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After one of the hypnosis sessions, Betty drew from memory a sketch of a star map that
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her guide or the leader aboard the UFO showed to her.
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Actually it was not a two-dimensional map at all, but a three, more like a three-dimensional
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I don't know if there's an opening in the wall or just like, but all of a sudden his
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the map, it didn't pull down anything like that.
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And it was probably about two by three feet.
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And it was almost, it was so realistic, it was almost like looking at the sky.
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And even some of the objects even seem to be slowly moving.
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He asked me if I knew where we were on the map, and I told him no.
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And he said, well, if I didn't know any basic information, then it would be impossible
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for him to show me where they were from.
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And with that, he put the star map, pushed something and the map was gone.
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The two largest stars appeared to be just objects in the foreground, therefore they showed
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And these appeared to be the base stars.
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There were heavy lines running between these two stars, indicating heavy traffic trade
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In fact, the leader explained it that way.
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There were solid lines going out to several other stars where they apparently traveled
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and then dotted lines or dashed lines going to others which were remote outposts, one
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visit to these stars or less frequent visits.
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Years later, Marjorie Fish and Ohio School Teacher decided to take the star map and to
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see if it matched reality, to see if there really was a 12 star pattern like this in the
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Now, later, in the research of the star map, I was contacted by a school, at that time,
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she was a school teacher by the name of Marjorie Fish in Ohio.
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We wrote back and forth several times and then she said she'd like to come here and talk
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to me in greater detail about the star map.
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She spent several days with me, asking numerous, numerous questions.
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And when she went home, she started building models.
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She took boxes, strings.
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She started out and she put our solar system in the middle and started working out so many
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So over a period of six years, she built three-dimensional models of the Sun's neighborhood of stars
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moving ever outward.
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And when she had finished, she had almost all the same stars in the same pattern that I
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had in the star map except two were missing.
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And so she wasn't able to complete the research until our astronomers found these two stars
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She had expected, in the beginning, to come up with a random, you know, easily duplicate
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random patterns that they would show up quite often, looking like Betty Hills.
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But that was not the case.
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She didn't find any until the sixth year.
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And she discovered it by lying on her back on the floor, looking up at an odd angle,
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a whole 12-star pattern flashed into view.
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All the stars have been identified and making it even less likely that this is a random
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All 12 stars that are hooked up by solid lines or dashed lines turn out to be life candidate
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They have a spectra that are very similar to our own Sun.
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They are good candidates for planets and the planets in turn would be good candidates
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So what is the likelihood of finding 12 stars connected in this manner, in this huge volume
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of space with 100 or more stars?
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And only these are the life candidate stars in this volume and all of them have been connected
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as if visited by these intelligences.
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October 14, 1969, Margaret Fish speaking.
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I think probably the best way to answer your questions is if I send you the material as
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I have only a few copies and I would like it back after a bit.
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But this way you could go over the material and decide for yourself what the questions
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are that you want to ask and with you go over more of it in much more detail than rather
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than starting from scratch.
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There's quite a bit of material.
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I'm a rotten seller.
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But I've done more writing in these last, well, this last year than I think I've done
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Much of the material is highly technical, but I'll explain anything you have any questions
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You have a chance to talk with me on it.
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There's still a lot that I haven't put into writing, but the writing hits most of the
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high points of the research.
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As for the books and materials used, I was using the Star catalogs that are used at the
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observatories for the positions of the stars and the parallel access.
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I have the complete rundown of all the available parallel access that I know of, the EO Tricometric
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Parallax catalogs, the bright star catalog, the EO Tricometric Parallax catalogs, supplement
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from 1962 and the Glycy catalog.
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I was using the Glycy catalogs for the most part and you'll get a chance to see these.
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The data was very, very hard to come by.
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The material is, well, just isn't normally used by lay people, and so it just is not
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available in libraries.
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I wrote to a number of universities and I went to observatories and I went to planetarians
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and very few people had the catalogs and practically no one were allowing anyone to use them
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or even look at them.
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Finally, at two years after I started trying to get this data, I was able to get into the
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Perkins Observatory to the kindest of the librarian and she allowed me to look at them.
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I found which catalogs I needed and probably copied the data because again, I wasn't
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supposed to be here and do a very kind letting me in and they've been very kind since then.
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Practically rolled out the red conflict and it's just maybe still marvelous because I've
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had this terrific time getting them updated.
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As for the textbooks or sources of material to determine which does, could have plants
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or flies, those were listed, well, parts of them were listed in that list that I gave
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you at the meeting as you picked up one of those.
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Saga's intelligent life in the universe and of course he's a radio astronomer and quite
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highly thought of in that field is one of the most accepted on the astronomy part.
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Hushu Huan has done a review of his book and he recommends the astronomy part although
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he doesn't go along too much with the extraterrestrial part.
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Another might as based on the secondary part of the book just on the straight astronomy.
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Tricia off would be the most controversial.
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He's a member of the Royal Astronomical Society but he has quite a bit of speculative data
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but he labels it as such and gives the pros and cons to his data as it goes along and I
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thought his ideas were quite interesting although I found some flaws in some of them.
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There's quite a few textbooks out now on Esobiology mostly came out after 1963.
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Stephen Dole has one, I actually two out, one published with Saga Gasmoth and I paid,
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I'll have to look up his first name, has one out and all those quite a few others.
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And there's nothing particularly controversial over these, pretty much boils down to that
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a star like the sun is going to have planets like our own or could have planets like our own.
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So you need a star within a very close range of the sun and it would have to be a single star
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or generally speaking.
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Some controversies on whether they could be double or not but I was working strictly
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with these single stars.
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The question on the margin of error in the stars, it would be at most when the model was
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first made and the picture is taken, a hanging error of half a light year but I doubt if
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there would be anywhere near that much.
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Assuming that the parallax measurement that the astronomers took was correct.
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Now as the star is close to the earth the parallax measurement is much more accurate as it gets
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further out towards the 32 light years.
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The measurement gets further and further off between the different catalogs.
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When you get out to 100 light years you've got quite a margin of error but I'm trying
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to get to 200 light years, you better forget it.
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Go to some other kind of measurement, rather than the trigonometric phyllax.
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To the most of the stars, they're very close to one catalog to another with just a
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part of a light year difference in their measurement.
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A few of them are two or three light years difference.
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The unfortunate thing is that the base star is that it would be one of the ones where
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there's quite a bit of difference in the different catalogs.
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The latest published measurement would put it out to around 38 light years.
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So when I was using before I got that measurement and when the model was made, I didn't get
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that measurement entirely that model was made, but was at 38 light years, which is the
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Cape parallax from Africa.
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There's a spec, if my interpretation is correct, that either the Cape parallax or some
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way about halfway between the two is the their actual distance out.
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Gleasy parallax for that particular star is farther out than that, too.
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And if it is as far as the greasy catalog states, I would say the probably the pattern
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No, quite what to say about publishing because I really wasn't intending to do much in
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the way of publishing.
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I have quite regards before and I really enjoy talking with Mr. Ness.
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But I made the report basically for April as an April member and I want to give him a
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Dr. Stanford and I have been in communication.
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He's been pretty busy and hasn't had a chance to do too much with it yet.
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And he may not understand quite how I placed the stars in the model.
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Dr. Mitchell of Perkins asked me to come down and show him just how I did it because he
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was teaching a class in stellar mechanics and he wanted his students to see the model
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and to go over the placement idea to have some basic idea on how it was done.
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Send you the inflated sweater that more or less confirms that the model is at least reasonably
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He has been very kind.
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Not mean that he agrees with my extraterrestrial theory of youth or because my work at Perkins
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Observatory has been basically a strictly astronomy and I've gone over it with him but I
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didn't put him on the spot by asking him what he thought of it.
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Kind of a catchy situation.
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As I mentioned before it's very hard for an amateur to get into an observatory in the
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research part and I wouldn't want to do anything that would embarrass the people.
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Who are kind enough to let me in and to help me fully and accord with you and that I don't
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want to get into the pulp magazines.
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And we say I wanted it basically for after all I also had sent material to Dr. Heineck who
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I think is a fair and impartial judge.
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I don't know if he's reading it or not.
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He was very kind and having an associated answer some of my astronomy questions.
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However, me to one of them had read the report very carefully but it was very long and I
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could see why they might not.
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I also want a copy to go to Jack Valley if I can never get in touch with him because he
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was the one who first got me interested in UFOs.
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The SSIC, these were the only ones that was really interested in getting the report to.
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Not even completely sure that it should be generally made public because it's a lot
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easier to read through the contact reports and you have some basic idea of what's going
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on and which ones can be reliable and which ones aren't reliable.
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Since contact reports are so interesting and since you seem especially interested in
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them, what's one of these you can help me out in one particular asset.
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I remember vaguely reading of a contact report where the contact he said that they had
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claimed they had visited 40 different worlds.
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And if my mapping theory is correct, this will be approximately how many of you may have
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I can explain this more to you later too but right now they showed about, between a
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40 and an 8th of the sky area and there were 10 stars, the side of the base stars so 40
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would be approximately correct if they were visiting in the other directions also.
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Try to find this report.
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I've got so many reports but I get all sorts of different kinds of materials.
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Some of it is extremely poor, some of it is pretty good.
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I do subscribe to the find us or use the New England so I know what you mean about
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Do you remember any contact reports where 40 different places were mentioned?
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There are two parts on the astronomy parts.
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Trying to develop this at Perkins as much as possible and then let them carry it through
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if there is anything in it.
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It needs to be carried out to the 65 years at least to make sure that this star roofing
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is not just a neighborhood quirk and is actually what is happening out in space.
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Through cities, groupings of like stars in a catalog would be very difficult and I'll
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explain that to you in star placement in the catalog.
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I am planning on building possibly two models out to 65 light years.
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One of the just the stars better than the absolute magnitude of plus 7.5 and the other
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would have all the stars and not as a thousand stars.
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Actually a thousand systems, many of these are double stars.
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And this raises problems and hanging them because your lines are getting so close together
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if I would use the same size base which means I should go to a larger base and it creates
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other problems and handling anything that large.
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If there are problems with the lines tangling so I am going to have to work out some ideas
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on this before I actually go ahead and start it to be turning the tape over now so we
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will have at least some leaders here and talent still rather self-conscious as a paper
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And I am working on is all the stars that could have plants with life are 200 light years.
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I have the 65 light years listening down although I am rechecking it with the double star
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catalog to see if any of these are such a scapig binary as it weren't marked as such
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in the other catalogs.
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Markings for binaries are quite often found in the footnotes and sometimes the footnotes
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are not as accurate as they could be.
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Sometimes too the person is writing the catalog isn't interested in that particular aspect
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and doesn't mark it as such.
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And so you may think you have a single star that is really a double and first the
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doubles aren't nearly as likely for life.
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Listening at stars and the models should take at least a full winner if not a couple
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years because I am setting for scratch for the 100 light year model.
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Again I will have to explain some of these things when we get together and I can show
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you the catalogs themselves and what it entails.
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I am not going on radio but I have carried it for the time being.
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I am not very keen on public speaking.
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In fact the talk before the acting group as I mentioned before was my first real voluntary
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The teacher sometimes I have to do something.
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The teacher sometimes I have to do something.
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But I took out of it every time I possibly can.
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After a dozen that I would probably go to a fuller or a net side of that important.
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I said before I don't want it to get in the wrong hands.
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I was basically any adapt the people could understand me started it.
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Because I don't want it except the face value.
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This is why I was so tickled to get your letter because you are the first one of all
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the groups that really wanted proof and this is what I want.
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I want someone to actually examine it to give their opinions to try to tear it apart
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and see what makes it tick and see if they can find any flaws with it.
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I have gone over it with a fine tooth comb.
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I have checked the stars in the basic pattern in the double star catalog which just came
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I just got it a couple of weeks ago and found any flaw in it.
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The two stars with the line was a little bit shorter.
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I consider it shorter than Betty had drawn on her net which I think is because they were
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large jumps and you could see they were large jumps.
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So she made a line long instead of the short lines that they show from her particularly
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Again if you could take the net and actually see the model and though I don't have my
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model anymore because I am giving it to the Ohio State University or if I can anywhere
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leaving it to a doctor on the tail of the station where he went down with it.
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My niece has made one for science fair project and you forget a very good idea for a net.
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The fact that it is not easy to make a pattern similar to Betty's map and how it be a
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logical pattern the judge for yourself and you actually do it.
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Written in the report is long, roundly and repeated self quite a bit.
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I had originally intended just to make the star catalog and then I decided to be able
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to pay John at giving what the abbreviations are.
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I must have drawn them as well as automatically until it not really needed there.
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And then I thought well I better have a period of get ready to explain how I did the
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So I am paid by page not necessarily in the order which they are now equipped.
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And the writing of it took over, well I started it in February and I didn't finish with
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the name part of the menu of get ready until June.
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And since then I have been adding pages that I have been duplicating in the copy machine
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at the Bowling Green Library or all in all it has been written over a period of nine months.
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These things were suggested by some teachers who were rather interested and let it be
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in them to understand so they wanted a little more explanation.
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And so I added these but it still is not particularly well organized.
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It kind of has to dig to get the information for quite a rough draft and I am not intending
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to write a book or anything.
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The rough draft is going to be it.
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I just was not made for publication.
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It was made strictly as a research project for Apple to do what they thought best if
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they ever act on it.
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And I was feeling eventually they will.
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I have had some communication from them recently that they consider it and it looks quite promising.
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They understand how the models put together.
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It's really not that hard to do and it would make an interesting project for anyone interested
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in astronomy or interested in knowing all the new studies do fit together.
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My qualifications to do this research I have had one course of an astronomy in college
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about 20 years ago which does not amount too much except it did show me star placements.
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I am quite interested in it since childhood but my main interest is in biology and anthropology.
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My degree was in sociology.
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I went back from a teaching credit plate.
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I also had what were among the two pre-med course with great interest in biology.
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The passion and anthropology makes me forology so interesting when you consider how many different kinds of cultures there might be
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and add to this a different biological background which could lead into even more complex and far reaching cultural differences.
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Prospects are highly intriguing to say the least.
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I don't know what to do about this right now.
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I don't want to be an imprint for a while yet until I have the chance to have them do some of the checking on it.
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I hope I hope I hope.
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I wouldn't care if your friend heard the tape but I wish she wouldn't printed it at this moment then.
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I would say that I have a bit of speculation but where it is speculation in this market is such.
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Being speculation, this quarter may or may not be true and any reason that it is not true I would gladly accept and toss it out.
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It is just thought for mulling over and working with and possibly letting some other ideas come up.
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The astronomy data however is as accurate as I can get it.
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There might be some copy errors where I would have a catalog number inverted or something like that which happens in the best of catalogs
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and doing my best to find these and change them but as a result they are checked and rechecked.
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I don't think I have any to worry about the strictly astronomy data.
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I will see you later then.
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I am clearly March FUS.
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Yes, I have already.
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While I was waiting for the astronomy data I tried to check out some of the more far out aspects.
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I went into hipnotisms with whatever material I could get a hold of and read quite extensively in the field and tried experiments in it to see exactly what could or could not be done.
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Also automatic writing and the experiments with polypathy and other ESP matters.
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These experiments of course are not nearly as extensive as the astronomy data and really don't prove anything.
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I think rather interesting as far as indicating what might be done for further experiments.
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They are certainly not conclusive.
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I originally had no intention of including any of this data in the report because it does sound a little far out but probably for completeness that ought to be in.
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Just finished reading Dr. Swinkel's article on useful perceptions in the latest flying saucer review special.
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So then to the more far out aspects I thought he might be interested in the research that I done in this area.
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So I'm sending him a letter explaining what I discovered and also since he knows that he has already would be interested in the proof that the report is accurate.
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I'll include a copy so that you can read it.
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As I say this isn't the same quality or certainly isn't definite.
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The research compared with the astronomy data because of its controversial character I would not normally have included it.
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There are several things I didn't mention about my talk at Akron.
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One was I only got through about half of the data.
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I had ready to present there and I'd be glad to go over the rest of that data with you if you're interested.
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Much of it again is rather technical but has have a way of importance in reading through contactee reports and judging which one could be or which one is definitely our answer.
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If there is any chance of your reading the chapters in the Sagan's intelligent life in universe before we meet just the chapters on star formation and which could have planets and planet formation.
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He's right up this is fairly clear and I think you might have a better understanding of what we're going into.
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This is October 19th 1959 in Archbishop.
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I received your vote tape and your letter.
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Thank you very much for both.
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After listening to this letter you may decide I'm too much of a coup d'oeuvre any further and perhaps you're right.
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My interest range from 8 to Z, anthropology to zoology including archaeology is astronomy art and I do sculpture and drawing.
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I bought me chemistry physics and photography I do my own dark room work and every new media and art must be tried out and I use things in areas where they aren't normally used.
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I found that the body auto body plastic works marvelously for sculpture but the aluminum plastic doesn't.
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So things are always in a mess one way or another.
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Naturally I want my work recognized and respected by leaders in the field and want the knowledge gained to be used.
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But that's the whole purpose of the research I don't want publicity.
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I chose the people the copies are meant for with care.
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April SSIC, Heineken Valley are not going to jump at announcing the findings until a careful check of them made.
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Most of these people either have astronomical background or resources in the field for checking the only problem is getting them to really look at it and check it out.
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This has proved much more of a problem than I realized.
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With a claim like mine I had expected them to become at least intrigued enough to try to disprove it.
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Then become interested enough to try to follow it through when it could not disprove it.
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I'm sure the data within reasonable limitations.
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I had assumed that everyone in the field wanted to know where they came from.
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I put in cross references and extra data so it could be spot checked in a matter of an hour or two and thoroughly checked in about two days point by point.
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The model could be built and checked inside of a week.
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Everything I've done can be checked.
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Since I've worked out all the methods these could be followed and re-done are easier than the first time while the method of attack had to be worked out.
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Stereocatalogs were used for cross checking so things missed by one would be clapped in the next.
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Actually for an astronomer spot checking is very easy if they would take the time.
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Once it is checked Apple could take the credit and the headaches.
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After I was running a contest for the best research that you got to find at the memorial.
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Mr. Greenwell wants me to enter but I disqualified myself as Dr. Hainik as a judge and I wrote him before I knew that.
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For help in the astronomical question.
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I wrote Hainik and told him I was disqualified myself so that he could answer the question.
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So I had started the research years before and will be continuing it for years after probably.
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It was made of my contribution to Apple research and not as a money-making project. Not that I couldn't use the money.
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Apple was finally rolling him somewhat anyway. I'm checking.
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I offered to take the material to Dr. Stanford in person this summer and talk it over with him but he was too busy at the time.
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This would have been the longest trip I've ever made. He said it was all right to come to him.
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Dear Greenwell has talked to Dr. Stanford over at the phone and said that he thinks it's very promising.
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Dr. Stanford on the spot too. I'm afraid I bugged that for quite a bit.
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Betty asked him about it too to get it rolling.
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A copy minus the UFO data was left at Perkins but I didn't think that any professional astronomer would be interested in that part.
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But Dr. Mitchell was. He asked me down to explain the model and I took the UFO material over with him also.
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Although he's not a UFO buff. He listened. I have expected to get tossed out on my ear and gave me much help on my questions about the methods of solving problems.
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Galactic coordinates. I use celestial sphere coordinates and so forth. Dr. Heinrich worked at Perkins in the past.
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Now I don't know if he and Dr. Mitchell are acquainted but he still probably has connections to Perkins.
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A technician with the last name of Heinrich is at Perkins now. He might be a center nephew.
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In any case, professional astronomy is a tight group. With most astronomers knowing each other at least by reputation.
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I asked Dr. Mitchell to send a note to Dr. Heinrich. His honest opinion of the efficacy of the model.
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I don't know if he'll do it. Quite that they asked. But he wrote me saying that he did not find any errors.
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There probably are slight ones now as the models had pretty rough treatment. I was out there in that July 4th tornado weather and it was been taken apart three times in the cat's a minute.
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It was knocked over once and the strings maybe stretched a little bit on a few of them.
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It won't be enough to throw it off very much but it should be a little from what it was when the pictures were taken.
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The trade work and visit other observatories and I'm hoping panic leader has to come to Ohio State on business or to visit his relative or I'd be intrigued.
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In any case, I hope he gets a chance to look at the model. Either Dr. Mitchell or I could explain that he's patterned to him.
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So there's still some hope in that quarter.
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An announcement through astronomical channels would make much more of an impact than any other way.
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I'm also hoping to chip away astronomically by sending the 65 light-year list of stars most likely to have planets with lights to Sushu Hoon, a Stefan Dole and possibly Carl Sagan.
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These men have all worked on the problem of extraterrestrial life from an astronomical scientific angle.
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But as far as I know, no one has worked out the stars at far are broken them into groups based on probability as my listing has done.
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These also have been checked and rechecked. Sagan presents a problem as oddly enough he's prejudiced against UFOs.
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This may work our favor if he's reasonably fair, although I've heard he may not be.
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If I can get him interested enough or not enough to try to find flaws in the data and he can't and says so, his word as a respected scientist and is going to a opponent to UFOs will carry more weight.
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I found a few flaws in his work and that just might get him mad enough to want to find some in mind.
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Another way the model may get recognition is through the astronomical society of the Pacific.
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It is respected by astronomers all over the world and it's data is used in their research papers.
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If they would publish the methods of making the model and the model is accepted as accurate, the later release of Betty's pattern would carry much more force with the data.
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The more force with the astronomers and almost force them to examine it, the more things to be done yet.
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If you are to complete my revision of the 32 light year catalog with more extensive footnotes and cross-referencing and the additional stars found since 1957,
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I also want to correct the data to the enum list that Peter Bandykamp has just put out in the astronomy astronomical society of the Pacific book in February.
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I have the older data, there isn't too much change, just a part of light year and several stars and the two new stars, but I want it as up to date as possible.
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I want to extend the catalog of stars possible for life to 100 light years, which means actually a complete revision.
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Then I want to make a model of these stars to 100 light years.
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Two models of stars out to 65 light years need to be made too.
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One of these would take in all the stars out this far, there are thousands systems, or very near a thousand systems.
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One of these models would just have the brighter stars because this could be done much quicker and then I can check out Betty's background stars to see if we can place them exactly.
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This would give more proof that her pattern is correct.
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However, I don't really expect the exact ground stars to be as correct as the stars with the lines to them because the ones with the lines to them were the ones that her attention was really drawn to.
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Because I will need cooperation from the astronomers and premature publicity could cut it off.
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I must ask great discretion. Most catalogs cannot be bought, they are sent to all the observatories.
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Professional astronomers get them, but the amateur has trouble unless proof is needed and then hope and wait and hope.
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The user takes months to come. I was probably in the street and reporting it at all at the FSI-C meeting.
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When I first asked to report my finding gas spring, something I've never done before because I dislike public speaking.
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I was excited about the things I learned in the seconds, looking highly applied to the model and thought the groups would like to know.
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Betty's pattern had not been definitely placed at that time.
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But the FSI-C is discreet and careful in the reports and would be very unlikely to broadcast it.
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At least I hope not.
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I'm especially hoping to get into the hands of Baker and Palmer, Mosley, Stegger and John Kiel.
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I've checked the claims of Kiel on several points and found they were not what he said.
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I thought he was often mistaken, but at least since he was scared first.
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Now I feel otherwise.
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I would like to get it in the hands of objective critical researchers who like yourself to be in proof can act on it, but keep it confidential until the basic work is done and verified by after or others.
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My unsupported claim should not be accepted at face value. This worried me a bit about the FSI-C meeting.
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I had quite a bit of technical data that I thought would be of interest to critical researchers in evaluating contact E-reports and to give additional information on my research showing data limitations and so forth.
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I was going to show it after the meeting. It's the kind of proof I would have demanded.
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But Mr. Conduso did not think that anyone would be interested.
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We didn't have time for it anyway, but that's not interested. It worried me.
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I do a great deal of reading in many different fields, correlating data that a person interested in just a few fields might not notice.
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I also had expected to find several possible groups like Betty's parent out of 188 plus random systems.
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I thought he's got you would expect by several similar patterns.
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And thought people would like to check it for themselves. There's only one that really fits, but this was unexpected.
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It should be made up of stars most likely to have planets with life is the strongest proof that that is met represents reality that we have.
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When I started this research I did it because it had not been done and I thought it should be checked, but I didn't really expect to find anything.
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Also I wanted to know what was out there.
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I had expected people to want to see an Ashley Judge for themselves, hence the individual duplicated map.
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When I went into conflicting information I usually read both sides carefully, then read out an experiment, test it, and then decide for myself, which is the correct one.
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This is why your questions are most welcome.
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I wanted to let responsible people know so that if anything happened to me like a car accident, I have a long drive to work in the back of reading.
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And he worked with that last. Also it helps to indicate that he who I greatly admire.
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Rather interesting point is the people I have expected to be most interested in finding out proof, the lowest to act and seem least interested.
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While those that aren't even interested in the youthful feel or the ones that have given me the most help, I am quite familiar with the State magazine.
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I get it fairly often, especially when I have what looks like an interesting youthful article.
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I read a great deal in a youthful feel even though some of it is pretty far out.
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I read it so that I know how to comment to people that could talk on these articles that you know aren't true.
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You at least have some way of answering them when you read it.
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I have written a flying saucer review trying to get Valis Agress. I have tried to reach him through his publishers and through Dr. Heineck, through forwarding mail at Northwestern University and through flying saucer review.
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Apparently he isn't interested in, he doesn't care to be reached at the present time.
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I'm not as surprising because it was very kind when I first was interested in the youthful feel and it was because of him that I first got started in the field through reading anatomy of a phenomenon.
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Sincerely, large fish, large fish speaking, pure Richard.
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I have a few corrections and additions to the talk that we had last Sunday.
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The main correction is several times when I spoke of a particular two when we were talking about the map and the numbers that you had drawn on the map.
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I spoke of it being reticulum two because I was looking at your number two and I meant reticulum one which was your number two.
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I was very confused and I'm sure that twice I said reticulum two and I knew that in some of these contexts of what I was talking about but I meant reticulum one.
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I think it was because I was looking at your map which must have had number two at the reticulum one star.
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Another error was when I said that 107 Pisces was a G star, it is a K star, a range is from K-O to I think K-2 depending on the source of the information.
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Actually, a bright star is in one of my group one stars.
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Other than that, the speech stands pretty well.
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I had some other answers from the letters since I spoken to you and the most important one came from Mrs. Apple who is Dr. Hinex assistant.
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She wrote to give me more information when I sent in my last batch of papers there giving me a sushi home address and another source for checking the septic binary.
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Both of these should be quite useful.
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It is very happy to get the letter.
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Apparently, they are reading at least some of the material that is coming in which makes me feel much better.
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I would think about the world authority on the planet that could have life and the stars that could have planets with life since he does much of the original research on this.
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If anyone could spot errors in my papers, he would be one of the best ones to do it if he will do it.
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I just looked up 107 Pisces and it is generally called a K-1 main-pickland star.
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This is using the...
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I don't know what the hell is his name.
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I think I have to ask that.
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Carlos J.A.F.B.H.E.K.
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He is the astronomer from the La Plata Observatory in Argentina, actually the...
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I was an editorial astronaut, De La Universidad, National De La Plata.
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I have a letter from him saying that he is sending my catalog and he hopes that we will meet this winner in talk over some of the projects like the model in the possibility of a later Philolax, which his catalog may help in solving.
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Actually, if Lee's story is correct and negative Philolax, it will be a combination of the five catalog and the greasy catalog that should be able to solve the problem by taking the odd stars and the greasy catalog and checking them out to the catalog in the Morgan-Canaan system.
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We should be able to spot which of these look like the remains he can start but are subliminous.
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So this may be a productive deal. Of course, it is too early to tell because the correlation has not been done yet.
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But it should let us know when we are together.
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I do not give a very good chronological listing in our talk last Sunday.
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So I would like to go over that right now. I believe I read in the morning in the summer of 1966.
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And as I said, I wasn't too much interested in the UFOs at that time and I didn't give too much goodness to the story at the time.
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I remember that year I read an anime of a phenomenon and this got me very interested.
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And after that I joined April and the FFIC at the same time during the same time.
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I wrote Dr. Valley, the following May. And this time I was already thinking about Betty's map and it went over the story somewhat because I had asked him at this time if there were any news.
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And this was the map that were done from a point of view outside of our solar system.
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And this was asked to check out Betty's map. I actually didn't expect there had been any damage. I thought it would be worthwhile checking to know what it would make my own map or not.
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And he was piling the negatives.
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So it was the spring summer of 1967 where I first started to try to get the data and didn't have any luck.
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It actually was the summer of 1968 before I was able to get the StarCat log.
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So there was a lot of year and a half that I was looking for the material.
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During this year and a half I did a lot of reading on astronomy and I read Stagons Intelligent Life in the Universe and FairShop by C. B. O. Neurus which I had read a couple of times and I wish to read again and it had quite a bit of very detailed material in it.
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I also did the research on hypnosis and the experimentation on hypnosis and crop transfer and so forth.
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But I really thought about it by letter to Dr. Sprinkle.
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This course was not very definite. The information on hypnosis is very contradictory and I found that with my staff I could do only certain things with other people.
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There worked very well and many respected. It does not work with me and I didn't know how good a subject Betty was or what circumstances it was done and so forth.
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It was rather inconclusive. In the thought transfer and experiments they were higher than just guessing.
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In fact thought transfer between certain periods of people was quite high and there was no chance of signaling or having it hoaxed.
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I was one of the participants in one of these sets of thought transfer and I know that I wasn't even looking at the other person but I was receiving quite well.
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This is using the ESP cards. I don't think I will.
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But in the other kind of ESP phenomena such as prediction, living objects and so forth it was strictly at chance level.
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It was during this period too that the many trips to Toledo were made to get the material for the 16-late-year model and the model was done with its inconclusive results.
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In the spring of 1968 county made her 16-late-year model in the tube format with the lowest screening on a rock, the higher hardware cloth as it happened at the bottom.
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I liked her idea that again I was more interested in getting complete access rather than having it blasted in.
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Then in the summer of 1968 I found a source for the plastic, the clear plastic that I've been hoping to use for the model and for so other projects I had in mind.
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I had it word it took three months to come but at least it was on its way and starting to come at this time.
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Also in the summer of 1968 I got into Perkins and got a crack at the Star catalog.
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Now I didn't hear any of the catalogs in my own until quite late in 1968 so all my data had to be copied out of the catalogs in Perkins.
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But I found the address for the great Star catalog and I ordered that.
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It's Jerry takes months for me to Star catalog to come and this was no exception.
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County, Louis and my niece had suggested the protractor instead of the raw system that I was using and the idea was an excellent one.
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So I expanded the protractor idea to make it even more convenient and worked on the methods of putting the model together.
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Then in the Christmas vacation of 1968 the model was finally constructed which took most of the Christmas vacation.
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After Christmas in February and March I started to combine the data that I had in a readable form so that I could send the material into RAPRO and the tiny saucer and this to give them to me in Akron.
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The first thing then was the Star catalog since it is absolutely necessary to understand which stars are which.
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After that the page of a radiation was done so that people could understand the Star catalog and also a brief idea of the number of these sizes and colors and so forth so that understanding the model would be easier.
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Some other teachers who were following my work suggested putting in any history of the model so I did a couple of pages of that.
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Then I thought I better put in a rationale of what I thought that I could need and this would explain various needs of investigating various possibilities within the model.
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I put in some of the early worksheets that I had done to show the weaknesses and strengths of various interpretations and the problems with any of these because at this time I had not found the correct one.
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Although I was on the right track I have reached the conclusion that there were many stars that could have plants with life.
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At this time I thought there was around 20. Some of these have been trimmed off since then because I discovered some of these were unresolved binaries or such as Gothic binaries and were no longer suitable.
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Some of these were also much as possible variables in the right-style catalog and I am always hoping for life so I was hoping that these variables were not true variables or that it was just rigor so referring like the sun.
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However I doubt if rigor so referring could be seen I have been trying to find out for sure but I do not think that the 2% change in light could be seen at the distance that some of these stars are.
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So I do not think it is rigor so referring. Now so referring in a smaller star like a red dwarf changes its luminosity very very much in several magnitudes and facts but in one light the sun does not change greatly.
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So I think this variability may be more than I had first hoped also after checking the Laplata catalog they range these stars in a 5 or 6 point spread quite often which means that different viewers are seeing them quite differently at different places.
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A normal range is around 2 or 3 points within a spectrum range so this would show that they probably are truly variable and so not suitable for life or at least not nearly as likely.
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So now the range is the 13 within 32 light years plus these 2 that are just beyond this range that was quoted in the last tape.
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I also did most of the correlation by luminosity by components the HR diagram because I couldn't find the actual spread of the HR diagram I decided to make my own using all the components within the 32 light years.
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So I could spot where the breakoff point was as far as luminosity where the KO and the K1 breakoff. So say I didn't give the after-loop magnitude at this point and I haven't been able to get girls work.
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I have a look now but I haven't had a chance to read it just came in about a month ago and I've been very busy with the data. I haven't had a chance for any extra reading so I've been standing by my HR diagram on this point
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but I may need some revision once this has been checked out also. In March I sent the data to Dr. Heineck first because I thought it would be interested since he is interested in UFOs and he has the knowledge to understand the astronomy part.
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And secondly I wanted to get Dr. Valley's address and Dr. Valley had been an associative Dr. Heineck at Northwestern and then I had heard that he had gone back to France and then I had heard that he is back in the country again but not at Northwestern so I was trained to reach him because I wanted him to have a copy.
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Also I had a lot of astronomy questions that I could not find in the books. I'm learning my astronomy as I'm working with the data so I have a lot of learning to do. There are still a few columns even now that I don't know exactly how to use in problems. I know pretty well what they stand for but not exactly how they are used.
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But at this time there was quite a bit I didn't know because I only had the data for about eight or nine months. One of the things that I really slipped up on this point was the SB notations I had killed the copy of the bright star catalog and then realized that they were the specifically such a scoping binaries which I was trying desperately to find. I discovered this soon afterwards that so rather embarrassed that I hadn't caught it at that time.
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I did not have my own copy of the Greasy catalog so I could not check the footnotes through the Greasy and I did not have time to check the footnotes through the Yale Triometric catalogs at this time because I didn't have my own copy and I didn't have time and persons to do it.
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During the winter months my teaching hours coincide with the person's library hours so I have no way of getting into the person's library.
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Besides I wasn't quite sure at this point you do that I'd be welcome back since unauthorized personnel are not supposed to be using the library.
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It's for a very good reason because they are in the middle of research and it would be very disruptive to have people coming in and out all the time and asking questions and these catalogs are very hard to come by.
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Another reason for contacting Dr. Heineck was the hope that he could catch any mistakes before I sent the report in to April.
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I was pretty excited about some of the things I was finding out about the stars that could have plants with life.
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Since this is all new material to me when I was reading a Dr. Seagan's book and the correlation with the model itself and finding which ones actually were the ones that could support plants with life in the middle of the year.
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I was really happy to have a chance with life within the model so I contacted the FSI C to see if they would want me to explain what I had found to the group.
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This is the first time only time I have ever volunteered to speak before a group because it does bother me to do so normally.
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But I thought they would be interested and it is a small well-knit group.
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I could probably get through it all right.
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It was well- it seemed a very long time before I got any answers.
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Mrs. Athol, who is a right under Dr. Heineck as assistant at Derberin, wrote a very nice letter answering some of my questions.
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I had not made myself clear on one point. I was very worried about a minus in front of some of the pale axis and they raped our catalog because at this time I thought that his map was 2D and that they would have to use some sort of projection to make a map possibly something like the Norden projection to eliminate the distortion of putting a 3D celestial fair.
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I was planning at this time of making a model of all the bright stars within possibly 800 light years, possibly 1000 light years.
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I was planning to make a model of the Earth and then measuring off the taking the actual angle of elevation and the actual turn to make my own Norden type map from the various stars that could have plants with life so we could see what their sky maps would actually look like.
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This will be quite an undertaking I expected it to take over four or five years probably and it will be a rather tedious but it would give us what their skies looked like.
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However, this minus in front of the parallax was a factor I couldn't account for and I thought it might change all these measurements I had taken so far in my model and all these gifted measures that I had in the map that I...
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or model that I was planning to do with these bright stars. This was not the normal plus minus that you have after parallax that shows the margin of error that is likely for that parallax.
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I just simply couldn't account for it but it's worried me quite badly.
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I found the answer to this one later when I got to the Perkins Observatory on June 6th.
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Dr. Nann kindly explained it to me that it was the apparent backwards movement of the star and that it could be caused by the various stars actually moving more than the stars being measured.
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This raised my curiosity about negative parallax and made me much more receptive to anything I read on negative parallax.
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Hello, it was very interested when I came across that little sketch piece article on parallax and the problems of parallax.
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His article was the first that I realized that there were so many problems involved with taking a parallax measurement.
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It was quite an eye-opener and very interesting.
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The exact title of the article is the accuracy of trigonometric parallaxes of stars by S. Vesalveschi.
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It is from the Lick of the Vervatory, bolt number 206.
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It is a survey of the literature this review was conducted in December 1965.
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I read the article in the Astronomy and Astrophysics Yearbook 1966, I believe.
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Because of the present inaccuracy of the trigonometric parallax beyond 100 light years, I was completely given up the idea of 800 to a thousand light year model.
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Mrs. Aftall had mentioned answered my questions on let's see Roman numerals after the inspection meant which was very helpful.
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This is the MNK system or Morgan can and system.
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And based on the strengths of some of the lines in the Sunhopper lines in the spectrum,
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and breaks these stars up into groupings of main sequence subgiants,
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the main sequence are five subgiants for going on into a three to one of the large giants,
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the Roman numerals six is your subduress and so forth.
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This was extremely helpful.
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I had already worked out a system of my own using the H.I. diagram and their actual luminosity.
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And this coincided very nicely with the MK system.
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And this eliminated some of the stars that I thought were likely to have life because these some of these were subgiants rather than the main sequence stars.
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I was very grateful for this help.
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To say this was sent in March between March and June, I have tried to work out some way of showing these subgroupings
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but were based on luminosity that I had found back at many of these stars are pumped together or in sheets of similar type magnitudes.
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And these great often to each other.
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There was some mixing but there were much more groups than I had expected.
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I did some other correlation at this time also.
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Then on June 6th, I went down to Perkins but it was too late to get in because this was last year school,
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finishing up with the records and so forth.
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So I camped overnight at the Delaware camp and then went over to the observatory on the 6th.
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And Carol let me duplicate the Lisa catalog which was a tremendous help. It is written in German.
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Unfortunately, I don't read German but the columns are similar to the columns of other catalogs and the footnotes are in astronomical terms.
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So they are not difficult to follow. Some of the writing at the beginning of the catalog I haven't been able to follow through yet.
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I'm hoping to get a translation one of these days.
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I was very worried about getting in. I wanted to use the data so badly and I was so afraid that I wouldn't be allowed in.
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But I had a royal welcome. Carol was glad to see me and introduce me to the other members of the staff and showed me around the place.
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Dr. Kaniyana at this time also looked up the Estilinear at the Antony which is March of the such a scoffic binary in the footnotes of the Breitstärke catalog.
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I knew it was one of the stars studied in the project DADMA and I was surprised that they would study it if there was a such a scoffic binary because they said it was a single.
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It turned out to be an error in the Great Starr catalog which is extremely easy to do. I'm still catching some of my own errors.
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You're copying column after column of numbers. It's very easy to get in the wrong column or transpose numbers or other copy errors.
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You found this in the Baton catalog which was just issued.
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This was my first contact with the such a scoffic binary catalog.
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I wasn't able to find it in subsequent visits to Perfume because it was in use.
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I wrote to Ellen Baton later to see if I could get my own copy which is very kind of a scent.
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The evening of June 6 was my first trip to Akron to the SSIC meeting.
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Using the directions that Mr. Conducer gave me I had no trouble at all and finding the place.
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So the six was a very eventful day.
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After I got home I started correlating the data and at this time within just a few days I just sent Apple their copy of the...
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What I did I had it present and I written this with Powerly Beauty last that I would send until I had the 65 lightyear model that I didn't think that it could be pinned down exactly.
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Then two days after this I discovered the correct viewing angle and everything started sitting into place very neatly.
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I still was considering Delta and Gamma Pavle as the two-end stars on the exploration end stars, the lower ones.
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But I wasn't very happy with these. I hadn't been all along because they are probable variables.
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I learned too that one of these is a group four star or a usually class that will sometimes as a five which means that this is the MK group four and five being the sequence of four being subjiant which would put it as rather unlikely for life.
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So I thought that possibly at this time if I could make a model of the stars in this area since all the other stars fit in so beautifully that these two should fit in beautifully too if I could find the stars just outside the three to light your range that could be gone to instead of these.
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This would mean taking in the two next closest stars that would be gone to from Zeta to Cana.
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So I made a model of this area of the sky. However these stars were not where I was expecting them to be. The angle was sharply back and the lines appeared much shorter than should have been falling that he's met unless he is making long lines because these jumps are very long we just appear to be short.
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In the meantime I was sending the whole summer waiting for letters to return to know what to do next. I had written Dr. Standford that I would come to Minnesota to take the material to him. I wasn't getting any replies at all from Apple which worried me quite badly.
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I was rather afraid there might have been tampering and also I was afraid that either that or they weren't taking it seriously.
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Then I was wondering if Betty would write and if it's because that would delay sending the letter to her. So I didn't get reply from her for quite a while.
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I didn't want to go ahead and make other plans until I heard to know what I was going to Minnesota or Illinois or Dr. Standford was vacationing or going to New Hampshire to see Betty or what I was going to be doing.
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So it was a day to day basis but in the meantime I was correlating to data all day every day trying to get things worked out refotographed checked through as thoroughly as possible.
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Finally letters came through and Dr. Standford saying not to come just nailed the data and the letter came through from Betty.
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So we were in finding correspondence and she said it was fine to come and so I went into New Hampshire.
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Hope before going to New Hampshire Carol had written me that Dr. Mitchell of Perkins had good my data.
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I was quite surprised that anyone down there was since I am just an amateur and had less the data but had not expected anyone to read it.
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I had not included the flying saucer data since I didn't want the strictly astronomical data thrown out just because someone was not an agreement on the flying saucer material and it is rather controversial.
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Dr. Mitchell wanted to see me talk over the coordinates and so forth and I was of course very delighted to go because he is very understood.
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He was a very interesting person and so the day before I was ready to leave for New Hampshire I went down to Perkins and we went over the model and he answered some of my questions and posed some problems and got me thinking
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about the new lines of thought and I think it was very worthwhile for both of us at least it was for me.
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He was mildly interested in the UFOs so I read or invented there on the data that I had there and he made suggestions for worthwhile to in this area.
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On the way home I stopped in a bug and there Mr. Wigs and picked up the colored pictures that I had done of the model and then put those together on the stereo slides which takes a lot of matching and sent a copy back to Perkins because I had made several steps when I had intended for Perkins and one for Dr. Valley.
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If you have a right to find one I wanted to send a greasy and one to Peter Van the camp of course one is sending to Aco since that greasy and Dr. Van the camp are the two working that I know of any way that are working mostly on these near stars and it would be the ones that would be probably most interested in seeing the model.
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Betty has a copy also.
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I went to the stereo, the opkican slides to show the model in depth I had originally in this April to during period tried to do pictures in 3D using the two color photo system but it's quite difficult to do I managed to do a couple.
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But I found that quite a few people have difficulty adjusting their eyes to the two colors and some that make ill and there's a great deal of trouble getting filters that were pure enough and then getting a miniograph sheet that was pure enough to make the colors work.
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So I gave up this idea since the colored stereatic and chose it much better and get the better idea of the actual colors of these stars and sizes and so forth and far simpler the only problem is to get the stereatic and to view them with.
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Anyway, on the fourth and fifth August I saw Betty and then saw the pictures that David Baker had drawn and started home on the way home and the few weeks of four school started I was correlating with the data that I got in some Betty.
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I sent in the summary sheet then to appro but David and I got Betty's okay before I sent in the balance of our interview make sure that I had not misinterpreted anything that she had said and that she agreed that this was an accurate account of what our interview consisted of since the tape recorder wasn't working properly rather I probably wasn't working the tape recorder properly.
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This is the blame on the tape recorder of course. Mr. Conduso had set up October the third as my speech for the FSI C meeting so I was busy working on slides and pictures for this so I refortographed the model.
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The original photographs the colored stereopticon pictures were taken before I had found Betty's angle luckily one of them shows it fairly well but this was just coincidence and the angle is much higher on this picture than the actual view angle is actually I can't photograph it from Betty's exact viewing position because it hits the frame it's quite low and hits the frame in two places.
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So does not show the correlation in the best possible way 2d pictures are very hard to interpret because you can't tell which is the small case star close or a large case are in the background since they both would have the same diameter on the slide.
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I had at this time also to completely repaint the model it was out in the July 4th tornado that touched down just a few miles away from us and Chris we had high winds and high rain the models the NAFTA over several times the cats had gotten into it so I had to recheck most of the stars positions and repaint all of the stars before I could take it into the meeting and I wanted to take it to prick the tree.
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I wanted to take it into the next day so it could be used there as I want the data used because I had wanted as little lucky just possible for photographing and reviewing the model I used the very thin delicate wood for the original frame just had not weathered very well too long so the frame itself had to be completely remade before I could move it.
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The plastic in the bottom was breaking because of the famous not supporting it and was afraid that the model would not hold up thanks giving the occasion the year before I made a quick very small mock up of the brighter stars in the very too light year range to see if I could find a pattern using them because I couldn't wait for Christmas I knew it would take the whole Christmas vacation to do the full model.
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I had taken to get it but the plastic even though it was cushioned the whole way had not held up and the model had broken before I had gotten to get it.
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So I was quite worried that this model would not last the trip going down to Akron and then down to Perkins it did thing and it wasn't at all sure that it would.
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The meeting at Akron went over quite well I was very happy nervous as I was and the following trip to Perkins was not only a ventile but the model did get down there safely.
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In September I finally heard from April that they thought they were getting all the data.
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I have not heard from Dr. Stanford since mid-July I believe but I have heard indirectly through the Apple headquarters.
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He thinks it's quite promising.
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Betty and I have been corresponding quite regularly. She is a warm interesting person who is a criticism of humor.
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This week I got a letter from SSIC which was very nice where the members had signed a thank you letter for my talk.
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I'm out to record now for a correction to a correction.
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The La Plata Observatory is actually titled A Vertorial Toronto Meaco, De La Universidad, Nafiola, De La Plata.
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I noticed in this thing over to the first part of this tape that I had not pronounced it correctly.
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Another major correction in my written material and I don't know how this happened but on the summary sheet my catalog number A I think of it in terms of my catalog number.
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Rather than the write-star number and the write-star number is 483 which I quoted correctly on the tape last Sunday.
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But in my summary sheet I have it marked so that the 8 looks like a 5.
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It's probable that I also copied it off the summary sheet on other material as a 5 instead of an 8.
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So the correct definition is 483 there instead of 453.
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Thanks again for everything, sincerely large fish.
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It's my tree fish and it is December 28, 1969.
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Dear Richard, thank you very much for your Christmas card.
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I had hope to get this tape out to you with my greetings to you before Christmas with Tim Randall on me.
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The sheet I don't know if it was discussed at the FSI meeting last one but I sent a correction sheet and I'm going to send you one but I want to double check and have more of the information ready when I send it to you since you are able to use it more than most of the others.
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The Gleepy catalog came in and there were a great many more changes than I was expecting.
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Now as far as the 32 light year model is concerned there were some minor changes, again not enough to affect the visual view of the model.
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However in the Hill pattern those two that were on the end that I thought were long lines but didn't appear along in the photograph because they were dipped way back.
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These two stars have drastic changes in their parallax and the Gleepy catalog and both of these I believe are out or at least 688 may still be in but 75 is out.
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Now some other stars have been discovered in this area and about parallax measurements taken out that weren't taken before and some of these may be the correct ones.
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In which case I think probably 773.5 would be the top point and 796 may be the bottom point.
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The 796 line would be very similar to Betty's line along line going out. 773.5 is still dipped back considerably.
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These would be about 30 light years or 31 light years from Zeta to Canal of the jump off point from Zeta 1 reticulum.
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The parallax on Zeta 1 and 2 reticulum has been changed. It's not as far out as the Yale trigonometric parallax supplement had it but it's not still quite as close as what the bright star catalog had it.
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They are both put out at the same parallax this time and they are both about 36 light years away from Earth if this last parallax measurement is correct.
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This does not disrupt the pattern in any way in fact it makes it better than what the Yale trigonometric supplement had it.
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Some other minor corrections are my catalog A star which is the top star in the hill pattern is a light star catalog number 483 on my summary sheet.
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It looks like 453 either I copied it incorrectly or in taking one copy from another copy from another copy as I often do.
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It copied incorrectly sometimes you get a blurring in the printing and then I made copied it wrong off of one of these copies and some other material.
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So in any case if you want to check through your material it should be 483 not 453.
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The bright star catalog number on the left star in the V shape at the top of the body pattern.
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Now in these new stars some of these parallaxes are not trigonometric parallaxes one is just a single spectrum spectroscopic parallax and I just like placing too much reliance on a single parallax measurement especially when it is a spectroscopic rather than a trigonometric parallax.
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This is all we have to go by so this is what I have to use.
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Another correction is I had said that only about a fourth of the area around the base stars had been was on the map.
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Actually it is an eight there is an adding over in the other fourth at the top this is why I said it was a fourth but if we want to get it down to real brass tax there it is only an eight of the area around the base stars.
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This is an actual map that he has.
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Getting back to the theory to let your model there are 16 stars that are not in it that are in the new leacy catalog.
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These are all quite damn all some of them are about sevens absolute magnitude but none of these are very enough to have planets with life at least if we understand these mechanism correctly.
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There are maybe other stars that have parallax changes that were in the old leacy catalog that also put them in this 32 light year range but this hasn't been checked yet.
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It is one of the things I am going to be working on very shortly.
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Right now I am in the process going through the yellow trigonometric parallax catalog and pulling out all the stars in a parallax of 0.049 to 0.030.
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This would take all the stars from 65 light years out to 100 light years to supplement the leacy catalog so that a model can be constructed of these stars.
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Now this is for my listing of stars that could have planets with life so I am not going to be including the stars brighter than f5.
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The yellow trigonometric parallax catalog does not give the groupings like the mk groupings so that you know which ones are main sequence stars.
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This has to be worked out so I have to figure out the absolute magnitude for all of these stars.
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About 500 stars have been marked in the catalog and I have to go back over and take out those which are spectroscopic binaries, those which have the wrong magnitude, brightness and so forth and try to figure out which of these are main sequence stars.
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Now the gold book habitable planets for man and him and finally I have a listing of what the absolute magnitude should be for the spectrum groupings like a geo and so forth.
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Now I have to figure out the number of the stars that I have to figure out which of these are main sequence stars.
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I have to figure out which of these are main sequence stars.
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I have to figure out the number of the stars that I have to figure out which of these are main sequence stars.
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Now I have to figure out which of these are main sequence stars.
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Which is now well over a thousand stars.
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This catalog I should be able then to tell if his grouping is correct or if my subgroupings are more correct.
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I have already worked out a two page chart that will show what the absolute magnitude is for a given visual magnitude of the given parallax within the range of the stars that could have plants with life.
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Using Dole's system of 6.66 as the minimum absolute magnitude.
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He says that the K1s are 6.66 whereas my K1s range about 6.1 or 6.2 and there's quite a difference here.
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I have written the Sushu Hu and twice once to send my sheet of the stars that could have plants with life and then to send a correction sheet and also ask him where he thinks the absolute minimum should be.
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Because in between the time I sent the first letter I received the Dole book and realized the discrepancies and didn't like them to stand.
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He did not want to give a definite answer to the absolute minimum since he says we have no way of knowing as yet what it is.
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But he sent some very interesting materials.
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I have a chance to read it when I hope to be reading it next year so that it pertains to this question of life.
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The Carlos Yashic Horacio Conde Iamello, this year a catalog of stellar spectra classified in the Morgan Kanan system, finally came in from the La Plata Observatory.
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I am checking through this list of 500 stars to this catalog also to see what star classification they give it.
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I find a great deal of discrepancy between the Eiltric and Nitric Parallax catalog and the Yashic catalog as to what the stellar spectra of these stars is.
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Not only about a third of the stars in the Eiltric and Nitric catalog of the ones that I am checking are in the Yashic catalog mainly probably because these stars are quite dim and they are quite a ways out.
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There is nothing particularly interesting in them for most astronomers.
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They probably aren't studied as much since most of these are below visual magnitude stars.
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I am running into some of those interesting dim stars that seem to be main sequence stars.
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Of course this dimness could be caused either because there is a wrong parallax measurement or there is a wrong spectra classification or it may be stars that I am trying to see if they actually exist that could be causing the negative parallax.
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Again there are many things that could cause discrepancy between the brightness that they should be and the actual brightness mainly in errors and measurements but may be productive.
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It is one of the interesting sidelines of the things that I am working on.
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Once the listing on the Yashic catalog for the stars that could have plants with life is made and then the Eiltric and Nitric prolax listing is added to it to bring the listing out to 100 light years.
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I will start working on the models so that we can check what stars, besides the ones that he has met, that the humanites assuming that they do come from there, could go to in the other areas that aren't on the math area.
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As soon as the model is finished then I will start on the 65 light year model of all the stars in the Eiltric catalog.
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This I expect to take quite a few months to accomplish.
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Another problem with listing is what stars to include in it because according to Susu Huan there is still quite a bit of discrepancy.
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I know what causes the planet formation and I assume this means also that they don't know for sure whether the double stars have planets or not.
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If my interpretation of the math is correct they don't go to the double stars.
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Even though some of these are fairly light apart and also the stars, the individual stars that make up a multiple system could be the right spectrum range and so forth.
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However the base stars themselves, Zeta 1 and 2, retic and Duf1, a type of double system that is very wide spread.
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Again a very crude measurement, if I did it accurately which I don't guarantee, puts them out a minimum of 3000 astronomical units apart which is quite far.
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Although it's a little about the light year would be.
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Certainly don't guarantee my arithmetic in this case and so it hasn't double-checked or anything.
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I just give a very crude estimate.
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Both stars are closer together than what Pluto and the Sun is.
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Many of them are about Jupiter's distance or in some cases just our distance from the Sun.
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There's a very wide range in the double stars as to their distance apart.
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It's quite difficult to say where to draw the line between a double star or those that just share a common proper motion because those that share a common proper motion can be revolving around each other also.
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So I had to know where to say that this is a single star or this is a part of a double system.
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Not known for sure whether the double stars can have plants with life.
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I'm going to also include two other listings.
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One with double stars that have a suitable component as long as the other component is not brighter.
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Since it is brighter it means that the system is a young system and that any life would probably be destroyed when the other star turns into the red giant.
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However, if they're far left apart this might not affect the other one enough to destroy life on the planet.
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I have a third list that would list these spectroscopic binaries.
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Here again they would have to be checked using Sushu Hohen's system for measuring the suitability for a stable orbit with double stars.
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I am not about to undertake this at the present time except for listing these stars and anyone who wants to can go through the mathematics of deciding whether it would be suitable or not.
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Again if Betty's map is correct they don't go to any of these which means that probably the likelihood is very small since they are picking the very top of the cream of the ones that could have plants with life to go to.
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I am ignoring those that are still possible but not as probable.
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Most of my calculations I am assuming that Betty's map is correct but may not be that the indications are in my way of thinking that they probably is correct.
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Another problem with the listing is the breakoff points which was discussed earlier but this creates quite a problem.
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I had the other list that I made earlier in several different parts.
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The F5, 2, F8 were the ones that could be colonized they could have life of their own but would not be intelligent life.
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Then F8 to absolute magnitude 6.0 as my group learned and then 6.0 to 7.5 is group 2.
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Since I have the dual listing and he breaks off the absolute magnitude as 6.6 I am going to take this as the bottom limit instead of going to 7.5.
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Whether to break the F5 group to F7 as a separate group or to include it in the listing of plants that could have life, period, whether it is intelligent or not.
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This F5 to F7 has other problems in that not all of these may be revolving slowly and I don't have rotational data on these.
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Some of these may not have plants.
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Also if I take into account that he is mapped they don't go below 6.0 or 6.1 at most.
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I am going to keep these as a separate group or not is a problem.
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That is to have a group 1 go say from F5 to absolute magnitude 6.0 and then take it from 6.1 to 6.6.
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If they separate subgroup or whether to have the whole listing as one single group.
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Think what I shall probably do is list them from F5 down to 6.6 and then add a separate note for those that are interested in me.
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You can make your own listing in eliminating those that are too low in magnitude.
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I haven't decided entirely on this.
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I still have a lot of work to do in the checking of these stars and getting them listing.
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Another problem in listing is that the stars in the Gleesa catalog are the 1950 epic and the stars in the EO trigonetric and the Morgan-Canand system muddy.
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The Astrid catalog are in the 1900 epic.
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This means that all the stars in those catalogs have to be changed over to the 1950 epic or the ones in the Gleesa catalog have to be changed over to the 1900 epic before they can be listed in an order.
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Since the placement would be often served on some of them.
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Again, I probably should list them both ways, which means I have to list probably all.
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I imagine there will be at least three or four hundred stars in the final listing in just the single stars alone to say nothing of the double star listing in the Sputterscopic binary listing.
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This is the proper motion of some of these stars changes their position from the 1900 to the 1950 listing.
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I haven't worked with the figuring out the actual proper motion and related this to the normal epic and changing position.
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I don't think I'll get too much to learn it, but it's something I haven't worked with yet.
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I'm going to have a lot of learning to do before I even begin to tackle all of this.
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Dr. Van the Count, from a very interesting packet on information on the mirror stars and other things that arrived yesterday, which I'm very interested in at too.
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Actually, I received letters from almost every place that I sent.
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I haven't received anything from Dr. Sagan yet or Dr. Vesky's.
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Not that I really expected that later from either one of them, but I was hoping.
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Dr. Sagan was sent to the normal address.
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I had sent it to where he was when he was writing the intelligent language and the universe.
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But it wasn't returned, so I assumed it was forwarded to him.
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I immediately took to the book and to the territory in December 6th.
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They normally aren't open on Saturday, but Dr. Mitchell came and let me in and we talked over the project that his students are doing with the mirror stars.
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And the odd roofings that I discovered in the model and those only there were one report that's been turned in.
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But it showed a high clustering of the 10th magnitude stars out of me.
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65 light-year range that is what's in the line.
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Beyond the 32 light-year model, but it's very definitely a clumping of them.
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I'm hoping to learn how the other ones turned out.
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I'll be able to pin these down quite accurately once the 65 light-year model of all the stars is made.
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But again, this will take quite a while to do.
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Again, the books you read me, the Great Soul Trial, is very interesting.
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I just have a good beginning on it.
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This is the first chance I've had to sit down and relax for months.
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I certainly appreciate you running into me out of them back to you as soon as possible.
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I hope to have the HR diagram then possibly sometime tomorrow or at least sometime next week.
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I'm doing about five, six, seven different things at the same time.
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It's rather confusing at 10.
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Well, again, have a very good year and good luck in your taking and your other work.
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Oh, if you have a chance, I would like a copy of anything that you have on Barney or Betty on your tape.
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Or any case that is similar to this, the normal contact, can contact e-report, I think.
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I'm interested in sociologically, but not too interested in the tapes unless you think it is an authentic experience.
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Much of the regular contact, the material I believe is probably just tapping unconscious material, such as it's done in an automatic grating,
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where it seems to be coming from an outside source, but is actually coming from the person themselves at a subconscious level.
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It may not be true for all of them, but I think it is true for quite a few of the contact e-tikes thing.
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However, it may mask some of the real physical things that are taking place, which I think Betty's experience was one.
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I'm sure there are probably good many others that are.
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However, I doubt if these are your normal contact e-tikes.
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Getting into another area, I got a Ray Palmer flying saucer magazine the other day that had one interesting item.
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There was a clipping service that sort of assured the cost thing.
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It's $3 per month, and the address is a research committee, Rod Dyke, that's dyke e-director.
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Sounds quite interesting.
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The magazine is a whole, I think, is for an nonsense, but sometimes it has some interesting things in the letters that have been somewhat better lately.
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I read Mr. Farish's article and said it was quite interesting.
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I am going to be turning the tape over now and go over some corrections to the first part of the tape.
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In listening to it, I realized there are some things that I didn't make very clear.
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This is Monday, December 29.
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I did some more reading in the Soul Trial, and I also did kind of a bit of work on the looking of the stars in the E-Oltra-Gamitriq Parallax catalog.
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I'm running some more problems with some of these odd stars.
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First of all, on the tape on the other side, I had mentioned that the...
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I was taking this list out to Parallax 30 and said it was 100 light years.
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Actually, Parallax 0.032 is 100 light years, but I'm taking out a little bit farther because it's easier to pull all the Parallaxes out within a certain set number.
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I'm pulling out all the hores in the 40s and 30s because Parallax is rather shaky this far out.
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This may catch a few that were placed a little farther out than what they should have been and so will still be included in the list.
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Speaking of the accuracy of the data, perhaps I can go over this a little bit to clarify it.
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Out to about 10 light years, our measurements are quite accurate within a small fraction of the light year.
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Out to 20 light years, there are a few stars that vary from one catalog to another as much as one or two light years, but this is rare, usually it's only about half light year difference.
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When you get out to the 32 light years, most of the stars are fairly stable from one measurement to another, but a few...
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There are quite a few changes in measurement, including the base stars.
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By the time you get out to the 65 light years, there's quite a bit of difference in measurements from one source to another.
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And of course, out to the 100 light years, it is getting rather shaky.
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So my listing will not be completely accurate, and this may account for some of these odd stars that seem to be way too bright or way too dim for the parallax that they have because your absolute magnitude depends on the distance out, which of course depends on the parallax reading.
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And if this is off, then your absolute magnitude is that it's figured as off, and so your magnitude spectrum ratio was going to be off.
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And so I think probably in my total list, I'll probably include the F5 through the absolute magnitude 6.6, and even though this will extend over the range and either side, it should politely star.
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So I'll probably have some that don't really qualify as the best stars to have life, but the least should include most of the stars that should have life.
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So far as the stars that we've measured, parallax go.
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And I mentioned before, there's quite a few that haven't had the parallax measured, and I hadn't realized how many.
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So there may be quite a few that are not on the list because we do not know how far out they are.
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Getting back to Betty's map and the distance between the old greasy catalog and the new greasy catalog, the most we had very little changes, there were a few changes.
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54 apaisis is out about two light years farther in the new greasy catalog than what it was in the old.
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This may account for Betty's statement, which rather worried me because it didn't hold true for the old one that it seemed quite far out.
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Whereas actually it wasn't really any farther from the base stars than my A star, which he thought seemed a little nearer.
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So Zeta to Cana is 23.3 light years in the new greasy catalog, which is about one year difference from what it was before.
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Other than the two stars that we mentioned, then the other side of the tape, which I want to finish the model before I definitely say which two they are, these are the only major changes in the new greasy,
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old greasy catalog. This is all that I have at this time. So again, how a good new year, sincerely, my drefish.
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