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I think, oh my god, I have a shotgun under the bed and a pistol in the side table. I'm from Texas and I'm gonna be gunned up at all times.
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At some point I was standing in front of the bookstore and that book just stood out for me and it was something about seeing the eyes again, almost created like a moan of regression.
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It might be that this is a time right now where we have to be very careful about preserving our dominion of our reality.
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There's something in your body that you beneath is an implant that feel like, right here. Can we see it?
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You touch it. I don't, you touch it if you want to.
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If you like two years I can give you a CT scan over the ground. Is it okay? Is it weird if I touch it? Is it okay?
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Oh, it's fine. But I feel like it might be a little hot because it's been working two, three years ago.
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Two, three years ago if you had, if you had told someone, go ahead, touch it. Don't be scared.
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Oh, go ahead. Wait, here, here. I'm kinda scared.
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It's right under my finger now.
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Different parts of the brain have different activities.
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You know that, don't you?
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I love you when I hear you. Maybe you should interview me.
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We are here with the legendary Whitley Streiber outside of writing, maybe the archetypal alien abduction book,
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Communion in 1987, which sold an incredible amount of copies, inspired a Christopher Walken movie,
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and has started all sorts of mythological lore and really made it acceptable for other direct experiences to come out,
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along with doing so many other things. I mean, I literally just bought a book by Stanton Friedman called Top Secret.
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It's about the Majestic 12. You wrote the forward to it.
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You seem to pop up everywhere.
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Also joined by the amazing Mark A. Marcan deal who is the number one supporter of American Alchemy.
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He is one third or one fourth of Yes Theory, Founder of Yes Theory, and I'm always so honored to be graced by his presence at our very small humble operation.
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It's my favorite operation on YouTube, that's what I'm sure.
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It's always an honor to just do this together and meet all the amazing people that you just brought into my life over the past three years.
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Appreciate you, man. Well, you've been really pushing me to do this.
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You and Whitley met. We all met actually at the Soul Conference. We got lunch before that, but we reconvened at the Soul Conference,
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which is held by Gary Nolan at Stanford last year.
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You guys really hit it off. Since then, he got to interview Whitley.
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I'm glad you're doing it.
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Adding to Jesse's intro and even emphasizing the title legendary.
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I mean, I put this on. It's my first time wearing it.
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I think about this figure, our modern depiction of the grace and how much that was massively influenced by you and the book and communion,
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you being able to have the sketch. You so accurate that it just awakened something in millions of years.
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It was the eyes mainly that awaken something in people.
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I have to say though, if they finally land and come out and they don't look like that, I will experience the most profound embarrassment in human history in my opinion.
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Because you think that they will look slightly different.
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No, I don't think they'll look different. I think that I think that they're not going to look exactly the cover, but they're going to have those big guys.
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You're irresponsible for the emoji we all use.
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No, and it's been such a theme over the past four years of looking into this topic and meeting people with Jesse and without Jesse.
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I honestly come back to in the 90s at some point, I was standing in front of a bookstore and that book just stood up for me and something about seeing the eyes again that almost created like a moment of regression or so many experience.
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I almost reflect now, this is the end of 2024. The entire country seems to be talking about drones and UFOs.
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It's like the most in the zeitgeist that's been in my lifetime.
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I think about the other moment before the 2000 where that happened was when communion came out.
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Right, but there's a significant difference between the two times because when communion came out is very interesting.
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I was told a publication date and then all of a sudden the books were in bookstores.
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And my editor was very coy about I said, what you jumped it in other words, books, boxes of books appeared without warning at bookstores all over the country.
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And he said, well, we felt like there was some kind of resistance. I said, what do you mean? He said, I'm not sure.
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And I don't know whether he meant I'm not sure I should tell you or I'm not sure of the resistance.
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But for some reason, they jumped the book about two weeks and it showed up.
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You know, when I was writing that book, I felt across my mind that it was going to initiate contact for the ordinary people, which is exactly what it did.
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I don't know, I might have frozen up. I never occurred to me, never crossed my mind.
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I was aware by then that there were people inside the government who had had a certain amount of contact because I had met a space scientist David W. Webb who had come into our lives.
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I think through Stanton Friedman, the UFO researcher, and he was very well connected in the intelligence community and very supportive and very friendly and committed for dinner and came and stayed at the cabin and said it was I was doing a wonderful thing.
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And so forth and so on. He's very sweet. So I knew the government was aware of this of this whole abduction scenario. And I think now that they understood the full extent of it.
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They might not be so willing to say they were aware of it then. But in any case, the fact that this period, this thing that happened in 85 initiated contact is still sort of surprises me.
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Because I don't feel like this sort of perk. I don't feel like I don't see how it could be me that did it. That's exactly why I felt like we needed to have a conversation with you because now that just people are more accepting of the idea that the NHI is most likely involved with disclosure and things moving in the way they have been.
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I often think I'm like, well, something was very specific about choosing you to have this experience knowing your background, success or writer, we know, could deliver an experience and articulate what you went through in a way that can make other people connect with the NL.
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And I often come back to like, how do you make sense of that today?
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Well, I know exactly why they chose me. I can tell you precisely. Well, they chose me for a number of reasons. First, it's a family affair. One of my uncles was heavily involved in this at right path.
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No, he's my uncle Mickey and general exon were worked at the material command in 47. And my father was apparently involved.
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But he was so secretive, I have no idea whether or not he was. And your father is an Air Force office?
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No, no, he was in the well, he was in the army during the war. And then there were a couple of incidents in childhood that seemed to me in retrospect to involve this.
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But that's not where I want to go right now.
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Where I'd like to go right now is into this issue of why me and that was part of it. I mean, I don't want to go down the road of the details about the family connection.
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But the most important part is and I have come to an awareness and I'm pretty sure I'm right that they are very concerned about something called cultural colonization.
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In other words, if they show up with this amazing array of being skills technology mind, they're going to overwhelm us and make us feel completely disempowered and they don't want that.
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They're not looking for slaves, they're looking for friends and they don't want us to be running around behind them begging for their cell phones or whatever their cell phones to the beyond or whatever they have.
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And so the choice of this guy, I can tell a good story. I'm an efficient writer.
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But I don't come from authority. I'm not a scientist. I'm not Carl Sagan. I'm not. I don't have. I can't. You can take my work and you can say he was a horror novelist.
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And he maybe wasn't making as much money as he wanted on his horror novel. So he wrote a horror novel and called it real. In other words, you can just opt out if you want to with me.
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If it was a scientist with a big PhD in a lot of authority, you couldn't opt out. So with me, it's take it or leave it. You can take it. It's accurate. The story is real. And especially if it happened to you, you're going to be able to.
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You're going to say, wow, this is deeply empowering to me. And that's this is what they wanted. And I think that's why I ended up where I was.
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Wow, that's amazing. So you were kind of chosen as a note. I mean, something that you've talked about as well as the great John Von Neumann, who is known for being an absolute genius in his time smarter than all of the other incredibly smart scientists in the US, tongue Hungarian.
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And studied at a very, you know, actually notorious school in Hungary with along with his colleague Jonathan Vignor and was just known as, you know, laid the mathematical foundations for quantum mechanics, a lot of modern computational principles.
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He has said and you've cited, he's written a paper on the aliens possibly needing to be believed into existence. And if they do exist in some sort of parallel timeline or dimension.
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That human consensus belief needs to shift into kind of actually manifesting them. And so you would be an incredibly important kind of first node of creating that sort of belief.
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Well, yeah, and that has been the source of a lot of friction for me in my life. Internal friction and friction with people on the inside who are aware of what you just said.
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Now, as far as this goes, let's go back and let's explore Von Neumann a little bit. Very interesting. He came up with, he was involved in this. I think that we're past the point of saying, oh, these scientists who are not interested in this.
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Scientists who were supposedly in the majestic 12 group, if that was even its real name. If that's all nonsense, it's just send freedom and made the whole thing up.
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That's not true. They were involved. A couple of data points to support you before you go on is Robert Sarbacher said John Von Neumann was directly involved.
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And Von Neumann died of a really kind of gnarly form of cancer. And he had secret secret service outside of the Naval Hospital that he that he was in because they were afraid of what he might say.
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That's exactly right. Yeah. Well, you Robert Sarbacher. You knew Sarbacher. Oh, absolutely. No way.
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Stan Friedman was a catalyst. And he introduced me to Robert Sarbacher and to other people.
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The big Sarbacher was involved and then we'll get back to that. Yeah, I knew Sarbacher was involved. In fact, I'll tell you a fairly weird story here.
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Stan gave me Sarbacher's number. And then he called me back and he said, Sarbacher is waiting for you to call him. He's very eager to talk to you.
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So I call Sarbacher. Sarbacher. Precise to tell me all kinds of detail about the materials that he was this was working on at the Patel Memorial Institute about how when
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electron microscopes became operative. He they understood that there was a molecular grid grid a designed grid inside the inside this very thin material. And that was what made it so strong.
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And I think that's probably been extrapolated out into our military technology in many different ways and possibly civilian as well.
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And he asked me, I narrated my experience to him. This is before commune was even written. How'd you meet him through.
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And Friedman. Okay. So. And I narrated it to him and he said, I want you to write it all down and send it to me. So the next day I sat at my typewriter wrote the whole story out.
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I put it in an envelope and we weren't near we were I was at my cabin in upstate New York and we were not near FedEx, but UPS had just started overnighting and so they were willing to come pick it up.
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So I called the UPS office and they came along and they picked it up to take it to Sarbacher. The next morning I get a call from the UPS guy on the scene saying we can't deliver it.
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The recipient has expired. He's dead. He died.
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Arbacher. Yeah. That came to him. Give me a chance. Well, the night he died. But that was after commune this must have been eighty.
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No, I believe it was eighty six. Yeah, he died right around that. I thought he wrote to William. Well, it was it was while commune at that point was being created.
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And then I'm quite sure of I'm quite sure of the day. Wow. That's so it was very scary. And I think it was related to your course. I have no idea.
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He was I was told later that he fell off his boat. And I know the UPS guy said he fell off his boat. And the death certificate says natural causes.
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Well, the context around what was happening at this time is Sarbacher had just written a letter to William Steinman who's another UFO researcher.
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He was actually an employee of skunkworks who got basically fired over his research around UFOs. And he was saying, you know, yes, there was a program and Von Neumann,
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Vannevar Bush, Oppenheimer were all involved. And he says these beings are like insects, you know, the very lightweight and he talks about crafts and stuff.
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So maybe he was killed for you running his mouth or something because he was head of Washington National Labs and David Grush has said on record that he set up UFO secrecy in 1954.
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And I know he was very close with Thomas Towns and Brown, who was at mid century anti-gravity. He set up UFO secrecy. Sarbacher along with Oppenheimer.
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Well, so fascinating about that. The sour rocker would he talked about it very openly. Well, that's the thing. He was then I didn't realize he died like that.
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He was scrubbed from the internet. There is nothing on Sarbacher now. All you can see is a little memorial from, you know, I think it's some floor down in the open magazine.
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I know other people who are deep inside who are like that who were extraordinary had extraordinary lives. And now you can barely find them on the internet.
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Well, we're not going to joke about that. Let's keep talking about sour rocker.
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Well, maybe and maybe maybe talking to me was a mistake. I was very frightened by it. I'll tell you that.
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And if you read communion, you'll see my references to this, but I don't mention his name in communion because I was scared to that was Sarbacher.
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Well, Sarbacher's son has now gone on record saying my father told me that he used to put cameras on, you know, modified versions of V2 rockets in order to chase UFOs.
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So it has a familiar ring. He might have said that to me actually. Really?
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I don't remember directly, but it does have a familiar ring.
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That was more and more is coming out about Sarbacher and Ross Coltard has some interesting data points around some of the nuclear engineers old timers that he's met with in Australia, knowing who Sarbacher was.
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I think Sarbacher even taking a trip out there because they had their Wumara nuclear test site.
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Right. And so they're being some correspondence there. And so that's fascinating. You didn't realize that.
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When we did the documentary with Grush last year, I asked him, there is one person that you can ask questions that can lay out that can allow you to understand the architecture of the program. Who would it be? And he said it was Sarbacher.
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How fascinating. It could Sarbacher spent a couple hours on the phone with me. So they knew they knew what was happening to me. They had to have known.
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Well, when when Townsend Brown finally achieved a positive result with his anti gravity experiments, this was in Paris. He flies back to the US and Robert Sarbacher picks him up in his big Cadillac.
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And you know, that's that's a noted by his daughter, Linda and his historian Paul Schatzkin. And so I think he was he seemed deeply involved in all this stuff.
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And he's written big textbooks. He was known for having, you know, an IQ of 200 plus. And I think having some correspondence with the Sarbacher.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was obviously extremely smart, very quick. Yeah.
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And full of insight, either way. And really, I think he did a lot of good.
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That must have been encouraging for you before. Can you make the just know that you were well, at first time I wrote it down.
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And then he was four him. Oh, and the UPS said, we'll we'll send the thing back to you. But I never received it.
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He sees written a book to about ultra high frequency physics, which is basically if you think about what happens at ultra high frequencies, that's the stuff that the National Science Foundation is now quietly admitting.
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Unfortunately, the necessary and only impetus that will allow us to release suppressed science is kind of game theory vis-a-vis other countries and national security.
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And now we're releasing this virtual model of extended electrodynamics, which you could say people like Starbacher were probably looking into in the 50s because these are sort of microwave really extremely high up the electromagnetic scale, you know, very short wave lengths.
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That may have all sorts of weird effects, you know, and explain a lot of the biological effects as well when it comes to UFOs.
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Well, that's very interesting. I haven't kept up with that. I want to get let's get back though to on no.
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Yeah, because and parenthetically on the way back to Von Neumann.
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He didn't tell me personally, but he told a member of my family, not Von Neumann, General Exan, that he had held when the debris and bodies were brought into the material, he had held one of the bodies.
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And he said, this is from the Roswell crash. He had said he said it was like a big insect.
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Yes. And that's certainly my impression of them. Only they're not big. I mean, there's some of them are very small that some of them are bigger, but that was that night when I woke up in that room.
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My immediate thought was my God bugs huge bugs. And I thought that's why I thought it was having a nightmare because I came to this with no idea it could happen. Now let's get back to Von Neumann.
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There's two things is the Von Neumann machine, which is he postulated a machine that would replicate the species that built it and would then move around the galaxy looking for planets that it could seed.
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What if that's what we have here only Von Neumann in his I don't recall if it's in very much detail in the writings he did about this, but he does mention that something like that over vast amounts of time would inevitably have a certain amount of deterioration of its memory.
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What if what we have here is something that was programmed to seed planets like this, but not programmed to find someone else because they had as much trouble as we're having finding other people and decided there weren't any.
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And so it arrives it finds us and doesn't know what to do.
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And that's why we have this bizarre situation that if you look step back from the whole thing.
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It could be it looks a little bit like an AI that has gone berserk Von Neumann the Von Neumann machine could be an explanation for why this is so peculiar let me put it that way.
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But the other thing that Von Neumann and you referenced briefly this paper earlier there is supposedly a paper and at general Exan who was no scientist but had been exposed to a lot of scientists involved in this and was very smart.
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It tried to explain this to me and of all the scientists who were involved in it I thought he was most likely talking about something that Von Neumann would have thought of would have conceived.
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They can have another scientist involved in it that I don't know about but the paper supposedly is just a couple of pages long and it if it even still exists because a lot of this stuff was gone with the wind I'm sure by now.
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And what it postulates is that if this presence is not from this physical universe or even if possibly even if it is in order to become part of our reality where it does not exist in any way it has to gain a deeper.
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Within us we have to come to a deeper realization of its reality it has to be as real for us as we are to each other as this is to it's us as this is to us as our world is if it's not from our world it has to break through into our reality by taking us not just to a level of belief in its presence but to an assumption about its presence.
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That is as basic as our assumption about the rest of the reality that we know fascinating how do we get our hands on that paper because we know on record that Von Neumann no scientist would dispute this he entertained this idea that the mind is responsible for wave function collapse.
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Exactly why I think he wrote the paper precisely and he explored that idea extensively and so it would be something he would think of definitely and it is what he's talking about in the paper I would assume is an intervention in the process of the collapse of wave function by this other presence that alters the way the wave function function collapses when we perceive.
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So fascinating yeah now that would also explain.
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And I take this extremely seriously because I think we're talking about something real you understand I respect this this this belief I think this paper existed maybe it still does and it's why when people are all angry about you know the government won't disclose and so forth I say wait him.
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And they say well we're ready and I say no we're not we don't because you say we're ready for it but we don't know what it is.
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And therefore we are not ready and here's the problem I wrote a short story about this about Von Neumann's death called the open doors about his fear that this is a door which opens in the mind and in the perceptual system.
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And can never be closed so once the door is open once we have accepted them into our reality we can never get rid of them we can never tell them no it turns out we don't want you here because we don't like you and we don't like what you're doing to us we can't do that the door opens only once and only in one direction and forever now if that isn't a motive.
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To hide this to keep it secret people scoring the Collins relief they say well they think it's demons and we're supposed to ignore demons and that's why they do.
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It might go a little deeper than that it might be that this is a time right now where we have to be very careful about preserving our dominion of our reality and to think of this in some new ways what do we do right now.
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If we are going to let them into our reality and I think ultimately we have to but on our terms they cannot come into and take our reality with us we must not lose dominion this is what my new book is basically about and I don't want to I'm not flacking my book here but it does it has come up well how do you maintain sovereignty while letting them because we have to understand their motives.
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Their motives and their functionality their physical functionality their motives their understanding of themselves and we have to even if it's not necessarily a completely correct inclusion factually we have to come to a decision about what we want them to be in our reality and this has got to be a decision that is so deep that it is below the level.
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Ordinary discourse in a deeper level of consciousness which is the level of consciousness which Von Neumann was talking about when he was talking about.
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The way perception collapses the wave function it's at that point that we control this.
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Fascinating that's where yeah I mean so this brings this interesting question up philosophically of like.
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We all three of us probably at this table like are somewhat more pro the reenchantment of the world or anti kind of materialist reductionism this idea that you know everything's kind of happening randomly and lacks meaning but once you kind of let that in your life the idea that you know maybe there is a hierarchy of.
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Being maybe humans aren't at the top of it maybe things are way more magical than they seem it is a Pandora's box and the farther and deeper you get kind of ontologically you know as far as kind of chasing truth the more evil you have to face and fight as well and so how do you ensure that human consciousness raises kind of commensurately with our you know unveiling you know epistemologically.
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Well that gets me to a story of something that happened to me in the 1970s before any of this was in my life but it was other people already knew it would be apparently I went but with my wife it was a very social person she had lots of friends in New York and we went to a lot of parties I was even invited to some of the parties but told don't be depressing or I'll throw you out you'll have to go on the in the case.
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In the case at this party there was this lady who want to sit with me and talk with me she said Mister quickly she's talked to the next and let's sit down over here and we sat down and she said I want to tell you my story.
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My story is this I was working I was doing the magical working she said in a shuttle in Poland in the 1930s and we pushed away the dark side.
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We had made extraordinary progress in animating a glim but we absolutely.
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The dark side which kept trying to enter our working in different ways suddenly across the river burst tanks.
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With its men in them in black uniforms with death's heads on their on their caps and we realized that we had forced the dark side to come in on its own and it had broken down the door.
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This woman walked from Poland to China over the next six years and there was still an American presence in China when she arrived and General still well got her to the United States where she rejoined the community the same community that she was in in Poland which had moved to.
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United States it is terribly important that we understand what the dark side is and not say it's demons and we don't want to push it away we have to understand that it's the well spring of knowledge.
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We have to take care with it. You do not dance with the tiger but you respect the tiger's presence in the world.
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How do you do that? Because you've said on record many times you think you are where you are as far as your worldview because your curiosity trumps your fear.
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It does I know that for sure on the one hand you have all these myths like you know the philosophers stone or the holy grail or you know you're seeking truth and you find it and you realize it's within or something in the outer is the inner.
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You know the Sardartha you know you have all these stories like that kind of heroes journey and then you also have stories like Faust in Prometheus of going for the forbidden truth for the knowledge and then getting burned.
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And so how do you tow that line? Well the first thing we have to do is to understand that all of us contain Faust all of us are Prometheus and we always will be that's called being human.
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And the best way to do this is to fully embrace in our deepest hearts the honest truth about our humanity.
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It's dark side and it's lights on. We all want to be good people but that's not all we are not one of us. That's not our nature.
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Our nature is to be sentimental about the good but enjoy the bad and the dark and that is it look the whole the whole expression of rock and roll is about that it is an incredibly important expression a new kind of expression of the human spirit so I love it so much.
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Although I don't have the ears for it anymore in which I have to your plugs when I go to concerts I hate it is your favorite I'm not going to get into that I want to go down the rock and roll road you're doing that all day and you're your your your fans will sing why did you talk about rock and roll for two hours come on they want to know the real Whitley well no the real Whitley is actually also a huge classical music fan and an opera fan okay so I'm a real culture Vulture on many different levels amazing yeah what do you think speaking of the music.
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I think speaking of the dark side you obviously experienced this famous you know abduction if you will in 1985 prior to that you had a very interesting childhood and you hinted possibly having undergone secret experiments you grew up next to Randolph Air Force bases.
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Well something happened I know let's go back to that in I mean let's go back there in time I'm not saying let's return to it later I'm sorry.
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Here's what happened as far as I can put it together first of all I was seven years old when this happened so therefore my memories of it are very confused and very sparse but I have a very close friend group we grew up together in Texas and like lot of Texas families are family connection probably
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goes back to before the civil war family friendships and the south are quite common and we're still closest friends he's my closest friend in the world he is very high up in this world in a completely different area from anything
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remotely connected as it's science or is it no it's it's another another area it's something to do with government and she said and but we are.
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We're we send every new years together I'll be with him enough in his wife in a few weeks and get we can I have.
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He was also recruit when I told him the story he's known all he's read all my books in manuscript he's knows all the story backwards and forwards and you laugh if you saw how very different his place in the world is from mine and we keep our friendship secret I'm not going to don't bother to throw about it because I won't I won't go there because we have to not because we want to because we have to.
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So in any case he remembers he was nine and I was seven I don't remember anything about that recruiting me.
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He was recruited and he was in the living room when the Air Force people came and they knew them we knew a lot of Air Force but I'm sure my parents knew them too.
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And they said to the parents that it was an accelerated learning program with for children with very very high IQs and there would only be three or four children in the program in tech in San Antonio but the implication was was nationwide and maybe I'm saying a little more than he said but that was this is I think it's logical extrapolation and they asked about the program and he remembers them saying
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that it involved the use of a Skinner box which I would assume my parents had no idea what that was but his parents did know and they said no this is a box that a person was put in.
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So be real for the context for the audience. The BF Skinner was a mid-century psychologist that worked on kind of behavioral conditioning.
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So you know how do you honestly often manipulate biological systems to like do certain things over and over and over and you ring a bell or what it is kind of like Avalov's dogs sort of thing.
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Yeah, it was repetitive learning is what it was trapped in a room in the little box with repetitive learning all I remember is a dark place I couldn't get out of and noise horrible noise I don't remember a repetitive learning that's all I remember in any case come October
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it started in August of 1952 come October I began to get sick constant I couldn't I was getting one cold and so my mother takes me to the doctor it turns out I have no immune system it's broken it's broken down.
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So they take me out of the program I don't even remember any of this my was told so I didn't I wasn't told my mother never told me anything about the program but I surmise I was taken out of it because the next thing I do remember very vividly is I end up at Berg general hospital.
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A little seven year old thin little seven year old boys being in an isolated in a room in given gamma globular shots and by these doctors who you know these huge needles I mean this is the early 50s right needles are like gigantic in these huge needles are coming at me and they would get so nervous the needle go through my arm and they stuff would drip down my chest it was just awful.
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And then after a few days I'm taking home I can't see anybody I'm fed separately I'm I can't I'm isolated until after Christmas I go back to school finally in January my mother kept my report card it said absent due to illness absent due to illness semester at a month after month.
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All of her life and we found it in their personal effects after she passed and I said to my sister I want that report and she said sure I'll give it to you she destroyed it instead and I said why did you do that I wanted.
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And she wouldn't say anything about it she said quickly I just did it what is your instinct tell you on what the skinner box in these experiments were for where they to make you a high performer no they were to crack the cosmic egg.
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I think so kind of liberate the soul from the body and light astral travel no because the visitor showed up a couple of years later or right then maybe right even then I think that that's the purpose of purpose to and I think that to make you a receptor yeah I think that this started I'll tell you what I have surmised and I can't prove this.
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I think it started at doc how I think it started in the camps and I think that children who were being gasped sometimes after the gasing they weren't there any everyone you know the people would all rush into the center of the thing and try to go up because the gas was low and they would die in these pyramids of humanity.
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All of them calling for the ceiling and the children would always be at the bottom crushed flat like bugs and sometimes you know the the Nazis kept extremely careful records and sometimes I suspect some of those children weren't there and that noise I remember from those box that box I think that's the sound a recorded of the screaming from in the back of the box.
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Inside the they were trying to duplicate the conditions of the gas chamber to see if they could induce this power in another in highly intelligent what what's the so the kids weren't there after I don't know they disappeared they went into another reality.
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I know you've worked with Peter Leventa you wrote a book called unholy alliance right getting into really speculative territory that I don't I don't personally feel high conviction in but I'm curious to get your take on which is that you know the Nazis somehow allied themselves with an unholy force of non human intelligence.
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I don't want to go down that path I don't feel a level of conviction about it either I think the Nazis were just shits.
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I'll lend also help you uncover that some of these experiments might have been post operation paper clip yes not the experiments of some of these Germans coming over a lot of the operation paper clip people apparently lived in my neighborhood yep and my father was.
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On a big house on the hill and then across the street a couple houses down is the FBI agent his wife and then the street over there these.
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Scientists so God knows what that's all about right no idea.
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And then I'm going out to Randolph every Thursday night for.
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For these things and and then that ends and you know I sort of go back to living a normal kid life I have a wonderful childhood it's almost that made me think is there something about inducing such a high state of human suffering that opens a crack in the same way that an immense amount of love and like focused intention can also open you know crack cracks open something in our feels that.
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That allows you know someone who's thinking or you with a lot of love allows you to maybe feel that yeah no you I think you might be on the right track I think that's exactly what it was about even when I think about.
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Idea of angels and demons.
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A full one forces like exploiting human potential and humanity to like them the most that they can and then the other forces there's like a levitated like a.
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There's a levitate levitate or or elevate the the the.
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Just the way we think in the way we act and maybe the extremes do do something to our reality that then brings in.
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I started to have weird experiences in my childhood after this and I had a normal childhood and the weird experiences were very compartmentalized.
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I remember an incident two incidents I remember an incident of my father taking me out to the country house and in the middle of the night it was cold so it must have been the winter and the strange car showed up with these glowing lights that didn't shine
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and came rushing down the road and stopped in front of the house very abruptly like it was not a normal part and then the next thing I knew this object that was squared off came tumbling across the sky and went into the back pasture behind the house and it was back there glowing and I tried to talk to my dad and he was just standing there he wouldn't he couldn't move or didn't move and then I felt like I needed to go find out.
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What was going on and I went out toward the back pasture and that's all I remember and then the other incident was very weird suddenly one afternoon my mother and father gathered up my then baby brother and my sister and they all went to the country house leaving me at home with my dog alone at a little age of 11 without ex you know mother said well just call us if you need anything.
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You know I need a lot of things like a dinner and you know a life and you know not being left in the house alone in scary night by myself.
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Yeah so after a while I eventually I mean I made a dinner probably peanut butter sandwich or something and I went to watch a little TV and then went up to bed to find.
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I had an air conditioner this is houses too old to have been centrally air conditioned and there was a window air conditioner that looked out on a window and there was a lower roof behind that beyond that window and the window above the sash above the air conditioner was sealed and it had been pulled down and the seal was all hanging loose and I could see it was obvious that I was going to see it.
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It was obvious that it was just little past dusk there was someone on the roof and so I went down and called the country house and my mother answered and she said well if there's someone on the roof telephone the police.
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Does you see how strange this all is yes you I shouldn't come rushing home exactly or why did they go in the first place so your dad must have had some involvement and I mean I mean he must have so we do you must have speculated
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you know if he was this high ranking army officer who he probably had clearances right I don't know I know he listen he would tell you mother said well he found apartments for or or
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or GI the wives of GI's who were abroad and then he if you asked him what he did doing the war he said well I just used to pick up cigarette butts
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that for Sam used to keep the keep the place clean and so you know I don't know idea what he did I'm pretty sure that's not true I have a feeling somehow I didn't pick up cigarette butts yeah yeah and what what loses name his first is Carl street or OK and
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it so but getting back to this the the I went downstairs to call the police but I you know there's no 911 in those days I know how I called some got the phone book there's a man on the house upstairs get coming in the house in any moment I'm looking in the front of the phone book for the local the
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Terrell Hills the local police I finally find the number I call and the lady answers and we only had like three cops it was a small community it's bedroom suburb of San Antonio but an independent city save on taxes and a cop comes I know the cop I know all the cops all the kids do it's not you know it's a very small scale deal
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he parks it down the front of the house a half acre front lawn with big huge hedge like 60 feet tall Augusta and a bow or kind of the and he comes through I see him coming out coming up out of the shadows and he's got his gun out like this is coming to the house with his gun at his hands
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and it's scared the hell out of me you know what did he know that I didn't know and so he comes in the house and I say he's up on the roof and he goes running upstairs second later he comes running down yelling there's no one there there's no one there he runs down to his car gets it in drives off that was it
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then what happens to me I actually don't know the rest of the night I don't remember a thing about it I remember my parents and my such a coming home the next morning it was a beautiful morning came home with about 11 o'clock and 12 o'clock before noon because I had breakfast with them I made my own breakfast I remember that that's the story
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and you're still in communication with the NHI that right as a part of my it's a and I'm not non human intelligence I am in communication with something with it with it they manifest themselves as graves for you or still no not often once in a coup d'etge I
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about a year ago I'm pleading I want you to a come in front of the cameras I've got two different camera systems in the house I've been I've been trying to get pictures of them since the 80s do you have any I do I have very little stuff a few things
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they got pissed off at me a couple of years ago and they're they all these explosions strange explosions got picked up as a result of that and on the cameras and I've got that and they like me to wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning to
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mean I guess yeah and I know that is specific time well it's an hour according if it's if I'm right about what it is there's a an ancient yogic tradition of
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Brahman or her time the time you look they're not in your head yeah because in Islam it's also you there's like a in a lot of religions that time is like
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very sacred you do commune with God like the highest the highest yeah and Islam the prayer that you do around that time is the one where you're supposing the closest to God and I think it has something to do with actually like a having done to
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Joe the spends a retreat he there's a whole thing around like a melatonin being there's something mystical about that we still don't understand about how melatonin makes the
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makes the brand makes the brain act when we're asleep and that's why someone with his meditation you'd make you wake up during that time well I wake up during that time every night every every single night and in fact for years after my wife passed away back in the 90s
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what is Brahman what is between three and four or as well it's suppose you know the interesting thing was that it is supposed to be an hour and a half or an hour and 30 minutes before dawn and so that's why I you know at first they would wake me up physically they would blow in my face I would get a little kiss
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I wrote a point book of poems out called the garden which has been read by I think twelve people and other fourteen people listen to the audio book you know poetry is not go out and check out what these poetry my yeah I do it for you check out it's nice for anyway I wrote a poem about this experience and and it was not a unpleasant experience you get to the point where you have to learn something about sleep
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healthy sleep you're gonna go crazy getting wake up at that hour every night and you know they do not they do not stop it so after she passes back in the 90s there was a period of time they were in the up at that hour and we lost the cabin we leave the cabin
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and that doesn't happen then she gets ill and she passes on and a few days after she passes on it starts again they start waking me up at the clock around that time and it becomes a very big part of my life very important because I can feel the communion going on I can feel it really intensely and part of it is involved seems to be in the way I'm going to do it.
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It's involved with my wife and other dead people in the dead in the aliens it kind of all do you think you know we talk about the community of the saints in Christianity do you think that it's somewhat similar where you're commuting it feels incredibly sacred it's something I would not I mean every once in a while I don't do it because what happened at first for the first five years from 19 2015 until
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2020 they woke me up religiously every night then they began to not necessarily wake me up every night but I was expected to wake myself up and I found that out the hard way is I decided well and not waking me up so I can sleep all night that wasn't the idea do you get any messages from them.
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God I've written all my books since 2015 have been written based on this what are some what are some big recurring themes as far as messages you're supposed to get out to humanity.
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Well if you look across the books what you see are two things one is we are more than physical creatures and two is we have value more value than we ourselves recognize we are very very valuable and extraordinary beings we're not the lesser.
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We are our own in our own way we are another masterpiece of the universe and you can see that that's the arc if there's any arc in that in those books that's the arc and it comes up very strongly in the new book which is basically about.
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Empowerment do you accept read your book on Jesus actually and did yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah of course I thought it was great and it definitely has like a nostic underpinnings around your view of Jesus that he.
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Assended to you know in traditional Christianity he he was the son of God he was also godlike but.
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I think you view him as possibly one of many and so going to your point about humans generically speaking being more special or more godlike is that would you would that be your sort of world view that we're capable of coming to be a tea.
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That because we are we're not like the angels and the perhaps the demons we don't have to be anything we can take a journey.
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We have that freedom to take a journey and the grace do not have that freedom they know too much to have that kind of freedom but we they see.
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Too far ahead in time and too far back in time to clearly to really have free will they don't have free will that's interesting so you're like.
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If they're because I remember one part of communion it's like this kind of joke but it's twisted and it's so visceral and the the the being says.
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Soon my dear you'll you'll be one of us or something like a just like us yeah and so it's like they're they're almost they've moved far so far down this path that they've hit this sort of cold the sack.
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And so they know too much and they're trying to come back to warn us to inflect in some sort of more way or something to also enjoy.
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Communing with us because when they are in communion with you they are experiencing time the same way you do everything is new how do you discern between good and bad in that scenario where if you do think that this is some sort of parallel or alternate timeline what if it's bad entities and they're trying to ensure that they're unsuspecting and send through trickery and deception.
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You have to you have to be your own best best.
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Council your own wisest council you have to live a good life up kindness and not lying or two very important things.
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We're all lying we're all in kind and everyone sees says that he's we say that immediately go.
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To all the things they did all the kind things they did and all the lies they've told and so do I the same thing.
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We have these choices human beings can make choices that they can't make it's too late for the grace they know too much they can't make choices do you think they do exist on some sort of timeline or something happen like the classic speculation about the grace would be like.
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They are the victims of some sort of nuclear holocaust or cataclysm they lost the melanin in their skin because the atmosphere is sort of you know blocking the sun you know do you do nuclear debris or whatever do you believe that or any sort of specific version of who they are where they're coming from.
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Well I know now that we have bodies here that we have biologists have studied here and that those studies are ended I don't know if they I hope they still have the bodies because you know that they those studies were never released and they're done in secret and there's probably a lot of biology still to be done.
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One of those bodies if they would ever be brought out into the public space in science which would be wonderful but so we have bodies.
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But but I'll tell you a few things about these bodies one is they are a mix of biology and.
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Not exactly machinery that's putting it too far but they.
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Like biological replicas of some sorts there like something somebody built.
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Some somebody with a certain amount of skill in in in genetics built these but not not unlimited skill because they're not.
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All that you know there's things about them that don't work very well yeah I mean that I also thought that like if you're gonna.
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If you're gonna be engineer a being that kind of looks like I could say a braille small like.
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But you you you get back to the hybrid switcher they are they are engineered and they are very fluently telepathic but.
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They are also unvoiced and they are extremely autistic.
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And if you go online and spot a fire apple podcast or somewhere and you can find a.
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A podcast called with telepathy tapes thinking over by storm right now yeah it's amazing I just interview Kai and Dr. Powell actually oh you did I'm gonna interview Kai and.
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And you know a few a few days actually I'm I discovered this in the second I discovered it I realize how important it was I'm glad it's come up but these people are unvoiced and autistic yes now I have friends.
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Friends who are telepathic and are not unvoiced and I think there may be some people in working with the in the I see and probably other intelligence communities around the world who are telepathic and not and not and voiced yeah but in any case of one of the my friends who's telepathic recently had a contact with.
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An unvoiced person who was shocked because she.
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She he wasn't used to having a near another telepath around any and she had to really calm him down they were in about her and said don't worry about it I'm I'm not going to do anything I'm just here you know I can't help it either.
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So but I Kai is a lovely person yeah she's awesome yeah and I think really in this for the right reasons and for context for the audience the number four pod.
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And the country right now which is absolutely wild.
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Kai Dickens is a amazing filmmaker she was rejected by all these you know production houses as far as making this into a larger documentary and just kind of the IY style recorded this it's she's found all these non verbal autistic children who were formally being studied by this Harvard neuroscientist a woman named Dr Diane Powell and it's really remarkable you have these kids being put in you know their parents are.
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Put in one room kid is putting the other room the parents sees a random image generated on the iPad or TV or whatever out of you know a thousand or 10,000 images and the kid guesses what their parents looking at.
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With almost 100% accuracy 95% plus accuracy and so it's it moves because all of these studies in the Paris psychology world of mind of her matter whatever.
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Traditionally been super weak need extremely large amounts of data and cohorts and you end up in these endless arguments because people are too lazy to actually look at the data right and in this case you have conclusive data and all these kids are spiritually while physically they're you know nonverbal they're seen it's totally maladjusted you know whatever.
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Spiritually they seem far more evolved than all of us meet up on the hill together and they hang out and they talk about God constantly in the kingdom of heaven and they seem to have faith in some sort of higher world that that we all just they do have limited access to and kindness and truth telling or essential in that.
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In that and there's a lot they know every they know languages better than the Spanish teacher without having learned it it's absolutely amazing.
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I yeah they are and it's you know it gets me to the hybrids who are.
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I don't know I know a few of them and I I there's some that are function either aliens walking among well that okay here's the functionality issue.
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The ones I know are not voiced which immediately makes them essentially profoundly crippled in this society also they're nonverbal that's what I'm saying they're not they're non void they can't talk and they often have to use techniques this one called RPM to type right what they feel but they the no they live in a nonco they don't do that I mean they're not they're not in they're not interfacing with the world around them which is a huge problem I've talked to.
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I'm not a problem I've talked to guy about it we're going to get together and try to figure out.
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Can we help because they're very.
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They're very autistic and they are fluently telepathic and you know I'm I'm telepathic but passive telepathic in other sense in the sense that.
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I can have telepathy with them very easily and I will pick them if I'm near someone who's telepathic I'll pick it up right away so we try to do like you think about a color.
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No I can't I can't project it in other words I can't read your mind in your mind but if someone who is telepathic was in the room we could converse that's that that that.
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I'm in the grocery store the other day that I'm fairly near some of them I think I don't know where they live exactly but I do see them around and of course I pick it up immediately.
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This woman is walking in front of me and I hit I'm hit by a realize oh shit shit it's one of them and she goes.
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If she runs looks around she's got a skateboard and she starts to come after me with a skateboard and I think holy shit.
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I'm gonna tell her I'm gonna be beaten to death by one of the hybrids because she's scared of me and so she can't she wants to leave the store she wants to run out of the store but I'm in the doorway.
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So she turns around and runs off into the store and I think just calm down with me let her go I'm not gonna follow anything and so I just go and concentrate on what I'm looking for I do not put my mind on her in any way I get my stuff and I go out.
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And there's often somebody waiting another one will waiting you know they have these old cars they're not having they don't have much money and so the other one that's waiting outside is there and I come out and go into my car and he looks at me and he goes.
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Like that and I know I'm good I passed there not gonna be pissed off.
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But that's reality it's a reality and I'm sorry it's real it's real the telepathy is very real do you think any of the hybrids are functional human beings that are walking around not that I have met and they also all smoke all the time and why do they do that well I I went to this into this very extensively I spoke to a psychiatrist who specializes in treating schizophrenia and he really solved it for me.
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He said schizophrenics smoke not to suppress the voices in their heads but to smooth out the nicotine smooth out the emotions it it calms you and the hybrid smoke all the time they never stop all the time and you know in this society
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you know it's sad I'm not like it's practically as a no smoking sign on the city on the and the boundaries of the city I mean you this is not a place where you smoke very comfortably anywhere and so you know they're very isolated and they're very unhappy and they're not they're poor and I'm hoping and it seems to me to be completely impossible.
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I'm hoping that we will be able to reach out to them in some way and bring them into society because we've got wonderful people human regular people caring good people who can help them have you ever read the sci fi novel childhoods and I certainly have so in that book as you know there are the overlords these sort of cosmic hosts if you will that are attempting to make contact with mankind.
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They do it through this cadre of telepathic children.
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And these telepathic children are sort of the Paul Revere's if you will of humanity that are starting you know this this communications channel to this higher higher kind of board like being what do you think of that do you think that's that that that's a case of fiction becoming it will be a year.
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He was obviously a very extraordinary man he was fat.
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Artistic Clark was fascinating fascinating man he's probably MI6 probably yeah he lived in Sri Lanka he wrote a book about a portal in Sri Lanka on the top of a mountain and now it's you have to speculate that he actually thought that there was one or something like you of course he did I'm sure you do yeah I had this strangest experience with him.
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I had a friend Mike Smith when I was living in London he was also an American he was a very good artist and in those days the English were easily fooled by fake credentials so he made some fake credentials for a paper called the Chicago citizen which didn't even exist and we used to use these credentials to get into places we didn't belong like ask an opening day and the premiere of
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of which was 2001 was the fantasy yeah yeah earth or see clerks movie the earth okay yeah RC Clark Stanley Kubrick based on actually a novel by Arthur C Clark called the Sentinel right so
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Arthur C Clark is there I end up sitting beside Arthur C Clark in the movie no way telling the truth that's crazy so you know I'm very quiet of course because I don't want to I don't want to get thrown out and I don't think it'd be too long before another Americans can understand realize that I'm there based on complete bullshit.
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I'm sitting there you are meant to be there baby and I asked afterwards he turns to me and he introduces himself as if it didn't know who he was and I tell him my name and he said well why are you here and he said I said well I'm from the Chicago citizen the Chicago citizen he says I said yeah it's a new paper.
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Oh he says well what do you think you're going to write a review you says I said yes I'm going to rewrite review and I'm in the review I'm going to say that you are a genius and he says well you better say Stanley's a genius too.
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Wow so that was my contact with our city both of those guys were truly genius they were great geniuses and yeah God I have a feeling there's not too many places in the universe to create geniuses that are Scott free.
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Yeah in the world like we are in moments like this I just often remember a specific interview the doctor John Mac did with one of the one of the kids from the aerial school and he asks her why she thought the visitors were there and she goes in space there is no love but down here there is and I I remember so viscerally watching that for the first time and that resonating on such a deep soul level that I don't know what I'm going to do.
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And of course you can make the case that is wishful faking of course I want to feel special as a human and I want to feel like we have something here that doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe but there is something so profound that anybody that is experienced like a love and and a sense of yeah it's anyone that just experienced love you can really feel the transcendence of that I mean the most popular film for the past that it was about like a
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transcendence of love interstellar so like the whole thing is about was it was about that so and and you could see how like it's almost like it right now is the 10th it's the 10th year anniversary and the people are talking back about the film because we're watching for the first time big fans are watching again and and the conversions of even that I started just about a couple days ago it feels so every just everything feels like it's making sense for the moment that we're living right now on like in the world.
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So I'm just like in the way polar and the the drones popping up on people thinking more about space with space X landing you know a tower from coming from space background on to earth I really do think that we have something so profound here that we have to preserve that we have to gather around to like as you said really understand what is it that makes us who we are what it makes it what is it that makes us makes them who they are and and so that they are here based on our terms we know that we're not they're not going to be a
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overlords that we have to like exactly what we have to submit our entire sovereignty to just because they're higher form of entail just 2025 is about figuring out how to live together and that does not mean we are going to have to accept overlords if that's all we can manage they don't want to be here.
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Maybe our current reality is more governed by entities than we realize like where do thoughts even come from and so I do I think there's kind of this perspective of like you know one of my favorite quotes is this Eden Philpots.
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The universe is full of magical things waiting patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper and that's a wonderful quote it's a wonderful quote and there's maybe some strat of beings that are.
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Waiting for us to ascend it to their level to truly you know communicate at parity with them and then there may be some other beings that.
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If you're not aware of them probably have more insidious control of your life right now yeah and so like it brings up all these sort of kind of epistemic ontological questions when you're daydreaming why are you thinking what you're thinking you're not consciously constructing those thoughts they're sort of entering your mind as if it's this antenna receptacle.
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And so then then you have to ask what's on the you know sending end of that and you know well on that point I feel like we jump straight into.
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The communication with then a child but we're not we we met we didn't talk about the implant and the fact that there's something in your body that you.
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Believe is an implant I feel right here if you yeah if you see that you can't I don't think you touch it if you want to I feel like three years I can.
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Give you a CT scan I would go is it weird if I touch yours it's fine doesn't matter it might be a little hot to have been working right here two three years ago if you had if you had told someone go ahead don't be scared here here.
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It's right under my finger now oh my god yeah that is not what can you touch it I'll come touch you but I want to finish this point because if you like that's also normal tissue yeah no I mean there's the CT scan a video of there's a video of the surgeon trying to remove it and the thing.
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Fucking moving at its own like it's a downed by your lobe yeah and it just like goes down and I remember watching that.
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I guess it went under but that's the hard part.
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It's actually moving now it went under it's on the run.
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Okay because I could sit just right is getting now it's not fit.
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I'm going to have weird effects now that I know not at all listen it's been in this whole it's part of this conversation.
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It's been it's years gotten hot and cold hot and cold all through the conversation.
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Yeah it's a thing it's how you communicate with the.
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No no it's it's I work with it in other words I can interrogate the implant while I'm talking but you've had it was humans.
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Give you a human yeah and see something I haven't been black style we this is something we haven't touched on yet is the human level of this and I can tell you a lot about.
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A and what it does because I've learned about this from I was taught this right couple of people who.
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Came in to the house but let me just back up to the time it was put in.
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Somewhere in one of my books it says it was 1992 it was put in that's a copy editing here it was May of 1989.
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I was in bed in the cut cabin in and was asleep at about 11 o'clock at night I was still reading it just about to go to sleep.
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Books out on the swimming pool in the back I had so much money then I really wish I hadn't been destroyed what happened.
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Did you see beyond the MGM thing the part of the episode three it goes into south park slam pooning me and all the.
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I don't know if I do get eventually people people buy a book from somebody who's controversial but they're not gonna it's easier now but in those.
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Days when you had to go into a bookstore to buy a book you're not going to buy a book by somebody who's laughing stock and being laughed at and it torpedoed my career wiped me out and I went on this long.
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Agonizing decline that ended with the loss of the cabin and eventual bankruptcy and it was just a disaster.
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So I sort of sort of knocking along right now I don't have much money but.
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I don't need much money and I'm I can't.
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I don't trust the publishing industry not to get into.
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Bed with the defense department and I'm well aware of the fact that there are people in the defense department who do not like me and do not want my work out there why don't they like you.
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Ask them ask the college elite by their scared of what they really don't like the consulates they do not they think I'm in league with demons because they are simple people who are way behind.
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They're behind the eight ball and behind the time I want to get back to your implant but really quick with the cons elite.
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This is this evangelical Christian group that like is cited by Luel Azondo other kind of disclosure advocates as being anti disclosure because they think this is all demonic and so can't be scientifically studied we shouldn't even look at it and a lot of them were actually looking at the phenomenon.
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And I think is a part of this program called stack five right airfield right and then they came out of that study with the conclusion this is written about by Nick redfern in his book final events that this is all demonic we shouldn't look at it we should look away but I I've never heard the cons elite well characterized by anybody like who are they are they still operational and like what do they what do they want to do.
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I will be early in the CIA right they were sort of no it was a force for you know yeah okay and I don't want to go down that path because.
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If you look it beyond an episode three and you see what happened to me.
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And what did my life and it's got something to do with them I'm convinced and because they they there's a lot those intelligence community does.
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Way more social engineering in this country than you can then it should or should even be legally allowed to do.
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The CIA stays out of that because it's not allowed to propaganda is the American people but I think there's lots of work around with other alphabet.
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Air for office special investigation and yeah and the connection between some important aspects of the of the old media and those.
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Organizations is very profound absolutely very dangerous since 1989 okay damn plan yeah let's get back to the fun stuff I don't like to talk about that other stuff because I'm not I can.
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Do about it and I have been beaten to death by them so maybe I'll just finish the point when you were touching the end of that now people can accept that story is given you know lose.
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No, it's on those testimony and him even bringing it on news nation and talking about it but I feel like yeah probably the time you're telling people they have an implant will probably thought you.
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It's not because like well not really because actually had a video yeah well no it is anybody can if they were in this room it feel your ear.
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I don't know what that is man I mean I was like now you can look at the video and it's in a number of documents.
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The memories in somewhere on my website to my website is too big and I can't honestly say where very easily but you see the doctor try to remove it you see says my wife sees it she's right there.
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Oh, she says it's a white disc because like a little tiny white disc.
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I mean I got a little and the doctor doctor it was such a cute sweet die.
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But he didn't know anything about any of the implants and I and it said to me from the beginning you're not getting it removed you're not getting removed then it's 1994.
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Our six I believe it was that we lost the cabin we're living in a little condo and sanitary and we meet this guy and.
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We talk and you know he's interested in community and stuff and I decide I'm going to see if I can get around and see because I'm very curious about love to see this.
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It's not really working at that time it's not essential to me at all so I say to him.
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By the way I've got this little cyst and she bristles and I said on my ear would you feel that he feels it's just yeah it's just a little cyst you want me to pull it off pop it off I said yeah I would.
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So sure come over to my office tomorrow morning the Saturday morning at 10 and I'll do it at home and says you know I'm sick and tired you you this is your chance we're going to have a big fight.
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Unless you promise me absolutely on your honor never to try again I say okay I figure I've got her I'm going to get the implant out take it to L.A.
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And we're going to study it with Roger Lear and you know we finally figured out what this thing is.
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So we go into the doctor's office and he's got his nurse there and he's opens up the slit and he.
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And there and they were video taping it she says it's a white disc and the doctor.
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Touches it with a scalpel or something a probe of some kind and it goes down into my earlobe.
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At that point and if you look carefully at the video you can see you get sort of still and it's real fact he's realizing he said later that I realized I was trying to take out an alien implant.
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And he says well I got have to take your whole ear off I mean well it was been two days past and the ear burns like hell I think my ears caught on fire and it goes up back under the skin to this place.
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Do you have any sense of what it's made out of.
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We got a sliver at the doctor's office he said it to the lab in under ordinary circumstances.
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I receive a telephone call from Dr. William Mallow the head of material science at Southwest research in San Antonio which was founded by a family friend is that that's Texas A.
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Yeah that's no it's not in him.
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No it's a different okay okay this is a private foundation founded by Tom Slic San Antonio.
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In back in the 50s and Bill is his head of material science and has been since the beginning of foundation at that point.
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And somehow or another it went to a lab to a regular ordinary lab the doctor to send it to a lab.
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But I don't get he doesn't get a report from the lab I get a call from bill Mallow about it.
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So it's gone from the lab to Southwest research which is 50% 50 or 45% funded by the CIA.
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Bill says I've got your piece of your sliver of the implant.
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And he says it is a metal metallic base with fee brown motion moving a cilia coming off of it.
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And then the doctor calls me all excited because it's the lab tech has seen it and told him the same thing and I guess the lab tech sent it to Southwest for that reason because it was so unusual.
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A lot of these things are reported as moving under their own metabolism or containing some sort of silly.
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Oh listen I studied a lot of them with Bill I mean Bill and I became close friends and we studied lots of the ones that Roger Lear was producing from here in LA.
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From the surgeries he did and we found one that was remarkable when it was in C2 in the person's neck.
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It was emitting a radio signal I'll get to the radio signal in this in a minute.
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You think that so yours it does it so I can tell you about it.
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Can you measure the radio signal because I just interviewed Bob McWire his girlfriend has an implant and he put like an RF detector overhead and can like measure the frequency coming out.
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And so do you do well do you think so.
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Let's not forget what I was just going to say yeah but yeah here's what happened at one point.
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Used to in the old days when it turned on my ear would turn bright red was very knows I'm a hearing noise in my head.
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It was trying to to reach to communicate with me and failing and that's why it was like that but I didn't know that at the time so I'm in Bill's office.
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We're talking about it and suddenly he says your ears turning bright red I said I hear it Bill it's on.
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He said let's go we run across the campus to a signals acquisition lab we get in the lab I sit on a stool in the middle and there got all this stuff going on.
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And after about 10 minutes it's cold now it turns off and the lab guys say we've got a signal.
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But we can't tell you anything about it because the lab's classified.
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So I think I you know I say to Bill I want to know signal is that well we'll send you some information of course they never do.
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Then the piece of the implant disappears from his office or is sent off to some other lab I mean I don't they were they were about.
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60% they were not totally reliable let me put it that way for me they were not telling me everything by any means.
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Twenty must plus years pass I'm doing a book signing in San Antonio all of a sudden two guys walk up.
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They say we want you to know Whitley I want to say I was one of the technicians who was who acquired the signal and it is the strangest signal we've ever acquired and it's still understudy.
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And they turn around and walk out going on and I never see him again I have tried every kind of RF meter there is to get that pickup that signal I've had.
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Pam operators and all kinds of people try to we can't pick up a signal you should do is a quantum and for amateur.
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I wonder if that's what they used to that lab I don't know what they have classified signals acquisition with a reason I say that is.
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Yeah maybe I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.
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I don't know we should change the subject so in 1989.
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This implant is is put in your ears what happens.
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The windows are open to main night is very pleasant night so there's no air air.
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She is on the windows are open and it's just going to sleep.
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I hear the crunching of gravel in the driveway okay I do not see any lights there's a big gate the place is pretty secure it's a shale driveway so crunching grab tie that means tires and nothing else.
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I think oh my god I have a shotgun under the bed an epistol in the side table I'm from Texas and I'm going to be gunned up at all times I mean just face it.
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So I start to go for the I have a bank of switches on the on the bedside that I can turn them all on it once and completely flood the whole area with flood lights they're still on the cabin by the way that's all still air.
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All I don't own the cabins owned by a wonderful family thank god and they let me come up so and bring friends occasionally anyway.
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I go for the switches but as I'm turning I see a woman standing at near the foot of the bed she's already in the room and a man beside her and I hear a voice in the backyard male voice go condition red.
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And then they run forward and instead of going for the lights I don't care about the lights I'm going for the shotgun the next thing I know I'm lying on my right side in the bed I cannot see I cannot move.
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And powerful hand is pushing my head down into the pillow and kind of wave motion and the woman's voice is speaking very gently and softly like you know it's okay it's okay just relax and the other and so forth.
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A moment after this happens the pressure is off I start to turn get out of the bed.
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As I do that there's a big flash of light crashing in the woods and I end up sitting on the bedside there's nobody in the room anymore the LEDs on the arm system are still armed red.
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So I grab the pistol I go around the whole house even up in the attic in the basement everywhere looking for a point of entry and there isn't.
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I end up sitting on the bedside what the shit.
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And I knew all about lucid dreams and I could hardly believe that was a lucid dream it was too lucid so finally I sort of lie in bed all night kind of like this you know waiting for the dawn.
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And I tell him the story and I said I just don't know what to make of it because there's no evidence whatsoever of this.
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Then I go out to get the paper which entails going out opening the door into the garage.
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Turning off the alarm system which is still on and getting in the car opening garage door and driving down about a mile away to get the paper I love the paper I still read actual physical papers and times in the New York times and.
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When I open the door into the garage the garage door is wide open but it's alarmed it's part of the system and the switches obviously completely tripped and the LEDs are right there bright red.
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And so I disarm it and I keep going I get into the car and I'm starting to go down any way to get them sort of on.
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So any semi automatic pilot I'm just getting out of bed I haven't slept the cars full of stack like you know shocking my hands run try to scare me I think only got the cars and can blow up I jump out of the car.
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And I go in I said and there's something's going on it it was real they someone came into the house and they didn't trip the alarm system and she says well.
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That I'd explain about the garage there's so we'll call the guy I forgot his name the alarm guy so I call him he comes over and he says there was a very strong magnetic field there and it's not my equipment all I can do is it the field was still there he could he measured I saw I'm measuring with the.
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Gals meter would go all just the needle would disappear he said all I can do is replace my switches which he did and we tried to get some information off of the alarm systems records but they were all garbled.
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So a couple days later it hurts starts to hurt and I realize I have the same plan and's fascinated she says listen let's see what it's there for I said I want to get it taken out I'm going out to L.A.
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Roger she says forget it you're not getting it taken out I want to find out what it is what it does I said well it's tracking me she says nobody cares that you go down to get the newspaper nobody cares about anything you do you're uninteresting I said well yeah true I mean I don't I mean I'm not the criminal or anything so I leave it in.
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And it turns on every once in a while.
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I was with a why do you think it turns on what he is trying to get the time I didn't know there was no connection what do you think now now it turns on when at the 3 am meeting and I go into this semi meditative state and I am.
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And I can feel it turns on I and I interrogated I say I'm writing on this I'm working on that it doesn't answer me in words but it answers me in all kinds of different ways including synchronicities where I will ask it for something you know when it first started that's kind of awesome.
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It's fabulous I would I have to tell you you just like an upgraded human exactly I that my wife was a very wise woman and I thank God she did not let me get that taken out it's the best thing I have in my life right now.
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But anyway I do and who do you have any speculation on who the two people were let me let me finish and I don't know who they were.
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But I do know some other people that are involved with the simple and this is a very surprising and fascinating story.
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I'm I'm I have obviously got people in my life who are on the inside and I'm going to respect their privacy I don't agree with their secrecy but I respect their privacy and you think they take a special interest in you they do definitely absolutely they they have for a lot of them known for a long time.
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I'm getting back to all the way back to Dr. Web. Yeah they knew what was going on they know some of them still do anyway.
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I think Sir Bacher had interest in what you went was it was it was a sir Bacher I mean I was like you go so that organic or was that he did you have an interest specifically in you.
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Oh specifically that's why you asked sir Bacher wanted me to write it all out. Oh wow. Yeah yeah that's something.
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So yeah so anyway this gentleman it's a wonderful gentleman you both know his name and I'm not going to say it because he also has a horrible temper and now you know exactly you're thinking you know who it is and I'm if you say his name I'm going to deny it plausible
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to deny ability okay anyway I can look at your facial gestures anyway he wants me to get a CT scan of the end plane and I'm eager to do this of course.
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I said well how am I going to do it he says I say because I can't go to my doctor and say I want a CT scan of my ear for no apparent reason and he says well I'll I'll calling.
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So I call the doctor the doctor I he says and then he calls me makes making appointment with him I make an appointment with him and he's all excited he says it's all set up you just have to go over the blow up go to the get and they'll do a CT scan of your ear and I go over to the power medical lab where it was and they they're very confused.
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A CT scan of your ear and then there's a person who comes there who they don't know who wants to be there and there's a little confusion and that's resolved finally and so they do it and I get it back and it's a wonderful about images of it it's a wonderfully clear perfect scan you see the thing clearly.
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However two days before this after I have agreed to do it someone somewhere got the idea apparently that I might get it agreed to have it taken out because I'm sure that's where from the CT scan the next step was going to be well we've got a CT scan we want to look at it.
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Now there is a certain knock on my door which I am not going to duplicate it's immediately recognizable and it's unusual I know this knock and it's come to me a few times both here in California and in other places I know that when that happens I'm going to open the door and I'm going to have a conversation with human beings with some people.
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It happens I open the door to men are there one of whom I have met a number of times one of whom I did not know who I suppose I always there's always a second one there and I always think to myself he needs a guard for some reason is it because he's being watched or because they're scared I'll go crazy or what is it anyway they come in.
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He proceeds to explain to me how the implants very nice man explains that it that it can can pick up and needed information and find it and draw me to it I said it's like synchronicity he says it's not a synchronicity it's actually guiding you to where you need to go to get the information and it's wonderful in that respect.
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All I have to do is think of something I need what information is to anything anything I need anything I need when you read the new book you're going to see a lot of stuff about genetics and stuff in it that I know idea about before I started writing the book but it's all there now do you think the two people who implanted it were human or non he they looked like people that's all I know I cannot tell you anything else about.
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I don't know clearly there was no there was no surgery it was just like no we agree there was no yeah there was no surgery there it just went through the skin so if they were people they were and and this business with this super high intensity free floating magnetic field we can't do that we can now we couldn't then you know I wonder if these are the the agents that Tim Taylor was talking about in his high right being or that if you talk to like people like Richard Dolan you know he'll say that.
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Like they're men in black phenomena is actually very real and that's like counterintelligence for the NHI for the aliens or something there's some kind of there's some kind of bleeding off there between the the presence yeah and the in us and it's got something to do with the D.O.D. I'm sure I'm sure it does but let's go back now to the incident.
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And to the two men coming into the apartment this was a just a few years ago so they explain to me the man explains to me that part of it and a few other things about our works and then he says it was invented by a man named Constantine Roddive and they leave and of course I immediately Google the name and I realize as I'm googling the name it's not
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it's not broadive he mispronounces it's Rodive a constant in Rodive was an expert in electronic voice phenomena electronic voice communication with the dead.
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No way with the dead with the dead to like it's a technological version of medium ship exactly it's technological medium ship and it's he said that he designed it am I wearing something that was designed by someone.
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Was dead and on the other side when he designed it or he did he design it before he died I don't know when did he live is he died in the seventies I think.
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But there's lots of on the internet about it is our are you D.I.V.
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I've tried to match up his patents or pictures from his work to and it looks I didn't I couldn't find anything.
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But I did find this but that's fascinating that you describe your your you know this heating up at night at the specific hour that's known historically to be when you commune yeah and it gets it's communion for you you're seeing that there's a there's a there's a there's a structure here it's not random.
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Also the other thing the implant does is opens up a slit in this I really it's more in this I now but it opens up a slit and you can see words racing through the slit too fast for you to read except occasionally and they all seem to be kind of nonsense words I mean their words their English words for the most part but they're not relevant to anything and I asked him about that and he said the man he said that's drawing up.
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Material from your unconscious that's relevant to what you're doing what you're working on and that this is why when I'm writing I can remember incredible detail about all kinds of stuff I've written 40 books yeah but this is this is recent this is after twenty fifteen I'm only about six books that said.
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So the thing came on start twenty fifteen twenty twenty nine nineteen ninety nine and started working on activating twenty fifteen but there's let's keep going here what is this guy know this about how it works that has a guy knocks on your door come and because he is obviously part of the same world we're sort of talking about that I think Richard don't it was a lovely brilliant guy has got something I think there is a break away civilization and we're talking about it right now interesting.
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So break away human civilization that is systematically sure look human to me fascinating now then what happens is I start telling my friends this story and I'm talking about it I tell one friend and he's asked me not to use his name I've specifically asked him if I could.
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Who says well yeah oddly enough I've had a slit like that in my eye for years I've often wondered in the words go through it you can't quite read I said you know I know what that is now and I explain it to him I said and he says well that's extraordinary because you know I he's written some books also but here's the weirdest thing he's one of the world's leading experts on constant raw of it.
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Now what what yes what are the chances that you know there's not chances it's an experiment it was bit been in him for longer than mine has been in me.
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Yeah where's a road of a what where's he from it he was from Romania okay let the wani or somewhere like that I don't recall off the off hand.
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But there's a lot and this the this guy live in your vicinity at all or is there you know any three line between you and him as to like why he received this as well outside of I guess being connected to a road of a there might be some kind of a through line I can't see he lives up in up in Marin County why do you think yours activated in 2015 why the delay my I'll tell you why I can tell you precisely.
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And this is just stunning but it's all part of this and I'm you know we're dealing here with something that causes unilaterally shock okay so let's just suck it up.
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After any past away it began to swing it began to work and I began to notice the slit and I was walking across the street one day and then bright sunlight the slits very obvious you can see it.
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And I think to myself who are you and the words slow down and it says very clearly coming across it's me and whoa wow so your life when she passed on you think she activated this to me activated it why and I think that woman maybe you all along.
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I do not and is a mystery wrapped in an enigma she is she is so yeah let's go into that you know what can I just say something on since I came up like I remember the first thing I ever watched on you and
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communion I remember like after I prayed for her because I just I could feel how incredible of a soul she was and I prayed that I promise you this happened I
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prayed that one day I find love like like with these old man you know when one of the visitors when I was in the abduction experience said to me you're the luckiest of a lucky I thought what brand.
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And then later I thought well I'm must you know I written communion and now I'm a big name but that wasn't it it was her it was finding Ann.
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What I'll tell you how I found Ann how do you find her well I lived was living in London and I liking when I spent a lot of time there.
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I came back to the States daddy got mad at me because I was supposed to go to the London School of Economics and instead matriculated the London Film School and a year later he found this out figured this out and got all pissed off and made me come home.
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And so I'm back in the States and I'm in New York and I'm trying to I want girls I mean I'm you know 23 or something I want a girlfriend I had girls in you in London now I
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don't have any girls so I go to singles bars and I've gotten a job dad said well if you're on your own now you got to find your work do your thing.
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And don't come back to San Antonio do your thing and so I got a job as a media planner and an advertising Benton Bulls advertising.
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And I'm looking for girls I'm going to singles bars and stuff and all the guys in the singles bars their airline pilots lawyers doctors.
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They're all media planning probably too it's the lowest of a low in the advertising business at least it was in those days.
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So I come from a father who's never lie never lie it's basic it's in your my blood so I'm not going to say I'm a doctor or a lawyer.
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I said I'm a media planner I was getting nowhere because I'm not the prettiest thing that ever
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Walk your mom Whitley and no no
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Yeah, I mean you know what I'll sell yourself you've been this you've been this you guys a bit you might be better in singles bars and I did I did not do what
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So I see in the village voices now Maranad just bring up aliens
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He goes you know that
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It's actually hailing yeah sorry
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So you're at to sit you going to the single bars and you go so I
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I give up on that because I'm wasting my money clearly and
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I see this thing in the village voice or something called mind mates
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And I think great my main problem has always been I want really smart girls because
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I want a girl I want someone who's really really really smart preferably smarter than me. I figure I'll try this
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So I try mine mates. I they send this packet with I spend it like two or three hours
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writing essays and filling out forms a very serious deal. I mean that really into this and
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Couple weeks later a list comes back and it's got like five names on it
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All of the names are the last names of fish are close to it
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Salomon and that there's
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Think what the hell is this and there's one name on it matters. This is not a fish
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And I think is it the fish are all fake and I actually was only sent one name when I was supposed to be sent five
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So I call one of the fish and she's real
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She is a fish. I mean she is trout or whatever was
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So I can't just hang up on her so I we have a date
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I figured no more fish. I'm gonna call the one that's not a fish
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She's the receptionist said or she's it she says she works in a certain place and as an avenue not fair from where I was advertising
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Receptions is sitting there with
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various things about her
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She looks up at me with these big brown eyes and I think oh god if only Ann Maddox looks like this girl
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I say I'm here to meet Ann Maddox
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We were not part again
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For more than two weeks for the next 45 years wow my best friend who I talked about earlier the first thing I did was take her down to Washington to meet him and his wife
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And he says to me with
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Don't let this one go and and always said I got the impromptu when he said that when he I told her he had said it
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And I said she said when I heard that I knew I was in
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I said you were in before that baby. I'm no way. I was ever gonna let you go
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She became my wife and and went back to school and got a
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degree in English literature to be my editor
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And you know I wrote seven novels before I published the wolfan and
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I got close with some of them
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One of them was so annoying that
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This agent calls me and says I'd like you to come over. I'd like to talk about your book
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I thought I said to Ann it's a big agent. I can deed an anodio or something
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Jeff Brown, I think his name was
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He was a big agent. So I'm very excited. I think finally I've got an agent. He go over to his office
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He sits down across from me and he says I just want to tell you
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That book was the most annoying thing I've ever read in my life
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It was called the searchlight horror and it's about this town where nobody can leave
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And everybody gets killed and everything in these bizarre accidents and every time you get into a character
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They get killed and that's what made the book so annoying and Ann read it and she said yeah, if we're he's right
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This is infuriating in fact, I'm not gonna finish it or come on to beat you up if I finish well
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Say and be here almost implying
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Before getting into describing her that there's something very special about Ann as far as her role in your life
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Above and beyond a romantic one weird stuff started to happen as soon as we were together like what well
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The fair I'm not sure this was the first thing that happened
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Hey here. I'll give you a couple of examples
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There was a we lived on west 55th street in Manhattan
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On three n eighth and ninth you cross
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Eighth and then you get to seven avenue and there's a little distance between
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Seventh avenue and Broadway and in that little area there was a
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Place we laughingly would call the horror store. It was a little
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Oh storefront. It's probably not there anymore and
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You would see every once in a while
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Attractive-looking young woman sitting in the storefront in a skimpy dress with her legs crossed and a green curtain behind her and
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We would pass it back and forth because we how haunted the bookstores that were then lined a man as an avenue
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And we would laugh and say the horror store is open tonight
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one night we're we're going home and
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And the chair is on its side the curtains flying back and forth in there and there's a guy
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Trying to in a brown suit trying to get out and he's being pulled back by these blue dwarfs
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And we watched this for a second
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what to hell and I say to Anne we got to call the police
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And you know there's no cell phones so we're not far from home. So we run home
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We're gonna call the police and
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She says what do we tell them
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And I think to myself we're gonna tell them that there's this place where these blue dwarfs are trying to kidnap some guy and
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Dragon behind a curtain
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Then that is not gonna work. I mean, this is New York City. I thought I thought to myself the police will come here
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They're not going there so we don't call the police
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We also didn't go by the horror store at night again
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That's one of the many things that happened many some of them were hilarious
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Your local shared reality with Anne was sort of divergent from the consensus reality that we all
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Precisely precisely that's fast because you know later these blue figures which played out
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I didn't remember at the time they played a role in my childhood. They've played a role in the whole experience in my life
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I'll tell you something else about
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Laurie Barnes was our secretary and
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Was reading she's getting we getting heaps and heaps of letters
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And I was saying you know, we can't throw them out because they're very private many of them
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They got people's names and addresses. What do you really do? Yeah, and just for context after community came out
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tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people were sending letters to
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Waitly's home because he left uh he left his address being like expecting you know
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Maybe and 20 people to send ends up shutting down the whole the post office in there in his town the
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Abduction researcher the pioneering abduction researcher about Hopkins who I pissed off unfortunately
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Um, but you know, that's sorry my life
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A good man was the one who said I should do that and it was very important
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Very important. So I want to just honor bud for that
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We've got these heaps of letters coming in and and I said I can't wait. What are we gonna do?
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I mean they're literally pouring them onto the on the living room floor and heaps
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Uh, she's I said oh can't I can't read these she said well, I can read them
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And she gets she gets her letter when she starts she was a speed reader she could sit down and she could literally read a big
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Complex novel in two hours easily
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She was really smart. She was smarter than me and that's exactly what I was looking for as I'm wanted to marry a genius and I did
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She's reading these letters she hires a secretary and then it'll come back into it in a second we're gonna have to go back to the blue guys
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At oi burns and they're working on the letters and they're all
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four or five thousand of were now at rice university in a in an archive called the archives of the impossible founded by Jeff
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Cryple and uh, so they're beautifully
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curated now they're so it's wonderful that they're there
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So she comes out of her office one day
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She says wittly this has something to do with what we call death
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The letters again and again will mention the dead in connection with the visitors
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And when we would have she would choose people to come up to the cabin
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Don't worry I haven't forgotten the blue guys yet
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Uh, and she would say this letter should this person we're gonna have them up to the cabin
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And when she would get these groups up at the cabin the visitors would show up wow
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She knew who to get sounds like analyst
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And did this and named the book communion wow and and and said things
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Like I asked and what is in lighten
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She says enlightenment is what happens when there's nothing left of you but love
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Kind of the opposite of today's day
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Well nowadays we think of it very intellectually yes, you know, it's it's informational
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That's so loud the like one of my favorite quotes that drive this quest as the high's formal knowledge is empathy
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Segways back to the telepaths
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Uh-huh you're not going to the hill unless you are yeah kind and you do not lie
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That that's the those are essential criteria
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So um she hires the secretary Laurie Barnes and they're working on the letters
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Here is Laurie's story and now we're getting back to the blue guys in this long complicated segway
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Uh Laurie's story is this is back in the 50s 54 where I think it was
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She's lying in bed at night alone her husband's up they were
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They were show people and he was on a gig
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She notices movement out of the corner of her eye she's reading it's about 11 o'clock 12 o'clock at night
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She's waiting for her husband to come home. She's pregnant and
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She looks up and there standing beside the bed is this horrible looking blue dwarf
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And behind it are the line of others just like it and of course she recoils
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It says to her do not be afraid we're not here for you
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We're interested in the girl child you're carrying
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And of course she's not
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Not made any more calm by that
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So we don't know what to boy or girl turned out to be a girl
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She I know her we've talked
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She's a very nice person. She has a lovely career. There's nothing about her
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It would say she's in any way an unusual human being except she's a very good sweet person and it does a lot of good in the world
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Okay, so this happens and she recoils
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From the creature at that point and it says to her why do you fear us so
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And she says you're so ugly
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And he says something now
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It gets to the way deep into the heart of this whole thing
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Says one day my dear you will look just like
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Laurie has passed on
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I have wondered if the little blue guy is going to show up in my life with
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But so far I haven't heard any sent any sense of her presence at all
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I do get the presence of a lot of dead people
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But I haven't heard from Laurie what what what were John Mac
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He's sort of legendary figures in the UFO world. What were they like because you knew both personally?
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Yeah, uh, well stanton was
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Stanton died basically running through an airport. I mean
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Stanton was the most driven human being I've ever known
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He would go anywhere. He would do anything. He would not stop
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And he was very coy about whether or not he had been activated by activated
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I mean you see a UFO up close or you have a close encounter experience you're activated
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You most people who that happens to
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They a lot of people don't remember it a lot of people can blow it off
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But there are certain people who just will not stop they will not stop and so that the UFO almost
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Installs in them some sort of driver mission to
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Disclosure or like an it installs within curiosity or it installs within them a burning question
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And they can't let that go
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It's a wonderful a lot of the people in this field are much more wonderful than the outside world realizes
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That you like you get a room full of close encounter witnesses together. They're all incredibly sweet and mild
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You think to yourself will agrees they're little in their fragile
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Of course they abduct people who are mild mannered right and children and children
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I'm very mild I should be on be as mild mannered as I am but I am very mild mannered
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um and was the one with the temper
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She could blow up in your face very easily and but Stan Friedman's to me always stood out along with John
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Mac is these guys who are
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Extremely rigorous smart and accomplished in their sort of day job roles, you know
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Max obviously head of the Harvard
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Psychiatry Department and then Stan Friedman was like this Westinghouse nuclear engineer, right? You know
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Lawrence Rockefeller who was passed on sadly and was very interested in as much as they annoy some other members of his family not all but some
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John Mac and Edgar Mitchell and
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Joe Lulz who's a UFO investigator from
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to his medway plantation in
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to just sit together and have a
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You know with our wives and significant others and just spend a weekend together
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And it was wonderful time and I got to know jay john better than that I had before what was that group like and
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What was Lawrence Rockefeller like and and John marrants was as Lawrence was a very
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He had a good heart and he was very curious and for whatever reason he knew this was real
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Yeah, I find that so fascinating that some of these elite families have such a deep interest in a lot of Lawrence Rockefeller
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Specifically in the 90s was trying to get it Hillary interested in this like right
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Yeah, the photo of her holding are we alone by Paul Davies right and it's a gift from Lawrence Rockefeller
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Who was trying to get her to warrant a disclosure and understand kind of the reality of non-human intelligence
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So so you got the sense that he he knew like it's like he didn't even use something Lawrence you something that's
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Was also a friend of Lawrence isn't you know, I tried to warm out of boots
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He's what the Lawrence knew and what they knew but she was quite coy about it
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She'd been turned on an interesting way she was in Mexico with Steven Greer
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And he called in the UFO and they all saw it
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So didn't didn't the Rockefellers both on John Mac and Steven Greer as well and the 90s I believe yeah
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And they funded the Princeton Parapsychology Lab which was studying mind of her matters
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So okay, it's what was John Mac like the sea he was well first of all we were both cut-ups when we were kids and played a lot of practical jokes and made
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bombs and did all kinds of crazy things you can't do anymore and
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So we had a lot to talk about we had loads of fun talking about our childhoods and
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He was a very very smart and
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He was too smart to be deceived by assumptions
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That defines his mind better when you were words than any I can think of
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He was too smart to be deceived by assumptions. I will never forget the day
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I got a call and he is practically in tears. He just had the ambush
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And he said they're going to try a Harvard take it Harvard. Yeah
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He was invited to a meeting it was actually an ambush
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And they're going to try to take away my license to practice psychiatry
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And they're going to try to take away my tenure
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And I said John, what are you going to do?
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There was a silence on me
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I never will forget time
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But they did do they went after it Roger Lear had the same thing happen they get went after him
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They tried to get get rid of him get they could raise license practice for that
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It's these show trials in Dr. Diane Powell of the telepathy tapes
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He's just going to miss John Mack when they're at Harvard together
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They've had offices down the hall from one another her medical license got revoked for studying
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There's two sides here
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The side of Galileo and the side of the Inquisition and let's face it
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It's very obvious that Dr. Powell
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Dr. Lear are on the side of Galileo and these other creeps are on the side of the Inquisition and they function like inquisitors
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Yeah, I always wonder is it's a hundred percent
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Amar and I were at the DC hearings, you know a few weeks ago
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And this just straight up
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Spook came up to us and in the hotel that we were staying at
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yells at us from across the hall
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Our friend Chris Ramsey who's an amazing magician from Canada who's gotten super interested in the UFO thing
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He's actually a world famous magician
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Kind of knows when people have tricks up their sleeves because a lot of you know
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The name he's made as a magician is actually debunking other magician's tricks or elucidating them and showing how they work
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And so this guy is provoking us trying to get basically get us to say that we're cynical about disclosure and like don't believe in UFOs and aliens by saying
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asking these leading questions saying you know, it's all bullshit, right?
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You know you guys just doing for content, right? You won't click. You want likes whatever
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And then Chris after he leaves is like that guy had his hand in his right pocket the whole time and was definitely trying to record you
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And anyways going back to this kind of establishment, you know
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scapegoater role versus the truth seeker innocent truth seeker
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I think about people on that side like that guy like what's your psychology like do you do you have any historical context for what you're doing
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Like if you if you're just persecuting people earnestly looking into you know truth like how do you live with yourself and do you have zero like
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metaphysical understanding like you don't think any of your earthly actions have any implications for what you do in the future
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It's all just you're expedient expediently allowing yourself with establishment force. You just want to promotion like like what do you think's gonna happen to you?
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You know, you don't want to do that because you don't want
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And we're anesthetized to our souls for a reason
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So that we can live free
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You know you definitely don't want a little lie in lies and you don't want to hurt other people
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Like and another thing Anne said
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I asked her what compassion was because I'm really interested in compassion. I want to be a compassionate man
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I want to be a good man and
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She didn't answer the question directly. She says each of us is all we have
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And that really went through me because
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You know when I'm on the street and I'm
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Someone's pissing me off
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I'm I'm I'm a driver in LA and there are
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There's the odd three-minute period when I'm not pissed off
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I always think of this
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And I'm face to face with someone I really don't like and don't want to be with
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This person is all they have
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It changes everything
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It's incredibly powerful
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It makes you into a better person just by knowing those few words and keeping them in your
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You know, that's power. That's word power of the first order. Yeah
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And we are all on a journey and I think it's
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Some you know, there's evil is typically depicted as being
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Consciously tyrannical evil you know sort of like mastermind evil often. It's just being unconscious
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It's just you know acting on sort of these primitive instincts that are as often the default and and emerges if you don't kind of consciously override it or seek virtue and
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I'll just need to look at ourselves. Yeah, she would always engage with almost people and stuff and and
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Yeah, and I I would say you know
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How can you know whether or not?
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You know, I always would she said just don't judge them
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Which ones can use your help in which ones can't
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Mm-hmm. Just don't judge them. Don't don't go there Whitley. Don't go to that part of your head
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You don't know why they're there out in the street
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It's not your business
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Speaking of which given that you read a book on Jesus
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Jesus has been sort of
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rewritten by the likes of Thomas Jefferson Steven Mitchell all sorts of writers yourself now
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What do you think most people misunderstand about him?
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Well a lot of things but the most misunderstood thing is in modern times is the resurrection
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Jefferson Bible takes it out
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It should not be taken out
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In Jesus in New vision I go into exactly why it actually happened and this gets way back to the beginning of our conversation
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When you mentioned that suffering
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Has something to do with these extraordinarily powerful states it activates something that happened to Jesus
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What happened in the tomb was a real thing and the book lays out exactly what happened because there's been
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Magnificent research done on it that's ignored because doesn't fit the paradigm
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He did come out of the tomb the team was empty when Mary right exactly
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Yeah as a light being and and the shroud
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Remember he said if you do not follow me
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I will return as a thief in the night
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And then and in Jesus in New vision I point out the time of that return
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It was 1898 when the first photographs was taken of the shroud that was the moment he returned
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And we saw him on the shroud
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The shroud is amazing and I think it was studied by like
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I know studied by a group of air force
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They claimed to debunk it but they only took a little piece of it or something
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I'll tell you the story I'm very close to this story. Yeah
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Well father Peter Renaldi was a friend of Anne's she had
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You know if you ever go to New York
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When you go to New York go down to LaGuardia place and between LaGuardia and
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House and Street and rather bleaker street
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Is 520 LaGuardia on one side and there's this beautiful park on the other side called LaGuardia Park
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If you go you'll see a statue of LaGuardia in there and you look down at the bottom of the statue
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And there's a plaque and all these famous
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Social people are on the plaque and so are the names and and Whitley Streeper
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And one day we lived in the building 520 LaGuardia place she was looking down there and she said you know
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I'm gonna turn that into a park
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It was just a place you know it was a druggy hangout and stuff and she said I said how can you do that?
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I visualized her going down there with a show
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She said well, I'm gonna do it and she called got all her friends going and got them networking
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And soon they had millions of dollars to build this park and to create the statue and permission from the city
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And there's the plaque there's the statue. It's a wonderful statue of LaGuardia
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The park is so burdened and full of birds and
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That's Anne I'll go I will go there
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Don't miss it. I'm like it's a
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Pilgrim again. I'm in my own next time on the
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Yeah, yeah, I love to meditate in that park now
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So what happens to Jesus is this in at least this I understand it
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Resurrection technique
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To do this in I retranslated the
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Sayings gospel of Thomas is he a thing. Well, he translates to me. It's easy. I mean, it's very simple
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Gospel of Thomas is remarkable. Oh, we're absolutely extraordinary
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What do you say to the people because what I'll argue all day with like conventional Christians where I'm like
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Think that book is really special and then they say oh is found
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You know, it was the first fall was written 150 years later after his death
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And it was found you know 1948 in this sort of you know
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The same the novelty or whatever the saying gospel of Thomas according to the
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The few scholars as the oldest gospel and they're probably right. Okay. So it's the oldest gospel
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Right the beginning of the of the story. Let's go to the thread of you saying that Jesus went to Egypt
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Technique in Egypt and technique is sort of the mystery
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Revolves resurrection
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And we're gonna get back to the part about the the discovery of the shroud and the work that was done on it
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I mean, I don't want to forget that and then we could quit. Yeah
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He then in effect becomes a magician at a time where in the Roman Empire of the Cornelian laws are in effect
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And they will kill you in all kinds of very very depressing ways if they catch you being a magician
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So it's very careful. That's why he tells people don't tell anyone that I'm doing this
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He understands something about the mind and my new book is all about this. It's about recovering this power
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Yeah, because we can all do this. I believe that and this is where I differ from the conventional Christians
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Jesus is in all of us
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Hmm that power is in all of us. He wasn't here to put himself on a petal
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He was here to say I am the son of man. I am a human being
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Well in the in the gospel of Thomas doesn't he take
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Thomas who's typically depicted as you know this Judas Judas says this like betrayer
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He's he takes Thomas aside and he whispers secret words to him. Yes, and so what is it? What are those secret words?
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Well, he doesn't tell but he the other disciples ask him
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What does he say and he says they say Thomas says
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If I told you you would stone him to death
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In the saying's gospel. He says don't believe me. I'm not a teacher
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He says go out among the Gentiles and eat the food you're given
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To a total revolutionary what he's saying is
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Leave your ego behind and be you your real self and it doesn't matter
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Everything depends on this do anything to find yourself
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It goes all the way back to the Delphic oracle know thyself
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And this is also the word the core word of Jesus know thyself and the kingdom of heaven is within you
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And all around you and all around you but find it
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Be his little children
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What what's the other gospel Thomas quote it's um
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If you look up the birds will proceed you if you look to the sea that the fish will proceed you the kingdom of heaven is within you
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Right and the great poetry of being is there. Yes, it's a poetry of being it's so it's fascinating and and we I you know, I just interviewed doc
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Who he kind of traces back the origins of these sort of esoteric
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versions of religion that he thinks all kind of bound together in this kind of dramatic lineage
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And he talks about the festival of said and the Egyptian magical pyrrhi where you have these sort of you know secret brotherhoods in Egypt
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Very interesting. I did not know that I want to talk to Carl about that
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Don't know him well. I sent him an arc of my new book and that's an advanced reading company of my new book
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I haven't heard back yet from anyone. I sent all my friends that arc. I sent it aegna sent it to Robert Bigelow
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who I don't I know but not well and
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I sent it to Jacques Flau and Leslie Cain who is a close friend and of course Jeff Kriple and
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Hal who'd off has been a friend since forever. I mean we've been friends since I was like it since I was about
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We've been friends for over 30 years since how old were you well since the community experience?
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Let's go to the Shroud of Turin because I have a friend named Randall Carlson works a lot with Graham Hankock incredibly smart
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Just super rigorous. I would not do justice to his
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But he has all sorts of prints first principles arguments as to why the Shroud of Turin is absolutely real
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It is he's probably right. Okay. Here's what happened
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A father Peter Renaldi who and knew
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calls us up one day calls are up one day and says I want you to come to a meeting
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We're having a meeting about the Shroud of Turin. Would you be interested?
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And she of course says yes, we'll come and I said what is the Shroud of Turin
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She said well, let's go to the meeting. We'll find out
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We go to the meeting and it's with Jackson and jumper the two guys who are
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They're fundraising or the initial studies and
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I never meet them. I mean I talk that you know it's in a fundraiser context
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But I never would like become friends or anything with him
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So we contributed as much money as we could afford to it a few thousand dollars and we follow it
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and they do their stuff and it's all in the papers and then I hear
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That material has been taken from the Shroud and it's going to be set to Oxford
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And I write father Renaldi a letter do not do this
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Defend their paradigm. They will why without knowing it
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And they do very that very thing
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They say the Shroud is from the middle ages
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They destroy the research, but it doesn't end
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Because this is humanity and there are other people in the world who have a better
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Grasp of the truth here they can feel the energy and other scientists and now
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Jesus and New vision sums up where they are and where they are as you can't deny it anymore if you're a real scientist
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The Shroud is the single strangest thing on planet earth and it is that way
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Because it records the moment a human being whose body had expired
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Transformed into a being of light. What makes you think it's real?
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Uh the weave of the cloth the pollen's found on it all place it in exactly that place. Yeah and time the
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Could not have been produced by almost anything except a sudden burst of neurons
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And remember the rending of the of the curtain in the temple in the earthquake
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That was the moment of the resurrection
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It's a tremendously powerful event a burst of nerve burst of of energy
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That involves a new trance involves of it involves an expression of a burst of neutrons and that's what
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Burned the image into the Shroud and that's the whole thing of like maybe that intense suffering
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It cried all the way back to the in that kind of electromagnetic the neutron burst and then you're in there
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I was always ancient art depictions of like
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Saints and holy figures
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Traveling up in this kind of cobblistic like bubble envelope thing like this. Yes. The lestual ascents
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Vehicle America the vehicle or whatever wheel of Ezekiel, you know
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The whole theme of this conversation it goes back to what you just said
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We've been talking about
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The power of suffering in all kinds of different ways over the course of this conversation
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And now here we are coming to the end of it and we're talking about the ultimate moment
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That the power of human suffering was expressed into the world by Jesus
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In his resurrection and this is where we have to go
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We have to go back to an understanding of that which is also an understanding of ourselves and face the hardest thing of all
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Which is this place is a miracle
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It is a whole mirror this whole planet is a miracle and that's why all of these
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Unmuraculous but fascinating creatures are cut are going around here and why they do not want us to kill ourselves off
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On that now I just makes you want to go pray on it like I would that's definitely what I'm gonna go do
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Which do this prayer session after yeah, yeah for sure
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I can't think of a better note to end on
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Yeah, well, we really appreciate your time. This was awesome. Oh, thank you. I'm so glad it was such a pleasure to be here
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You guys were really fun to be with thank you someone right back at you man you got a lot to say and I
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Hope that the world understands how profound
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Your messages your experiences are well in time
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I probably I probably have become a shade by then but nevertheless they will well
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You look great now, so I feel great too. I bike 10 miles this morning
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That's incredible. Yeah, I do it. I do it three times a week or swim or go to the gym
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I'm a very active guy physically good for you man. Well, okay. Well, thank you. Well, I appreciate it man
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