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What do you think that was at Roswell? What do you think crashed?
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I can tell you precisely what crashed.
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Why it crashed, I can't tell you.
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It was a device containing three entities,
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which were part of the device essentially.
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They were biological entities.
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And supposedly, one of them was still alive
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when it was brought to right.
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But General Exan didn't say anything about that.
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The only thing, and he didn't tell me this directly,
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told me, told one of my relatives this,
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that he had held one in his arms, and it was like a big insect.
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That was this precise description.
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My uncle said that he didn't refer to the bodies.
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He referred only to the debris and the object,
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which he said was somewhat intact.
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And so they had from Roswell partially intact object
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and some debris and bodies.
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Three bodies. Three bodies.
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And Walter Hout, who was the press officer
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at the Army Air Base in Roswell,
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left an affidavit, which was published by his family
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after he died, describing all of this in the bodies
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and so forth in great detail.
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And he said to me, I went out to Roswell to talk to him.
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He said he wouldn't talk about the bodies.
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I asked him, point blank, were there bodies?
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And he was simply silent.
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He wouldn't say yes, he wouldn't say no.
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Because he didn't like to lie.
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He was a very straight up guy, straight ahead guy, Walt was.
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And so he left this, this is as much as he could do.
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And Colonel Jesse Marcel left a videotape
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with thanks to Stanton Friedman,
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where he describes in detail the debris that he found
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and brought in to his home in his station wagon
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with his little boy, who Dr. Marcel passed away
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just a couple of years ago, who had tested to this story also.
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Have you ever heard Annie Jacobson's account of this crash?
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I don't think it's correct, yes, I do know it very well.
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It seems really compelling.
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I know a lot of people aren't a fan of that theory,
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but it's interesting that she's the only one
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that talks about it and no one else seems to appreciate it
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or take it seriously at all.
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You think the guy who told her, essentially for people
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that are listening, there's Annie Jacobson wrote in her book,
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Area 51, that there was an engineer
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of a private aerospace company or something like that
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who was working in Arizona or Nevada,
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who told Annie under anonymity
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that the device that crashed in Roswell
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was a Wright brothers or something engineered craft,
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like some sort of human-made flying saucer
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with children that were surgically manipulated
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to look like aliens from the Nazi Mingele or Mingle,
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Yeah, I know the story, but go ahead and tell it.
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It's because I'm so people who aren't familiar with it.
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And essentially Stalin sent the craft over here,
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remote controlled it over here and crashed it
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with these children, these Russian children
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that were deformed by this Nazi to so chaos
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within the United States.
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Okay, I can tell you a lot about that
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and where that comes from.
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And let me just finish the end of it.
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Steven, you could probably find his name
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if you just Google Annie Jacobson, engineer Roswell.
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I find out who his name actually was.
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She actually talked about it on Lex's podcast,
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Lex Friedman podcast recently.
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And she asked him later, she goes,
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why wouldn't you make this public?
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Why is this such a big secret?
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Why are you waiting until you're essentially
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on your deathbed to tell me this?
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Why didn't you guys sit?
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Because if you guys were to let the public know
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when this happened, it would not hurt
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the image of America.
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It would hurt the image of Russia
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because it makes them look like, you know, sickos.
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It makes them look like sinister people.
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The fact that they would do something like this.
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And his response to Annie was because we started
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doing the same thing as soon as we found what they did.
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As soon as we found out that they were altering children
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and doing this stuff in Roswell or in Russia,
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we started experimenting with the same thing.
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And we know that in the, I think it was the 70s and 80s
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that there was projects going on on the East Coast
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of the United States where they were injecting children
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with plutonium and all kinds of, you know, nuclear material
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I think Bill Clinton shut it down in like the early 90s.
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I don't know anything about that.
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And therefore I can't speak of it.
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But what I can speak of is, oh, this is what I do know.
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I'll circle back for a moment to General Exyn and my uncle.
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After I, before I published Communion,
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I knew nothing about General Exyn
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and I knew nothing about my uncle's work in the Air Force.
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Nothing, nobody in the family did.
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I knew one thing about it, one thing,
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which was that he'd seen when this,
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they blew off a gigantic hydrogen bomb the Russians did.
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And I happened to be staying at an aunt and uncle's house
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in Washington at the time with a friend.
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And suddenly my uncle shows up,
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the aunt and uncle were on vacation in Spain.
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And he told me, I asked him because I knew
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he was an intelligence officer.
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I just didn't know what he did.
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And I said, what do you think of this massive H bomb
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that went off, they blew off in Russia?
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He said, oh, I saw it.
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It's the size of a football field.
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And I thought he saw it.
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And I said, when did you see it?
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He just laughed and didn't say anything more.
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So he was in, you know, in other words,
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he was deep in this intel,
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in Air Force intelligence, apparently.
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Now, after Communion was published,
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he suddenly telephoned me.
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At this point, he's in retirement,
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at retirement village in Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.
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Says, Woody, I want you to come down.
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I've got some things I would like to talk about
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that have to do with your book.
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And I thought, I hung up and I said to Anne, my wife,
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I said, Mickey's going to talk to me about my buck
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and you believe this.
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And so I go down and he, he, he, in his wife
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and me and Anne have a lunch.
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And he talks about the debris
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and the object as he put it.
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He, I, I, I didn't ask him directly about bodies
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because it didn't occur to me at the time.
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I was just, I hadn't done much.
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I hadn't been to Roswell yet, for example.
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And, uh, I know I had been to Roswell,
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but I had, in any case, it didn't, the bodies didn't come up.
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Uh, he, I, he, he may have alluded to him.
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I've never been sure.
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I'm trying to remember if I,
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I, you know, I always say that I,
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he didn't say anything about the bodies.
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And I don't think, I don't think I asked him anything about them directly.
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Uh, I did ask General Exan about them.
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And he said that he and General Exan had worked on this project.
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It, it, it, it, right pat at right field at the time.
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And air material under general twining.
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And, um, who was the head of air material at the, at the time.
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And he told me about the debris.
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And I, as I say, I think he alluded to the bodies, may not have.
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And he introduced me to General Exan, who I talked to on the phone a number of times,
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who told me a great deal about the whole thing more than, he knew more than much more than Mickey did,
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because he'd been a higher level officer at the time.
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I think Mickey was a major and he was a colonel at the time.
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And, um, General Exan said, and I'm quoting him.
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And he's been quoted in, in, in a, in an unfortunate interview, public interview that's in a book by, uh,
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uh, uh, Don Schmidt and, uh, uh, uh, Randalls and Schmidt, this, uh, that, uh, everyone from Truman on down,
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as he put it, knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it.
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Now, let's go back to the story of the alter children.
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And by the way, just a quick aside, the guy's name is Alfredo Donald.
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That's the, and he was an EG and G engineer.
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This is the guy who told me, EG wrote Trump.
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So, so, uh, can you copy and paste his name into a new tab so we can get some more background on that guy?
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So, this is where that, I think that story comes from.
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Immediately, here is the situation, the world situation as it stood at that time.
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Stalin has four and a half million soldiers fully equipped largely with top, not American equipment on the,
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what is now being called, beginning to be called the Iron Curtain Line.
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NATO, or rather the Allies, allies are telling Churchill and, uh, I guess, the Gaul and, uh, Truman, that this army can move across Western Europe in six weeks.
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And in all probability, we'll be able to successfully invade England because the West has demobilized and they have not.
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So, what is preventing them? Why don't they do it?
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There's one thing on the planet that's preventing them.
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It is the 509th bomb wing at Roswell, which is believed to be equipped with nuclear weapons.
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And can deliver them to Russia and Stalin knows that his radars and his anti-aircraft systems are not sufficiently robust to guarantee that all of the planes will be destroyed.
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So, the biggest secret on the planet, upon which the hinge of door of history is hinged, is that bomb wing right there at Roswell, right?
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Do they really have the bombs or not?
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Is it, what is the situation?
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I was told by somebody who was, it was at the base and he was an older man and I don't remember his name.
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I'm not in the business of not saying names, by the way. I try to say all the names I can remember.
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This is a guy who, he told me that they did not have all of the planes, only a couple of the planes had, were actually operational at that time.
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And the result of this was the immediate thought when they found, they drew and wreckage 30 miles north of Roswell and apparent balloon, the fear was that he had sensitive equipment on there that could have detected the level of radiation coming from the base if he got near enough and determined from that.
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Whether or not there were really bombs on the base and this caused a tremendous upset. That's why when the disc story was being disseminated by Walter Hought, it was suddenly killed by the Pentagon because they, they weren't afraid of aliens.
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They'd never even heard, understand, in those days that idea was not something people thought about. People from another planet, we don't even, I mean maybe they'd think we were from Mars or something.
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They had no information, nothing like what we have now about outer space. So their immediate thought was these were people, these were Russians and because they were small, the assumption was they were children.
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And then the cover story was the story that they were altered children.
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Yeah, but that was never the story about them being altered children was never released into the public official.
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No, no, but it went all over the Air Force.
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Went all over the Air Force because my uncle mentioned it. He said that that was the story that was told in the Air Force.
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That that was what was told.
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And because he was definite, no, it, art was definite about the bodies. He said they were not human at all.
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And in fact, well, I know they weren't human. I'm quite certain of it. And you know for a fact, pretty much.
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You know, it'll all come out.
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