Transcript: #1 UFO Crash Retrieval Expert on CIA Alien Files & Majestic 12 | Ryan Wood 258

And one of the majestic documents was mentioned of the Missouri 41 crash and Stan Friedman had heard about this case from Reverend Huffman.

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And Reverend Huffman was a Baptist minister in Cape Toronto, Missouri.

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And he was called to give lessons to three dead allegedly cloned aliens. It looked identical.

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So he was driven in a squad car about 15 minutes out of town.

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And he was driven out of town into a field and there was sort of an acorn crash burn saucer and three dead aliens at the age.

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Ryan, welcome from Denver.

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No, thank you. It's great to be here.

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I'm excited to tell you all sorts of things.

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We got a lot to talk about. You've been doing this pretty much all your life.

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We'll get into your backstory. But I was on the phone with our mutual friend.

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Well, becoming my friend, your longtime friend though, Richard Dolan a few months ago. He's like, Julian, you have got to talk to Ryan.

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Well, it comes to you. If I crash retrieval, there's no one better.

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I was like, all right, Richard, let's do it. So I had a chance to read your now famous book, Match Guys Only.

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Yeah.

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And essentially, you keep it very simple.

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You just, after the beginning where you outline the broad strokes of crash retrievals and what this is, you basically just paint the picture of, here is every notable one that's ever been reported that had allegedly multiple witnesses.

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And you grade them from like a no way to a, I think this really happened.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty cool. But this is something you've been looking at.

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You were telling me since you were like 13 or 14?

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Well, yeah.

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My original story or started was when my father came home and brought Stanton Friedman to dinner.

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And because he started a program on, on gravity control at the Douglas aircraft company and McDonald's ultimately, you know, and this is, you know, 1967 or something like that.

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So I got an early age intellectually exposed to, you know, abductions and physics and Michelson Morley interferometers.

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And how do we change the speed of light and how do we implement gravity control and what sort of theoretical processes you might go through to try to analyze UFOs and their capabilities, you know, of high magnetic fields and electrostatic fields and so forth.

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So that sort of laid the seed for me.

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And I sort of, you know, I'm 15, 16.

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Well, okay. This is kind of cool. But I'm going to go back to girls and music.

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And then, you know, I started a normal corporate career at Intel and digital equipment and a bunch of Silicon Valley startups and and so forth.

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And it was only till maybe a 1994, 93 when the special operations manual extraterrestrial entities technology, recovering disposal was leaked.

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And I started working with my father about authenticating government documents and leaked documents and we started to get a lot more.

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And that spawned a whole much deeper uphology interest, up until today.

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And I went to a lot of the various mutual UFO network, Mufon conferences. And I was frustrated at the Mufon conferences because they didn't talk about the things I wanted to talk about, which was, well, I wanted to talk about crash hardware and UFO parts and physical evidence.

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I was like lights in the sky video analysis. Oh, that's neat and stuff. But hey, it doesn't do it for me. You know, show me a higher-ruglific hatch.

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You know, that's, that was the, the acid test. So I said, I can do a better job than these guys. And so I started the UFO crash, the travel conference in 2003 and ran for seven years in Las Vegas.

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Vegas Vegas. Yeah, Vegas baby. And all sorts of George Napp was there. He came and talked and all these people that are mainstays of uphology right now are came to the conference and made presentations.

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Typical, you know, 500 people from around the world all in Vegas for, you know, Friday nights, Saturday, Sunday. That's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah.

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So that was, that was fun. And that kicked off a much deeper dive. But one of the people at the conference said, you know, Ryan, aren't you going to be done with crash retrievals and in one or two conferences.

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And I said, no, no, there's a lot of crash retrievals. So then I decided, well, I should write the book. Oh, that's how it started writing the book. So I wrote the first edition in 2005, and it had 74 crash retrievals from around the world.

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Now it's got like 100, 100, 104. And as I was telling your producer, I mean, I left another one on the, I left several on my desk. So I just wanted to get it done.

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Oh, damn it. Ryan, go back. Go back. We need a, we need them. Yeah, I know. And they're, but it's interesting that, you know, every crash retrieval deserves as you mentioned earlier, a push towards authenticity.

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You know, is the needle for authenticity in the middle where it typically starts off. But with more investigation, the needle gets higher credible or lower credibility.

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As you look through all the witnesses, you look through all the documents, you do all the investigation, you spend a bunch of money to analyze what's going on with a particular case. And you know, I'm not the only person doing this.

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I'm leveraging all the work of many other experts that have written whole books on right of our genia or Kecksper or Shag Harbor or many of the other.

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Yeah, you got one right here. I was telling you unless it was down making a moment of contact with James. Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah, I can cite him in the next book. There you go. So I started to synthesize all these cases and the majestic documents weaving, but they tell a big story about Roswell and about other crashes from, you know, 1897 onward.

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So that was the impetus of creating the book at that time and just kept pushing along with ufology for those crash retrieval times and then I had family and kids and took a little pause, but basically in the last couple of years, I've reemerged into the field and tried to focus on what I perceive as the fundamental big issues of ufology.

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Yeah, which are in my mind, there's three of credibility. There's not enough credibility in the field and leadership are people doing what they can do to make a difference.

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Are they leveraging things and then finally the elephant in the room money and funding.

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I wrote a paper in 1999 called ufology and search of leadership and there was roughly quarter of a million dollars spent on everything in ufology then and now it's probably on the order of 2.5 million dollars, excluding, you know, TV stuff, ancient aliens is not a pure play in my mind.

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And I'll leave that one there. Yeah, I mean, they do good work at times.

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So and in theory, you need to spend at least 20 or 30 million dollars. You can't even protect one whistleblower for less than a million bucks. You know, why aren't there more whistleblowers? Well, I'm going to lose my pension.

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You know, how can you protect me? Right. And they, if you want me to tell you everything I know, you better have the insurance policy to make sure I get paid for the rest of my life and then I get protected.

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And so that takes real money and let alone other other things. But I'm just I'm not logged on there. But no, it's great. It's good to have the background. And you know, to your point, it seems like a lot of people have emerged over over the past several years, especially since

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the 2017 disclosure, which can have a downside to because people start running to a space and you get a lot of disinformation in there as well, you know, people who may want to just monetize it or people who could be there to literally try to money the waters.

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If you know what I mean, we'll talk about that today. But you mentioned the first dinner where Stan Stan Friedman just rolls in like, did you have any appreciation of that?

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No, no, no, no, no appreciation. It's just another random guy coming to dinner who is damn it. Yeah, exactly. So that was that was fun. I remember sitting at the dinner table. And I heard about some of the first of duck,

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and I was like, I'm going to go to the places of of Brian Scott, which is Brian Scott. Yeah, it's like one of the early ones.

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Yeah, I don't even remember. I mean, you can look it up in the web. Maybe there's something on the web. But yeah, I don't know that one. Yeah, I don't remember. I have to I just remember the name.

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Stan was talking about it. And my father, but the interview, to me was a, you know, had an encounter or multiple encounters and and abductions and they did regression hypnosis analysis. And that was the first time I got exposed to that whole methodology of analysis.

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That's what John Mack would do, right? Yeah, John Mack or or the other or Jacob's, for example, David Jacobs did wrote his book there. But John Mack was

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another man himself by Devon Brandt ended up his, um, early check in his school that he became a Duke Gillian. I got walked away in a couple of places that pandemic hit a couple of places that he actually street up the same route, up the door,

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But he's still young. That guy's insane. He's a fire hose man. Yeah, I know he has a fire

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hose. The challenge is keeping on point and quiet. Well, you know what? I call it, I just

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call it the back end of that. But he literally, you know, it's, he has a photographic memory

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and you can just see him churning and making the timeline in his head while he's talking.

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And he'll just rip through the whole thing and you'll listen to it back later and you'll

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be like, Oh, that made sense. When you're listening to it, you're just like, Oh my God, there's

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so many details there. Like, what are we even talking about here? And the guy, he's like almost

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80 years old. But whatever that like energy gene is, he's got it. Right. It's never saying

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anything like it. But he would speak at your conferences. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He spoke there. I mean,

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a little old house spoke. There was a few right Nick Redfern and his work. Timothy Good once came.

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So there's a long list and you can get the conference proceedings on Amazon,

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UFO crash retrieval conference proceedings. Oh, there's proceedings. Oh, yeah. I mean, I did it

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right. I mean, you guys wear like some cloaks and daggers and well, I mean, we had every speaker had

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to write a paper or provide their PowerPoint slides. That's cool. You know, so it was just like

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the Mufon conference in essence and that you everybody had to submit a paper. And that always helped

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the quality and the credibility and the scientific focus. Yeah. Sure. Of the presentations.

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What do you think? You know, we just mentioned the disclosure in 2017. And obviously everything

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that's happened since. But what do you make of the government having people who, you know, I

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had Louis Aldo in here. He's one of them. The guys at Christopher Mellon. You can look at the

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science side like how put off even Jacques fillet like these guys who have been in the Pentagon,

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you know, allegedly working with all this stuff. What do you make of like the government making

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an effort to have their people come out and say, it's real. Yeah. I think knowing how put off

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and knowing Jacques fillet and knowing many of these people, I think that they were never really

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cleared for the truth. I mean, the deep truth. I mean, anti-gravity is the ultimate secret. And they

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have always been or gravity control has been the key thing they're trying to control and protect.

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And so I think that they had some exposure to craft and that sort of thing. But I don't think

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they ever got read into the deepest compartmentalized secrets. I mean, there's sort of two compartments.

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There's the the tech in the bodies. So the naturally bifurcated since Roswell when they had a

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bunch of bodies or maybe earlier in Cape Gerardo in 41 or maybe, you know, crushes coming on

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33 agent. Yeah. So I think that they're they've been exposed to a lot and they have a lot of

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knowledge and secrets that the government probably told them. But I don't think there's layers upon

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layers upon layers. And that's the way you protect the ultimate secret of the most disruptive thing

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is his gravity control. Yeah. And that's that's the that's the holy grail that would rewire the world

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that would solve a bunch of problems both environmentally as well as energy. You know,

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can you elaborate on that? Sure. Well, if you this sort of two ways to you know, move

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move the planet from what I call, you know, a bunch of warring factions and political discord

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into a you can now join the cosmic kindergarten of the galaxy.

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And the only way to do that is to, you know, get rid of the nukes, fix your environment,

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feed everybody, educate everybody. I mean, these are grand socialistic ideas, but I think that's

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you know, you have to do that. And the only way to do that is to solve the energy problem. And so

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you can have two choices. You have either fusion and an eutronic fusion basically radiation

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free, neutrons or radiation free fusion energy. What my day job is a CEO of electric fusion. So

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we're working on, you know, a roller bag, a little day job. Yeah. Working on fusion and a roller bag

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that's portable, but or you do gravity control. So either lower the cost of electricity by a factor

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of 10 to 100. You can do that with gravity control. You know, if you have 1% less gravity here,

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you have a flywheel spinning and the flywheel just keeps going. I mean, it is, you know, 1% gravity

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from the desk to space. And so that's a powerful thing that can be harnessed as well. So with free

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electricity, you can decarbonize the planet. You can suck, you know, they have a decarbonization

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technologies right now that allow you to suck carbon dioxide out of the air, but they uses tons

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of electricity and that costs money. And that's the challenge is that you can't scale it up because

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electricity costs a lot of money. Any burn hydrocarbons. And so you want to get rid of the hydrocarbons.

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And there's only two ways to do it that I'm aware of. I mean, you could do some sort of tapping

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of the zero point energy and make some box that does some sort of cashmere cavity, some sort of

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approach to make electricity to. So those are the two or three ways that are possible to create

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super low cost free electricity, which would enable along with Starlink and grow food anywhere,

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suck water out of the, how do the air anywhere on the planet turn the desert into green, etc.

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It take time. I mean, it's take 10, 20, 30 years of generation, but this is the process that I

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think we're on. Well, you mentioned that maybe it would include like getting rid of nukes and stuff

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like that. That's tough. I was going to say like, do you think we can live in a world where that's

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the case? Because even if we figure some of these things out, there's still going to be first,

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second and third world countries. There's still going to be rivalries. There's still going to be

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people fighting over bull like race or whatever, you know, they choose today. Like humans are inherently

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flawed. We are a flawed species in that way. And I feel like when we start getting to the, and Danny

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Shea and talks about the same thing, but like it's an amazing goal of like, oh, let's have no nukes.

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Let's all get along. Let's suck energy out of the air. Like to me, that says like, all right,

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yeah, maybe like 12,000 years from now. Like am I too cynical to believe that? No, I mean, that's a

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normal reaction. I'll give you an example. One of the guys that was on my board of directors

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for frontline aerospace was a lieutenant general, Kanan. And so, you know, here's a career,

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Air Force Academy, Lieutenant General who had a huge career. And I asked him on time, you know,

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Tim, you know, what causes wars? And he, you know, after going through the Army War College and

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all this experience, he says it's a lack of resources. It's fundamentally a lack of resources,

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be it water, fuel, education, power. There's a lot of, a lot of things, but it fundamentally,

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it turns out to be a lack of resources. And so, yeah, no, I agree. And so if you start to chip away

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at that problem, you can change the dynamic. So they get to the point where, well, we don't need

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nukes anymore. We're, we're satisfied. We don't have to have a contentious society. The other thing

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is a miscommunication. So that's one of the big challenges with the advent of AI and more computer

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tech. We're going to get to the point where you can drop into the middle of Africa and have a

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little, you know, cell phone on your hip or something that dynamically translates everything from

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Swahili into English or any language in the other language and all linked to starlink or

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something like that or some other communication technology. And it's the miscommunication which

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causes wars and stress. And so if you clean that up, you sort of decrease the anxiety of people

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against people. And then maybe the final thing, which is really sort of out there, which I think

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someone of the alien abduction experience is highlighted was it? Oh, gee, the problem with planet

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earth is that the male female ratio is wrong. Yeah, I said, I had the same reaction, the sort of,

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weird, I don't know what do you mean there? And the answer is that you really need to have like

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five females for every one male. Basically, the female compassion and empathy and

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mindset is something that calms the whole population. Is that what starts wars? It's, you know,

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the 20 to 30 year old male density is also highly contributing to this

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warring faction. You know, China's got all this unemployment and they're all in this prime age

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and they're all men. You know, I'm just waiting for China to say, well, I think we need more water.

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Let's go take over a big corner of Russia. Yeah, I hope you're wrong, but I understand why you think

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that way. Yeah, I mean, this is sort of the feedback from the ET's of coming from their perspective

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anthropological. We've seen this planet a million times before. From the ET's. Yeah, the ET's,

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you know, this is typical earth planet. You got a 50, 50 male female ratio, but no, if you have a,

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you know, 20% male and it's not about sex or procreation or anything like that. It's just about

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the calming effect of having less men and their power and their focus. I mean, it's as a

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controversial thing and I'm probably get junk for it. Well, we love a good ratio at the club.

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That's all I'm saying. I see five dudes walking to one check. It's like the fuck out of here. I see five

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checks and one dude. You're like, yeah, let's go. So anyway, I thought that'd be a little weird,

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but controversial, but I think it's relevant. It's a look. It's a good start to our conversation,

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because we've got a lot of controversial stuff today. But the you open your book as far as like

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when you get to the retrievals with an ancient story and it's the only one that's kind in there.

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And it's about Turkey and it's about Mount Arat. And specifically, you're getting into

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the question of whether or not you're looking at the remnants of Noah's Ark. And somehow it's tied

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to UFOs. Can you please explain this? Sure. Yeah. Well, Nick Redfern did some original work on this.

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But the CIA had paid a lot of attention to Mount Arat with 1957 overflights of U2. And then

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74 and 78 and then maybe a special operations team dropped in and pulled out. Yeah, pulled out a

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an alleged rusty old saucer. So our boy Deltcom stocked down there, but they've been dealt with

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the force. Yeah. And so that's, but what's fascinating about that story is that multiple congressmen

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pushed their the CIA and the intelligence community to say, give me the photographs. I mean,

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what's the big deal? Why can't I have a 1957 YouTube overflight? You know, give me the nine-inch

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negative of Mount Arat. And to this day, they won't declassify and give it to you. And several other

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congressmen asked the same thing. And so I find it an interesting sort of really tickler that

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they're hiding something. There's something important or something classified about something so

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old about an old piece of dirt in the middle of Turkey. And from there, you know, I go from 3000 PC

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to 1897 in Aurora, Texas. But that's that's great. Like they're they're trying to date Noah's Ark,

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which is this not just ancient biblical stories, this ancient story that exists on different planes

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across pretty much like every ancient text. Right. Yeah. And they're trying and there's a question

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there that like, oh, is there something extra terrestrial about it? Like, was it the aliens that

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said earth is going to flood? Yeah, we're going to send you a UFO. Yeah. It's speculation, but,

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you know, did the aliens cause the flood? You know, because we were this is the ancient alien theory,

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right? Is that a Neflum or the you know, the giants were getting to run bunches with the humans and

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they needed to, you know, wipe it off and start over. So they created the flood. But, you know,

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I'm just speculating what I heard, but I don't have any evidence for that. But you mentioned the Aurora

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one. Oh yeah. Where you start getting into like your timeline essentially goes from 1897 to almost

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present day, right? 2008. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The 1897 case was started by the late Jim Mars, who

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he wrote the book Crossfire about the Kennedy assassination did a lot of research. He was a

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Dallas Fort Worth reporter, investigative reporter, and he did a lot of the work on the

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the Aurora, Texas crash case. But in short, the the rancher, I think, saw UFO, it crashed into his

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windmill. There's a bunch of parts. They gave him a proper burial in the local cemetery. They

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gave what was in it. Yeah, they found a little body and they gave it a proper burial in the local

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cemetery. Who buried him? The local ranchers in, you know, 1897 or the farmer, I can't remember his name.

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And so, there's even a plaque erected in Aurora, Texas as a state monument there. So that was

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an interesting case. There was, you know, apparently some radiation.

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Didn't people's hands like it? Yeah, their hands got fucked up with a a gourd and there's some

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pictures in the book where they're all disconfigured. You don't know if it's from radiation poisoning or

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natural causes or some combination of the two. The other thing is that the the headstone had a little

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sort of triangular picture and a circle on it. Apparently there was two parts of the headstone,

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one part went away. And then the, and then the little alien was buried with parts of the saucer

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or the event. But that was a dug up and disappeared and the headstone disappeared in, I don't know,

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in the mid-70s or so forth. Was he dug up too? As far as I know, yes. And taken away the

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way. So he's gone. Yeah, I mean, nobody knows where the exact great site is anymore. This is

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the historical reporting and research of both Jim Mars and there was another investigator

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at the time that did that. And it sort of disappeared in the middle of the night. The typical sort of

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thing that happens with all crash retrievals. But for 70 to 80 years, there was allegedly a body

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of a potential extraterrestrial buried in this Texas backwoods town. Right. In their cemetery.

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Plane town. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And no one dug it up for 70 to 80 years. That was the part that

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was hung up on that one. Yeah, nobody dug it up as far as I know. I mean, I'm not the primary

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investigator on the case. Jim Mars really was. And he was Jim Mars again. Jim Mars. He was an

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investigative reporter. He wrote a book called Rule by Secrecy, which is a very interesting classic

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as well as he wrote the book JFK Crossfire, which was a national bestseller and all about the

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Kennedy assassination. He also wrote a book about 9-11. He's had an all of them. He's had an all of them.

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He was a conspiracy researcher. And it was very well known, very well respected. I mean,

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since you've never met Jim Mars, but he was, I remember out in Laughlin, Nevada, one of the

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UFO conferences, a bunch of us went off and he could really smoke a cigar and down his whiskey and

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tell these incredible stories. And it was, it was impressive. And that was the charm of him is that

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he was, he was encyclopedic in his knowledge, you know, the same thing with like Rich Dolan. I mean,

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he can be very, he can go. Yeah, he can go. And that's, that's the beauty of some of the people in

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Eufology. And that's actually what motivated me in part to try to capture capture that wisdom

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into an artificial intelligence tool called Euphidex. Euphidex.com. Is it get all that information to be

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able to pull it in and be able to query it in a responsible, interesting manner? Yeah, we'll put the

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link to that down in the description for people. But essentially you have, it's, it's AI that goes

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through all these different primary sources from Euphology to answer a specific question you

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may have and spit it out for you. That's well said. But you can ask, you know, specific and

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challenging questions. You know, you can do the simple things like, you know, what's the ET agenda

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or complicated things like, compare and contrast the three major aerospace companies efforts on

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reverse engineering. Please cite the names of the people and the programs if you, if you have knowledge

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and give me the sources and file names of your references. So you can do lots of different things

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or everybody has questions. That's the thing is everybody wants, they have their own expertise,

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their own motivation, their own enthusiasm. And they want to, they want to get their question

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answered. Nots, I really enjoy presentations where, you know, the speaker does, you know, half

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speaking and half questions. Because everybody in the audience has their own hot button. Oh, yeah,

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for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So back to this case though in Aurora. Yeah. So if it gets dug up

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in the 70s, who's doing that, you think? Do they have, do they have any idea down there in Aurora?

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Who might have been? Well, I'm sure it's the control group or MJ12. I mean, what's interesting is

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that in one of the majestic documents, I think it's in 42 or 47, they mentioned, let's re-investigate

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the Aurora, Texas 1897 case or let's start there in our complete analysis of uphology. And so

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maybe it was back in the 40s that they started looking at it, maybe in the 40s that the

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little alien was dug up, but the headstone was left where the parts were retrieved. Actually,

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now that I hear myself talk about it, I think that's what happened. Is any responsible intelligence

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agency or counterintelligence people would say, oh, we got to agree with that. We can't let the

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hang around. They let it hang out there for a long time. Yeah, well, they get it in the 40s,

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they let it hang out for 50 years, you know, so yeah, right. So let's get that. And I'm sure that

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there's been many other, I mean, there's other crashes that happened in Cape Gerardo in 41. What happened

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there? Well, Cape Gerardo is also mentioned in the majestic documents. So you know, what can I

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cut you off for one second just for people to have context out there, then we'll come right to

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Cape Gerardo. Can you just take us through majestic 12 and what that is in the history of it being

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uncover because there's questions, there's people to try to say it was debunked, there's people

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to try to say it was real, but I just want to make sure the listeners have context. I know what we're

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talking about. No, that's that's perfect. So the broad brush is that there's been a series of

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leak documents starting in 1984. And the last one is like 1999 or 2000 from seven different sources

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spanning some 3,500 pages of leak documents. That's a few. That's a few. Some of it classified

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top secret magic like like that. Yeah, like well, let's see. Well, like this one. Yeah, this is the

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first one that that is the Eisenhower briefing document. I'll hold that up to my hand. This is a

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first generation negative from the Eisenhower briefing document, which came in 1984. What does that

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mean first generation negative? Well, so you have an undeveloped triax film that came in the mail to

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Jamie Chanderay and LA, I was an LA producer. So you go to the dark room and you develop it and

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then you print it. And so this is a first generation print. Very cool. From from that. And it says

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top secret magic on the top of it. And it may. I see. Yeah, and that stands for military assessment

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of the Joint Intelligence Committee. And may Jay, I see these big terms. Yeah, right. Well,

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there's a document called that. So and then it has a whole list of people down at the front.

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The alleged 12, the alleged original M12. And this is the one that you know,

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somebody sent to the FBI and the FBI ran around all three letter agencies and said, well,

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did you lose this? And none of them said, we lost it. Oh, yeah, because they were going to tell

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the truth. Exactly. Exactly. And so you didn't even lose anything close. Right. So they stamp

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it bogus. And and the FBI says it's bogus. And they have it on the web. They have it in the

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National Archives is as quote bogus because nobody admitted to the lost it. Can I can I read this?

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Sure. Right now. This is this is pretty cool. So it says is as you pointed out, Ryan, it says

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top secret magic eyes only on the top like it's stamped on. And then down here it says operation

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majestic 12 is a top secret research and development intelligence operation responsible directly.

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And only to the president of the United States allegedly was set up by Truman operations of the

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project are carried out under control of the majestic 12 magic 12 group, which was established by

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special classified executive order of president Truman on 24 September 1947 about a couple years

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after the nukes here upon recommendation by Dr. Vannevar Bush and Secretary James Forrestal,

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who I know James Fox is brought up a bunch, the members of majestic 12 group were designated as

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follows Admiral Roscoe H. Hillincoater first director of the CIA. Okay. Dr. Vannevar Bush secretary

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James Forrestal general Nathan twining general Huyte Vannevarg Dr. Detlev Brank Dr. Jerome Hunsiger

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Mr. Sidney Sowers Mr. Gordon Gray Dr. Donald Menzel general Robert Montague and Dr. Lloyd

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Berkner. Yeah. Okay. Some of those people are very interesting in that. Yeah. Can we get context?

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Yeah. Now I'll give you a few that I have, you know, good memory for. Well, Hillincoater is very

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interesting. He was the first director of the CIA and he's got a lot to do with pushing this along

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as well as Vannevar Bush, who was head of OSRD Office of Scientific Research and Development. He was

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the key scientific guy. So he's a super scientist and managed all the crash retrieval analysis and

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reverse engineering in that effort. Okay. And then you go to James Forrestal. Forrestal is interesting for

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I have Forrestal's FBI file and yeah, I have a bunch of FBI files. But it's a nice old flex. So

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he had sort of a drinking problem a little bit of psychological stress, but he also was sort of

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thrown out the window on the designated hospital, defenestrated, so to speak. You couldn't fly.

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You couldn't fly. And now the question is why and was he going to tell the truth? He was a

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loose cannon. Was he mentally unstable at the time? But, you know, he was the secretary of the Navy.

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General Nathan Twining was the key guy in the Roswell investigation and then

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and was very much the good soldier and worked hard at the whole Roswell reverse engineering.

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Hoyt Vannevar was his boss. DeLive Bronke was a scientist and I have Bronke's FBI file too.

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And it's plugged into Euphodex as well. So Bronke was a surgeon, a scientist, somebody capable of

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doing an autopsy of an alien and one of the majestic documents capable of doing autopsy of an alien.

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He actually did an autopsy of an alien that was in one of the majestic documents. He worked

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with good friends with Leslie Groves, the head of the Manhattan. Matt Damon in the movie.

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Yeah, Matt Damon in the movie, right. And then Don Menzel was a famous Harvard astronomer

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and sort of a debunker of Euphology. So he's a disinformation agent in the in the front facing

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world of Euphology in that era. And Lloyd Berkner was another one working with Bush and

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plugged into the White House. I actually got I think in Berkner's FBI file, I have a document

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that says he was assigned to the White House for Special Studies Project, quote, M for majestic

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in theory. It doesn't say majestic, but there was another person that has the same M classification.

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So these were the original people that were at the highest level. In the majestic documents,

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all I have this list on majestic documents.com of MJ12 personnel, which is like 100 names of people.

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And their their affiliation, their their social security numbers, their military ID numbers,

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their date of birth, date of death. And that's that's all findable on majestic documents.com.

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Guys, if you're still watching this video and you haven't yet hit that subscribe button,

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please take two seconds and go hit it right now. Thank you. Yeah, let's let's pull up the

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the Wikipedia because this is going to be biased against majestic 12. Oh yeah, they defer like everything on

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there. I just want to see what that says for people. So again, like they're going to let the

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book everything on there. Take this with a grain of salt, but go down a lese. Well, let's let's

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let the top I pretty much already read off what that is. Go down to analysis. All right, so class

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is investigation of the MJ12 documents found that Robert Cutler was actually out of the country

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on the date he supposedly wrote the Cutler twining memo and that the Truman signature. Oh, no,

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we lost the screen. Yeah, Truman signature. The Truman signature was a pasted on photocopy of a

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genuine signature, including accidental scratch marks from a memo that Truman wrote to Van

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of our Bush on October 1st, 1947. Can you scroll down? Class dismissed theories that the documents

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were part of a disinformation campaign as ridiculous saying they contain numerous flaws that could

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never fool Soviet or Chinese intelligence. Other discrepancies noted by class included the use of

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a distinctive date format that match one used in more personal letters and a conversation reported

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by Brad Sparks in which more confided that he was contemplating creating and releasing some

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hoax top secret documents in hopes that such bogus documents would encourage former military

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intelligence officials who knew about the government's alleged UFO cover-up to break their

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OSA secrecy. Yeah, no, those are those are the classic objections. So I'll make a few comments.

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One is that Truman had an auto pin, which is a pin where you you you move your hand once and

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five other pins do the same thing at the same time. What? Yeah, it's called an auto pin. I have a

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picture of Truman using it. Is that on the internet? It's on I think it's on majestic documents.com

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in in photos. So are they are the patterned patterned? Yeah, they're mechanically attached.

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Oh, okay. All right. That makes sense. I thought you were talking about like magic anti-gravity

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functions. No, no, no, they're mechanically attractive. And it's something called an auto pin. So

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they used it for signing invitations and signing documents. And the whole date format thing that

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class mentions is was widely debunked by by Stan Friedman and written up in his book. He actually

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won a bet against class for a hundred dollars of signature a hundred dollars per date format.

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And how many date formats were there? Well, class refused to pay past 10. So we paid a thousand

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dollars to Stan Friedman. But Friedman found like 20 25. Yeah, these were all at the

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Nash Library of Congress manuscript division. So that whole that whole message

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is and then class himself is part of the disinformation campaign in Ufology. I distinctly

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remember him coming to a variety of conferences and sitting in the front row and basically throwing

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barbs and refusing to accept any evidence. He was he he clearly had connections to government

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agencies. And it was his his focus was on debunking. The same way Richard Dodie is in his

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history history. And there's several others that are also Bill Moore is mentioned there in that

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Wikipedia mentioned. And Bill Moore in 1989 was in the Las Vegas Mewfond Conference and he he ran

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out the back of the the stage when the CIA was brought up and he's questioned about that. He so he

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and my father knew him. I had met Bill Moore before. So this needs to be done. I mean to do a good

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job of writing a book about the the cases and aspects of disinformation in Ufology. There's

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many other cases. Richard Dodie tried to manipulate Lyndon Molten Howe on several classified

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documents and then there's the show he showed her a bunch of documents and then

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was going to give him to her and then took him away. I think to do would be the interview Linda

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and and ask her what's going on what her I've heard her talk about it before. I remember

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the Paul Benowitz story where Richard Dodie was also involved where they basically tried to

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and Bill Moore as well psychologically destroy and manipulate a man to to suicide.

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I believe Darcy we're talked about that one right. I'll say that was the same one because he

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was talking about Richard Dodie. Yeah. Yeah. And so there there are cases like that. I'm not an expert

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in that. I just hear that through Osmosis of of being around the field for a long time.

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So going back to the majestic documents there's this Jamie Shanderray event and then the next

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major event happened in 1994 when a undeveloped film canister of Triax film again was mailed to

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Don Berliner in Washington DC who was an aviation week and space reporter. And when developed it turned

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into the special operations manual extraterrestrial entities technology recovering disposal.

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So this particular manual is the most powerful the most authentic the highest confidence of all

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the majestic documents. I've done the most analysis along with my father about its authenticity.

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And how do you authenticate something like this? Well there's we'll take the first page just for

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an example. So you'll see at the bottom there's the the war seal. Yes. You see the so first of all

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you find another manual that's in 1954 that has the war seal and so you can go to the government

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documents library at Stanford or our CU Boulder or Library of Congress etc and pull up other manuals

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that use the war seal. Some of the critics have said well this is fake because the government

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issued an order in 1952 you're not supposed to use the war seal on any documents anymore you're

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supposed to use the federal seal or something. And so it's fake because of that but no you could

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find other examples of where they used it. And so that is a hallmark of authenticity for example

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or the the style of the the Psalm 101 at the very top in that style is a correct copyable though 40

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years later. Well this leaked in 1994. Right and this was 19 April 1954 allegedly. Right well

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though the latest edition of that was 57 but when you say copyable could you fake it? Yes could

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the CIA could fake it the question is why or the KGB could have faked it but the question is why

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why leak it why? Yeah why? It's a disinformation thing. So I think it's it's not so much a clandestine

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leak to try to do something to scare the living daylights out of the Chinese or the Russians or the

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Israelis or whoever about it. It's more than it's authentic and there's a couple of their points

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of authenticity before I just mone on really. The biggest thing is on the inside page there's

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what's called a change control page where it's stamped Kirkland Air Force Base N.max unit KB 88

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building 21 and there's initials EWL and JRT that for the changing out certain pages in the manual.

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And so I said who are these guys EWL and JRT and I went to the Albuquerie phone book for 1954

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and found the two officers their name is in the phone book and they both were on perimeter road like

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four houses from each other. One was a lieutenant colonel and one was a captain I think and

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so I literally found the guys that were responsible for marking that. The also thing that we did is we

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took this manual to well they were purported to right so and what did they did you talk to them?

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I hired a private investigator to go find them and try to talk to them. One was dead and the other

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wouldn't talk and but the point is that this came out in 94 this is before computers. The next thing

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we did was we took it to Robert McCarter who is a retired government printing office

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employee basically wrote the government printing style manual for several years which is a big

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thick book all about the nature of how you write government documents and my father and I went to

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his house in Virginia we had this green card table and we slid this document across to him and

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and said well what do you think of this and his response was well by the the title I would think

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it's fake but then he flared his flicking through all the pages and said oh the Z in synchronizer was

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raised off the line which is an artifact of a hot printing press so and he said federal was

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capitalized correctly and that screw what why do you think the first page was fake?

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I don't know I just just from the title you know it was so weird he'd never seen extraterrestrial

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entities technology so that would that was sort of his you know as a jowlow citizen and you know

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the mid 90s saying right so and he went through and concluded that this falls all the various

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style details associated with hot led printing presses and classified documents and some of the

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what they call entomology which is the word usage so critical it's critical so for example screwdriver

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is two words or one word today and in the document it's two words which is a hallmark of or first

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aid was capitalized instead of a single word today and there's other little subtleties

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in the the language use as well as all the references in the back were correct but these are

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sort of hallmarks of the authenticity what was so stunning is the content you know if you just

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go to the the page that says what to do with the bodies and the parts and where to send it and

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ship it that's the you know from right Patterson blue lab to area 51s for so that's the part that's

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very interesting whoa okay I see that right here it says like living entity living nonhuman

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organisms an apparent good or reasonable health code ebe 010 receiving facility op-knack bbs

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dash oh one yeah now are are we able to have well some of these say area 51s for yeah a lot

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people have heard of yeah but are we able to know if all these are government or actually run by

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a contractor well I think they're all government okay I think at that this time I mean area 51s

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for is right right and uh in the blue lab at right Patterson Air Force base so yes wp yeah wp but

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op-knack bbs oh one is still somewhat of a mystery I think bbs oh one stands for Bronx

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steeliff Bronx biological section what what makes you say well his bronch was the guy who did the

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autopsy of the alien along with Charles Ethan Ray in the majestic documents so those are the two guys

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that did uh and then you know we're getting ahead of ourselves but in one of the majestic documents

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the interplanetary phenomenon unit document um it it says uh deliff bronch and Charles Ray did

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the autopsy of an alien um and I said well who's this guy Charles Ethan Ray and so I 100 around and

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he was a surgeon he also um was at the Mayo clinic and uh worked with Leslie Groves and

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he had the credentials to do an autopsy of an alien uh and then I called up his daughter in Seattle

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and uh talked to her on the phone and what she said I said well do you think your father

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autopsy to an alien and she said yeah I wouldn't put it past him yeah she didn't elaborate she didn't

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say that he ever told her that she did it he did it um but he no hesitation in her voice um we

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talked a little bit about her her father and she sent me some documents and pictures and so forth

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but you can get his military personnel file and uh he was part of the medical core and very relatively

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famous there's a huge plaque uh about uh about him um in uh Minnesota so he he's a real stalwart

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along with deliff bronch I mean these are if you 1947 you wanted to do an autopsy of an alien these

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two people you'd tap particularly because Leslie Groves the head of the Manhattan Project um

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would have chosen these people in a super classified way to to do that yeah that Leslie Groves guy had a

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lot a lot of behind the scenes power Jesse Michaels was in here talking about him a bit too I

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I he keeps coming up in a lot of conversations but he he's a mysterious guy in this history yeah

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and uh and and he's somebody that needs more research um for example uh I don't I don't have his

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FBI file but you could certainly file for it and you could get his military personnel file

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we're probably faster you can get the FBI file um why faster uh because

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the national personal records turns things around in three months to six months where the latest

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request for um uh this guy lay no no he's not on the list but um I put in a request and they had

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3900 pages at the national archives and um and their response was well if you want to study

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classify all 3900 pages you got to get in line and it'll be six years six years six years and it

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might be dead in six years exactly I might have moved you know uh and but if you reduce your

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request to uh 400 pages um we can uh get you in the queue faster we have your higher priority

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and it'll be 39 months that's still over three years exactly so this is an example of how the

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cover up works is that the national archives doesn't have the resources to even process all the

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people I have a long list I could have give give the national archives 40-50 names of people

[0:56:35 - 0:56:41] ▶

that need yeah their files declassified and they don't have enough lawyers or resources to go

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through it and declassify it all so uh it's underfunded and uh congress passed that uh that law

[0:56:50 - 0:57:00] ▶

recently sort of stripped down but it still requires the national archives to publish

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on their website UFO UAP stuff as well as submitted to I think ATIPR so they're doing some work

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and it's difficult to get them to focus on um what I want I wrote them a letter I wrote the

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archivist head archivist letter saying you know if you want help in pointing in the right direction

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to find the truth in the national archives I can help you and they never responded yeah I didn't think

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they would yeah not to that one yeah so uh anyway that's um so we're talking about the

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majestic documents so that that's the special operations manual 1994 and then there's a variety

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of documents that come to Tim Cooper and some uh who was Tim Cooper again Tim Tim Cooper is an

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interesting uh fellow so Tim Cooper's father Harry B Cooper worked at Air Force Base in the

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National Photographic Interpretation Center and he got a accommodation from Curtis Lemay for his

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outstanding work in the USAF UFO program which I have uh yeah it's in my book magic eyes only

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that an example of this combination letter with the gold seal uh and everything Curtis Lemay

[0:58:25 - 0:58:33] ▶

another another strange dog back there yeah right who definitely was up to his eyeballs and control

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yes um so Harry B Cooper did a lot of work printing lots of classified documents in a in a cage in

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an Air Force Base which is now I think Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado and his son Tim

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um was watching his father um at the JFK assassination on TV and his his father basically burst into

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tears and said oh my god they did it and this made a really lasting impression on Tim and he learned

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more from his father about UFOs and started filing freedom of information act requests for

[0:59:23 - 0:59:30] ▶

lots of various things at White Sands proving grounds and he was very much uh he was a private investigator

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he was a detective uh by training yeah and so he he did a level of uh investigative journalism

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than I haven't done but I've got a lot of this is original research but his dad says oh my god

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they did it they did it yeah the connotation there is the connotation and his emotional crying of his

[0:59:53 - 0:59:59] ▶

father uh is that uh that the counterintelligence guy is assassinated uh Kennedy now the question is

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why did they assassinate and so there's lots of reasons I mean yeah yeah he had a lot a lot of

[1:00:07 - 1:00:14] ▶

reasons but you can add the um uh he's gonna tell the UFO secret and there's uh there's also one

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of the majestic documents called uh national security action action memorandum number 271 and 274

[1:00:21 - 1:00:28] ▶

one four year released and one leaked but basically it says like I don't know a week before he's

[1:00:28 - 1:00:35] ▶

assassinated um I want you this is a memo to the head of NASA uh James Webb uh saying um I want you

[1:00:35 - 1:00:47] ▶

to share the knowns and the unknowns with the Russians the uh with the Russian with the Russians uh

[1:00:47 - 1:00:53] ▶

the unknowns being the UFOs uh and basically I think that may have been yet another reason

[1:00:53 - 1:01:02] ▶

uh the like I know this guy's gotta go this guy's gotta go is he wants to open the kimono and share

[1:01:02 - 1:01:09] ▶

the secret sauce with the Russians he just you know he gone through the Bay of Pigs and you know

[1:01:09 - 1:01:15] ▶

the whole new thing and um that was uh not a pleasant experience for Kennedy and all those

[1:01:15 - 1:01:22] ▶

back channels and and we need to stop this and he decided to make a strategic decision to say

[1:01:22 - 1:01:27] ▶

let's let's cooperate instead of fight yes yeah there there was a private there was a private

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red line between Kennedy and Khrushchev where they had I think up to like 18 very full blown conversations

[1:01:35 - 1:01:43] ▶

that weren't like reported to anyone at the time and one of the one of the other key I guess outcomes

[1:01:43 - 1:01:51] ▶

of those conversations were these discussions between the two of them about the dangers of

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nukes and about decreasing the supply of nukes and and like disarming both and so when you talk with

[1:01:57 - 1:02:07] ▶

a lot of these ex intel guys especially the ones who have some kubano and in their background

[1:02:07 - 1:02:13] ▶

right I think usually because of that and even more so than the Bay of Pigs it seems to me

[1:02:13 - 1:02:19] ▶

at this point that's why they like they'll still call him a traitor or whatever right I would

[1:02:19 - 1:02:24] ▶

disagree with that assertion for sure yeah but you know there there were just so many things and even

[1:02:24 - 1:02:31] ▶

even just like the six to nine months before he was killed where he was on say the wrong side of

[1:02:31 - 1:02:39] ▶

the issue versus intelligence right and then yeah head gets blown off right and and uh James Jesus

[1:02:39 - 1:02:47] ▶

Angleton which was the head of counterintelligence where the spookiest of them all right where a lot of

[1:02:47 - 1:02:55] ▶

the the majestic documents and these leaks to Tim Cooper occurred this the source that kept giving

[1:02:55 - 1:03:05] ▶

Tim these various mailedrops as well as some direct mailings from other parties

[1:03:05 - 1:03:10] ▶

uh was a gentleman by name of a pseudonym called Cantwheel and Cantwheel

[1:03:11 - 1:03:18] ▶

claimed to be part of the interplanetary phenomenon unit the IPO oh yeah yeah and the

[1:03:20 - 1:03:26] ▶

IPO has been freely admitted in multiple freedom of information act requests

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uh to be a real unit part of the assistant chief of staff for intelligence uh technical and

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scientific branch counterintelligence um interplanetary phenomenon unit so this this chain down

[1:03:41 - 1:03:48] ▶

and uh Cantwheel was you know going to the um crash retrievals in uh at the L.A. air raid in

[1:03:48 - 1:03:58] ▶

42 right and and it raws well and maybe many other cases and had a a fairly large file

[1:03:59 - 1:04:06] ▶

of material sort of outside of um you know the army the Air Force and the other agencies so

[1:04:07 - 1:04:16] ▶

he was uh he had a lot of information and and I think he was one of the people that um

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was probably recruited to declassify material at Fort Mead um busy had all these tickets and

[1:04:24 - 1:04:31] ▶

clearances and he was sympathetic to young Tim who we knew uh new through his father and when his

[1:04:31 - 1:04:39] ▶

foyer requests came by um he decided to do some leaking um and that's uh that's how I think it

[1:04:39 - 1:04:48] ▶

happened for Tim and over several years he got a variety of mailbox drops um I have some of

[1:04:48 - 1:04:55] ▶

the original envelopes some were mailed to his post office box some were put inside his postbox

[1:04:55 - 1:05:01] ▶

somewhere mailed from Sacramento one of the most interesting ones which is uh which is original

[1:05:03 - 1:05:09] ▶

documents um this is um this is the bow and encyclopedia of flying saucers so um

[1:05:09 - 1:05:17] ▶

sort of changed the subject a little bit uh Vernon Bowen uh wrote this book about encyclopedia

[1:05:18 - 1:05:24] ▶

flying saucers basically a history of flying saucers from 1960 backwards and he went to the New

[1:05:24 - 1:05:29] ▶

York Public Library did a lot of research he was a copywriter um and he submitted this to the

[1:05:29 - 1:05:35] ▶

Air Force as being a duly good citizen and uh he went in and never came back out except uh 39

[1:05:35 - 1:05:43] ▶

years later from the Freedom of Information Act office uh at Fort Mead Maryland um to Tim Cooper

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and this this original document which I have here which is says the highest classification of

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this document is top secret magic no foreign dissemination for USIs only exempt from declassification

[1:05:56 - 1:06:03] ▶

or rada originating agency this is the original one this is the original pace paper they came I have

[1:06:03 - 1:06:09] ▶

other original pieces of paper you'll never see that uh except out of my hands or out of my safe

[1:06:09 - 1:06:15] ▶

but you know I'd love to do we did forensic on ink and paper and pencil marks um but we can't get um

[1:06:16 - 1:06:27] ▶

exemplars to compare against the inks um uh when the top secret stamps you know this red stamp that's

[1:06:28 - 1:06:36] ▶

here so to do forensics on that you need to uh punch out a little hole and do well no on this

[1:06:36 - 1:06:44] ▶

this is the most file copy is probably we can do both but you need to do liquid chromatography

[1:06:44 - 1:06:53] ▶

on the dots liquid chromatography liquid chromatography on the dots to do the forensic analysis but

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you got to have something to compare with what is that liquid chromatography so you punch out a

[1:06:59 - 1:07:04] ▶

little hole you put in some chemicals and it goes out of gel uh and it uh it finger prints

[1:07:04 - 1:07:12] ▶

finger prints the ink that's really the principle so you can fingerprint the ink so if you have

[1:07:13 - 1:07:20] ▶

another example like you went to the national archives found another top secret manual or top secret

[1:07:20 - 1:07:27] ▶

document of this era that wasn't um uh stamped top secret magic something something else something

[1:07:27 - 1:07:34] ▶

peruseic and you were able to take a little thing a little dot out of it and compare them you

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sent it off to a forensic laboratory to do it and they read a report and say yep we compared the

[1:07:43 - 1:07:48] ▶

two inks they're of the same batch or style uh they were both Air Force inks then you have

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something you say oh I can prove in a court of law that this is really from this era

[1:07:56 - 1:08:03] ▶

and so that's the forensics that you have to do to sort of prove things to the next level but the

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national archives will never let you uh take your original document and put a little hole in it

[1:08:13 - 1:08:20] ▶

of course and and take it out so did you get this again this was mailed to uh Tim Cooper

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yes yeah 300 pages but did he give it to you yeah you got he gave it to my father uh father and I

[1:08:27 - 1:08:33] ▶

who just passed away three weeks ago oh you dad passed away three weeks ago yeah oh sorry to

[1:08:34 - 1:08:40] ▶

hear that well it's so he was he was 96 um and you know he he'd been investigating UFOs uh

[1:08:40 - 1:08:47] ▶

you know at least since uh well since 1967 wow um it was a theoretical well it's a physicist

[1:08:47 - 1:08:55] ▶

and a rocket scientist at McDonald Douglas Douglas and then McDonald Douglas and then Boeing

[1:08:56 - 1:09:02] ▶

oh with Boeing too we had a lot he hit him well that's the same program same company you know

[1:09:02 - 1:09:07] ▶

Douglas became McDonald Douglas that came Boeing so they they were all I know but he hit every

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year he never he was he when he retired in 93 he was working on the space station wow yeah so he did

[1:09:13 - 1:09:19] ▶

he did rockets um I did this scanty gravity program at Douglas aircraft company um and he did a lot

[1:09:21 - 1:09:32] ▶

of contributions he wrote uh he wrote this book alien viruses alien viruses yeah oh I love this uh

[1:09:32 - 1:09:41] ▶

yeah I cover right here alien viruses available on amazon I'm getting I'm getting some flashbacks

[1:09:42 - 1:09:48] ▶

yeah here we go this is a bio warfare MJ12 and crashed UFOs so it goes a little bit more into

[1:09:48 - 1:09:55] ▶

the bio warfare aspect is one of the leaked majestic documents I think it's the um the fifth annual

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report talks about uh the serums collected from the samples of the Roswell aliens can

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launch us to unheard of heights in biological and chemical warfare all right based on what sources

[1:10:10 - 1:10:16] ▶

do we know that uh well that's one of the leaked documents that's in with paragraph uh in one

[1:10:16 - 1:10:22] ▶

of the leaked documents it's on majestic on the majestic on to the majestic documents.com website

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now your dad who's quite literally a rocket scientist yeah scientist did this for many many years

[1:10:27 - 1:10:34] ▶

yeah friends with guys like Stan Friedman yeah he Stan Friedman worked for him for three work for him

[1:10:34 - 1:10:39] ▶

so your dad is obviously a genius and yet for so many years he felt like this was this was

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something worth using his genius for pursuing the investigation of potential craft that the

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government could be in possession of yeah I mean he had seen lights in the sky and forensics

[1:10:53 - 1:11:00] ▶

a lot of he sort of decided to focus on authenticating documents as sort of his uh focus and I tagged

[1:11:00 - 1:11:07] ▶

along for the ride and and we have so much in the way of the majestic documents now and we've done a

[1:11:07 - 1:11:16] ▶

lot of authenticity that I'm carrying on the mantle of advocating for the the trove of documents

[1:11:16 - 1:11:24] ▶

that have been leaked so far and talking about why they're authentic I it's not that I'm you know

[1:11:24 - 1:11:32] ▶

head over heels every document can be investigated so far and they have like crashes have authenticity

[1:11:32 - 1:11:40] ▶

you know some can be thoroughly investigated and some you can't do much with uh like the

[1:11:40 - 1:11:45] ▶

curious documents for example there's uh it was another leak but um it was allegedly a briefing

[1:11:45 - 1:11:54] ▶

for Carter uh but there's not much to authenticate wait wait a briefing for Carter yeah briefing

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because I just had she hand in here talking about how Carter wanted to know and he had to like go to

[1:12:00 - 1:12:05] ▶

the you know underneath congress to try to get the docs yeah well uh this is one of the challenges

[1:12:05 - 1:12:12] ▶

with uh this particular document the sequerious document is that allegedly it was a a briefing for

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Carter um and uh I don't know I have to go look it up on the the web but you can't do much of

[1:12:18 - 1:12:26] ▶

investigation or analysis on it because it's it doesn't have a bunch of facts to check

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and so it's in the gray basket as Stan Friedman recall it or the neutral zone or you can't you

[1:12:31 - 1:12:38] ▶

can't push the needle of authenticity one way or the other and so you're just left with oh interesting

[1:12:38 - 1:12:43] ▶

um sort of uh motif of uh that particular document so uh and so there's a lot of um

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lot of documents we got original documents got uh photocopies and leak documents some have

[1:12:57 - 1:13:02] ▶

gone through lots of forensic analysis some have not so this is a mismatch there's lots of pictures

[1:13:02 - 1:13:08] ▶

too somewhere on the website some are still in my filing and and since my father died I I cleaned

[1:13:08 - 1:13:14] ▶

out his office and uh I cleaned out 23 boxes of material uh books filing cabinets and I'm still

[1:13:14 - 1:13:22] ▶

just going through it and I don't know I went through one filing cabinet you know here's

[1:13:22 - 1:13:26] ▶

uh a write-up some background and little vile of allegedly roswell crash parts while it was

[1:13:27 - 1:13:36] ▶

dust uh or granted you had a vile of that you had a vile of it I didn't know anything about it

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it's like okay dad why are you gonna tell me this shit

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so uh and there's there's a bunch of stuff and I suspect there's probably some other leaked

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majestic documents in there that he didn't share with me he didn't tell me everything but

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I know we were close together some of the most of the major stuff is all on the website

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what what did your dad think this was did he ever give a real definition to you of that and what

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I mean is did he look at this is purely extraterrestrials potentially coming from another planet

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in the galaxy far far away or did he look at it as future humans or some sort of other phenomenon

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like that what what was his take uh I so there's two answers to that I think the short answer is

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that uh there's multiple civilizations with multiple missions visiting planet earth that was his

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conclusion uh but he was a physicist so he was far more interested in the nuts bolts of gravity

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control and what is what's the analysis of the electromagnetic spectrum or what is it why are some

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of these early craft having you know smoke rings around them that seems really weird or uh

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it was it was far more the uh the nuts and bolts of the science of uphology and the evidence

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uh and the authenticity of documents so that was his sort of lane we both sort of were fascinated

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by abductions or interface experiences but never really uh investigated those we didn't go

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down that path more interested in the engineering side yeah the engineering side exactly and

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and that was uh our focus so that was his conclusion uh it's sort of my conclusion too and

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there's lots of reasons well you know people ask what's the ET agenda and different races have

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different agendas from the grays being maybe more genetic manipulation uh to the blonde Nordics

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being you know more altruistic and benevolent but I'm just sort of speculating uh sort of highlighting

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what the AI uphologist uh your latest book yeah the latest book that I that I did the AI uphologist

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which was a really fun uh process um I was um I was working on electric fusion you know my day job

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and using AI so we had taken you know two or three hundred scientific papers and went through

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put them all into AI and started to analyze them for uh fusion interactions and how we do various

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potential fusion devices and so forth and I was so impressed with the quality of that then I said well

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I don't know what apps if I just take uh I had all these PDFs that I had scanned um long ago

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and ask good questions and so I did that and uh the first question of what's the ET agenda

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and I got 14 paragraphs back in one minute yeah exactly and what what what was the most compelling

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part of that answer uh the breadth and the completeness it's like oh I got like five or six of a right

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and I've been the field in a long time but um I had forgotten a lot of the other ones so it was um

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you know that was the thing that was uh that was powerful you know what's the agenda scientific study

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I mean that's the sort of typical one then resource acquisition while the different

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acquisitions yeah they're here for water or gold or you know human GNAs what you know uh benevolent

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guidance uh well we've got to urge this little emerging planet to clean up its act in the next

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hundred years and join the cosmic kindergarten benevolent guidance could could point to

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either you know some sort of like we are a simulation where we're a video game that could be it

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or it could point to like the future humans argument where they're playing with dimensions

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and potentially coming into this dimension as we exist here right now visiting it to try to

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improve its future I mean that's yeah when I see stuff like some of the things that were alleged in

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Virginia but then really specifically in 1994 in Zimbabwe that's where my thought goes huh maybe

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that could be something from the future because of the the almost like the calm gravity with which

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the alleged ET's expressed their hope for our potential as a as as a human race yeah right on

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Julian I mean that's uh very very relevant um you know some of the other ones that they they

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highlighted benevolent intentions uh in contrast to benevolent yeah and then there's the sort of I

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just don't give a damn the indifference attitude um survival it was another concept that came on

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survival survival I'm you know from planet Z my son is exploding and you know and I need to find

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a new place and so I'm I'm whipping over to planet earth they got some good places in Antarctica

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under the ocean under the earth that I can come and visit and hang out and there's a good environment

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here maybe there's diplomatic relations you know diplomatic you know there's the alleged

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Eisenhower Accords and all that stuff is that well let's start a diplomatic relationship well some

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of them may be doing that there's the whole observation or anthropological approach where you know

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I'm getting my PhD in anthropology and emerging kindergarten civilizations let's go over to

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planet earth and see how they manage this uh nuke no nuke kill the world environmental conflict

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overpopulation dot dot dot you know all the problems of the world um experimentation um you know

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let's tune up these inhabitants maybe give them a DNA boost or some somehow tweak their biology to

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maybe have more girls of us boys you know who that's that I become an um spiritual and metaphysical

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goals you know if they're all practicing Buddhism uh it's going to be happier world uh you know

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yeah exactly or genetic manipulation uh salvation preservation of genetic salvation salvation

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of human species aliens may be acting as guardians of humanity concerned about our future survival

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this can involve plans to rescue a select group of humans in the event of global catastrophe

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ensuring the continuation of the species you know so that's heavy it's heavy so that's an example

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of the sophistication of AI I mean at times it writes better than I can it's getting scary out there

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yeah exactly yeah um and then uh preservation of genetic stocks um and then uh you know some

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sort of advanced cosmic consciousness so what impressed me with that the fluke form my screen

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in under a minute was wow that is good and then I asked the next question of well why did they

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abduct humans uh and it gave us huge list and the next question the next questions and 16 hours

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I was done it was like I was possessed I was in the zone just going for it asking a tougher and tougher

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questions about you know how does why does MJ12 do what it does or how do you resolve the conflict

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between uh MJ12 and um and transparency how do you how do you come clean uh or you know what's

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the reaction of the economies uh and and the business environment to a certain level of disclosure

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and so it was a very interesting um process uh and and and I enjoyed it it it was uh and I sent

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it off for review and there's lots of uh these are all yours oh thank you yeah so much I have this

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one in Kindle yeah as well um so that that's a fun uh twist um and I and I'll I used uh ufodex.com

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I'm gonna probably do it every year and do the next edition where because I get more and more data

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the answers can get more um complete and AI will get better right exactly AI's it's just

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yeah and it's like scary because you know how much faster it is behind the scenes of what we don't

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have and you see how fast it's moving out here right now exponentially I mean when I started

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using mid-journey in February 2023 I used it for James Fox's first episode 138 I was the first time

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I've ever used it looking at that then versus now night and day and that's just some bullshit app

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that like you know someone like me can use to produce some pictures but you see some of these like

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AI movies short films that are being produced and you know they still suck but like the impressive

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quality of being able to get like some sort of cinematic theme in the lens you know having

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characters having a real you know plot point or whatever it's only gonna get better right it's

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right I I particularly focused on uh text you know trying to uh trying to get the the silo of

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uphological data um I mean AI still has a garbage in garbage out problem and so I was going to

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manage that problem by only putting what I considered to be high quality information right I mean

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yes I've books and periodicals but I also have FBI files stuff from the national archives and

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things that are primary sources primary sources right yeah and so that was um uh

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that was the impetus for that particular um exploration into AI and I

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and I still use it and it's still it's still a powerful tool to start people down the path

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oh yeah to to investigate yeah now I've gotten you off of the Cape Droid okay oh yeah like an hour

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ago right and we got we got deep on majestic and everything which was good but I know I know

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people out there didn't want to be left hanging on that so what happened in that one yeah well

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in one of the majestic documents there's a mention of the Missouri 41 crash and Stan Friedman

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had heard about this case from uh Charlotte Mann who is the granddaughter of uh

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Reverend Huffman and Reverend Huffman was a Baptist minister in Cape Toronto Missouri

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and he lived on Main Street and he was called to give blessings to three uh dead allegedly

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cloned aliens it looked identical blessings blessings yeah that's the one of them yeah that's what

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you know in in 41 in Baptist world it's blessings rather than we're gonna bring you to crash and

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death that's right so that was his um that was what the local police yeah so he was driven in a

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squad car about 15 minutes out of town um they put a little blanket over his head yeah no they didn't

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they didn't put a blanket over his head yeah uh and he was driven out of town into a field and there

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was uh sort of an acorn crashed burnt saucer and three dead aliens and he he gave him last

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rights or blessings and they did he describe what they looked like no you not in the testimony given

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uh to Charlotte Mann from her grand that's that's kind of an oversight though no like I feel like

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that's the first thing I would do I'd probably like say I saw three fucking aliens here's what

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they look like no yeah that the the story of Charlotte Mann I mean Charlotte Mann got her um

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her information from uh both osmosis throughout her time with her grandfather Reverend Huffman

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and grandmother flow Hoffman they they talked about a little picture of an alien and occasionally

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sure heard whispers about all this crash and so forth and it was um it was after Reverend Huffman

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had died and flow Hoffman was basically on her deathbed uh in the last few days the Charlotte

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Mann pressed her grandmother for details about this event and over those few days she uh or flow

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provided Charlotte Mann with all these details about the event uh and that's where the story

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comes from and it's written up in the book magic eyes only and there's some I interviewed her on

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camera several times and it's the subject of a uh uh two thousand two or three um you fund conference

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proceedings uh rich dolan's interviewer a couple of times anybody that ever talks to her

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um she's very sincere very uh genuine in her responses and so Reverend Huffman was called out

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provided blessings and then the military showed up and uh swept up the bodies everybody sworn

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to secrecy and it's all taken down to the sycston uh base which was where they trained a lot of

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world war two um pilots well which is in capes rato which is i don't know 30 minutes down the road or so

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and oh that's why it's called the capes rato yeah capes rato was where it was at uh and

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and so then you back up and say well what an investigation did you do Ryan to analyze what was going

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on here so you have the testimony you have a document you have the witness and so what I did next

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and um Paul Blake Smith continued on in his book uh Missouri 41 that he wrote about the capes

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rato event is that I um I went there uh went to the Baptist church and found pictures of the

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of the Reverend and the the uh the church at the time and tried to figure out on a map in a

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1941 road map you know what is 15 minutes driving at certain miles per hour imagining you're a police

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car going and try to identify the various zones or fields that could be the right locations

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and then I cross reference that with uh historical aerial photography at the national archives

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so I got 1939 aerial photography in 1942 or 43 aerial photography and look for places where there's

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disturbances and try to isolate where um this crash could have occurred and so the the fundamental

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challenge with all crash retrievals is precisely where and precisely when did it occur and if you

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have those two clues you could make a lot a lot of progress figuring it out so then what's the

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national archives to try to figure out well where where was it um and I had a few spots um and then

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you will back to Cape Toronto and you discover well one of the areas is um um a housing contract

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housing track now and then uh I took uh Joe McMonagold one of the wait stargate stargate oh yeah I know

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Joe well you know Joe well I know Joe well Joe and I get Joe in here uh he uh we can ask Sean show

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you might he might ask we could ask yeah I know I know um uh so I mean Joe and I did um two

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investigations together one was we went to a Cape Toronto misery with uh into a target field that we

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had uh with metal detectors trying to find where the crash site was and for context for people

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Joe was a remote viewer yeah I used to stargate and grill flame uh I would say grill flame grill

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flame that was the other uh uh and so the three best remote viewers in the world to our knowledge

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were Pat Price Ingo Swan Joe McMonagold and Pat Price and Ingo Swan are both dead um and

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every one Joe let's go that's right he's uh he's down in uh in Virginia I think

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I'm sure that's dangerously close yeah he's surely yeah um him and his wife Scooter

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Thamon Row Institute um so but he's sort of retired but we we went there and we tried to find

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where the crash site was and we weren't successful we found a few horseshoes and other things in

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these various fields but uh we weren't able I I'm sure the wreckage was sort of all picked up

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effectively yeah yeah yeah and then the look for the fire department logs um you could go to the

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fire department and find the historical logs uh and look through 1941 and so this is how you

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investigate a crash retrieval but if Joe was investigating this with you is he trying I would imagine

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using my imagination here like he's trying to use his remote viewing well yeah we did some

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charge some things yeah some targets uh where we thought they would would be and then we went on

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ground truth and so forth you know you're not always successful but we we did work on that I have

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his report I'm sure some place uh so this was and then we we actually speaking of Joe continually um

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we also investigated another event in outside of death valley uh it was uh

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okay remember the date but anyway we we went there um and we we searched around with uh metal

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detectors and did some psychic work and so there was there was a few adventures with Joe um

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you know 10 20 years ago when he was younger um and uh and that was fun that was fun

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it was and he did a lot of you did a lot of work for me um on various targets where I had

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well like in one of the majestic documents um in the white hot report which is on majestic documents

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there's one whole blackout page you know where there's nothing there and somebody to redact it at

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all and I had him do a blind target on a blind target yeah basically said you know here's the black

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out page what does it say and he basically wrote what it said and what did he write he read that

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this was about uh hieroglyphics and alien communications and um the investigations of uh

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of how the government was working to decipher the alien writings inside craft so that was a particular

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target um and a particular result I mean I don't have any way of proving it it seems logical

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incredible and I and I feel confident coming from Joe that because it's Joe years yeah because it's

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Joe this remote viewers no no here's here's the other thing though and I I got to ask this it's the

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same thing when Lou was sitting there yeah I got to ask him too because he comes from the government

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Joe comes from the government are they out here playing a joke on all of us to get us running

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in the wrong direction you know saying that in this case Joe's like oh yeah hieroglyphics aliens

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pyramids the whole bit's there you know what I mean like I'm not saying the guy is not credible as a

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as a remote viewer he made very well be it's a very strange subject matter man I'd love to talk

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with him but do you ever worry about you know him maybe not doing the Lord's work and maybe

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doing daddy governments work uh no not I haven't from my personal interactions with him and he's

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always been a straight shooter has he done government work for the government uh yeah and um but I

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think it's pretty much um he's a Vietnam veteran he's sort of like um they're built different

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they're sort of like fuck you uh and uh I you know I don't think he's manipulatable there um

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and so he he's done a variety of projects for me that have been impressive stunningly impressive

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at times and I've used other remote viewers for various tasks like um

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uh

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ed dams uh named he's probably never heard of he's probably gone away and sort of a um

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he was also part of the uh stargate program uh uh Paul Smith is done skip at water I mean just

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name people that have been in the program before so there's a variety of remote viewers that are

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are talented but my conclusion yeah my conclusion with psychics is that you really need to hire and

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find the very best people uh to work with because it's a single noise problem and if you don't get

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good signal you're making a lot of noise yeah I get really I'll fully man I get really skeptical of

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stuff like this now I listen when Joe went in talk with Sean and like you look at that guy's career

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it makes you think twice because this isn't like the old lady on Main Street and it and you know

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wearing it wearing a gypsy cap or something yeah you know so you do wonder about it but also

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how when you look at like stargate allegedly being disbanded and I want to say like oh three but

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fact check me in the comments people it was allegedly like two decades ago they said like oh it's

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gone do you really think that if the government had that they'd actually get rid of it I feel like if

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they did in fact have it and they might have you know and this was like a real thing and these guys

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like Pat Price and and Joe could really do this they got it it's it's like I will never do that again

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of course they're fucking doing it yeah I agree totally yeah I'm is it you would never throw away

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an intelligence uh tool like that right now it's just one of many sources that uh uh

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a CIA analyst would use it use overhead it use human int and he'd use uh all the tools and

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as the psychic input too um so unintractable problems uh it's very useful you know uh crash

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retrievals are one of the toughest things I mean the government and the MJ 12 and though the control

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group oh this is one of our primary missions yeah it crashes it lands I don't care what country it's

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in we see it come in we're in there as fast as possible recovering the stuff and until you show up

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with uh you know a few tanks and armed guards saying it's it's it's it's Bolivia's uh you know

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collect with that right uh we're actually one of the cases in in Mexico the federalities were there

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but um it was uh the story goes that the the Navy seals or the special forces just killed him

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just killed him just killed him yeah not even the cartels got there yeah you know just this

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is some of the work from Noi Torres and Rubin Oriarte in their in their book uh yeah can you

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explain this one I need to know yeah um I think it's the Komei uh case um I have to look at the

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book to see with the actual date um but it was uh uh it's a crash in Mexico um the federalities get

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there and are transporting it away and the US government team shows up and wants it and basically

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takes it and they kill the people so it's uh sort of blue on blue or blue on you know they kill

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them they kill them and took took the stuff not Chihuahua Mexico um no I think it's I'm looking I'm

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looking through your Chihuahua table yeah table of contents here yeah it's well we can we can find it

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but the seals came in well I don't know if it was seals or special forces or somebody

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and we lacked them yeah we're at them that's the that's the report from other researchers not me per say

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um I mean uh I think uh Rubin Oriarte and Noi Torres wrote a whole book on this particular

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Mexican Roswell the Mexican Roswell who's a history channel special yeah it's the history channel

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special um that actually I was I was in I probably still find it can we pull that up Chihuahua

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I have it over here Lassi but that's not on the screen Chihuahua Mexico UFO let's see what

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Wikipedia tries to tell us this one is again I'll let you I'll let you respond but that that

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would be kind of wild to me I guess I wouldn't put a pass us to go in there type in yeah go to

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UFO sightings in Mexico the third one let's do that okay so yeah yeah yeah 1974 right yeah there's

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so according to ufologist local residents reported a mid-air collision between the UFO and a small

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airplane near the town of Koyame on August 25th 1974 filed by military investigation cover up

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however historians say that such UFO reports were likely prompted by the 1974 crash and military

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recovery of a sezna aircraft involved in drug trafficking don't you love it when the car tells

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getting the middle of the UFO that's right well that's a good cover story to me yeah well it's a great

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listen in the in my buddy Paul Rosalie lives in the Amazon there's a lot he's uncontacted tribes

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there and so you know he was trying to freak me out about all that when I was down there with him

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but one of the things he was explained to me is that you know like when you see planes fly over where

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they are smack in the middle of the Amazon like just over the canopy he's like obviously those aren't

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commercial jets these are these are what we call narco traffickers yeah and the fucking

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uncontacted tribes look at him and they think their boxes in the sky sent by God oh wow and I'm like

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ah so they today it's a UFO so I see I see a little tie here yeah so anyway that that's so one

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example though of of deaths associated with with ufology or crash trebles I dedicate the book to

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those that have lost their lives to UFO secrecy yeah and there's the sandia engineering district

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technicians in 47 that went out to Roswell to handle the bodies and they several of them died of

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profuse bleeding in the nose and mouth from handling the bodies you know they're going out with their

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best hazmat suit of that era to pick them up and put them in the the sort of cask it's sort of

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speak and ship them off and I think that was the first tip off that oh my goodness these things are

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potential biological weapons and that that continues on and that that's one of the impetus for my

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dad's book you know alien viruses that that he did that was a that was a fun one yeah I mean if

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you're talking about a species that's coming from another dimension at the very least or a

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different place of course they have a total different by I mean it's coming up they have a

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different biology and I mean biology is the most dangerous thing exists on this planet so why

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wouldn't it be dangerous from somewhere else yeah for sure what was the what was the thing and

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I want to say it was 1939 senator uh Cardell something like that he in in DC I probably have that

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wrong maybe it started with an S I forget but he oh it's definitely the sea or an H H but he

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allegedly in the basement of the capital saw a few alien bodies or something like that they were

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like alien parts existed in in vials of from out of hide I think I've heard that story but I don't

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have any you know deeper knowledge than you do co-op on yeah that's see when I when I hear stuff

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like that because then I would think that that guy would have written like a whole memoir on it

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or something well there's lots and he may have I mean no as anybody gone to look for his files

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um I mean I want to go to Las Vegas to Harry Reid's archives and and go through that I mean he's

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got to have a lot of information there that's uh I mean there's lots of subtle clues there's no

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smoking guns um but there's circumstantial and supportive evidence everywhere that could be uh

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brought forth do you think some of that and I asked this a lot of different guys sitting in that

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seat you're in right now when we're talking about this do you think some of that is that these

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these civilizations could simulate ahead of time and in English what I mean by that is if you are

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either one a an extremely advanced extraterrestrial species from far away that far exceeds our abilities

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here or future humans from way in the future who far exceed our abilities here and have insane

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powers to you know distort time whatever it may be couldn't you like simulate not crashing or

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simulate you know who if if I'm gonna be seeing only these kids in the woods are gonna see me

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no one else is gonna see me so no one will believe them couldn't you do that as your own type of

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experiment because you would hypothetically be so far advanced and perfect than I'm using my

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imagination here because I don't know what that would fully consist of but like you'd be so far ahead

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and perfect that you don't make mistakes as simple as like what to us would be a plane crash

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right I mean uh I think certainly uh you know abductions of the mind or uh real abductions is pretty

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stealthy and there's no evidence but people ask you know and senators and congressmen ask well

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you know I'm from Missouri why in the hell would these crash you know why um how can they be so advanced

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as to screw up so badly and land on planet earth uh and so as David rushes mentioned in his

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testimony as there's a certain percentage of uh events that ended mission failure

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um even for them even for them I mean ask him yeah and then uh the other thing is that we value

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human life and they may not and so these very well could be more disposable you know cyber

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AI clones or biological clones that are they're just exploring the galaxy they it's more efficient to

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do a biological thing than a mechanical thing right because uh then there's the potential for

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um you know weird natural phenomenon um like a good negative lightning bolt is 10x a positive

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lightning bolt the most common type and uh in Mexico desert is notorious for uh lightning

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um and so that may not have been prepared for that or maybe overwhelm their navigation systems or

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or the testimony of uh Colonel Corso in his book the day after Roswell where he said you know

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no turn off the radar let me you know um he had an interaction with an alien and said you know

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please uh uh turn off the radar so I can leave and uh yeah that's actually a better job of explaining

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it yeah that that's uh wow yeah uh that's real casual he had an interaction with an alien said

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please yeah right uh so in his book the day after Roswell he highlights an interaction that he had

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it was um he had his radar operating and um I think he was in a mine or a cave and uh an alien appeared

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in he's in he uh said friend or foe and um a typical military guy and uh in the alien said neither

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and um and uh then he asked well you know what's in it for me or something like that and he said

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a better world if you can tell he said the alien said can you turn off the radar so I can leave

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and and he said well what's in it for me and the alien responded a better world if you can take it

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words of those effect I don't like I got the quote exactly right but it's it's in his book in the

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language yeah and so I mean I don't know if you mentally heard it in his mind or actually verbally

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waves or or so forth but that's in the book the day after Roswell um but you know

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Cornel Corso is very interesting as being hey first-hand witness army uh reverse engineering you

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can find his documents the national archives uh you know his claim was that we were reverse

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engineering integrated circuits and fiber optics and um you know uh integrated server when

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night vision goggles was the other claim but there's many other technologies that allegedly have

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been uh reverse engineering yeah how how put off speculates it was EMP and if I get him in here

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somehow I'd love to yeah get him to really expand upon that but just like yeah they're you know we

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we were fucking around with the MP or something and something in the physics of like

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yeah they're anti-gravity craft couldn't handle that and no I was very credible a theory you know

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be it radar or EMP or well you know uh uh uh uh uh uh electromagnetic radiation and weird I mean

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if you were to take a radar from 1947 and do a spectral analysis of it it would be extremely

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different then what's on the F-16 yeah uh it's operating today uh for sure yeah so it maybe

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something to do I'm who was an analog thing back then it's a digital thing now so it's it's a

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different thing so that that was the little sidebar on uh on why they why they crash so uh and

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then we try to shoot him down what Sam's and for um you know anti-aircraft fire or deliberate

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seeding of kindergarten planets is another thing you know hey we know how this this thing happens

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for a planet earth uh when they explode a nuke we have to dump some tech on them because when we do

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that then they focus more on education they try to figure out gravity control and they work hard

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they can't succeed um and they they advance their technological curve and they eventually uplift

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their society into a more stable environment that allows them to join galactic kindergarten

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you know I mean you're speculating so that's the scenario yeah it sounds interesting

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yeah because like hypothetically if we don't know if all this technology's hit in by intelligence

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and the private contractors working with them who are then yep by extension that therefore

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intelligence then we don't know if like they're working on all this and that's why you know these

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bombs haven't gone off we don't know if like in Russia which obviously has had political changes

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over time but like countries like Russia or China are working on that I guess it would make sense

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but you know you you bring up the nuclear point which always comes up and it always has to because it's

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it's it's pretty heavy like what I mean you think about it if it's if if that's the deal but

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you know my friend Jesse Michael's points out that a lot of the he was the guy was showing you

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right oh yeah I know Jesse yeah oh you know him personally uh I've talked to him on the phone

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a couple of times and traded emails you gotta do some you gotta do some content with him

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yeah I love to yeah I want to but yeah I'll talk to him but he he always mentions he's like

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when you're talking about the military guys on these nuclear bases who witnessed this stuff

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these are dudes who have to report if they took an ibuprofen in the morning so you're talking

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about like the most sober guys that exist in this country arguably and they're the ones who

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report to see these things and you know it gets weird when you start talking with Lulizando I

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I don't know have you have you heard his take on the nukes thing uh I remember I watched a little

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bit of his your interview with him yeah so he he does not necessarily think that the the potential

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aliens fucking with our nukes is benevolent he thinks it could be malevolent and I said why and

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I you know basically what he was getting into is they've been turning them on in addition to

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turning them off sometimes like they're showing us they go both ways and my retort to that would

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be isn't that to just kind of show us that like they can they're in control here and that they

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wanted they want to do this and therefore you know if they really wanted to set one off I mean

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like guys it's been 80 years they haven't done it yet like they could do it in a second if they

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have that power you know I agree totally I mean I think it's it's far more of your systems are

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weak and ineffective yeah we can turn them on and off you need to pay more attention you'd be very

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careful with these things you don't want to have an inadvertent issue and have them blow up or

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launch one and create a problem is I mean when we exploded in what July of 45 you know I believe

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that the ETs were still a cruise it around but the whole universe suddenly took notice oh my goodness

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this little kindergarten planet just got the nuke and we need to pay more attention to them

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they're on a trajectory it was an inflection point I mean this is sort of classic thinking about

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you know how the civilization unfolds yeah I used to have in my old studio my parents house

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I had a picture I have it out there but it's not in the studio where there were two pictures one was

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a an explosion test that bit kineatol oh yeah and then the other one below it was a redo of the

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cysteine chapel Adam and and God's hand but the hand of God is actually a robot hand and the reason

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I like this dichotomy because the bottom is what I get concerned about with like AI and things

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like that potentially like taken over our being and how we are that's that's scary to me and I think

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we need to not do that and the reason I had the bikini a toll on the top is because we drop these

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two bombs on Japan after getting after getting to this science in you know 1945 and in the

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almost 80 years now since then the world has had all these weapons and yes we've tested them

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in places like bikini a toll these tests happen in some respects you could say all the time

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from different countries but no one has ever used it on each other and the idea that in a world

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filled with insane egos dictators tyrants people who get into let's call what it is pissing matches

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with each other and just aren't afraid to you know play score and the score is how many bodies do

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your country lose versus mine the fact that we've never used that feels like some sort of

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divine intervention now could that just be wherever God is up there just somehow being like yeah

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listen I know that fucking a Putin guy is not great but like he's not gonna press the button

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you know or could it be you know some intervention from yeah it certainly could be but I'll tell

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you a story I heard from well secondhand from James Irwin who's an astronaut and he basically

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said though and he always up on the moon he had a vision given to him of four nukes going off

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in the Middle East and I just you know okay that's the sort of his input and and you look at today

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you know with what's going on with the way I think Apollo 11 12 whatever you was on the moon

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of James Irwin was one of the first astronauts a years ago yeah you know it's in the 60s

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and but I think he he wasn't any he told the story to several people including my friend Rick

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Burrume who told me and and I look today you know here we are in October 2nd of 2024 and

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the Middle East is could easily go a couple nukes and I think that might be the you know

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I hope it that doesn't happen but I think that it's probably gonna take one or two nukes going

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off and in hostility again to remind the earth that we need to get rid of them you you think that

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I just think it's a scenario that's they're they're planning for

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and the question is what what what happened what what scares me is the guys like the let's put a

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time period on it too but let's we'll expand that the guys like the Curtis lames of the world

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okay back then they believed in the 240 to 60 theory that's definitely not what they called it

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but I'm just using what were alleged to be their quotes behind the scenes which is that well if

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Russia hit us we'd lose 60 but we'd hit them and they'd lose 240 we win by 180 yeah right and so

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yeah we look at that during an era of people where you know they probably blew off a president's head

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but who's to say it it doesn't take more than a few people thinking like that right there can

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yeah there can be thousands of great people in the government and I have no doubt that there are

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and then you just have a few people in positions of power who just fucking suck and have that thought

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right yeah and then suddenly to your point maybe they put that into into practice if you will I mean

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what I thought was interesting was Irwin's comment that it was the Middle East and we're sitting

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there with a ran okay I find it impossible to believe that a ran hasn't purchased a suitcase

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nuke out of the you know vast missing stock pile of suitcase nukes from the the Russian government

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and that you know they have a few bombs and if they were to set one off there'd be a retaliation

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and people go well this is not a good idea anymore is it sort of you know you can you can see

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a limited exchange in my mind you know not that the US and Russia or other major powers we can

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involve so I I but you know as Robert Salis as often said you know there's 20,000 nukes on

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planet earth and you know if they go off it's you better be underground for a few decades yeah

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yeah it's just it is scary it is scary well it's it's to your point it's strange times we're

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living in right now especially it feels like a lot of the rest of the world is on the brink which

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means we're also on the brink because we're world power and by proxy everyone's involved in these

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different conflicts that are going on and whether it be in Ukraine or in the Middle East you know it's

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definitely it definitely makes you have to look at the simpler questions about you know us as a

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collective rather than us as these stories that we call borders right now with all these countries

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that that pretend to not be a part of of the of the same human race at the highest level of stuff

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and to me like the highest level stuff is oh don't nuke each other right you know and it's

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interesting you sort of philosophize on that I'll bring it back to the majestic documents there's a

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one of the only sort of think pieces in the majestic document trove is a memo written by

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Einstein Einstein and Oppenheimer and it's a four-page piece that's on the majestic documents.com

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website but it asks the question of are can you settle on planet earth can the ET settle on

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planet earth and his response are Einstein's words were to the effect of if planet earth is

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devoid of political unity they would have the right to colonize but not on traditional lines

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and and it goes on for a paragraph or so but I thought that was interesting in that you know

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ears Einstein being posed with this question of colonization of planet earth by alien species

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and what to do about it how to address it what to think about it and that's uh

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uh uh I thought it went to go to your what's your point absolutely and so and and that's that's

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the hard part about this conversation you know on one end of the spectrum you can get the guys like

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Neil deGrasse Tyson who say we're not interesting at all and they don't want to study us and sometimes

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Michoukaku who's been on this show will go there now he's obviously a lot more open on some of

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the other stuff but he'll be like would they really try to study a squirrel with a nut like we would

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my thought is maybe because like like sometimes I'll sit there let's use the squirrel example sometimes

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I'll sit there and there's a million squirrels outside right I don't sit there and watch most of them

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but one day a squirrel does some weird shit on like the telephone lines and I'm like oh wow

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you know what I mean so I used to say you don't get an alien once and a while I'm going oh wow

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look at well I can guarantee you that I could probably find five squirrel PhDs that specialize in

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nothing but squirrels and they the gray squirrel the brown squirrel all squirrels all squirrels

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around the world there's a huge body of literature on squirrels I suspect that there's probably more

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more literature on squirrels than there is on ufoology you might be right about that you know and uh

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so or other little four-legged creatures sure and so you know absolutely there's got to be an ET

[2:02:26 - 2:02:36] ▶

race that uh you know specializes in emerging planets like ours it's just interesting though

[2:02:37 - 2:02:44] ▶

looking at like what we view as say of the era the smartest person like an Einstein speculating

[2:02:44 - 2:02:49] ▶

on these things and obviously among us like he's so smart but even his ability to speculate is a

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human being bound here to earth having to try to put himself in the mindset of that which he

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doesn't know it's it's no different than than even trying to speculate what god thinks right

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something like that it gets really strange it's not to say like I don't want Einstein speculating

[2:03:05 - 2:03:10] ▶

on it if anyone's going to do it I want him doing it but like we we all of it is purely hypothetical

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in that way and and surely shallow yes and uh not as robust as the truth sure um so yeah I um

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um uh I find that the the Einstein uh Oppenheimer memo in in July 47 actually is June 47 I think

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it's written but um is a very interesting read on the majestic documents um website I mean one of

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the other thoughts that I we haven't really gotten into and and I'd love to talk a bit about

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is uh is the whole notion of what is the the the giant secret what is the government really

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controlling and hiding and it is gravity control and uh how do you manipulate gravity and

[2:04:00 - 2:04:10] ▶

this is fascinating me for the past nine months and I've been doing lots of research about it

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and there's very little mentioned in the majestic documents about gravity control of then

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you know this uh this is a description of a uh a uh a newtronic power plant in the majestic

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documents in the white tot report but it it doesn't really go into it's more of like how to create

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electricity or something like that um but there's clues everywhere about the nature of um gravity

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control in the sightings and instead of the crashes but there are surely any crashes but

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in the sightings where you have these um electrostatic wicks where you have a a craft and it's got

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you know cables hanging down with electrostatic balls on on the ends or long sort of sweeping

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um sort of a shark fin like thing that I think of the um the case in uh in in uh uh of Eddie

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Lackston in in uh temple uh Oklahoma where he uh this is an air force officer going to work um

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drives around the bend uh and sees a UFO sort of a teardrop UFO

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teardrop yeah it was like uh it's like 75 feet long it's it's more like stretched out like a

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stretched teardrop uh and actually uh my friend uh Michael Shrat uh you know has it in his

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his book let's see if I can pull up a picture of it um yeah like a like a digital rebrandering of it

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yeah exactly yeah exactly um sickoro 62 but oh oh you don't want

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sickoro no no I'm talking about um uh it's gonna set 60 must have missed that

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no you didn't 60 James Fox talked a lot about sickoro when he was in here episode 138 that one

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that one is uh ah yeah here we go that's fascinating yeah now this is uh this is uh

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Eddie Lackston so Eddie comes around the corner and sees a man in front of a craft uh and he gets

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out of his car walks over uh and the man sees him and gets back in his craft and and takes off

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but man a man a man with with a with a cap uh with English retters writing on it and uh and

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and numbers uh TL197 are written on the side of the craft and then here's this low hum

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going off and and he sees all the various the landing gear and this is an Air Force guy

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who says clearly this is a man-made craft that I saw man-made craft in 1966 and a very credible witness

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uh and this was reported to project blue book and another witness saw this craft fly away too

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but this is just one of many cases um that point to man-made UFOs and man-made craft yeah well

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and that's the thing that's that fascinates me is that I started to think well what

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what's the history here uh there's all sorts of newspaper articles in the mid-50s about gravity control

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uh and you you see that it's sort of there's a lot of activity in the 50s and then it's suddenly

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disappears in the 60s conveniently conveniently and so there's many cases where uh this long shark-like

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fin of the ecstatic wick or there's there's other the other cases uh in chula vista in um

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in northern california where this saucer with all these these hooks uh comes down and

[2:08:18 - 2:08:26] ▶

and all the static electricity and then the witness sees it fly over and hook on to a high

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tension power line and makes it go low red and then zips off and comes back and uh it it acts

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in a weird way that is um uh man-made and not ET you know ET doesn't need hooks and electrostatic

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hooks and none of that stuff so this is the giant secret as I think that in somewhere in the late 50s

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uh or early 60s that we figured out the equations for gravity control yeah see when you say we

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I need to I need to also possibly define that and stick on my little tinful hat right here

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back uh the good ol foyer requests of the government that have been released over the years

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but you talk about in the specifically like when we look at the 50s being where we figured it out

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a very interesting event happened in the 40s which you know about which was obviously World War 2

[2:09:25 - 2:09:30] ▶

and specifically there was another very interesting event right after World War 2 called Operation

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Paperclip where we took all these Nazis and we brought them over to america stuck them in hunts

[2:09:35 - 2:09:40] ▶

films and other places and said show us rockets and show us everything you got and I do wonder

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sometimes and and this is like in the back of my head a question it's like obviously most of these

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guys were just some of the worst war criminals ever and and drank the Kool-Aid and believed in

[2:09:51 - 2:09:57] ▶

like these psycho Nazi beliefs or whatever but I do wonder sometimes if the scientists as maybe as

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the war was waiting on had just enough humanity and and that is giving them the minimum amount of

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credit possible to say you know if they got figured out some crazy things with physics to say you know

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maybe this stash motherfucker shouldn't be the one in control of this right I do wonder that

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sometimes because you know you can look at it and realize warnaval brawn was the head engineer

[2:10:27 - 2:10:33] ▶

at NASA when we went to the moon and Nazi put us on the moon you know and that's that was very

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public too right so what's happening privately yeah well I mean and in the majestic documents there's

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many references to earn a stronghold and many other paperclip scientists that were involved in

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but yet anyway this there are many examples of

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craft that I think are man-made and

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and I and I think I'm one of the things that that really draws me in is the the comments of Ben

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Rich Ben Rich who was the head of Lockheed Skunkworks for 15 years Lockheed Skunkworks and in his

[2:11:11 - 2:11:19] ▶

retirement in 1993 at UCLA where it was his alma mater he he said on stage we have the technology to

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take ET home and it won't take a lifetime to do it he said we found a mistaken equations

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and figured out how to do it and when he says found a mistaken equations in my mind you know the

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ET's aren't giving you equations it's human beings that are giving you equations so then I'm

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trying to think of trying to understand you know what was the trajectory of the science going on

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and and it was Lockheed well it was Glenn Glenn L Martin company in the mid late 50s

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that before it became Martin Marietta which later became Lockheed Martin right so the Glenn

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L Martin company in 1950 started a group called the Raya group research institute advanced studies

[2:12:24 - 2:12:33] ▶

I believe and that's on the on Wikipedia and it was headed up by this guy George Trimble who is

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the archfill in Nick Cook's book the hunt for zero point I don't know if you ever interviewed Nick

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Cook you ought to interview him sometime I might Jesse Michaels just interview him in a recent podcast

[2:12:49 - 2:12:55] ▶

over in the UK I think I'm not gonna check that out I'm not gonna check that out yeah so so

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the point is that Trimble and his team put together this huge a-lister team of theoretical

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physicists theoretical mathematicians and worked for many years on cracking the code of gravity

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control from an intellectual point of view from a gravity control design and I think they succeeded

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you know 1960 plus or minus a year and that capability at that point the Glenn L Martin company

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in in 62 merged with Marietta and Marietta was doing all sorts of deep underground bases and

[2:13:39 - 2:13:50] ▶

underground facilities and nukes and things like that of power plants and so when those two companies

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merged that's when I think the secret government yes spawned that's the point at which

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the gravity control secret was figured out and went rogue or went proprietary or went offline

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oh yeah and and it gets gray area too oh yeah it's it's all speculation on my part but

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the the evidence so far are points that they have this incredible scientific brain trust

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it figures out gravity control equations and once you have the equations you can start to

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implement it and build technologies well this this was another thing that Lou talks about that

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has me thinking and wondering about how deep this goes he gets into the fact that these companies

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these private companies mean like they're not with the government were given these contracts

[2:14:50 - 2:14:55] ▶

decades ago for UFO crash retrievals just like how the government gives out defense contracts to

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companies like Lockheed Martin to you know help with weapons of war they give out contracts for

[2:15:03 - 2:15:09] ▶

a company like Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman to go in and basically be the men in black if you

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will when shit goes down and bring back the craft and be in charge of it which Lou points out

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gets weird when you then consider that they therefore these private companies have been given

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custody in this top secret program of these alleged alien crafts or not of this earth craft whatever

[2:15:28 - 2:15:35] ▶

you want to say to the point that they can come to the government and be like you're not read in

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on that so who it's it's like it's like it's like the clowns are in charge the prisoners are in

[2:15:41 - 2:15:46] ▶

charge of the asylum now right and who's really running the world is that is that the 1500 people that

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have these top secret are clearances instead of I mean QR so I think that the the secret

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management is is outside of government control if the president asks they ask well why do you

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want to know sir and he says well I think there's a threat to national security and the response is

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what there is yeah we we investigate it there's no threat you're not entitled to know

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and and even in one of the majestic documents they say on that on the change control page that

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not only do you have to have an authorized executive order from the president but you need approval

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of majestic security and intelligence command so to declassify stuff so I think it's a it's a

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combination of both there's probably classified law that says you know the president can ask for

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stuff but until it gets approved through these other channels that you can't know about it and so

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the president is somewhat in the dark but what's going on yeah you talk you used a term earlier

[2:17:01 - 2:17:07] ▶

that's been used on multiple podcasts I've recorded recently and it's nice to hear you you say

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where you talked about the compartmentalization of government yes and it's such a great point because

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you can I'm just going to use some names right now not literally but like as a figurative here you

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could have on one team within the government how put off in Jacques Follet who are both geniuses and

[2:17:26 - 2:17:33] ▶

know a lot about the physics of this stuff and maybe have been read in on some crazy shit over the

[2:17:33 - 2:17:38] ▶

years and then you could have another team of insanely great physicists day and insanely great

[2:17:38 - 2:17:45] ▶

physicists be and they're working on something entirely different and the two they know they exist

[2:17:45 - 2:17:51] ▶

but they don't know that they're working on these respective programs for the government and one

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is a total you know moated area of research and the other ones a total moated area of research

[2:17:56 - 2:18:03] ▶

and then things don't get shared but there's some sort of not not to be sinister about it but like

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just for the imagery here there's some sort of puppet master above them and it's a very small group

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or a person who is like charged with being the only person to know that these two things exist

[2:18:16 - 2:18:24] ▶

but he's another cog that knows these two things exist and there's someone else over here who

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knows only you see what I'm saying absolutely yeah continuous exponential curve of secrecy

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and that's that's how they do it I agree totally you know you know there's skiffs and then

[2:18:34 - 2:18:42] ▶

there's other types of skiffs other types of skiffs well I'm even going to your other guests highlighted

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that was a special type of a skiff within a skiff and one of my friends at Air Force

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Office of Special Investigation said that there was there's something called CIA level seven

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which is apparently where the alien discussions happen I don't know I'm just repeating what he

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told me but he wrote it in his book called meridian which is it's a fiction but it's a very fun

[2:19:11 - 2:19:18] ▶

book it involves it involves aliens and an interesting story but there's all sorts of levels of

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classification and there's I think that the classifications for the intelligence community

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are different than the atomic energy commission if you have a top secret SCI clearance that's a

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different animal than if you have an atomic energy commission Q clearance or our clearance

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uh and so those are um different different worlds and they may not mix uh what do they might

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what what did your dad or or even Stan and Freeman have to say theorize either based on speculation

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or on even some intel maybe they had received on which companies or yeah like which companies were

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involved with the crash retrievals and what they may or may not be working on that's a really

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broad question yeah um well I think it's the usual suspects I mean if you're saying who has the

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gravity control secret today worked on it I would say the aerospace corporation nonprofit in Pasadena

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would say the Carlisle group which owns eG&G which runs a lot of operations out to area 51

[2:20:30 - 2:20:37] ▶

you would think of Northrop Grumman with their efforts you think certainly of Lockheed Martin

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uh Skunkworks or some spin-off of that organization the Raytheon potentially there's there's class

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classified pockets everywhere that may be working on different parts of the reverse engineering

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situation but you know knowing what the saucer skin does uh I don't really care I mean the saucer

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skin saucer skin I mean I don't really care you know the subtle aspects of a particular crash saucer

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are sort of ancillary am I mind the the jewel the crown jewel is propulsion it's the gravity control

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that's the thing that is the the holy grail the secret that they're guarding uh endlessly

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and that's the thing that's been uh figured out in my mind and that they uh they're protecting

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and hiding uh and there's a very limited number of people that know what that is and how that works

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and so that's sort of my perspective on uh the the technology situation for crash hardware and UFO parts

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what did you think of I mean you mentioned him earlier but when when Dave Grush came out and went

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public with this which does then involve a former retrieval we'll get to that it was the magenta

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case and everything but when he comes out and says I mean I guess just for context right now comes

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out and says something like you know this case in 1933 was in magenta italy and it involved a

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crash UFO magenta is just outside of Milan and at the time you had fascist leader Benito Mussolini

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in charge of the country he sends in a renowned scientist Marconi yeah Marconi and some other people

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and they get this out of there allegedly Benito thought that this could have been some sort of

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crazy weapon emanating from Germany or England or one of the countries but they store it somewhere

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I want to say in Lumberty but fact check me in the comments on that and whatever it was stored it

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was somewhere else in in italy and when the United States later invaded Italy with the Allied forces

[2:22:58 - 2:23:07] ▶

in the forties somehow they were able to as they took control of the country get possession of

[2:23:07 - 2:23:13] ▶

this craft and take it back which is what David Grush said you know with some of the evidence he

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had access to yeah you've covered the minute the magenta case long before David Grush came actually

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it wasn't in my first book I mean it was it was Grush's testimony that made me sort of pull that one

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out and I think there was some Italian researchers that did a lot of work around that case what I

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find interesting about it is that if it really happened in 33 and I'm sure it did that no doubt it

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went to Nazi Germany this Italy and Germany were aligned as Axis in the in the war and so I suspect

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that Hitler and his team of scientists were all over it trying to figure out how it worked or

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where it worked and the Allies may have recovered it from Germany rather than Italy per se

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but I'm just sort of speculating I don't have any data and then there's all sorts of

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comments or beliefs that the Germans you know the Nazi bell and all so forth had

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and some sort of gravity control and had craft I have a lot of reserved judgment about that I

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don't I'm I'm pretty skeptical that the Nazi Germany had flying saucers and you know went to Antarctica

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and all that yeah I'm I want more evidence that's definitely in my my neutral basket

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so I mean the 33 thing was great and I applaud Grush for you know kicking me in the pants so to speak

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by showing up in front of Congress and saying and we have crash retrievals and I know I was like

[2:25:03 - 2:25:09] ▶

18 years ahead of time I was saying crash retrieval scratch retrievals and and before me was

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Leonard Stringfield oh yeah Leonard Stringfield did a lot of you know aka Webster he was an

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Air Force guy too he was an Air Force guy with photographic memory had all these great connections

[2:25:22 - 2:25:28] ▶

I think some disinformation was probably fed to him but he did a great job of

[2:25:28 - 2:25:36] ▶

investigating and collating all sorts of material and information about crash triophos and

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and I I leveraged his work all his work is in my book as well yeah I mean this various cases and

[2:25:45 - 2:25:51] ▶

didn't he have like a experience himself I don't remember yeah I can't remember the details

[2:25:52 - 2:25:59] ▶

that either but it was it's fascinating they're like a guy who was then that prolific and the space

[2:25:59 - 2:26:04] ▶

came from the Air Force where yeah and it happens he was an intelligent guy and he was very skilled at it

[2:26:04 - 2:26:12] ▶

I talked to his wife you know once on the phone and he allegedly has all these files primary source

[2:26:14 - 2:26:21] ▶

files that have sort of disappeared so that's been part of the the challenge of his material although

[2:26:21 - 2:26:32] ▶

many of his secretarial office files are all at MuFon headquarters the Mutual Dufone Network

[2:26:32 - 2:26:39] ▶

and Michael Shrat has gone through them he he wrote did this great book dark files where it has

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a pictorial discussions of all sorts of various cases from Lonnie Zamora to other crash events as

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well as sightings of man-made craft so that that's the there's lots of great investigators that

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are doing good work right now pushing pushing the needle forward do you when when you look at some

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of that World War II stuff and what and what Hitler may have been studying do you think any of that

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has tied to those food fighters you know the food fighters I don't I don't think so I think the

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food fighters were the real phenomenon that people were observing but I'm just sort of that's

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my perspective at this juncture if I had good data one way the other it'd be interesting

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yeah that one that one fascinates me yeah because they were seen by so many so many pilots

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allegedly well I mean there's there's lights in the sky I mean there's the flying triangles and

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Belgium in 89 and there's all sorts of great cases everywhere for but you know did the Nazis

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succeed in gravity control I just don't know did they succeed I mean were they the best

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brain trust on planet earth at the time you bet did they paperclip was yeah absolutely gigantic

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and huge for our progress as a country it's great and you know there's a there's an interesting

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guy with an even Todd Ritter a Todd Ritter dot org he's speaks for German but he investigates

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science and technology for basically German science and technology and particularly historically

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one he'd be a fun podcast he's done some good podcasts himself all about

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Nazi technology and that sounds fun yeah it does and you know he basically found some documents that

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said no no you know superconductivity was not discovered by a couple of guys that are on Wikipedia

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in the 80s he's got German documents that basically show that the describes superconductivity

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back in the 40s that's fucking scary exactly so he has some tremendous

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but you know he's a primary source historian he has a 5,000 page

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treatise on German technology PDF on the web and he just does Todd Ritter dot org or a writer

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institute something that effect yeah he's he's he's he lives up in I think I want to say like

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Massachusetts okay dangerously close is dangerously close right yeah exactly so he's a very interesting

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source do you have you looked at or talk with people who might be in the know around anything that

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they're doing at DARPA and how that may relate to reverse engineering that wood tie into some of

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these companies we talked about like La Kee and Northrop and things like that well the one

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recent thing that came up in my gravity control investigation was a guy with the name of Brandon

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Berg Dr. Brandon Berg who got a $200,000 DARPA contract for gravity control

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he was tasked with just doing a theoretical paper and report no experiments but he had also

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for 200 grand 200 grand I'll write a paper yeah well I mean I don't know what it involved or what

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the scope of the contract was but he also claimed to have done some experiments before showing

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a 7% reduction in gravity in his experiments but at the same time that's the only DARPA mention

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that I can recall 7% doesn't account account for the fact that these these cases like Eddie Langston's

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where you got something the size of a desk that can lift two or three thousand kilograms

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and so you need of something that's substantial you know there's also these NASA guys that are doing

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electrostatics or various manipulations of gravity that are all in the margin it's like

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well I got like a 10th of 1% lift or something small or the work of Podglenoff and

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Ning Lee at Huntsville Alabama Tim Ventura and his his work with the APEC group

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he might be a fun podcast to talk the APEC group yeah APEC if you type in APEC

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yeah advance propulsion but Tim Tim Ventura runs a whole organization 100 people or so

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that is focused loosely knit on gravity control and propulsion yeah yeah so they do a variety

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of work on various scientists that are focused on gravity analysis and gravity work and that's

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that's something that you could explore and look at it's yeah I'm not gonna check that out I've

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never heard of that yeah there he's really good he's a former venture capitalist physicist

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he's he'd be great interview okay off to look into him yeah a lot of these I mean pretty much

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all the cases we've talked about today and a lot of cases you cover in your book are our land base

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right so it's where they crash somewhere or are seen very clearly somewhere overland but there's

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also this whole discussion about what's going on with potential transmidiome UFOs ones that operate

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in air and in water obviously we've we've that even came in when you talk about like the 2004

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tapes like oh where those tic tacs come from they come from the sea maybe but have you is there

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evidence of like any weird UFO I don't know crashes or something or or mouth functions that occur

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like on the water um I think the um not predominantly I think the Murray Island case was there's a

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I think there's one case in the book where that's it's a craft that goes into the water that they

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recover as well as there's the uh could I have your book oh yeah yeah yeah by all means there's

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another there's another case shag harbour shag harbour Nova Scotia where the craft goes into the water

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and they recover it from the water so these are you know this is a lake rather than

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um I mean the undersea underwater recruit I mean I heard a story of the Howard Hughes's

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Globe Explorer being also used to recover crashed UFOs I think that

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Dolan may put that in his book when he he comes out with that so

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uh

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it's not most of them are land based and I over selected really for uh US and UK and a little bit

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in in Europe I don't have good visibility into Russia or China or Africa so it was 104

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if I was to really gas as to how many crashes there been on the planet I would probably go up into

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the 200s range yeah just uh just based on statistics it seems to be a total global phenomenon

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um I think there's one in Australia as well yeah yeah 1966 yeah yeah so there's a lot uh

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it's out there but again okay so we got crashed hardware the river's engineering it now what

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what how are we gonna change the planet how are we gonna really advance the cause I mean

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you want to do something good with it yeah I mean I close my talks um typically with um

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you know so so now what now now how how can we make a difference how how can you

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uh how can you show leadership and advance the cause um what can your readers and audience um

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do to advance um the hope of planet earth and or the

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the nature of of ufology or or wherever their passion is and to think about that uh be it

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acting or our funding or investigating uh crashes there's plenty of crashes to investigate

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all over the world so that that's the challenge is how do you channel the all these desperate

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organ uh desperate you know disparate excuse me yes organizations around the world from

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mufon or qfos or solo group or all the podcasters or everybody trying to advance the cause and do

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things forward um how do you get a more organized cohesive strategic plan put together to

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to execute against uh the government which is you know a highly funded militarized top-down

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organization uh that's that's highly effective at what they're doing and you're going to need to

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have stunning leadership and a lot of money to be able to push the needle and pull the secret out

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and and the secret is really either it's either fusion gravity control or somehow tapping the

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zero-point energy to give me unlimited electricity in a box what's what's the government's incentive

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to tell us about that information though well that's that's a great question and it's one of the

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ones I posed in the aiu phologist and the answer is none I mean very little uh you know they want

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to keep it secret they don't want to disrupt the apple cart there's a lot of um uh change that would

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happen that if you had these technologies come out and come forward and you know just take one

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example for example if you start eliminating hydrocarbon usage because you can you know cars have

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electric motors in them now if you just uh have free electricity um you can now change the whole

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transportation structure or or airplanes you can start using their gravity control or if you have

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a fusion reactor and electricity you can now fly without petrochemicals so if suddenly the value

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of all Middle East oil goes down by 80 percent in a decade let's say uh that changes the geopolitical

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environment it changes society it changes technology it advances the cause uh all these things are

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I think inevitable it's just the question of timeline and uh how it gets launched on the world

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well and and that's that's the other problem it's like I want to know right you want to know

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can everyone out there listening wants to know if there's a there there and and what that is

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but you know if these governments and I won't just put our own in this I'll put other powerful

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governments around the world maybe on a topic like this it's possible they're working in concert

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in some ways even if you know diplomatically their enemies you know if if they really did know the truth

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that the men in black truth if you will and they could simulate how this would affect society on

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mass scale if they release this to people and that simulation showed it was going to be the

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fucking purge out here then in that what I don't want to do at that yeah and but that's the thing

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the and this isn't to like be a bootlicker but like that's where I go damn I guess they'd be right

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to not release it then you know and it makes it so confusing yeah I think every year they make a

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list of uh do we disclose do we not disclose and the list for not disclosing is always a little

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longer and and what we've seen over the past a few decades is titration and minimal disclosure

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I mean the Hollywood trajectory has changed and you know far more movies and better response to

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ET's I mean the messages from the ET's tend to be you know clean up your environment get rid of

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your nukes and have more compassion for your fellow man so there's messages that are coming through

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and that's the the trajectory of information from from them

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and disclosing is is going to be a slow process if we leave it to them

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they will I mean you could think of Russia's almost a trial balloon

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and you know what happens if we give Congress a little nibble at the truth

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you know okay they did one hearing well they didn't do anything else yeah you know

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did they write any good laws no not yet maybe then maybe Danishian Danishian I think is working

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on a new law yeah yeah yeah so there's progress being made uh and they're trying to bring

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society along slowly and inching forward um but uh you know it's only it's only if we drag it

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kicking and screaming out of them I mean I can't believe that you know China's not sitting there

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stupidly they are working hard on fusion they are working they're hard at working hard on fusion

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more than anybody else in the world uh by can I explain fusion of fusion sure uh nuclear fusion

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how you take either a lithium and protons and make an anotronic fusion or a deuterium

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attridium it's a method of making electricity that's different it's it's not a light water and

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nuclear reactor like a three mile island or diabolican in or Chernobyl it's a it's a method it's a

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different way of doing fusion uh so the fusion is one path forward um so I lost my train

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I thought there but uh you were talking about how China's working China yes China so the the

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the biggest effort on fusion in the world right now is China by a factor of about three x

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then comes the united kingdom and then comes america and then comes uh europe and japan

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where what's this third place bullshit well that's right this well exactly the uk is uh

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I was putting billions of dollars in investment in fusion efforts and trying to do that but fundamentally

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traditional hot fusion is is doomed because it's not doomed but it's still $50 a megawatt hour which

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is basically the same price of electricity as it is today uh and until you can make electricity

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substantially cheaper you know 10 x 100 x you can't really help africa or help right uh the rest

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of the world come out of this resource deprivation in food and water and resources and uh basically uplift

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the majority of the population but China China's pushing hard on gravity control I mean I'm sure they are

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and they may figure it out ahead of time or get caught up and pretty soon it's going to be

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you know chishin ping could decide did it's close to truth about UFOs

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he could he could he could yeah I don't know and uh and I think that the uh you know that this goes to

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this nefarious or weird mode where well it's just some sort of uh cooperation global cooperation

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amongst uh things that um uh some Israeli officers uh have said exists and this really

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officers yeah I think there's uh there was a general uh um what I say um I can't remember his name

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can we google this israel israeli officers global UFO yeah disclosure team team yeah

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uh uh uh uh hummode uh uh uh i'm on emid something like that it's in my new book uh UFOs who knows

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former israeli space security chief uh yeah okay yeah yeah all right let's click this from NBC news

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former israeli space security chief says extraterrestrials exist and trump knows about it a galactic

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federation there you go that's waiting for humans to reach a stage where we will understand what

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space and spaceships are haim ashed said a former israeli space security chief has sent ibrals

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shooting heavenward by saying the earthlings have been in contact with extraterrestrials

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extraterrestrials from a quote galactic federation on quote quote the unidentified flying objects have

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asked not to publish that they are here humanity is not ready yet haim ashed a former head of

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israel's defense ministry space directorate told israel's yetiat al-Ranat sorry if i fucked that

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newspaper the interview in hebran on friday and gain traction after parts were published in

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english by the jr. zlm post on toosday a respected professor and retired general ashed said

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the aliens were equally curious about humanity and we're seeking to understand quote the fabric of

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the universe let's go down on quote i'm gonna keep reading this uh a little bit a little more ashed

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said cooperation agreements have been signed between species holy shit including an underground

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base in the depths of mars where there are american astronauts and alien representatives how

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much weed did this guy smoke there's an there's an agreement between the us government and the aliens

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they signed a contract with us to do experiments here he said ashed added that president

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dial trump was aware of the extraterrestrials existence and had been on the verge of revealing

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and had been on the verge of revealing information but was as not to an order to prevent mass hysteria

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what is this mess hysteria they've been waiting until today for humanity to develop and reach a

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stage where we will understand in general what space and spaceships are ashed said referring to

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the galactic federation the white house in israeli officials did not immediately respond to

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mbc news is requests for comment sue go a spokesperson for the pentagon decline the comment

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yeah well that's yeah there you go i mean i mean i was just spitting yeah so that uh

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i think that's basically all correct you think so you think the american astronauts are with aliens

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on a base on mars where yeah that claims we can't get yet uh i think there's out this is one piece

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of evidence to support that theory and if if you take the other piece of evidence that there's gravity

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control we certainly can get there easily and we we could do that and the fact that it's you know

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this is a high-ranking military officer in the israeli force and then other evidence associated

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with uh treaties and the isenhower i mean uh there's a book uh bitten by Paul Smith uh called uh i

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think isenhower where he um he talks about this treaty and the evidence for this treaty that was

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executed at 52 yeah and so uh that sort of sums it up in my mind you know we we realistically

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is a credible possibility that we have gravity control craft we have a base on mars and that

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this military officer and many others have the same thing as anyone corroborated what he said there

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uh some big-ass claims right there well that's a great question i have not investigated it uh

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but certainly pieces of it are supported by other evidence you know uh you know i was talking

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by gravity control and and craft you know so if you can if you got gravity control you can certainly

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go to mars and you know there's uh um you know they haven't read elan on the uh the secret

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allegedly i mean look is that a cover story i mean if von Braun knew about uh gravity control

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what he've done the entire saturn five moon program it was just like this giant yeah it was on

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this trajectory and just went i you know it's just floors me that it was all that waste of treasure

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and resources and man and life uh for something that was just a cover story bullshit

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you know i mean i i wonder i wonder if some of these some of these guys if they knew

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if they would even be able to talk about it like like i mean like emotionally because it's so

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heavy i mean it it look science and religion have always been

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paired off against each other throughout history but they're both seeking the same thing

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they're both secretly seeking a full understanding of the physical reality around us and what

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makes that right so to me it's like a great tragedy that like you know they've been convinced

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to to be a part throughout history but you know guy like you who looks at all this stuff

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and it's done so for decades and decades your dad did as well like what do you think like do you

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believe that there's a god above all this or yeah that's so great uh yeah we're all god's children

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as sort of my attitude is yeah so i'm generally i don't go to church i'm sort of a atheist but i

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certainly believe there's a god um i might say that you're agnostic yeah i'd say for the most part

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um i mean you you could go into uh jesus and mohamid and all these people are basically alien

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clones designed to uh and and i'd say that's a credible theory uh so

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there was something in the water out there something in the water uh but you bring up an interesting

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point of how religions think about this and in my final uh effort or or not final effort but

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recent effort i was gonna say on your way out no no i got something was that uh yeah uh my

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recent effort is on improving the credibility of ufology and in doing that i tried to create a

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a new book called ufos who knows which is um this is this is an old preprint um but it's on the

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web it's on amazon you can bring it up ufos who knows it's a book of famous quotes including

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the one we just saw from this really uh so i see a lot of faces i see tom cruise i see

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Carl Sagan i see jay adger hoover i see brown of Reagan yeah is that Paul no it's not Paul

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poker yeah sure mean court i mean yeah who's who on here right well the thing that we did uh we

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i did it with the anthley dill Lorenzo um we added uh ten or ten or twelve different religious leaders

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and their perspective on ufology and religious scholars from multiple religions and that was um

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to your earlier point about religion and god but i chose this book ufos who knows as a way to

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give many people access to ufology in a new way so if you're believe in religious scholars or

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religious leaders you can read the quotes about that you can uh you could look at scientists and

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engineers you could look at presidents you can look at astronauts you can look at uh congressman

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and generals uh so you and a lot of celebrities have said a lot of um you know i've been abducted

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by aliens or uh yeah i saw one uh demilivato uh comments so there's all these different 185

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quotes from various people all about you know it's a it's a picture it's a quotation

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of what they said and so somewhat some of Ben riches in there some of them are very salient and

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and prophetic and some are um are less so but they all have a fair degree of credibility associated

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with their names well if one of them if one of them is actually right and all the others are

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wrong it's interesting amen yeah yeah so i find that that that was my attempt to gain more

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credibility in the field if you can slide this book across to any skeptic and say well what do you

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think about all these quotes from these various people um you know i'm reminded of their typical

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refrain if uh you know i've never met an informed skeptic um and so that's that's the thing is

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that people are skeptical well how many books have you read about ufos and and and and i think it

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works both ways oh yeah you know it did pendulum balances each other but yeah listen you obviously

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you've done a lot of research on this there's a lot of books but we're gonna put the links down

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the description to match guys only the AI you follow just and any other work and put your website

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in everything oh yeah ufodex all you fodex.com yeah ufodex is really fun and that uh you can ask any

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question you want in AI spits it out all referenced with my AI um or or uphilogical

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mind implant so to speak into AI so it's not just the general large language models it's i've created

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this this uphilogical implant into its brain so to speak uphilogical that's that that's that's

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the shifts kiss right there Ryan this have been awesome thanks so much for coming out here to do it

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and uh thanks for sharing all all the work done thank you Julian for your work and your efforts

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