all my hair on my on my legs

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Determined yet frightened the young Lance Corporal maintained his gaze on this incredible ship the crashed vehicle additionally featured large vents on the free

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Standing side Wagant described similar to fish gills

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Though he could only see one side of the craft Jonathan wager these same gills

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He guess we're used for propulsion were featured on the other side of the craft

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Yeah, I'm a part of it look like I don't know what it was, but yeah, it had sort of like these

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And they're a really tight kind of like ellipse

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That ran down the side like got small got or

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Got progressively smaller

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And I only saw it like a couple freaking times because it was the weird I don't know what it was the

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I

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All I could say it was like some type of four-shield. I don't know what it was

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Three seemingly non flush hatches sat near the top of the craft one of these hatches being half open

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Although no lights were visible from behind the hatch

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Wagant did observe what appeared to be a four-fingered arm hanging limply from the open hatch

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This element of Wagant's testimony was seemingly cut from his

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2000 interview with Wagant confirming to me that it must have indeed been cut as he did inform Greer of this arm

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Yeah, one of the creatures was what is a arm and hand was hanging out

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He would hang it out

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Did it come out was it hanging out when you walked up to her was he was hanging out probably dying

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I don't know about the other pilot. I don't know what they were to be honest with you

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But I guess you could call him aliens or whatever

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I guess that would be yeah

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Right and yeah, one of those I think he was dying almost

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Or close to death right in the crash

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But like I said, this is this is what I call it at the time. I mean, I don't know

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This detail is very interesting as I am reminded of the 1965

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Kecksburg, Pennsylvania crash retrieval encounter where multiple eyewitnesses

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Described biologics inside the bell shaped craft whose appendages were visible once a craft hatch had opened and the vehicle was depressurized

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So you went to sergeants

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Kind of who led the bandguard got the closest to craft but you got the closest right?

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Right, I was the closest to it and the other two sergeants were kind of standing a little bit off

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Like you got the craft and

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Is that ran up to it?

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Was there anything weird about your guys's compasses?

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Combs yeah, all of that was all you know, it wasn't working

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So you come this was it just going hey liar? Yeah, we're spinning around around this same time

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Jonathan felt like a presence was reaching out to contact him

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You got a fair sense that there were

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Some kind of life forms. Yeah, so it was life forms and the ship

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I and I could they were it's almost like if someone was like reading your mind and that's the way it felt

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I felt like I felt a presence

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Just like supernatural

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But I felt this presence

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That it's real strange. I guess it was almost like I think the kree I told Leslie is I thought the creatures were

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They calm me and it was like weird never I think they were trying to communicate with me

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Like I guess telepathically. It's really weird. I don't believe it and any of that stuff

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But anyway was I could I could hear like

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It was terrible because it kept going and it still comes and goes

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It's like basically sitting in your car and turn around like an am station

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That's not the you know, it's just white noise

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Just turning it all really hard and that's what I heard when I when I first got in there

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I didn't ask any of the other guys that I was with they heard that or anything

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Jonathan was mesmerized by this presence

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He felt the creatures were informing him that everything would be all right

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But we're also requesting his help he was so spellbound

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He ignored the cries and cussings of sergeant's Alan and adkins who stood away from the craft shouting at Wagant not to get any closer

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They were they were scared and it was that the apprehension the fear and then

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The they they were not here at all of us. That's really what what it felt like and I mean that's not that's not my own emotions

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That was something that they were projecting towards me like if somebody was shot like a spotlight

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That's why I felt they were directing their thoughts at me. I mean this is not

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I mean, I didn't think about all this at the time, but it's been

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When the curances were I've seen the creatures in my my thoughts

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They know I've seen I've seen I saw them what they look like and they they projected and I didn't I didn't tell we I didn't tell Leslie this

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I was it was like yeah, it was the grades basically and I'm not just saying that

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But and I never really was into the UFO stuff and I didn't read both time while I was a kid

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Basically that the Ovo that the Ovo egghead with big dark eyes big eyes

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I know it's in a small mouth new ears. I think I've had you know dreams of them

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I don't you know said but I didn't see them, but they were not the small you know small time like three or four foot right

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They were huge and he said these were tall like eight to ten. Yeah, they were huge

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What it what with their heads like like classic yeah, it was really light and elongated

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Kind of coming up like this and they had been probably this big like balloon. Yeah, no

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Like to kind of like the more oblong shape not like the classic

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If you look at communion right the wiggly street right but the artwork they have on there

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They would not have been fat like that. They were more

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Skinny or but they were also like on kind of a skinny heart

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They were projecting that they weren't here. They were here

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They were here and they wanted you know that they were not gonna harm me

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That was basically that everything is gonna be all right just help me get this help just get out of here

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I think do it. I don't I don't know how many were on the craft

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Yeah, this is one of one. Yeah, definitely more than one

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Probably by four or five. I don't think it's just this not me not a water's number

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The communication from the occupants of the craft as well as the appearance of the craft led Jonathan to believe this vehicle was controlled by a thought

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With the massive discussion of psionics here in 2025 through the testimony of Jake Barber and Skywatchers

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This early mention of basically psionics in 2000 by waygant is extremely interesting

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Additionally, I have discussed before dating all the way back to the 1950s stories and testimonies of UFOs being controlled with consciousness

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Headband transceivers are unique control mechanisms to learn more about this subject

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I do recommend checking out my video on the claims of Colonel Philip J. Corso

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After about 15 to 20 minutes at the site

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Wagant and the other marines embarked to climb back up the ridge to rendezvous with the rest of the mac g

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28 marines when they were greeted by two to four army CH 47 helicopters

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Flying overhead preparing to land in a nearby clearing when Jonathan and the others climbed to the top of the gorge

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The marines were quickly intercepted by armed men dressed in black fatigue styled similarly to a SWAT team

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It was almost like they were there already

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They were on the ground already and and whoever was flying over

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Was coming in after they these guys had landed so I'm and I'm not sure where they they landed where they were

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But they were just there on top of it was like within a few minutes and so

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It's I can't remember exactly how it's speculation on your part. You don't know for sure

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But you think it's possible that team may have been there first. Yeah, they were all they were definitely there first

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And they were monitoring us too. I'm sure they knew we were in the area. We got up there and you're

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But they looked army, but they didn't have you know in sygney on

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Right, they were same color and all this these men spoke with American dialects but bore no insignia patches or identification

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The men were older in their late 30s and 40s and immediately showed signs of extreme hostility and aggression

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Black BDU's right with that what what what the army would call BDU's

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Like our camis right there like our our

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Fatigue's but they would have been totally black totally black shirt and they'd helmet on

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Um, no the guys that were on the deck. No, they had this off

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They had boonie caps and they had just the soft army covers

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Round army covers. Do you remember what kind of weapons they had was it back here or none of the Marines?

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I think they had MP3s and and

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Gloucks and shotguns

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Okay, so I think maybe there was a few m16s. I mean this has been a long time

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They had many guns on the on the on the 47s. So the CHs actually had they had many guns on the side

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Did they have a man out the gun? Yeah, they had a man and he was wearing like the skull type of freaking hell with me

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It's like a real wicked. Yeah, I look satanet. Yeah, so when when this team encountered you guys did they have their weapons trained at you?

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We know that gunpoint. Oh, yeah

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And so they immediately start do they strip you guys up gear? What do they rough you up? Yeah, no, they were

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Setting our gear up and taking them out and throwing it out and empty and all our pockets and everything later in our investigation

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We will devote a significant amount of time to attempt to track down the origin of this team

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So sit tight for a little bit having the jump on the Marines the unknown operators stripped

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Wagant Allen and adkins of their gear and weapons the young Lance Corporal took a swing at one of the men

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Cracking him on his head for his transgressions

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Jonathan was beaten restrained and forced to lie down face down on the jungle floor getting even more of the strange liquid on him

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During this scuffle a team of near 30 began departing the landed CH-47 helicopters

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This team featured individuals in rain jackets bearing three letters delta Oscar echo

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Oh, yeah, they were like signs this I suppose they had this type of like

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um

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We call it mop gear right mission oriented protective posture and they had gas mass on and like rubber seats

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And they were they were coming around and yet all kinds of weird people there

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Some had some version of mop or personal protective posture on and personal protective gear and

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It was all different ones different kinds

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D.O.E. is of course the acronym for the infamous Department of Energy the successor to the Atomic Energy Commission

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Who's 1954 Atomic Energy Act historically served as a monolith to misclassify UFO materials and data as quote-unquote

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classified foreign nuclear information

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Is there any indication that the Department of Energy is involved in UAP data collection and housing?

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I don't have an answer

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I can't confirm or deny that in public setting

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And could you do it in a secure setting?

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Yes

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The D.O.E. really needs no introduction

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Whether it's my work the reporting of Chris Sharp or the words of David grush the D.O.E. is almost always mentioned as a primary pillar of UFO legacy program operations

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Key and my work are the numerous implications of the D.O.E's FFRDCs or federally funded research and development centers

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Such as Lawrence Livermore National Labs

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Los Alamos National Labs

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Sandia National Labs and D.O.E. contractors such as Triad National Security

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One-third of which is run by Betel Memorial Institutes direct involvement in technologies of unknown origin

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exploitation programs and similar to the seasoned operators soon in this video

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We will attempt to track down exactly what this D.O.E. team was where they were stationed and more

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In addition to the people in Department of Energy range jackets

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The team featured members dressed in biological containment suits dawned with D.O.E. lettering

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We can't describe these as similar to spacesuits

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It wasn't like that it was more high-tech like this big jump suits that you zip up the back

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And you can like wear a breather apparatus in there

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Those guys there was about 30 of them at least

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And they marched right by me as I was I was being taken away

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They were marching to get down into the cliff

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I guess they were in there to check this thing out

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These suits mentioned, reminded closely of myriad crash retrieval team testimonies

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I have covered in the past and I'm immediately reminded of iWitness accounts to the 1965

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Kexberg, Pennsylvania UFO crash

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Where witnesses claimed that men in quote-unquote moon suits carried boxes and equipment into the crash site

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A little while later there was a large truck pulled in

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A light colored truck

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Box van pipe

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Out of it there was four guys come on they had what we call moon suits at the time

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They were white cover all types suit

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They took a box out of there

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Box maybe four or five foot square

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They carried in four handles

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And they carried that down to the object

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But just right after that there was a military man

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After being restrained and beaten by the operators

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Jonathan was stripped is underwear by the men in containment suits before having his feet bound and was handcuffed to a stretcher

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Did the other two sergeants have any liquid on them?

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No, nothing I remember I'm the only one I think got hit with all that

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Because they were they did not go up under the the craft and then the very close immediate vicinity of it

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At this time, Wagant was separated from Alan and Adkins and taken aboard one of the team's helicopters

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Now that they said that you know that that that that I was they were constantly saying that I was a

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Why don't you why don't you

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Whoever you know paying attention to orders you want to be there and you're not supposed to see this and

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You know you're gonna be dangerous if we let you go and all this stuff

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I mean I thought I was gonna probably were gonna kill me really I found the head

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Finish you

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Wagant was flown to a base different than his deployment site

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This location featured significantly more permanent structures than his radar site and Jonathan

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Guess this was partially a Peruvian military installation

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Curiously here Wagant observed not just Americans on site, but many nationalities

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There's a lot of other nationalities there are Chinese

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Germans I think we're there. I mean a lot of the people were at this other base

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But I mean this thing was really I mean I didn't go in and all they did was take me to like a like us

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You couldn't call itself was more of like um

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It was more like an interrogation room, but I sat in there for only 15 hours

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Yeah, they were merch man. That was the other thing because uh

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Yeah, and a lot of those dudes didn't the Chinese there was two Chinese dudes there that I remember they spent variable English

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But they were in the German the Germans put Peruvian

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They were military fatigues. Yeah, same black black came today weapons. Yeah, pistols

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I would assume that they were gocs, but I didn't I couldn't see them because they're they're the standard

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US pistol like and it covers it up. They were holstered on the hill. Yeah, right

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So this these guys by their black cameys may have been from the same team. Yeah, I was looking at them

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And they yelled I mean they're not for me not to look at them look at them

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Wow, I didn't think they wanted me to remember them. That's what they want. They did that from what you could see

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What were they doing where they just kind of at general station? Yeah, just

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Whatever they were doing. I don't know what they were doing with whatever

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I have a strong thesis of where this location might be and we will discuss this soon

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Wagant was not taken into a cell or forced into isolated barracks

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But was instead taken underground and sequestered in an interrogation room where he was contained for up to two days

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During this halacia stay Jonathan was interrogated and tormented by one of the operators who detained him

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I couldn't really read readily identify any of these guys

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But I knew I knew that I knew one of them was at the crash site because they were one of the guys that I recognize because he was in

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Black fatigue and he's like what you see and he's like we're in the ground

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You know he goes are you a patriot? You like the Constitution? I'm like yeah, he's like well

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We don't we do it. We know we're on our own program. You know we don't obey we just do what we want

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He's like yeah, and they're like when they're growling and they're relishing you know and they're yelling at me and they're

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Hullering the cursing will get and see anything you know and we'll do you and your whole family

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They're you know was it was basically that for about eight or nine hours. I mean they took breaks

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Basically, they're like look man. We're gonna we're gonna just we're gonna take you off in the helicopter

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Who's taking so out of the jungle? You're just gonna do you know? We're gonna end you at all this and

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They did physically they didn't physically put their hands on him

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I was sitting in a chair and I was handcuffed in the chair and I couldn't

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So basically, you know, it was just this this like harassment

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Towards the end of his confinement a lieutenant colonel from the Air Force visited Wagon

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This colonel bore no name tag nor did he disclose his identity the colonel threatened Wagon's life repeatedly

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Telling him this clandestine operation would have no trouble leaving Wagon at dead in the jungle

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The colonel then made Wagon sign multiple documents securing his silence on his incredible yet horrific encounter

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And he told me you know, you know, you know, if we just took you out in the jungle

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You know, they'd never find you out there and I'm like

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And you know, I didn't want to say you know, you know

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I don't want to test and see if you really do that. So I said yeah

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It's like you got to sign these papers and you never saw this and

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I don't exist in this situation never happened and if you tell anybody

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You know, you'll just come up messing and he was a real embrace of just just just a cynical

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I guess the best way to put it

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What what papers well there it was a the standard form that you signed for it's like it's almost like a waiver

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I don't know. I'd probably be out of a fun other people like that. I guess it's it's for if you if you've seen something

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Not supposed to your just sign that you didn't see it or whatever is based on a security phone

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I believe man, and there were two of those that I signed and after that I was driven back to my base

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Jonathan was finally driven back to his original radar installation

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This is a key point here for our upcoming investigation

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Wagant was in close enough proximity to be driven back to the original base and not flown

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I don't remember leaving though, but I know I went out because they they they put a

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They put a mask over me. I had a mask over me when I when I got to the base they put it on

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Before I got out of the helicopter

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And when I left from where I was where they held me they put one on

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I mean it had something open where I could breathe, but I couldn't see

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And I couldn't hear and they brought me out and they took me to this flatline

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Jonathan was segregated with use af personnel at his original base for three weeks before being sent back

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To cherry point while there Jonathan had no opportunity to contact Alan adkins or the other marines by may of 97

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While still in service Jonathan became tormented by the event

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Experiencing horrific nightmares missing time and weird dreams none of these symptoms had occurred before witnessing the crash

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To this day Jonathan maintains there were internal USMC attempts to make him appear unstable and an unreliable witness

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By late 97 Jonathan confessed to using banned substances so we could be discharged by the marines

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Around this time Mac G 28 and the criminal investigation division made his life horrific and by March of 1998

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Wagant was discharged now

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Let's move over to investigating the retrieval encounter in extreme detail and attempt to break down every single detail of this retrieval

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After we climbed back up the I think the DOE Department of Energy people were there

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They knew about it and I don't know why we went there

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Still in this day, but anyway, I was arrested

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I had all my gear taken from me by men and black hammies had no new name tags. They were older men

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Proggin their third late 30s or 40s

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I got a little scuffle with them and I hit one of them. I took a swing one

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And I hit him the forehead

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You said they had it yeah, they had they had the big D you know Delta Oscar echo on the back of their back at a couple the guys were wearing like these uh these range jackets

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Because it had been raining the fall of the previous day and

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They were in there and there were other guys are wearing containment like biological suits

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It wasn't like that. It was more high-tech like this big jump suits

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You zip up the back and you can like wear a breather apparatus in there

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Those guys there was about 30 of them at least and they marched right by me as I was I was being taken away

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They were marching to get down into the cliff. I guess they were in there to check this thing out

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On their black uniforms was there any sign of rank? No, no, no rank. Okay. No name tags none of that

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But when you encounter these guys was there any semblance that there was a hierarchy? Oh, yeah

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They were definitely yeah, there was definitely hard the team leader was he an aggressive one or

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They were all aggressive. I just I don't know to be honest. Could you gauge the temperament of the DOE team? Did they seem to focus on the mission? What

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No, they were

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Kind of like power man. No crazy running around swimming like rats. Yeah, do they have any equipment? Yeah, I don't know what it was

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Before we investigate let's quickly review Jonathan's encounter with this unknown

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military and scientific team near the crash site ignoring cries of danger by Sergeant Alan and Sergeant Adkins

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Lance Corporal Wagon cut only 15 to 20 minutes at the crash site before two to four US Army

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C-H-47 Chinooks began to land in the nearby hasty LZ

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climbing out of the ravine the Marines were met by operators in black camis featuring no insignia or identification

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These operators who spoke with American dialects likely arrived prior to the teams in the C-H-47s and disarmed and apprehended the Marines

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Being a rambunctious young soldier Wagon took a swing at one of the clandestine operators connecting his fist with the man's head

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These rogue operators restrained Jonathan and forcefully laid him face down on the ground

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Or he got more of the strange clear syrupy liquid on him while Jonathan was being restrained a group of maybe 30

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began walking from the landed C-H-47s down into the crash site in the ravine

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The personnel were comprised largely of men in rain jackets marked Delta Oscar echo or DOE

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aka the Department of Energy

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Alongside these men were multiple individuals in suits and hazmat gear

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Jonathan described as mission-oriented protective posture or mob gear

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Jonathan was forced to strip to his underwear discarding the clothes covered in the mysterious liquid by the suit clad DOE personnel before having his hands cuffed

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Feet bound and he was then carried on to a stretcher to one of the C-H-47s

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Jonathan was not taken aboard with Sergeant Atkins and Sergeant Allen

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But instead isolated and forcefully taken to an unknown camp

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Let's pause here and break this down

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Jonathan's mention of DOE assets in the Peruvian jungle gives us some extremely actionable data points

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Remember Wagon and his fellow Marines learned about the crash between 11 pm and midnight

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Departed to investigate around 3 to 4 am and arrive to the crash site around 6 to 7 am

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From intelligence to arrival the Marines took a maximum of 8 hours

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In roughly the same time span plus maybe an extra hour or two if the Department of Energy was privy to advance signals intelligence of the UFO being targeted

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Possibly by Peruvian Hawk Mim 23 missile batteries

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The DOE was able to mobilize American personnel, assets and containment suits to secure the crash area

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This would imply the recovery team was highly organized and likely a rapid reaction recovery unit

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This unit was able to plan, mobilize, execute and contain a UFO crash retrieval site within roughly 8 to 9 hours

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Remember back to my work on USO retrievals and the deep submergence rescue vehicle under project sand dollar

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Such immersibles were deployable anywhere in the world within 72 hours

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This 30 plus man team was able to deploy and react to Peru in roughly 11% of that 72 hours

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In numerous videos in the past I have spoken about UFO crash retrieval rapid recovery units

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Whether this be the USAF Blue Berets allegedly on site for the 1965 Kexpert Pennsylvania crash retrieval

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The Blue Boys rapid retrieval in transport helicopter units relayed to Leonard Stringfield

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Or the rapid response USAF unit first on site to the 1953 Kingman Arizona crash

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Stories of highly structured and efficient dedicated UFO recovery units are inseparable from UFO crash retrieval testimonies

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In fact, Wagant's description of the on-site team reminds me extremely closely of an enigmatic brutal

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And perplexing UFO crash recovery case I have covered before in extreme detail

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The 1974 Koyamae Mexico UFO crash retrieval

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This case has very little in the form of evidence-based paper trails

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But outlines an incredible and logical crash retrieval encounter

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In this case US intelligence agencies specifically the CIA monitored a UFO from the Gulf of Mexico

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That after a series of jagged and abrupt turns crashed into the northern Chiwawa part of Mexico

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According to the primary source document of this case, the allegedly leaked

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Denebri port the CIA mobilized a rapid recovery unit out of Fort Bliss, Texas

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This team arrived on site from four unmarked helicopters including UH-1 Huey's and CH-53

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Super Stallions equipped with Hasmat Gear

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Hasmat or Mob Gear was required at this crash site according to the Denebri port

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Because of a whole containment breach of toxic materials, gas, or liquid

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Out of the UFO that subsequently killed the Mexican military retrieval team

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There is of course an argument the US rapid recovery team killed these Mexican soldiers

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But that is not our topic

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Let's remain in 1974 to attempt to uncover the origins of this DOE team

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This year saw the creation of the Department of Energy and National Nuclear Security Administration's

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Nuclear Emergency Support Team, formerly known as the Nuclear Emergency Search Team

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aka NEST

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Previously, I have labeled NEST as the on-site retrieval science team

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Wagant encountered in the jungles of Peru in 1997

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Just like other excellent researchers like RGH UFOs did before me

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Today however, I have even stronger conviction NEST handled the recovery of a non-human vehicle

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And hazardous containment breach of a mysterious liquid suffered

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By a young Marine during Operation Laser Strike

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But what is this NEST?

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NEST, or Nuclear Emergency Support Team, was created under executive order 12656

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NEST was founded as a DOE specialized nuclear emergency organization that assisted the FBI

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and numerous government agencies by, quote,

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Providing technical expertise and advice in response to a variety of potential incident threats

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involving nuclear materials, end quote

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Analyzing a 1996 NEST briefing, the closest available document to the time of our crash

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NEST engaged in myriad deployment activities serving as an operational emergency management team

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or OEMT and also as a threat credibility assessor ensuring NEST was the, quote,

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unquote, initial party to the scene

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On mission deployment sites, NEST would restrict access, perform diagnostics and threat mitigation actions,

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agency planning and coordination as well as handle disablement and cleanup

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In short, NEST operated as an umbrella organization to handle all nuclear and

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radiological emergencies for the Department of Energy

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The mission of NEST is to be, quote, prepared to respond immediately to any type of

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radiological accident or incident anywhere in the world

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Around 1996, NEST enjoyed its own arsenal of vehicles including high-tech vans, MBB,

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BO 105 helicopters and numerous jets including Cessna Citation 2's

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That featured a max speed of 464 miles per hour and remember that speed as it will become

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quite important later on

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Now it is crucial to mention NEST personnel did not consist of armed operators

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therefore it is safe to assume the operators and black camis were not NEST operators

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Though it is possible they were still DOE assets, we will get to that soon

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Personnel in NEST circa 1996 included chemists, engineers, health physicists,

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management and logistics personnel, nuclear physicists, analysts, etc

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The corporate team members of the nuclear emergency support team consisted of some familiar faces to this channel

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NEST forces have historically been comprised of contractors rather than the Department of Defense

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Not only did NEST partner with Raytheon but also EGNG, Los Alamos National Labs,

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Sandia National Labs and Lawrence Livermore National Labs

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As we discussed earlier, a cornerstone of my work is discussing the missing link of US

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government corporate UFO legacy programs

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The subject matter expert federally funded research and development centers are FFRDCs

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Alongside institutions like the Miter Corporation, RAND Corporation, Center for Naval Analysis,

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Los Alamos, Sandia and Lawrence Livermore National Labs operate as FFRDCs for the US Department of Defense

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Sandia and Lawrence Livermore were also directly accused by USF Master Sergeant Edgar Fouche

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as engineering the propulsion devices from the reverse engineer Triangular Craft, the TR3B

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I've also discussed Sandia National Labs as implicated in UFO technology transfer with AT&T

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and Bell Labs as well as serving as a UFO legacy program location

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To how's craft and biologics has outlined in the disputed Majestic 12

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and Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit documents

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And a quick side note, while these documents I just mentioned may be disputed

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The Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit was proven to exist through FOIA requests done by UFO

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researcher William Steinman in the 1980s However, according to the Army, no records of this unit

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existed due to what existing only through institutional memory

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Los Alamos, Sandia and Lawrence Livermore are labs intimately entwined with UFO lore

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Quite recently, I discussed provable subterranean facilities existing below Sandia and Los Alamos

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and their possible connection to UFO legacy programs

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And one of NES partners EG&G really needs no introduction

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This former contractor is infamous in UFO lore

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Serving as the contractor Bob Lazar claimed employed him to attempt to reverse engineer UFO propulsion devices at Area 51S4

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EG&G's Nevada parking lot also served as the meeting place for the disputed but likely accurate

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2002 Wilson Davis meeting notes

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Funny enough, NEST themselves in a 1995 NEST assessment team report stated quote

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The laboratory program managers enjoy a relatively high degree of autonomy and independence

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with respect to focusing efforts and funding on those elements of their internal programs

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which they have deemed to be the most important, end quote

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This intriguing and free management style around NEST laboratories

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arose from the laboratory's heavy focus on research and development activities during formative years

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Under executive order 12656 which created NEST, the primary authority to NEST was the 1954 Atomic Energy Act

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mention of the Atomic Energy Commission's Atomic Energy Act of 1954 should immediately set off alarm bells

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This 1954 act has been labeled specifically in the Schumer Rounds legislation as a system for misclassifying UFO data in materials

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Historically misclassifying them as transclassified foreign nuclear information or by the acronym TFNI

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Whether the UFO Wagen encountered emitted signs of radiological signatures when tracked by laser strike radar

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or intelligence agency radars matters not

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As UFO materials have historically been hidden within the exact 1954 act that provided oversight to NEST

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However, it is indeed possible this craft emitted signatures of interest to attract the eyes of the DOE

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Recently I covered a 1991 deep-sea UFO retrieval case in which a triangular craft that had sat on the sea for 30 or 40 years

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was recovered by a naval DSRV crew due to survey ships recognizing radioactive signatures from the sea floor

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Further intriguing links exist between Jonathan's testimony and NEST

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In February of 1997 just one to two months before Wagen's encounter NEST introduced the JTOT or Joint Technical Operations team

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This team aimed to provide deployable and technical operational support for NEST to DOD at even faster speeds than present NES teams

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and this team operated 365 days a year at 24 hours a day

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Let's reference diffusing Armageddon inside NEST America's secret nuclear bomb squad by author Jeffrey T. Richardson

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The same author of the US intelligence community that provided extremely valuable information on the National Underwater Reconnaissance Office

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Around 1997 Russia blasted a probe from the Baikonur Cosmodron in Kazakhstan

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carrying the Mars 96 probe the fourth stage of this proton rocket failed leaving the rocket unable to escape Earth

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Mars 96 did not carry an onboard nuclear reactor but did in fact carry 18 small energy generators powered by plutonium 238

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But this was enough to get NEST's attention

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US Space Command estimated the probe was large enough some pieces would survive reentry

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and the unlucky countries of origin were estimated to be Bolivia or Colombia

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NEST debated deployment to Bolivia or Colombia two countries considered quote-unquote not very important

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but ceased action once surviving debris landed west of South America in the Pacific Ocean

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What is interesting here is that the same U.S. Wigance encounter NEST considered deployment to recover a probe in countries neighboring Peru

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NEST acted off intelligence gathered from US Space Command and their defense support program DSP satellites

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and now I have made an entire video on the subject of fast walkers a term used by US Northcom and NORAD

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To designate any strange object leaving or entering Earth's atmosphere at incredible speeds

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In the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign leaks communications were found between Clinton campaign manager John Podesta and USG contractor Bob Fish

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In these exchanges fish stated quote one of the government programs that collects hard data on unidentified flying objects is the USF DSP satellite program

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In the same video I covered an incredible DSP fast walker case related journalist and former Army criminal investigation command agent Joseph Stafula

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This case allegedly saw a UFO traveling at 22,000 miles per hour towards Earth pass within 1.5 miles of a DSP satellite before changing course

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And by the way guess which US agency has a history of developing and managing DSP satellites

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Yes the NRO or National Reconnaissance Office remember from numerous projects of mine and the incredible articles of Chris Sharp

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The NRO has been labeled time and time again as a big five US intelligence agency that provides various forms of satellite intelligence for UFO domestic and foreign crash retrieval incidents

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All this out of Jeffrey T. Richardson's work is to say that there are provable instances of DSP satellites and NEST working in conjunction

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The same year as Wagon's testimony to cover debris in South America

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I think for Wagon's case it is highly likely the NRO managed DSP satellites monitoring the egg-shaped crafts crashing in Peru and deployed a NEST rapid recovery unit to secure the site

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What strengthens this thesis even more is the fact Wagon himself mentioned a bunker below the laser strike radar station that was tracking UFOs

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As we discussed while performing perimeter security Wagon would state how he overheard USF personnel discussing aircraft flying in and out of atmosphere at Mach 10 plus or almost 7700 miles per hour

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Also recall how Wagon mentioned US Army CH-47s deploying the DOE team

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In a declassified 1995 NEST assessment team report we can see the DOE ensured with the Department of Defense that suitable military aircraft would be made

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immediately available to support an emergency deployment of NEST forces and equipment

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NEST also worked closely with the US Naval Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technology Division and US Army 52nd Ordnance Group

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It is possible in this instance the CH-47 belong to NEST Army partners

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Indeed the US Army South did begin supporting counter-drug operations in South America in 1995 by providing aircraft such as 4 UH-60A or Black Hawks

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for such operations until 1 November 1997

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But what I think here is that it's quite probable these Army CH-47s used to transport the NEST team were from the first battalion 228th Aviation Regiment

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1-228th Aviation is part of Joint Task Force Bravo

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A US Southcom forward-based Expeditionary Task Force operating to promote stability and security by countering transnational threats including Narco traffic

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Throughout the 90s JTF Bravo conducted numerous missions in Central and South America and saw the US Army 7th Special Forces we discussed earlier

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Work alongside the 128th Aviation in support of the Peru Ecuador 1995 Border Disputes

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And interestingly enough, throughout the 90s 1-228th Aviation had headquartered in Panama and Honduras and featured a fleet of helicopters including CH-47 Chinooks

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I do need to quickly mention we are faced with an additional possibility of the origin of these helicopters

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As we move on to discuss the Black operators and US Special Forces we must also discuss the 1-60th Special Operations Aviation Regiment

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A US Army Special Forces Special Mission Unit that provides helicopter aviation support for Special Operations Forces

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Nicknamed the Night Stockers, the 1-60th often works with Joint Special Operations Command

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The Night Stockers are some of the Army's greatest qualified aviators, crew chiefs and support soldiers

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and employ a massive fleet of helicopters including numerous CH-47 Chinooks

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The Night Stockers have even deployed on several missions of interest here including recovering a down Soviet helicopter in June of 1988

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Now there is no record of the Night Stockers performing operations in South America during the 1990s

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In fact, closest we can get is deployment out of Panama for Operation Desert Storm in 91

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Obviously, with Special Forces operations there would likely be next to no record of covert activities by the 1-60th SOR in the region

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But the reason I suspect the 128th Aviation from JTF Bravo CH-47 Chinooks were used over the highly qualified Special Operations Force

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The Night Stockers is because of provable CH-47s existing under the 128th Aviation and South Com's domain at the time of our crash retrieval incident

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The Night Stockers are stationed out of Fort Campbell, Kentucky and it is technically impossible for the team to afflone Chinooks to Peru and commence the operation in the roughly 9 hours we outlined for the DOE team

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But this is all to say it is very possible elements of the Night Stockers were stationed in South Com's domain as part of a UFO rapid recovery

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team especially if laser strike had already monitored numerous UFOs

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But for now, we are forced to look at provable existing vehicles in the region that would satisfy the retrieval operation

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And now this brings us to the armed men and black camis with no insignia

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I do think we are faced with a few possibilities here

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In the same 1995 NEST Assessment Team report, we can see NEST additionally worked alongside US Special Operations and US Navy Special Operations

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I have often spoken reflected on the work of excellent journalist Chris Sharp exposing the CIA's Office of Global Access

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Born in 2003, out of the CIA Directorate of Science and Technology, the Office of Global Access or OGA was accused by Sharp as participating in foreign UFO crash recovery operations

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While OGA provided operational logistics and intelligence agencies provided various forms of intelligence

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Sharp labeled JSOC or Joint Special Operations Command as serving as the boots on the ground force for such retrieval operations

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And as we discussed earlier, Joint Special Operations Command is a subordinate command within Special Operations Command

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Sharp, myself and others have accused JSOC in the SOCOM as participating directly in UFO crash retrievals

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Interestingly, JSOC is comprised of the best of the best of US Special Forces, Delta Force, SEAL Team 6, the 24th STS, Regimental Reconnaissance Company and the Intelligence Support Activity

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The shadowy intelligence support activity is often known as the most mysterious unit of JSOC

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Task Force Orange, as it sometimes referred to, was originally created under US Army INSCOM or Intelligence and Security Command

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US Army INSCOM was created under General Albert Stubblebine, a figure famous in UFO lore

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Stubblebine showed keen interest in utilizing SIE phenomena such as remote viewing for military usage and has also been accused by numerous individuals such as Philip J. Corso and Stephen Greer

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As participating directly in UFO Legacy program operations at Fort Hachuka, Arizona

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All this is to say, I do think it is highly likely Wagon Encounter to unmarked SOCOM or JSOC units alongside the DOE-NESS team

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The question here is, were these units currently stationed in Peru for Laser Strike or deployed rapidly from a base similar to the DOE-NESS crew?

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This is up for debate, but I do have my own strong thesis here

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Let's break this down

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Wagon did state during his deployment performing perimeter security for Laser Strike he did encounter special forces operators training

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As a matter of fact, US special forces were deployed to Peru during this time

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Let us analyze in 1996 to 1997 document pulled from the Defense Technical Information Center titled The US Military and Drug War in Peru

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As we mentioned earlier, this document details 14 special forces counter drug deployments to Peru

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conducted by US Southcom or US Southern Command

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These forces would regularly engage in riverine training

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As it turns out and this will become extremely important soon, US Southcom held the Mar-Forlant Marine Forces Atlantic Riverine training team in IKITOS Peru for utilization under Operation Laser Strike

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IKITOS is a host to all sorts of US military installations of interest we will touch on soon

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Circling back, there is the Southcom unit deployed to Peru in 1997 we discussed earlier

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I highly suspect did indeed intercept Wagon and his fellow Marines and secured a UFO crash site

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These being the US Army 7 Special Forces Unit Aka, the US Army Green Berets

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Due to their consistent execution of US Southcom missions including a historical presence training and countering narcotic distribution in Central and South America

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Especially in Northern Peru, I wager here the Army 7 Special Forces were quote-unquote recruited by DOE NEST to serve as the enforcement arm of a UFO crash retrieval operation

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Now there is a secondary argument here of who these operators could be far less likely in my opinion but still worth exploring

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This being the Department of Energy Special Response team

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These anti-nuclear terrorist teams are the DOE's own elite task force

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An elite operator force entrusted with moving nuclear arsenals across the continental United States

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The Special Response team has a rest on site authority and at least in the 1980s donned all black camis similar to that outfits described by Wagon

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Historically in the late 90s, DOE SRT units also provided security for sensitive DOE defense nuclear facilities including

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Low Salamost National Labs and Lawrence Livermore National Labs sound familiar

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These teams were trained by Wagon Hut

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Wagon Hut was a private security company I have talked about extensively had historically guarded USA legacy programs sites through their industrial security expertise

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Former CIA director and director of Naval Intelligence Admiral Bobby Ray Inman who admitted to NASA Mission Specialist Bob Eschler

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recovered UFOs may one day become available for scientific research

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One served as chairman of Wagon Hut

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While I can find no data to suggest DOE SRTs have ever operated outside of the United States

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It stands to reason such a team could travel with nest assets to incredibly sensitive materials such as a crashed UFO protected by the 1954 Atomic Energy Agreement Act

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After all our investigation into the team with Delta Oscar Echo on their protection suits and rain jackets as well as the armed anonymous Americans and black camis I think we can construct a powerful thesis

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US forces engaged encounter narcotics reconnaissance systems for Operation Laser Strike monitored a UFO

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In addition to radar it is likely the defense support program satellites run by the NRO either picked up the same UFO or elements of laser strike were also involved with the defense support program

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The UFO then crashed in Wagon's estimate this crash was caused as we discussed earlier by Peruvian Air Force surface to air Hawk Mim 23 missile batteries

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From data gathered by intelligent sources likely DSP with support from the NRO a DOE nest retrieval team was dispatched via internal nest jet assets

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With a point of origin in the mainland United States the southern most nest facility here is Sandia National Labs in New Mexico

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The nest team either departed with a DOE special response team SRT or leveraged green beret special forces assets to provide on-site protection for securing the crash zone

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Nest also leveraged for their DOD authority several US Army CH-47 Chinooks from either the 160th SOAR Nightstockers

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or 1-228th Aviation from JTF Bravo station nearby in US Southcom territory

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During the crash recovery and deployment of on-site directives nest in the first to arrived armed entourage encountered a group of Marines that had happened upon the crash site first

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One Marine resisted detainment and was confined due to coming in contact with possibly hazardous materials leaking from the non-human craft

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The young Marine was stripped of his contaminated clothes by nest personnel in biohazard suits

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isolated from his fellow Marines and taken to a secure base with medical facilities for quarantine interrogation and debrief

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The MACG-28 Marine was held in isolation for up to 48 hours, threatened repeatedly, and forced under fear of death to sign confidentiality agreements

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The Marine was then driven back to his operational base where he was soon forced to return to Cherry Point North Carolina

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Okay, now that we have outlined our thesis let's step back and explore this piece by piece

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We must start by analyzing where exactly was Jonathan Wagan stationed and where may of this crash occurred

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Operation Laser Strike was conducted primarily in Pukalpa Peru, however

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There were two secondary locations that supported Operation Laser Strike and Peruvian Counter-Drug operations while also featuring TPS-43 radar systems within IKITOS and ANDOAS

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Many familiar with the case of Wagan believes he was stationed at Pukalpa, the primary laser strike facility

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And while this is indeed possible I would like to propose a secondary possible station

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Elements of Laser Strike are still classified to this day and I know this because I've spoken to one of the Marines Wagan't described he was with in his testimony

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The Marine refused to discuss many details of Laser Strike with me since the operation was still classified

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To me this partially rules out Pukalpa as the base at which Jonathan, Alan, Adkins and others were stationed

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Pukalpa at least since 2001 has received public publicity as a Laser Strike location

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One of the Marines I talked to's unwillingness to speak about their base of operations leads me to believe it was not Pukalpa

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Furthermore, Wagan't stated his unit flew into Lima, Peru via C-130

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Then took a multiple hour flight with one stop to travel to their operational base

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Jonathan was unaware of where exactly this location was and Pukalpa is around 300 miles from Lima

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At the cruise speed of a C-130 this journey from Lima to Pukalpa would take less than one hour

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However, there was a Laser Strike location up north in Peru that existed more than 630 miles away from Lima

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At a cruising speed a C-130 would take near two hours to complete this journey

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With an added stop this satisfies our journey conditions of several hours

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This Laser Strike location is Yusaf Detachment 5 in Iquitos, Peru

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Detachment 5 is a very private installation I can only find one mention of in the 1990s or onward

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Iquitos is home to Yusaf radar detachment 5, the Mar-Forlant Riverine training team discussed earlier

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In Namru 6, now called Namru South

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aka the Navy Medical Research Unit

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All three of these locations significance will become apparent very soon

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Especially when Wagant discussed the facility he was taken to by the DOE team and the permanent structures there on site

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Now I can find next to no information about the Andoas Laser Strike site

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But these aforementioned locations at Iquitos lead me strongly to believe Iquitos is the correct location

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Wagant stated his radar station was tracking narcotics traffic from Bolivia

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Analyzing narco routes from 1998 we can see drug transport routes passing directly through Iquitos, Peru

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But let's go step by step through the incident and try to reconstruct Wagant's encounter

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Jonathan was informed of a crashed aircraft near 11 pm to midnight

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By 3 to 4 am the Lance Corporal Sargentadkins, Sargent Allens, and multiple Marines and Humvees departed for the crash area

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After a combination of driving and trekking the Marines reached the crash area as the sun was rising

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Around 6 to 7 am

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What this means is that from the time the Marines left their base of operations which I highly suspect is the enigmatic use-aff

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Radar Detachment 5 in Iquitos, Peru

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To the time the Marines got to the crash only between 2 and 4 hours had he lapsed

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But let's break this down

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Remember, Wagant claimed the Marines drove Humvees and trek to the crash area

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Wagant would also make mention that while he was analyzing the craft up close he was incredibly sweaty

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But made no mention of fatigue due to the hiking

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While a Marine equipped with a full loadout and weapon would certainly get quite sweaty quickly in the Peruvian air

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Average temperatures in March and Peru are only 77 degrees Fahrenheit with the sunrise temp being much cooler

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Due to these factors we will take the average time he lapsed to the crash site 3 hours

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And assume the Marines drove for 2 and a half hours and trek for 30 minutes

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Humvees drive at max speeds of 70 miles per hour but operate conservatively especially on jungle terrain and roads

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Therefore we will assume the caravan of Marines traveled at 35 miles per hour

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At 2 and a half hours of driving this means if the Marines traveled in a straight line

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The soldiers could have traveled near 88 miles

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The average human hike set roughly 2 to 3 miles per hour

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And we will assume here trained soldiers who got a pep in their step could trek 2 miles in 30 minutes

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With this information and a tremendous amount of error and I fully understand my calculations are based on heavy assumptions

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We can assume the crash occurred in a 90 mile radius outside of IKITOS

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To try and correct for some of my error here I will give a plus minus of 25% error

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We are then left with this general area of where the crash may have occurred

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Now recall, Wagen did say the crash occurred just over the border

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But he stated the Bolivian border, specifically 5 to 10 miles from the Bolivian border

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Now if Wagen's testimony is true, this means he either got the border of Bolivia incorrect

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Confusing the country with the borders of either Brazil or Colombia

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Or he was stationed at a secretive location in southeast Peru that featured multiple camps and permanent structures

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Now I tend to believe the former and that Jonathan Miss spoke

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As his laser strike installation was tasked with tracking Bolivian narco traffic

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and IKITOS employed a significant amount of US DOD permanent structures

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and assets that line up with Jonathan's testimony and the timeline of events

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What reinforces this thesis is the point we discussed earlier

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that the US Army's 7th Special Forces and Joint Task Force Bravo

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containing the first battalion 228th Aviation Regiment

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had historically conducted US Southcom missions in northern Peru during the 1955 Peru Ecuador border dispute

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So it is interesting the men in black camis i-wager where US Army's 7th Special Forces were already available to secure the crash site in northern Peru

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Anyways, we can conclude from the exploration above

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Wagen, Adkins and the fellow Marines uncovered the crashed UFO 5 to 10 miles from either the Colombian or Brazilian border

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in one of these two general regions

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Within 15 to 20 minutes of the Marines arriving, the crash site was secured by multiple US Army CH-47 helicopters, DOE personnel

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An armed men in black camis Wagen is certain arrived to the scene before the CH-47s

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It was almost like they were there already, they were on the ground already

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and whoever was flying over was coming in after these guys had landed so I'm

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and I'm not sure where they landed where they were

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but they were just there on top of this like within a few minutes

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That's true, I can't remember exactly how

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It's speculation on your part you don't know for sure but you think it's possible that team may have been there first

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Yeah, they were all definitely there first

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and they were monitoring us too, I'm sure they knew we were in the area when we got up there

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But they looked army but they didn't have in signal

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Right, they were same color and all this

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From the data we've discussed above, an involvement of NRO managed DSP satellites

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I wager this rapid reaction retrieval team had maybe one hour advanced notice of the crash to the Marines

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Therefore, let's assume this retrieval team had a maximum of 9 hours to gather intelligence,

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assemble, brief and reach the crash site with a detailed operational plan

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Remember at this time, NEST teams were historically stationed at U.S. Department of Energy Laboratories

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So I think it is extremely unlikely any team would have been stationed in South America at this time

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In this instance, one of the closest major labs to Iketos Peru is a regular tricky customer of this channel

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Central New Mexico's Sandia National Labs

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And recall back to discussing NEST, in the 1996 NEST briefing, NEST was not only permitted to

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commandeer any DOD assets but also employed their own fleet of vehicles including CESNA CITATION 2 jets

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So my theory here would see a NEST team departing Sandia heading directly to Iketos U.S. military

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infrastructure via CESNA CITATION 2 jets

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From Iketos or nearby South comm installations, the team would commandeer U.S. CH-47 helicopters

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likely from joint task force Bravo and recruit nearby special forces from the Riverine training team

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or utilize a J-sock or DOESRT team that traveled with the NEST team

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Sandia's nearby largest city is Santa Fe, New Mexico, in using Santa Fe as a reference point

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Travel distance to Iketos is 3446 miles

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CESNA CITATION 2 travels at top speed of 464 miles per hour

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Logically assuming the team wished to arrive to the retrieval site with haste,

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this flight would have taken around 7.5 hours

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From Iketos, the team would have a very short flight to arrive to the crash area around 90 to

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100 miles away in a CH-47 that travels 180 to 196 miles per hour at top speed

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So this journey here on the shorter end would have taken roughly 30 minutes

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This means the NEST team would have only required around 8 hours total of travel time

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with roughly one hour left for personnel and gear gathering, necessary ground briefings, etc

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A tight squeeze but one that very well fits in the framework of Wagant's testimony

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And then they took me in the CH-47 and they sent me to we took off and they didn't drug me or anything like that

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And I was just awake there and they had me in a your question again is how long was I contained

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you? I don't know for about two days in a thing

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I don't know, I don't know how to deal where I was

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Because we landed and we flew and then we landed and then they took me out and it was still,

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I mean, you know, it wasn't in the same area that it was out

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This is more of like there were structures, prominent structures there

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I think it was peruvian military

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But all this thing man, all I saw there was Americans

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There's a lot of other nationalities there are Chinese, Germans, I think we're there

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I mean a lot of other people were at this other base

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But I mean this thing was really, I mean I didn't go in and all they did was take me to like a like a

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You couldn't go out of cell was more of like

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It was more like an interrogation room and I sat in there for around the 15 hours

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Lance Corporal Wagant was isolated from Adkins Allen in the other Marines

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He was flown to a location that was not his base of operations

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Which I wager was in I Kitos

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Now what's interesting is this location was close enough to his original station

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That after one to two days of captivity

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Wagant was driven back before being kept with Usaf personnel for three weeks

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Another nod towards I Kitos being the correct location with Usaf detachment five

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Before being shipped back to Cherry Point

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At this interrogation room Wagant was contained, isolated and threatened

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by some of the operators in Black Camis and was then forced to sign documents

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swearing his silence by a Usaf Colonel

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Describing this location, Wagant made a very interesting set of remarks

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The location at which he was interrogated employed permanent structures

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Not makeshift forward operating bases like Polkalpa laser strike location

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It was at this base where he was interrogated

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He observed multiple different nationalities in one area

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Americans, Peruvians, Chinese and Germans

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Also recall twice, Wagant got the mysterious liquid leaking from the craft on him

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Once during his initial investigation of the crash site

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And a second time when the black operators forcefully took him to the ground

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Wagant also stated here the DOE team in Hasmat gear stripped his clothes covered in the liquid

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Due to these statements plus Wagant being isolated from Adkins and Allen

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I do think it likely the DOE-NES team had concerns

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Wagant was contaminated from interacting with the liquid

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For this reason, I do have high suspicion Wagant was taken to Namru 6, or Namru South

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The Navy Medical Research Unit with offices in Lima, Peru and Iquitos

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The US Navy employs various Namru locations around the globe which serve as DOD laboratories and centers

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Namru SA at Joint Base San Antonio, Texas, Namru 3, formerly an Egypt now in Sigenela Naval Air Station, Sicily Italy

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Namru Indo-Pacific in Singapore Naval Base, Namru South with offices in Lima and Iquitos

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Peru and Namru D at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio

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Namru locations absolutely fit the dictionary definition of multicultural environments

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Namru Installation serve as a network of biomedical research labs operated by the US Navy

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Namru operates to conduct R&D on infectious diseases, biodefense and numerous medical topics related to military and public health

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Namru is part of the Navy Medical Research Command that conducts biomedical research to meet the needs of the Navy and Marine Corps

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German Nationalists at specifically Namru South are also not uncommon

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Even in 2023, we can find examples of German military and ambassadors visiting Namru's Lima location

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In my opinion, Namru would serve as a perfect location for Jonathan to be taken

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This location is within driving distance to Iquitos' use aftertachment 5 in close to the US Marforla Riverine Training Team

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And obviously, this location is a sensible holding and quarantine zone for a US Marine who was exposed to possibly toxic materials in non-human craft

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Now I do need to mention of course this theory is not without its own kinks

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Wagant stated he was only at this location for two days and while he was contained in an interrogation type room

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he was still in close proximity to the US afflutinic kernel that forced him to sign papers and the operator who threatened his life

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One might assume Wagant would have had to be quarantined for up to a week in isolation

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and would have had to undergo numerous medical procedures to determine if any risk of sickness or contamination resided from the fluid

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And Wagant did specifically tell me he did not have to undergo any sort of medical procedures at this location

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Other factors at play do need to be worked through for this Namru theory

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such as the multinationals Jonathan described being armed operators and not diplomats

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as well as this holding location being underground

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Remember this crash occurring near Iquitos is just a theory of mine constructed from the best available evidence for this crash retrieval testimony

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But even so, I do believe Iquitos Peru serves as the primary focus for our UFO crash retrieval and forced holding of Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagant

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I have contacted countless individuals named by Wagant are possibly involved in this crash retrieval case

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These include multiple USF personnel from Iquitos detachment 5 including Lieutenant Colonel Gala Biles

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Second Lieutenant Randall Rothman and Staff Sergeant Robert Macau of the 649th Combat Logistics Support Squadron

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This outreach was conducted in an attempt to identify if Iquitos was indeed where Wagant was stationed

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I plan to inquire if US Marines from the Mac G28 performed perimeter security for the site

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If a DOE team ever stationed briefly at detachment 5 or borrowed their aircraft

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or if stories floated around of a Marine who went missing that turned up two days later

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As of today, I have had no luck contacting any USF personnel involved in laser strike

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Due to repeatedly hearing that some details of the operts still classified

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I am not holding my breath however, I will continue to pursue any and all leads

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Jonathan Wagant did directly state a Staff Sergeant Monta-Legre knew about the crash site

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and that Sergeant Allen and Sergeant Adkins had both accompanied Wagant to the site and observed the crash day

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With 100% confidence, I have identified all three of these men

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All three are real USMC veterans and enjoyed long accomplished careers with the core after laser strike

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And I reached out to all three on multiple platforms and as of this date only one Marine has responded

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I choose to keep the identity of this Marine Anonymous out of respect to the individual

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and to his service to the United States

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I will also refrain from posting screenshots as I do not wish to break this individual's trust

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nor do I have his permission to do so

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I reached out to these Marines from this channel's email address, uapgurb at gmail.com

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which I highly encourage any first-hand UFO legacy program witnesses to contact

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This email does not contain my identity to protect my anonymity

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I emailed one of these sergeants asking to talk to him about his service during laser strike in 1996 to 1997

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I did also state that my outreach concerned an encounter relayed by a MACG28 Lance Corporal

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but with held wagant's name who claimed he alongside a handful of sergeants encountered a unique downed aircraft

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The sergeant responded hello and addressed me, gurb, by both my first and my last name

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In this exchange the sergeant continued quote

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The operation is still classified however there was no incident involving a unique downed aircraft that I know of

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or encountered during my deployment

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I can speak to it never happened during my deployment and not cross the classification restrictions of the operation

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End quote

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The sergeant reckoned I had received bad intel regarding his involvement in the suggested incident I was pursuing

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I then asked the Marine if he had ever heard of a Lance Corporal's testimony of a crashed

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egg-shaped vehicle that involved several other Marines that may have been downed by human military assets

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such as Hawk Mim 23 missile batteries

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The Marine responded he was aware of a Lance Corporal Wagant that served under his platoon

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Much of this response by the sergeant focused on Hawk's surface-to-air missile systems

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and the impossibility that the USMC employed a Hawk battery during 1997

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And of course Wagant does agree with this point Hawk missile batteries were phased out of US forces in 1994

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The Marine Corps continued usage until 2002 but laser strike ceased usage of Hawk in 1997

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Since his original testimony Wagant only theorized that this craft had been hit by a Hawk system

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and that the missile battery likely belonged to local Peruvian forces

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and Wagant held this theory due to the ballistic and fragging pattern of damage on the egg-shaped craft

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Wagant spent a tremendous amount of time studying Hawk Mim 23 systems and maintains this conclusion to this day

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The sergeant not only claimed Wagant never deployed in support of Operation Laser Strike

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but also stated Wagant's story was false and while he was a good,

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young, respectful, obedient and dedicated Marine

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he also suffered a medical condition, quote

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He was never a participant in any clandestine operations or efforts

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He was just an L-A-A-D Marine and that was all, end quote

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Now let me be clear here, I fully respect this Marine in question

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After all, he dedicated much of his life to the service of this country

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but I do have quite a few problems here with his statements

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Jonathan Wagant never once claimed to participate in any clandestine operations

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This encounter simply involved a group of Mac G 28 Marines sent out by the radar detachment to secure the LZ of a downed aircraft

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The Mac G 28 Marines in this testimony clearly conflicted with the clandestine mission of the DOE-NES team

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I also find the claims Wagant never deployed to Laser Strike to be quite curious

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Laser Strike was indeed a classified mission

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The Marine I spoke to claimed Wagant may have picked up bits and pieces of deployment information

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for Marines that did indeed deploy to Laser Strike

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but I find this unlikely

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In Wagant's testimony and all the way back to his initial outreach to Steven Greer on 1 August 2000

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The young Lance Corporal described Operation Laser Strike extremely accurately

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And the only detail that stands out as odd is how Jonathan claimed his Euphsaff radar base was near the Bolivian border

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I still maintain he likely meant I Keto's near the Colombian and Brazilian borders

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Mac G 28 Marines from Jonathan's US station, Cherry Point, North Carolina

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did absolutely deploy to Laser Strike to this is a fact

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I find it odd Wagant would not have deployed with the other Mac G 28 Marines for perimeter defense and low altitude aerial defense to replace the obsolete Hawk batteries

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Similar to hit pieces on David Grush, I also have a tremendous issue when claims of witnesses or whistleblowers

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are dismissed because of quote unquote health conditions

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Jonathan has been plain this incident affected his life extremely negatively

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From the violent interrogation to feeling like non-human beings were calling out for his help in the craft wreckage

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Jonathan did not leave this incident unscathed in the slightest

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I must interject my own personal biases here but I am close friends with Mr. Wagant

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The man enjoys a successful career and relationships with friends, family and loved ones

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As far as I can tell the man does not suffer from fanciful delusions to construct such a specific fantasy

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Since the witness testimony of Jake Barber the concept of egg-shaped UFO retrievals has grown significantly in popularity

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While Wagant described a much larger, more intricate craft with hatches, a band of light along its circumference and what seemed similar to gills over Barber's SUV-side smooth white egg

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We can find multiple retrieval cases from history that share numerous similarities to the alleged crash in Peru in 1997

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Let's reference the work done by legendary UFO crash retrieval researcher Leonard Stringfield

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and visit UFO crash retrieval status report 3

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Between 1980 and 1982 Stringfield became aware of one H.J., a sergeant in the US Army 24th Infantry who was wounded during service in the Korean War

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In July of 1953 whilst a private and bee company at Camp Poc, Louisiana, a 17-year-old private H.J and his unit under command of one sergeant RS were performing duty maneuvers

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At dusk at roughly 7 pm H.J's platoon observed an object that was egg-shaped crash land out in the boondocks

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According to H.J authorities as well as A and B companies were ordered out to the crash site

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At the site H.J got within 15 yards of the object before a lieutenant-witting ordered company B to withdraw to 100 yards

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Stating quote-unquote peons like H.J quote had to get out of the way, end quote

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Interestingly enough we can place an actual lieutenant-witting at Camp Poc at this time

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The area around the craft was badly burned, turning nearby ground into a powdery substance like crushed brick

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and H.J. could still feel heat emanating from the vehicle

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The craft was as wide as a three-bedroom single-story ranch house which by modern standard estimates could be anywhere between 35 to 70 feet

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Similarities here exist to Wagant's craft estimates of 20 meters or roughly 66 feet

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The large, ovoid object was without windows or lights and quote was surrounded by a fin-like protrusion on its equator which was still rotating

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Another close similarity to Wagant in discussion of a band of light traveling across the craft's circumference

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Shortly after securing the site a special detachment, Medics, an ambulance and special equipment arrived on scene

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This detachment approached an open hatch on the side of the craft

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After a while two medics carried away a stretcher to the ambulance containing a body

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Three occupants of the craft then emerged and were aided by Medics seemingly injured

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H.J. would state quote, one of them kept looking at the one in the litter and made strange noises

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I couldn't believe what I was seeing, end quote

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As incredible as this detail is, we have discussed similar testimony before

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Remember back to the infographic show whistleblower testimony of a crashed retrieval operator I put a lot of stock into

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The witness in this program claimed in several UFO retrieval operations in which craft were manned by biologics

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Retrieval teams would often have to lead occupants out of the craft

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These biologics were described seemingly as limited in cognitive ability

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Possibly giving some credence to the theory some UFO occupants are akin to biological

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Androids that perform basic or specific functions

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That night the two live ones apparently just kind of stood there as the team entered the craft

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It had opened on its own, maybe they opened the door, I don't know if it was open when we got there

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They stood there and they didn't answer the ambassador at all

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Basically they just barely reacted to anything

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Just basic stimuli like turning their heads away from bright lights

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They didn't even object when the medical team started looking them over for injuries

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Or so I was told

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I saw them when they were led out of the craft and I do mean they were led out like children

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The medical guys grabbed them by the hand and just let them out like a kid

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They just sort of stood where you left them

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H.J described these occupants as three and a half to four feet tall

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Of slight build and walked as if they had no knees or very stiff bending only at the hips

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H.J described large heads without features leading him to believe the creatures were covered by a helmet

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The biologics were a tight-fitting dull metallic green uniform

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Later on, H.J would somehow learn that these biologics were sent to a hospital

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And quote unquote put into isolation but all died in captivity

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He also learned the corpses were sent over to a medical center near Washington DC

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This could of course perhaps be the Army's Fort Detrick

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roughly 40 miles away from DC

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At Fort Detrick, Batel Memorial Institute manages the National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasure Center FFRDC

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I have previously implicated Fort Detrick alongside Utah's Dugway Proving Ground in holding UFO biologics

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I highly recommend checking out my video on Dugway to learn more

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H.J's experience at Fort Polk share striking similarities to Wage-It

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But let's go even further

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Let's now jump to Stringfield's 1991 UFO crash retrievals, the inner sanctum,

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Status Report 6, and investigate the case of Barnabas, aka Albert Bruce Collins

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Much of Stringfield's work here came from UFO researcher Tim Cooper

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One of the primary researchers who received significant drops of Majestic 12 documents in the 1980s

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Also recall from my Majestic 12 project with author Ryan Wood

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How Tim Cooper's father, Yusaf Master Sergeant Harry B Cooper,

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Received a special citation from the legendary general entwined in UFO lore courtesy Lemay

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This letter to Tim Cooper's father from Lemay praised Harry B Cooper for his work on the quote-unquote

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Yusaf UFO program

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Anyways, Cooper interviewed Barnabas, aka Albert Bruce Collins shortly before his 1990 New Year's Eve death

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on 20 November 1990

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Collins claimed to be a metallurgical engineer and retired government employee

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Specifically developing metal alloys used for electromagnetic propagation and magnetic field propulsion

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from 1942 to the late 1950s

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And it is important to note I can't necessarily confirm Collins claims of an accomplished

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metallurgical engineering career

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While Collins did in fact die on 30 December 1990, all I can confirm from his obituary is he was a veteran

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a member of the NRA in a nature conservancy

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Collins disclosed to Cooper in 1947 he observed a UFO on a long flatbed trailer

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covered with a green tarp being backed into a large warehouse at the University of California Berkeley

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I'm immediately reminded of US Army low boy trucks described in numerous UFO retrieval cases

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such as the 1953 Kingman crash and the 1965 Kexpert Pennsylvania crash

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According to Collins, he stood but just 100 feet away from an oval-shaped craft

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described like an egg with the shell cracked and the yoke still inside

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The craft was metallic, similar to polished aluminum with the silvery-looking finish

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Similar to Wagant's case, this egg featured a seam at the edge all the way around

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Collins guessed this craft suffered an internal explosion with the metal exterior of the craft seemingly pushed out

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The retrieval had sustained significant amounts of damage with a large section ripped off

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and a huge gash on top running down the side below the seam

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From his 100 foot away vantage point, Collins observed a bulkhead in front with multi-layered honeycomb skin

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The interior was dark but similar to the egg analogy, there was a shiny sphere in the center of the craft surrounded by another bulkhead

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The craft additionally featured a forward compartment but Collins could not see inside

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The vehicle was 30 to 40 feet in diameter and roughly 15 feet high

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These dimensions are slightly smaller than the craft Wagant described

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But why even mention this short story of Collins with no supporting documentation or even verification of his work history as a metallurgical engineer?

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Well, this is because in his 1990 interview with Tim Cooper, Collins additionally disclosed some information that may just raise your eyebrow

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Not only did Collins claim to have studied metal of unknown composition and origin in an official capacity but also claimed at this time, 1949

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He learned of a multitude of agencies involved in T.U.O. or technologies of unknown origin research

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This included intelligence offices from the US Army, Air Force and Navy

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The CIA, the Rand Corporation founded just one year prior in 1948 and the Vatican

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Collins even claimed to have learned of multiple projects between these agencies, Archangel between the CIA, Rand and Vatican

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Black book under the Air Force, the infamous blue book under the Air Force, White book between the CIA and Vatican

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and Yellow book which served as a scientific panel of an unknown government scientific review board

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While discussing these projects, Collins added he had heard Los Alamos National Labs had been studying green fireballs and strange debris found in the desert

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and this last piece of data is what lends credence to some of Collins words

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As the Atomic Energy Commission did indeed create a project twinkle in the late 40s and early 50s that analyzed UFOs

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including green fireballs at Los Alamos, Sandia, White Sands and Hollumann Air Force Base

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Of course, this isn't our topic for today but these joint projects with the Vatican are highly interesting

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I have covered this case before but let's briefly circle back to the 1933 magenta-italy UFO crash retrieval case

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According to the case as well as David Grush in the late Harold Maumgren, Vatican intelligence alerted the United States of the lenticular disc in Axis possession

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This in turn allowed the US to capture this UFO saucer post-World War II

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It's incredible to then consider joint US Vatican UFO programs that followed World War II

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Collins is quite the enigma and possibly in the future we will return to analyze further claims of his included knowledge in project archangel

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that determine some UFO occupants were biological extraterrestrials

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There are many cases of egg-shaped or teardrop-shaped UFO retrieval operations we just don't have the time to cover today

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I would also like to point to the 1973 Great Lake Naval Base RK testimony I covered in my previous Naval UFO Legacy Programs project

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In which Gunnery School Instructor RK observed a 30-foot long and 10-foot high teardrop-shaped UFO resting on a wooden platform in a quanset style hanger

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in the Great Lakes Naval Station Illinois this craft was allegedly shot down via a naval destroyer

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and picked up in the Pacific Ocean by the National Underwater Reconnaissance offices Glomar Explore

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Hey guys it's Gurb and I'd like to thank each and every single one of you for joining me on this very special investigation

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into Lance Corporal Jonathan Wagen

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Now those of you new to my videos will now know one this is an AI and two this is where after the video I kind of do an off script

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kind of rant if you want to call it and give my thoughts on the video give my thoughts on the investigation

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and kind of summarize everything we've talked about returning viewers of this channel

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we'll probably know this is a very special video as one of my first ever projects was on Jonathan Wagen

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but of course at that time I didn't know Jonathan I didn't have a relationship with him

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nor did I have the investigative skills the video editing skills the research skills the writing skills

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to craft such a project now originally the plan here was just to do an interview with Wagen

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and so after many months of knowing him and forming a friendship I went out to where he resides

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I'm not gonna go ahead and spill that but it's in the south as you can probably tell from his accent

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some of the other accents we heard and I was fortunate enough to have my friend Kermit

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uh frog and badger I've had him on a live before right after the November 14th 2024 hearings

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he was able to meet me out there and help film and so forth so I want to give a huge shout out to

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him guys he's a great friend of this channel I'd like to have him on some more lives uh he just on

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the drop of a pencil decided to come up and help so huge shout out but this originally was

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planned to just be an interview with Wagen and as he and I started talking and as I started to

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sit with some of our conversations I thought well maybe let's break this down a little bit and do

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a two-part series first Wagen back in 2000 gave so much information really actionable information

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down to the DOE-NES team due to names and you guys know on this channel how much we love when names

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are given and bat in 2023 he offered little new information so I thought why don't Jonathan and I

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sit down and really iron out some of the finer details of what he remembers because guys time

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is slipping away this incident occurred according to Jonathan in 1997 so we're pushing on 30 years

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here but I wanted to get some of those details out and work out an investigation and then sit down

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and do an interview with Jonathan you guys know how I work I really want the firm foundation laid out

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before he and I sit down and talk so I do plan on returning with him and kind of getting a more

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relaxed interview style of him just speaking about his life speaking about his life before and

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after and so forth so that's that's going to be coming down the pipeline but this project I thought

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it pertinent to to start digging into some of the details with Jonathan and then be able to do

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my own research and exploration some of these added details included Jonathan describing that the

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men in black hammies were there on site first that was a huge question I had going into this whether

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to kind of ponder if that team arrived on the CH-47s with the DOE-NES probably team or that they

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had arrived first now the fact they arrived first according to Jonathan gives even more

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credence to these were local special forces now of course he didn't describe to any vehicles

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but in my opinion the seventh Army Green Berets probably utilized humbys or nearby vehicles to

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arrive on scene first another key point here was the multinational group that these Germans these

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Chinese they were all armed now that is a massive detail as well and one that I'm still trying to

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to solve here because of course we've heard of multinational recovery team specifically

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with five ice nations and Canadian politician Larry McGuire kind of writing to his own minister of

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defense in Canada saying we need to get information about UAP because of five ice projects and maybe

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retrieval teams and another huge detail he talked about was him thinking the men in black camis

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were army due to the helmets they had now if you're unfamiliar with military various factions of

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military army marines navy all of their infantry and soldiers utilize different helmets so being

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able to track down the helmets or kind of the caps they had we get thought these guys were army

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and that's a huge detail to just to try and track down I also really enjoyed him talking about mob

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gear and varying levels of that and that gives even more greens to me for the nest team varying

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levels of protection versus how close and proximity these men would get to the craft now Jonathan's

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testimony is of course truly starting one of the big questions remains now is what happened to the

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craft after and Jonathan and I talked about this I decided not to include it here because it's

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it's speculation with very little basis here but that's a very interesting question to me this craft

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was lodged into a granite cliff face almost how was it taken out how was it retreat because if we're

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talking about siege 47s and the night stalkers sure they may have airlifted some kind of picked apart

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Soviet helicopters before but how do you get a craft of non human origin a massive one and what are

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some of the logistics here where the biologics taken out first with the rest of the liquid contains

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and then taken out and what went on here and I do think one of the interesting parts of this

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story is the liquid now as we dug into it Jonathan myself he kind of theorized that you know maybe

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this liquid wasn't just a fuel a propulsion system but he thought because some liquid was coming

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out of the recessed hole the hatch that was open where he saw the biologic hanging out that water

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was coming from there that this craft may have been filled with water and that brings up the question

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what if the species he encountered were almost a aquatic species that lived in the water and the

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craft contained almost an aquarium or a closed system of water of sorts I think these questions are

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highly interesting to ponder I think one of the most fruitful and frustrating avenues of this

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research was reaching out to the fellow Marines adkins Allen and Monta-Legre total I probably reached

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out to 10 people connected with laser strike only one responded to me and that was one of the

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Marines that we can't claim he was with now it is important to note here all three of those Marines

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Monta-Legre Allen and adkins all went career USMC they all retired and listed but it retired

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with very prestigious positions in Marines I'm not saying there's a connection there but it is

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interesting to see that Jonathan kind of got made an example of and left the Marines in 98 admitted

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to using controlled substances so he could get out of the Marines but these other guys enjoyed very

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long careers now the one that responded to me again I'm not going to burn his name just because I

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you know unlike Brad S in the flux liner he hasn't sent me death threats so I'm not going to burn

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his name or post any sort of screenshot some messages but I was a little displeased with how he

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treated Jonathan I said in the video and I'll say it again I I don't think that whistleblower

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testimony should be kind of boiled down to saying that the witness just has mental issues I've seen

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it before I'm sure we'll see it again this reminds me to the teen leader of Michael Herrera Nathan

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who just said that Michael was crazy because he enjoyed lifting weights and spending time alone

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whilst deployed and I find arguments like that to be to not have much in him now I would always find

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it weird when contacting this Marine most of his story would go just towards the impossibility of

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USMC having hawk batteries and prove it that time and I agree with that Jonathan agrees with that

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but he always said no the story's false the story can't be true because we didn't have hawk batteries

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the Lance Corporal story is false so that's kind of a mute point to me but I also think it

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strange she said that Jonathan never deployed to Pukalpa or to laser strike when Mac G28 Marines

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very well indeed according to our laser strike documentation did deploy so that's a bit of a

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curious point now of course I try and be as objective as I can in my videos but in the end of my

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videos I tend to give my opinion guys I do believe the encounter of Jonathan Wagen and I believe

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it for a couple of reasons not just talking to Jonathan but talking to kind of people not connected

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with this I do have conviction that this case is real I think it's one of the most extraordinary

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encounters of a downed UFO craft of all time that being said there's still mysteries here with this

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case of course time slipping away so Jonathan is remembering fewer and fewer details and I commend

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him for being able to say when he doesn't remember because this was 30 years ago and as impactful as

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such an event would be there are going to be things he can't quite remember like insignias on

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people's uniforms or tiny little details of the makeup of notches on a craft or the digits on

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an arm hanging out these things I don't blame him for being able to recall and I commend him for

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saying I'm speculating here or I don't recall when he doesn't know something but I do think this

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is a a case that did occur what happened to the craft we could only guess that it get taken to

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the office of naval research because I suspect Namru the naval because I suspect Namru South had

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some sort of implications here was their transfer of materials or liquid up to Namru up in

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right Patterson who knows now that being said my theory of Namru and my theory of Iketos and

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my theory of the seventh this does still need work I think it's a strong thesis but of course we

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can't concretely prove this the biggest hiccup here is of course Namru being the location where

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where we get was held versus him not receiving any medical treatment I do think this interesting

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the DOE personnel probably nest you know I think at this point it's almost a mute point

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to try and argue that it's not nest but he was stripped of his clothes clearly his clothes were

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taken off as soon as he encountered the liquid when he was beaten by the other Marines separated from

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Adkins and Allen who knows what happened to them who knows what happened to the seven plus

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other Marines that were not in the Vanguard that may have seen the craft that may have not made it

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down the ridge we can't doesn't know and he was put into isolation threatened and so on so I

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think because he took a swing at one of these men he was both made an example of and because he

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encountered the liquid there was a contamination threat but he didn't receive medical procedures

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is this a substance that the DOE nest team and retrieval teams are familiar with and maybe it's

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just like a slightly acidic goopy water with the consistency of syrup so they weren't really worried

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but they wanted to get those clothes off it maybe but that's all just speculation so as an

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hammer but I do think that kind of fits the bill for a Marine that came into contact with a

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non-human fluid get him isolated but again he said this location was underground perhaps

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an Amher has underground facilities perhaps this was nearby and I do think it's interesting he was

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driven back to his base now I need to get in contact with somebody else stationed at Raider

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Detachment 5 which I really have tried to see if there were a MACG 28 Marines there because this

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would really solve quite a bit of this but I do think it's interesting with the Marforland training

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team and the special forces there and all of the history of special forces whether that be the

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first one 228th Aviation Regiment or the seven special forces up there in northern Peru in history

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now of course this retrieval team could be a dedicated JSOC or former JSOC or so-com retrieval team

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that stationed in South America maybe Howard Air Force Base and Panama maybe somewhere else to

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react to these this would fit in our time frame of retrieval two because I know I gave about nine

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hours it could be plus or minus and now we're even to that I have a lot of air here they could be

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stationed for South American retrievals we just don't know I'm just trying to work with the best

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available evidence we have in trying reconstruct the testimony so of course in my theory there's a

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lot of assumptions there and I was the first to say that there's a lot of assumptions and if you have

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a competing theory of how this played out please let me know I'd love to hear it because at the end

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of the day I'm just trying to take some of the pieces of evidence and fit them into a theory and I

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do think it's strong but it is open to interpretation and probably open to air so if you have something

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better there or something you think is stronger let me know I'd love to talk more about this case

[1:55:40 - 1:55:44] ▶

speaking of let me know what you guys think in the comments because I know so many people have

[1:55:45 - 1:55:49] ▶

wanted to hear more from way yet and thrilled this has some exclusive conversations with him for the

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first time really and since 2000 because on the Martin Willis show he didn't really shed new light

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on any details I almost got the sense he he didn't quite want to be there so I was really glad

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to wake it and I could form a friendship and then kind of sit down on camera together and he was

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really nervous about being on camera he doesn't like it he's a very different person on camera

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versus not on camera it makes him very uncomfortable he's a very private guy always has been

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he was very animated in 2000 and he just it took him a lot to get over the fear of going on camera

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then took him a lot of fear going on camera in 2023 and now so with that being said guys this

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about the time I tell everybody of course I do have a patreon I don't gatekeep any content there's

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