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It's not like trying to summon a spirit.
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You're summoning essentially technology
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that has consciousness to it.
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Well, that platform came into that craft itself.
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So this thing was either antigraphy to itself
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and how it basically merged in together.
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Could this just be like an occult thing?
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That's been going on for hundreds of years.
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How do you think they look?
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They were actually two of the guys.
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We're actually talking about either,
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hey, should we smoke these guys right now?
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You know, that's what they kept saying.
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Do you think realistically pulling these technologies
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from these black programs and putting them
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into the hands of people who don't know
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what the fuck they're doing is a smart move?
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James Allen, the documentary
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in a Mark McCandlish and the Flexliner story.
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He was diagnosed in dead of an aggressive form
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of cancer in about three weeks.
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Yeah, the UFO stuff's cool because they fly.
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The medical shit, the stuff that we could also do
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with this technology is going to be far more advanced.
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Different parts of the brain have different activities.
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You know that, don't you?
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People that you do a lot.
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Maybe you interview me.
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I'm here with Michael Herrera
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and I couldn't be more excited to talk to you.
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This has been a long time coming.
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You were a former marine who experienced something
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just really fascinating in 2009 in Indonesia and the jungle
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and it involves craft that prosaically is not understood
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as far as how it works.
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And also, seemingly special forces.
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We don't know if it was special forces.
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You don't describe them definitely special forces,
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but a team with prowess and wherewithal
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as far as the machinery they're using
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and how smooth they're operating,
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that also seems like at another level
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and they're kind of apprehending you
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when you see this craft.
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And so I'm very excited to talk to you.
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I know it took a lot of courage for you to speak out.
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And then we have Sammy UAP Gurb as well here,
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who's a legend, has an amazing channel,
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goes as deep as anybody when it comes to actual legacy operations
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from like a core detail way, just the facts.
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And so very excited to have you, man.
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You guys have done a great show together too.
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And if you guys want very low level details
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as to what went down, drawings, pictures, illustrations,
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extremely detailed accounts, go to your channel
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because you have some great stuff with Michael.
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He's very thorough, which is something that's very rare.
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Especially in this space, it's extremely rare.
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Correct. And that's kind of the thing
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why it made easier to talk to you
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because you were actually able to connect the dots
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and see and compare notes, basically
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to what you've experienced with other talking other people.
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I mean, your story had been floating around for a while
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and people were pretty dismissive of it
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until our mutual friend, Joey, is not my name,
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started to reach out to you and speak to you.
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And he got me in contact with you
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and you were able to provide quite a bit of interesting information
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including direct evidence from yourself and Joey
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that you met up with, who you referred to at the time
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as an insider, who now turned out to be Jake Barber.
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And that was the thing that it was kind of weirded on about.
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So in 2023, when I testified with the National Press Club,
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obviously I got in touch with a Greer actually in 2018.
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So I went to an event that I had in Boulder, Colorado
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and listened to his lecture, things like that.
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I was saying 2017 because the XS, I was with at the time,
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I met her in 2017, but then I was like, okay,
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and then I started thinking because there's been some people
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on Twitter, it was like, no, it was 2018
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because one of the volunteers was there.
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So they was like, okay, so it is really 2018.
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And I had listened to his lecture
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and then I ended up going up to, he was doing a book signing.
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So I went and got a book because I was the only way
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to get in front of him at the time when he was doing book signing.
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He doesn't do that anymore because people can give very crazy.
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I've seen a first hand.
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It's a little hysterical, but this subject brings a very
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interesting crowd with it, which is something I don't relate to
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that's whatsoever, but I mean to who their own.
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So I had told him, I'm a former marine,
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I had witnessed something such as like a drug running operation
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using this kind of technology, do you know anything about that.
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So I just ran and gave him his attention, he was kind of like,
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yeah, you have heard a lot, but then when I said that,
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he told everybody to shut up and he stood up and handed me
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his card and he was like, don't tell anybody this information,
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don't relate to anybody, just keep it between us,
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contact me when you're ready.
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And then when he did the first episode of Sean Ryan,
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is when basically he was talking about the whistleblower
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protections and going through this system to basically go
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So I was like, you know what, that might be time to actually
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pull a trigger on this and see what can come of it.
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This is the Gallagher amendment around whistleblower.
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The National Defense Authorization.
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Yeah, it's part of the national defense authorization.
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And that was of coming into 2023, I think is when they passed
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that and then there was some rendition of which we were trying
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to do 2024 with the whole Amnesty period for six months.
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And then obviously, imminent domain with some of these
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technologies and assets that these black sides have.
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So when I approached, I got in touch with Greer again,
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call some email, say, I don't know if you remember me and he goes,
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I know exactly and I remember exactly who you are,
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So he gave me his phone number.
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We basically talked for about an hour, just kind of went
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through what I've already discussed publicly, which was essentially
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that we were a part of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit that was
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tasked out to basically respond to humanitarian assistance
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operation out in the Philippines, which was Operation Ketsana.
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And then what ended up happening was we're the only ship,
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which was a US system that got routed out to the Western part of Sumatra
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and Indonesia, and which was a little weird.
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But, you know, of course, I've never been on a mission before that point.
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So that was kind of the first one for me.
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Why were you guys rerouted?
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It was the only ship, but that was the orders we were given.
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I don't know specifically why there was speculation.
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And then when we actually got briefed at the in the ward room,
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that there was some Obama's family members that were there.
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So they had some seal team that was going to be there to retrieve those people.
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If need be that's interesting.
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Because Obama lived there from age six to 10.
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And I believe so with his mom.
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And so there was some relatives and they were going to get them out.
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Because what happens in that part of the world is when there's a natural disaster
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happens, usually these terrorist organizations or these insurgent groups,
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would typically try to take over that area and then flak tarm chaos and ransom.
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I mean, whatever they do.
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And so they were afraid of that.
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So that's why they send a reactionary force to basically go cordon area off
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and then go deal with that, which we didn't do too much of that.
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All we basically did was try to provide security for an LZ.
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So that way they can keep, you know, we can keep if there were people there,
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which with this particular LZ didn't have anybody there, which was weird.
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For the audience with an LZ.
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Lining zone is more like a HSTLZ.
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So HSTLZ means that's a HST landing zone.
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So it's something that wasn't like prepared ahead of time.
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Like we're going to plot here.
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And this is where we're going to go.
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It's just like, here's the clearing.
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This is where they're going to land.
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At least it's how it felt.
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Pilots can probably attest to something different.
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And then basically that's when we disembark the helicopter.
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And for us, it's like, okay, you're going to have the tactical advantage.
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Take the high ground.
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So that's what we decided to do.
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And I wasn't the one who was in charge of all this.
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You know, so there was weird to not have the comms because everybody's talking about that.
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Yeah, I was not the one to set up.
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Maybe a squad leader, whoever was in charge of that point had something.
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Because I had no comms, no signals.
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I don't remember anybody having that.
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We could have had a little radio or something that the sergeant that was there at the time.
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Sent into the jungle alone, basically, with your unit.
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And you know, so it's like a fire team plus two.
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And so we end up, you know, seeing this craft, which.
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So there's a, I was actually looking for other accounts of octagonal craft that people may have seen.
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So I did a quick Google search.
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Came across this on Etsy.
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And so some, I can't remember the gentleman's name, but I ended up getting in touch with him and told him what it was.
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So he sent me two of these.
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One, I signed form and sent it back to him so he can have that.
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And two, because he, you know, he hooked me up with two models.
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But did he make that to spec or he had already built that?
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No, he made this to spec.
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So this was after the fact of what I came forward with.
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But this essentially is what we saw.
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So it almost looks like a, like a fractal.
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Like you have like, you know, kind of an accentuated version of the eight gone or octagon shape on top.
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That's like a pyramid.
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And then you have like a lesser, you know, a less concave version in the middle.
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And then like an even less, you know, we're kind of spread out.
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And this is off from memory because what people, you know, the SOS was like a very matte black.
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But then it was also transitioned like a light matte gray.
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And I don't know if we were going down this hill and we could still kind of see it.
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And maybe Sun was hitting it to an extend or I don't know.
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But it was basically like it was changing colors.
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But these, this panel right here, whatever these are, were basically the very Vanta black, which was the blackest I've ever seen anything.
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There's like light could get absorbed into this.
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Almost like a, like a black hole or something.
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Kind of that's the only way I can describe it or Vanta black is this car, this BMW car paint that they did that it basically absorbs light.
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It's very crazy stuff.
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So that's what that reminded me of.
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But, you know, I estimated that this thing was probably about 300 feet.
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And when we end up getting into this clearing is basically when we were intercepted by this force.
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You know, so arrow put out a report that was completely false because I didn't say it was US special operations that never came out of my mouth.
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What I had hypothesized is that they were at some point because the tactics they used, they already had to drop on us by the time we even noticed them.
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So yeah, you got, you know, armchair generals out there said, oh, yeah, I wouldn't have done that or fired on them.
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It's like, yeah, good luck with that.
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But you get pulled over by a cop and have a, have a weapon and see how fast you can reach away.
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He's already got his drawn on him.
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Yeah, we'll see how well that works for you.
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You and your fellow Marines, you did not have rounds chambered.
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We were encountered in like a pincer formation.
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We were in condition three.
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So we had was a magazine and so you have to do is hit the charging handle to chamber around.
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But if we're saying our patrolling, because this is the funny thing is there's a lot of optics that are played and stuff like this.
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So it's not like you're wanting to use this now granted Indonesia is the second largest terrorist capital in world.
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But doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to encounter any kind of bad guys, which we really didn't encounter that.
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And for these operators who we encountered, who is to say that they're really bad?
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Because the difference is if some if we were to do an operation ourselves and we had people, we had no idea that we're armed coming up to us.
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I'm pretty sure we'd react in the same way, especially if there's something that's going on that we either need to protect people, protect us or something going on.
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We're not going to have the same kind of welcoming like, yeah, go ahead and take a look guys.
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You know, but before we speculate on what was going on there, just the core details, how long did you get a clean shot like a look at that craft?
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Several times because while we're being held up a gunpoint, which these guys are at standoff distance, it's not like they're sitting there pointing a muzzle right at your face like this close because, you know, that's only Hollywood that does that.
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And these guys are smart enough just like an emerald tree, you're going to be in a standoff distance.
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So nobody can get an advantage advantage of you trying to disarm you, whatever it might be.
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So, but frequently dealing with these guys and dealing with that craft, it's just going back and forth.
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So like how long is this process where you have a clean look at the craft?
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Is it like it's minute? It's not.
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It's a minute. Okay. Wow.
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It's nothing like substantially long.
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Yeah. It's just enough because like I said, these trucks were coming up, which were either tendras or F 350s, more likely they're probably tendras.
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But the only thing I could make out was that it was some sort of heavy duty truck that was built on that some sort of chassis.
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That was big enough to pull these containers.
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And how close are you to the craft while you're being apprehended?
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Maybe 150, 300 meters if that because the way like this clearing was pretty big, but this craft was enormous.
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And there's even in the rendition there's like a platform below the craft.
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And you have any like first intuitions as to what that served as the platform versus the craft.
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Well, that platform came into that craft itself. It lifted off the ground.
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Now, when you're looking at it like this, I mean, of course, so that you can see that there's like a metal pole there to basically hold this up up top.
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But there is no metal pole or nothing to support that. Right.
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So this thing was either anti-gravitic itself and how it basically merged in together.
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So it's something like it's very like there's Air Force cargo planes that basically detached the fuselage so that way they can just roll the plane off, load up everything, load it and then just take off.
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I'm I've had I can't even speak today.
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I hypothesize in that there might be the same kind of concept just something very quick.
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They just load up, get whatever they want and get the hell out of there.
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And so these guys apprehend you and what sort of equipment do they have?
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Do they say anything?
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They're obviously talking about they want to smoke us or what should we do with these guys are making threats.
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We can get lost out here. We can, you know, take you anywhere pretty much.
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We can kill you. We should we shoot these guys. You know, it's it's going back and forth.
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There was only just two of them talking with this.
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But you can tell by their dialects that they were American.
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You can tell by their facial expressions that they were, you know, they were serious people.
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How many are they versus how many are you?
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So there are six of us and they're eight of them.
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And they, like I said, they were split off.
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So when they kind of approached us when we were going down in a tactical column, they were four on four on each side.
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So basically almost have what they call nosebleed.
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So they basically had sectors of fire like this.
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So for them to fire upon us is not going to take as many rounds because they could just hit us instantaneously.
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So these guys knew what the hell they were doing.
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And that was interesting, you know, having thought about at least what these guys backgrounds could be,
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then Jake comes forward, which is interesting, especially his background and his people.
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You know, so very good guys, by the way.
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But these guys in particular, I mean, they were so fluid and so smooth.
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It's like they've done this several times. It's just protocol.
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They just know it so well. It was just very fluid.
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So when they apprehend us, they basically take our weapons from us.
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And they're just taking the magazines out there, checking to make sure there's nothing racked in there, which wasn't.
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I think they may have said something about that too.
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And because there's no way, if they would have engaged us and we have the riser weapon up and it's not chambered,
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well, yeah, you're going to have to rack around into the chamber and then flip it off safe and fire.
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While they already have their safe, you could hear flip them off.
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And then basically just pick it up.
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You heard the safety flip off.
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Wow. And did they have any other equipment?
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They had something that was like a biometrics.
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It's like a bath system because that's something that we were kind of taught a little bit on how to track people.
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See biometrics tracking.
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And so when insurgents were having this used on them,
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it takes finger prints, it takes pictures and all that kind of stuff.
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That's something very similar to that.
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And then they had like a...
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Did they take photos or fingerprint prints?
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They were trying to...
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So they took our cat cards out of our pockets, which we always have our cat cards in our left-bressed pocket.
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And so when they took that out, they were trying to scan them.
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And I don't know if they didn't work or whatever, they were getting frustrated with it.
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And then this is when they took out another device that looked like a modern, a smartphone, very thin.
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And then I've had people that were formerly of the CIA tell me that these are catcom devices that they use.
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And that's basically what they were able to translate and get that information to whoever had it.
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Because they knew who we were after that point because they had our IDs, their names, their ranks, everything.
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So as that's going on, they're searching us down, which I had before making that trick down the hill,
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I had a little panasonic camera that I actually took pictures of this thing with from a top view,
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at least because there are some parts of it that were scared because of vegetation.
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And I also had pictures of the helicopter, one of them was one way on the ship.
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And all these photos that I took, even out of town and all that,
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and they didn't find it in my dump pouch, which was good, because then the whole time I'm thinking,
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I got something that can fucking prove this.
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It was not just fucking hearsay, right?
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What do you have that could prove it?
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The pictures. You had the pictures and that was in your pouch.
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And they never searched that pouch.
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So I was a saw gunner by trade, so that's what we always had was, you know, everybody has a pouch,
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but typically I just had like a drum mag pouches instead of regular M16 or M4 magazine pouches,
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which I had a magazine pouch right here, just in case we had to use magazines for the saw,
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because it could take both, belt fed with magazines.
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So as they're going through us, they're basically searching us up and down,
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and then they're basically just threatening us again, just kind of ruffing us up a little bit.
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And then that's when the truck started coming, because yeah, I'm paying attention to these guys
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that are doing this stuff to us.
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And then all of a sudden, I'm paying attention to these trucks that we start seeing pull up,
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and they have these trailers on the back that have this HVAC system on the top.
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So that was the suspicion I had that it was drugged,
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because some of the heavy equipment industry that I do deal with,
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they have containers that do that for like vegetation or for like food or for equipment
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and then he's be chilled, whatever it might be.
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So I'm like, okay, I think it's trucks.
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So they drive these trucks onto this platform here, which is you can see,
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like when the trucks are going up, then the trucks are getting smaller,
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which was able to kind of gauge the size a little bit, and then they were loading it on.
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I mean, I didn't see how they actually took the trailer's on for the drove on the platform
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that like seemingly levitates some use of some example.
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And it didn't make any noise.
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It didn't make any noise.
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You said it makes like almost like a base.
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Like the whole thing itself did the whole time.
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And it's something that's so different that if somebody was to recreate it accurately,
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like Joey kind of did the same thing, which is very similar.
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And it was something like that, because it wasn't a traditional propulsion system by any means.
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It's not like a rotor inside something.
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And so you got photos of the craft.
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I took video at the front.
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Well, we're on top of that hill is when I took photos of this thing.
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And it was obscured by some vegetation.
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And that's what caught our eye because it was something that was very abstract.
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From the rest of the environment, it's changing colors.
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It's like there's a building with the what the hell is going on.
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Now it wasn't the one who made the decision to go down there to go find out.
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And when you were on top of the hill, you couldn't see the trucks or the operating.
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Couldn't see people.
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Because like I said, it's very dense jungle, very thick vegetation.
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There's some clearings, of course, or some, what I can remember at least,
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which mainly was a vegetation.
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I can't tell you if there's mountains or hills or anything,
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which I remember there being hills, of course, when we were flying,
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it could kind of peak out.
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But other than that, I don't know exactly where we went or where we landed to or anything like that.
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And I know there's been people that have been trying that have asked for help to see if they could find the LZs.
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And to no avail, they can't because there's no information on them.
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In the F-350s or Tundra's or whatever these trucks are.
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They're attached to, it's like containers with a day hats.
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Yeah, they're, what do the containers look like?
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So it's like a kind of like a shipping container a little bit, a little bit more reinforced if you want to call it that.
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And that's what I hypothesized it was drugs.
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It was just like, you know, and so it also had things that are like pelican casins on the back of the actual truck beds themselves.
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So there could be weapons, there could be other things in those things,
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because they're very airtight and they seal up from moisture pretty well.
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So it keeps everything dry.
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So yeah, it could have been weapons, it could have been anything.
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But we mainly would put weapons in those.
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So I'm assuming they did the same thing too.
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And so when we saw the last trucks go up,
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is basically when this whole thing happened with the platform raising up and then a craft lowered itself.
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And then it went over the tree line because it was right in it was like,
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literally on the ground or not on the ground, but it was hovering on the ground.
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But it was low enough that it wasn't actually lower than the tree tops.
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So this thing rose up, passed the tree tops,
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and then it shut off to the left.
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But prior to doing that because it's rotating,
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and it was rotating in a clockwise motion.
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So you could start seeing these lights appear on the very corners of this thing,
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which were red, yellow, green, and blue,
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the only things I remember seeing.
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And then this thing just shut off and it was just like a black blur.
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Extremely fast, fast enough that obviously it, for some reason,
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did not disturb the vegetation around it.
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There was coconuts in these trees that could have easily fallen off
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with rotor wash or exhaust wash from low flying aircraft.
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And obviously it didn't make a sonic boom either because of how fast this thing flew off.
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But it was just like a black blur.
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Any estimate on speed or is that just really hard?
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I mean, several thousand miles an hour.
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I've never seen anything fast like that.
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I wanted to be a fighter pilot too.
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So you know, I know what aircraft and how they move.
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And that can tell you all the armament that can go on these things.
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And this was never something that I ever would think I would ever experience it.
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It's shoot off inland or towards the ocean.
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And any sort of ruffling of the tree tops.
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So it almost like felt like it was almost like it was set in its own environment.
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Nothing that could react to what our environment was.
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And so this is important, I think, to tell the audience.
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Like ETs are never mentioned in the context of the core details of this story.
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So there's nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
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And did you have a first instinct on whether this was invade or not of this earth or?
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Well, prior to that, I didn't believe in the subject.
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And I really killed a hell out of people for it.
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It was like you guys are fucking crazy.
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Like they make movies great.
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You know, of course the movies they come out are all fucking terrifying and shit.
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So it's like, you can imagine a xenomorph for that exists.
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And what it would do here.
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You know, like, or the thing from John Carpenter's.
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I mean, it's something like that.
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I mean, that fuck that shit.
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But you know, did you ever encounter it in military context before this where I like?
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So like literally no zero context.
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And I was one of those things.
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So I didn't believe in it.
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I never saw anything like that.
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Did you ever suspect we had aviation technology that?
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I mean, I've heard about it like the Aurora, for example,
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which was something that was hypothesized, which is very interesting.
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But it's just like spy planes like that, but nothing antagrivitic or anything.
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And then, you know, so that day confirmed that we had this technology because it was manmade.
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You could clearly tell it was manmade.
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And then some of the stuff I've seen recently with ET craft photos or, you know,
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even do and see you fight with Greer and a couple of other people.
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And you can kind of see that it was nothing you could really describe.
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It was just like an orb or it's just like something like a very bright light,
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but it was very pure.
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It wasn't like a drone where you could see like, you know, blinking lights or nothing,
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but it was just a very, very pure light.
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That's extremely important for the audience as well, where like the ET,
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whatever the ET stuff.
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And we don't even know if that's extraterrestrial, but it doesn't seem to be like prosaic,
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nuts and bolts like we're building.
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That stuff, I don't know, looks at most like a plasma orb if you had to like, you know,
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compare it to something that is manmade.
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And it's often extremely ephemeral, weekly and tangled with that.
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Maybe there is some sort of sensor pickup.
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But things like this where you see things sort of hovering there, fly off,
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people interacting with it.
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I mean, that seems mostly of the manmade.
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Why would ET be trying to help out these guys?
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I don't think anybody, you know, that's kind of the thing that I, you know,
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repeatedly say because it was like, no, 100% was manmade.
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We based off of that, I can confidently tell you.
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And I know for a fact recently, you know, throughout the last almost two years,
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I know for a fact we've, you know, reverse engineer technologies.
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And that's where the big secret is, is because they don't want people to know that.
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Because then they have to explain to the whole world, and why we're still on fossil fuels,
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why are we still having to depend on oil and gas for our vehicles,
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or even medical technology being is, it could be further advanced, you know,
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which I've been exposed to.
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And everybody gets confused to think that Jake's team has access to this technology.
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It's like, no, this was somebody else that was in the programs that was on the geneticist level.
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That was dealing with this kind of stuff that has this technology.
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I'm even hearing this because I've heard you on a couple of podcast curves and,
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And I think maybe the most overlooked detail is the mission itself.
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It's like, okay, Obama's family has mentioned, you don't have comms.
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Do you ever think you were sort of set up, or there was something around the mission itself that was a little...
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I mean, it could be entirely possible.
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I wasn't planning this mission, or planning anything like that.
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It's very odd, and it's very weird.
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But again, this is the first experience of going on a first mission by myself, you know,
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since I was freshly in at that time.
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So that was the first mission I ever did.
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So it's like, okay, it's kind of like, just put together really quick, you know.
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Yeah. That's what it felt like.
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Because I think this is important to touch on, too.
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This wasn't with your normal fire.
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Your squad leader, your fire team leader, has spoken out against you before,
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yet on public, but this wasn't with your team.
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And this wasn't a special mission.
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No, there's no secret mission with this.
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This is basically almost like a working party.
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It was good because we just wanted to get off the ship.
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And that's all it resulted.
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So yeah, if we do all these security loading up boxes, well, yes.
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Better than being cramped up on a ship.
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Do you ever think, because later, Jake Barber backchanneled with you,
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and I think he dealt with the transport of high-value targets?
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So do you ever think that maybe this actually had something to do with Obama's Indonesian long-lost family?
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And they were actually being transported on these.
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I don't think so, because when, so, now that everybody understands the mission,
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and at least with what we encountered, now I can kind of go into talk about how I met Jake.
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So real quick, before we get into this, what happened to the photos?
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Okay, so a good question.
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So what happened was we ended up going back to Subik Bay after that whole, you know,
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the mission we ended up getting a ship going back to the Philippines,
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basically regrouping for the rest of the fleet.
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We pull on the Subik Bay, so we have like, I think, four or five days of liberty there.
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So I had my camera, so, you know, which these guys also had their phones,
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which I don't think they took them with them.
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They may have, I don't remember.
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But I had my locker secured when we were going out into town,
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and we were supposed to report back, excuse me, at nighttime.
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Right before, you know, I think 10 o'clock is when we had to be or 11 o'clock,
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I can't remember, but, um,
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end of going back that night, the first night we were out,
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and then I go into my locker, and so of course, there's the camera's out there,
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and I look at my rack, and then there it is, because I had the top rack.
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And there it is, and the battery's missing, and the memory card's missing.
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So I had another battery in my locker, so I went and got that,
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popped it in, tried to turn it on, and it would work.
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The other guys that were with me were missing their phones,
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and some other stuff that they had,
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and that's to remember what I can remember,
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at least with one of the guys was there, but, um,
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that was very weird, because who else would have access to that?
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And the lock was not broken.
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So I don't know how they jimmyed open that locker with that lock on it,
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unless they popped it somehow, and took that camera out,
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because that camera was secured, and then they get back, and there it is.
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It's completely, you know, disheveled, and you can't turn it on,
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and it doesn't work anymore, so there goes the evidence of that.
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So somebody knew it was going on, and then obviously,
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this Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, if that's really who it was,
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but if somebody, you know, they had an Air Force dress blue uniform,
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with ribbons, a shitload of them, they had, um, jump wings,
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they didn't have no pilot badge or nothing like that,
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and then they had Lieutenant Colonel insignia, which is a silver oak leaf.
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And he was at the CP, and basically threatened me with CP for the audience.
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Control point or command post, sorry, not control point.
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So it's a command post, and this was back when we were in campansin.
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And so there was nobody there.
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So it was back, stateside.
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No, no, this was in Japan.
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Okinawa, Okinawa, which is Japan, but still.
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So, um, when that happened, so it happened to all of us,
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but it wasn't at the same time.
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And that's basically when he had made a sign in India, saying,
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we're going to talk about this, and the only thing is they remember on it,
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where it's TSSCI, and they knew he was the only thing.
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So I remember putting my social security number on there,
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I remember putting my first and last name, or middle name too.
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And then, um, he told me flat out that if you talk about this,
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It was a scare tactic because the thing is, even people in the government I talked to on this
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Senate Armed Services, for example, there's no protocols that would allow for something like that to happen unless you were working on a program.
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So I don't know whether this was just a scare tactic to basically just say, hey guys, we haven't forgotten about you.
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Also, for the audience to say, I do think it's important to say, you haven't made any money off of coming out with this story.
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And in fact, I know this about you and I know you know this curb too.
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You have a pretty successful business out here in Colorado.
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Yeah, multiple companies.
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And so if anything, you're sort of losing money.
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No, I've had the, you know, I have Rolexes.
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It's one thing I collect.
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It's another business that I do with, you know, obtaining watches and trading them up or selling them.
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You know, it's a good side hustle.
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You can find the right buyers, of course.
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But, you know, it's one of those things that I have to grind to make money.
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And the best way to do is with my companies.
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You know, this doesn't, I'm not getting paid to be here today.
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I don't get paid for interviews.
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I don't get paid to go have meetings at Capitol or anything like that.
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I sure as hell don't get paid to go attend grids events to either, you know,
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speak at some of them because something may be valuable.
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And that's kind of the thing that, you know,
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I wish I was making more money because who the hell wouldn't want to make more money.
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But this isn't a path to do it.
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So the thing that I tell people is just like, you know, you'll know people by their deeds.
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You know, people based off their actions and what they do and what I'm trying to do is basically solve this problem we've got.
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I remember hearing your story around that National Press Club event.
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And my first reaction is this is the weirdest of all the testimonies.
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And so I didn't know what to make of it.
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And then my second like meta reaction is like, maybe it's the most likely to be legit because it is so not like a script you would write.
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And it's, there's so many loose ends where, of course, you're signing up to get accused of all sorts of bullshit.
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You know, by just telling the story.
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All of us are gone through this get accused of it.
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I don't pay attention to it.
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I don't care what anybody says.
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It doesn't do anything.
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They're not paying my bills.
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I mean, this is the problem with people these days is they put too much validation into people who realistically hate to say it this way.
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Why am I going to care what a cab driver or a bouncer or some random person walking in the street that I have no idea exists until just seeing them.
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Why am I going to put more emphasis on what they care about?
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Or because somebody says something on Twitter who is hiding behind a ghost encounter.
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Like, I'm not going to put effort into that.
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I'm going to put effort into what I'm doing as best as a cam which businesses my first thing.
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That's my livelihood.
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That's how I make money.
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And I've lost, I've lost contracts.
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I've lost business because I've came forward.
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So if anything, it has hurt me.
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So you come back to the US and this is what 2019, 2010.
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So probably 2009 and then, yeah, getting back probably 2010 early.
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How long do you stay silent on the topic and what convinces you to go public?
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So at the time, like I talked about meeting Greer in 2018, I kind of hinted around that.
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My ex I was with at the time.
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I told her a little bit of the reason why I was wanting to approach Greer.
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And then so she kind of heard a little bit of it.
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But then when I came forward fully through Greer's press club or press club event.
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But also he had a two day event before that too.
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This is where Jake was basically where I met Jake.
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But I didn't know it was him.
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If that makes sense, he introduced himself.
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But I had no idea it was this gentleman.
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And so he, I mean, he's, you know,
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That was the first time you'd ever come out as this national press club event with Greer.
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And you can add color to this as well because I know you know, know a lot about Stephen Greer.
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He had held a similar national press club event like two decades earlier or something.
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In 2001 and he hosted a panel of whistleblowers.
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And it's an excellent video.
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I'll draw attention to Mark McCandlish and the alien reproduction vehicle flux liner.
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We talked about it featured individuals such as I think Donna Hare from NASA who talked about NASA scrubbing UAP photos.
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And he also had an accompanying 2001 disclosure briefing document, which is an excellent piece and features so much whistleblower testimony.
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So this was kind of the first time he did a symposium like that since 01.
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And just also broadly, Stephen Greer was the guy over the last three decades.
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If you were going to come out and say anything on this topic, he was kind of the only game in town in many ways.
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And there are other researchers that you like to talk about Bill Hamilton and others prior to Greer who've set a lot of the foundation for what he talks about.
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But he was kind of the guy or somebody like Michael and his, you know, with his experience to come to.
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Not only that, but there was a long period of time which may continue today where researchers give Greer witnesses.
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And so researchers say these are witnesses.
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This is their name number and background.
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And one example is Bill Hamilton giving primary witness Brad S. to Greer back in 97.
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So he's doing a more modern version of this national press club event.
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You're speaking at this event.
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Jake Barber who's recently come out again this Air Force vet who claimed firsthand retrieval is there, but he's there trying to infiltrate Greer on behalf of legacy UFO programs.
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And so what what happens?
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Well, you know, so it's interesting.
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So I wake up to this message from Greer one morning.
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And he sounded to me like two in the clock in the morning because he stays up pretty late.
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You know, he tries to be and he lives in obviously the East coast and then he's like lives off a West coast time, which is odd, but this is scheduled.
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So I go to bed pretty early when I don't have anything pressing because I like to get my rest and then the next day of me, my days are usually crazy as it is.
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But so wake up this message and it's literally hey, this gentleman, you know, I'm not going to say the alias that he was using because I don't want that to be out because then all of a sudden they'll just.
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Good create problems if Jake wants to speak about that, then you can speak about on his own accord, but I want to put anything in front of him and he doesn't need to be concerned with.
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So he says this gentleman knows what you saw, but here's his contact information and get a hold of him when you can.
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So I'm like, oh shit.
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So I sit on that for like a day and a half.
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I'm just thinking like what should I do? Should I just load off or.
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So again, touch with them so I call him no voicemail can be sent or anything like that.
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So I'm a text message. So all of a sudden he kind of goes off of a little bit in detail, wanting me to come out West to meet with him face to face and he can explain what it is that I saw what he knows about.
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So they'll take my security into consideration. So because we got picked I got picked up in a armored vehicle, which was pretty badass.
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And this was after you had met him at the National Press Club.
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I had introduced to him, but I wasn't introduced to him as the guy who knew what I was spirit.
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So you had met him, but you didn't connect the dots that that was this guy.
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The career was talking about who knew him a bit more about what you had experienced.
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That's right. Okay. I got it.
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So, you know, nothing. Do you remember that interaction though at the National Press Club?
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Oh, yeah. I told him a little bit about what I do business wise and all that.
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So he's kind of asking me questions. But you know, he he looked like, I mean, because everybody you see when he looks like when he wears glasses, he's wearing like this suit jacket and the kind of stuff like that.
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He kind of looked like a geek a little bit. You know what I mean?
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It's like, okay, this, you know, this guy is just probably something that I'm with this. But here's a former tier one operator that's, you know, a bad ass guy that.
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I mean, I wouldn't double cross that guy.
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He's just a guy's a him and his team are very good people. Very good guys.
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So, um, so he talks about the security aspect of it, which will pick me up in the armored vehicle, which was pretty cool.
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And so we were trying to negotiate it when I can fly out.
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So we get a time schedule. So I end up booking the flights and telling them this is when I'll arrive.
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And you know, basically tell asking him where should I fly in and where do I, you know, fly back. So he told me basically how to set all that up.
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And then he had transportation waiting for me. So he gave me this gentleman's number. And so they picked me up.
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And we drive from the airport to another location.
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And we go to this pretty cool place. And where Jake was at, like an office.
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And where are you? I, well, I'm just going to say it's in California.
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But that's all I'm going to say.
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Yeah. I'm not going to give specifics to where this location was, which is hard to do because I mean, there's people who who research this and by all means research that figured out you're going to find some interesting stuff.
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So we go to this particular place in California.
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And he's so he introduces himself again as this alias, right?
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And so he ends up sending a driver to go get us lunch, which was cool. And so he ended up knowing what I wanted, which was weird.
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But that's not a separate tangent.
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Can you knew what you wanted food wise?
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Oh, this gentleman did because I told him I wanted some subway because I haven't had that a while.
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But he knew the exact order that was your favorite order or something.
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Okay. It was very bad like a little dossier on yours.
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I don't know if that's what the case was or the sky was.
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What would make sense in the context of Jake even saying that his initial role was to red team or infiltrate the ramp?
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And I mean, that speculation, of course, he told me personally that what his role was after the fact of getting to know him and, you know, getting information from him for almost the past couple of years.
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But this guy that was with him was a very good person, very good guy.
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And I mean, everybody that I known through Jake was was a great person, you know.
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So we ended up going into this office building.
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We're not really an office building, just like an office, like a conference room.
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So we sit down. He tells me, okay, go ahead and take out your phone and put on airplane mode and set it off on the side.
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So he, I do that. And then actually prior to that, he pulls out this one thing.
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It's like this box with a slupe.
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And he says, so he went over to himself and was like, go ahead and, you know, take it, do it to yourself.
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And that's when he, we heard the beeper go off on that one because it went over the phone and it reacted.
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So he's like, yeah, go ahead and put on airplane mode and do that.
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So he's making sure I wasn't trapped, wasn't chipped or had any kind of, you know, listing devices or something, you know, like a wire, for example.
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So then we sit at this conference room table and, you know, he's explaining to me what it was.
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He explained the containers, explained the program, P3, which is, P3 is not the real program designation.
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It's just what they call it, which was a psionic potential predisposition.
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Okay. And so yeah, what, what do you mean?
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It sounds, it sounds very far out there.
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And then these shoes for the last almost two years and understanding that consciousness is really the key to this whole thing.
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If you wonder, if you want to understand how these UFOs operate, you need to understand consciousness better.
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And so who, yeah, what was in these containers because he thought initially it might have been drugs.
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I thought it was drugs and he said that was completely wrong about that.
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And what is he telling you?
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He's saying it is basically these people who are psionic assets who have been screened from third world countries that they use them.
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Because there's different groups that are recruited out of the United States to participate in different parts of the world.
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And explain what a psionic asset is.
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These are people that are, they have a psychic ability to an extent to my understanding.
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And they use these people to basically hook up to this advanced technology, whether it's anti-try technology, ET craft, if you will.
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And basically either summon them or call them in and invite them in.
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And then the dark part about this whole thing, because everybody started getting wrapped up in the human trafficking.
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That got slapped onto it.
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Now understanding how the dynamic is now where these people volunteer for this kind of work because when it's, if you had, I know if you guys had the opportunity to participate in something that was mind-blowing with this technology, would you guys accept it?
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I'd be, I'd want to know more.
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I'd be cautious. What about you?
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But if it was in a sense where you're participating because everybody's like, oh, these people are dying on all that.
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Well, why aren't you complaining about people going to the military?
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Because you're taking risk going in the military to where you could die.
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Or you want to drive a race car for a living.
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You happen to crash. Well, that kills you. You play professional sports. You could always get screwed up.
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When I did competitive bodybuilding, people talk about the risk of being on performance and enhancing drugs.
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Well, let's, even just super basically for the audience. So these psionic assets are, what are they doing, vis-a-vis UFOs?
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They are basically getting into a cognitive or a state of consciousness to attract these craft to appear at these certain ranges in this organization, not Jake's team.
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So everybody needs to understand that Jake's team is completely different from what this organization does.
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And this organization will then sometimes target them with these EMP weapon systems, their scalar, and they knock them out of the sky.
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So you're sort of baiting the UFOs to come in and then you're knocking them out of the sky?
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That's where Jake's team would come into need is because his team will get contracted to go pick up these vehicles and then transform to a facility.
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Okay, so you speak at the MPC. You're then contacted by Jake and you then take into a location.
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Now, what about the other five Marines that experienced the eight gone possibly reverse engineered craft with you?
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What have they set? Because I don't know, but I want to take that off.
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Two of them have reached out after the fact. The other three have not.
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And I don't think they're going to. And I frankly don't think they're, they ever want any part of this.
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Now you I can attest to this. What have you personally seen because I have shared some communication with two of them? What did you see them do?
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Yeah, both from communications like between you and them that you've showed me as well as Joey trying to speak to these two specific Marines.
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They always every single time say leave me out of it. I don't want to talk about it, but never once have they denied it.
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You've offered to actually show us some of these texts while obviously removing any personally identifying information with your communications with one of these.
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You saw that you saw the unredacted before, right? Yeah, to make sure you get to know the names because of seeing them.
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Yes, we've seen the names and yes, yeah.
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Okay, so this is which side is you, Michael?
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So I'm the paint the light pink text and this guy is the purple purple text, right?
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Okay, so he says sounds good, but says, Hey, man, this is asking too much of me and it's not worth the risk.
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And this is presumably after phone call you got some phone call from when I was instructed by some people in the Senate.
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And tell try to get a hold of him to see if he wants to actually talk to us.
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Okay, so you just spoke you asked him to come out. He said, Hey, this isn't this is asking too much of me and it's not worth the risk.
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So family and military career far exceed anything you are asking of me.
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It's not worth my life or jeopardizing my family.
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You need to get out of whatever you are in and don't get me involved.
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The presumably I can't view it because it's a screenshot.
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Okay. But he basically after that says don't ever ask me to do this should ever again.
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That's what he said the last part.
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Yeah. All right. This was another guy that reached out to me.
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Yep. Through LinkedIn after he saw my Sean Ryan appearance.
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Yep. And again, Gerbin and I both have seen the names.
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But squadmate, right?
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Yeah. So what the fuck else does that mean?
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So your interview, my email is blank, right?
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So I said, my message to check your email.
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So what's that buddy? How are you doing?
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Is I'm doing good brother so that you're getting the word out mad respect.
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It said that means a lot here and from your brother, especially since we were close.
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And then he says, you have brother keep the faith.
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There is nothing no borders lines that they won't cross.
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This is why I was spying through my team.
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So basically if you wanted to get involved with us trying to do this.
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And that's pretty much it.
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And you guys saw it when it wasn't redacted.
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You guys saw the names. You guys saw that nothing was.
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Yep. And you said, well, I have a spot for you on my team.
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My team is like go after trafficking.
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Trafficking off. So that's the human traffic.
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Yeah. If that is the case because there's some people who reach out to me.
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They're combating real human trafficking in Africa, South America.
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He's obviously trained. So if he wanted to participate in doing that kind of stuff.
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I got people reach out to me.
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Hey, you want a part of a task force?
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And he says at the end, sounds good brother.
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Because it'd be easy to stay safe.
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But yeah, it says, yeah, brother keep the faith.
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There are no borders nor lines that they won't cross.
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Yep. And these are in South America.
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South America is getting the word out.
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It is he talking about if he's not.
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It's flying that he knows exactly what you're talking about.
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The original Daily Mail article on you posted just a screenshot of one of the Marines.
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See, I'm like, leave me out of this.
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I'm still in the military.
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Something like that.
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Like, I don't want to speak about this.
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But you've showed many further.
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Well, I have shown, yes.
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And I have reported though, are not reported.
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But I have provided Senate Select Committee on Intelligence all those messages.
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Because why would he be afraid to help?
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What's the repercussions if he helps?
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Obviously with what we experienced.
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Why would the other guy be appreciative of me bringing this out?
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Getting the word out of Zsos.
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So what happened to the other three?
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Are they just completely off-radar?
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Maybe, I don't know.
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I'm sure they're aware.
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I mean, most people are.
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You know, but I mean, it's up to them whether or not they choose not to.
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I completely understand them.
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The one that jumped the gun on us.
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So far, they have not contributed in a sense.
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At least that it was able to give me the messages that they sent me.
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That I can provide to say what the fuck would they be talking about?
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If this wasn't real, they would be saying no.
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What are you talking about, dude?
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But the fact they're not denying it, the fact that they're against it,
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such as they don't want to talk about it because of the ramifications to the first clue.
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Second clue, why would they be acknowledging and getting the word out?
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The only person saying this never happened was your fire team leader.
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I got two other Marines who say otherwise.
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The fire team leader was not on the mission.
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He was not on the mission.
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I don't know what he was doing.
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He was just wildy or in it.
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Yeah, I don't want to ask you off.
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No, you're just wildy or in it.
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Yeah, I don't want to ask you off.
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But no, you know, it's just, you know, to him, they can think and believe it or they want.
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It doesn't ruin my mood.
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It doesn't do anything different.
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It certainly doesn't derail my mission of what I'm trying to achieve.
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At least with the transparency with this, to get this problem real then once and for all.
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It begs all these questions of like, if we're engaging in black ops in the jungle and in Indonesia.
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And you guys just kind of happened upon this then.
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How many other remote locations where, you know, you just never expect anybody to, any passer
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by to kind of encounter this stuff.
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Well, I mean, like I've been told, Jake's even aware too that there's several different
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sites all over the world that deal with this.
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And you know, Southeast Asia being one of them.
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Third world countries, Mexico being one of them.
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And so because in your Sean Ryan episode, Sean uses the term human traffic again.
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So there's this big debate because I interviewed Jake and that, you know, it's like this question
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of there was, I believe it tsunami warning at the time.
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It wasn't a tsunami warning.
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So the thing is, is everything already happened?
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So this was post tsunami.
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This was post earthquake and tsunami.
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So then were you guys, because the Sean Ryan thing, it was like, there was like, you were
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almost taking advantage or the, the, the, the, the, quote unquote, tier one operators.
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Whoever they were, we're taking advantage of the fact that this was a disaster zone.
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That was a, that was a theory.
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Or it could have been that their, their operation was compromised somehow and they needed
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to get away or whatever it might be.
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I mean, it's, it's just, do you have a bias in either direction?
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Do you think they were sort of rounding people on?
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I'm just, I'm just neutral about it because of being in this situation and now understanding
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at least to, to my knowledge of what takes place now.
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I had a negative, excuse me, outlook on it at first.
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The more I talked to Jake about it, the more he was able to put it into reference and
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Now is it something that is a, a greed, a greed upon?
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Now because they're using children and that, that's bothersome.
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I don't know anybody who would, who would feel good about that because I don't have kids,
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but if I had kids, they were getting plugged in these programs and, you know, being subjective,
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I would have a problem with that and I think anybody in their right state of mind would
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have a problem with that too.
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You know, there's, there's some trade-offs with this, but what people have to understand
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and they vilify these legacy programs like nobody's business, like they're, they're all
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It's the best and brightest this country has to offer.
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They get pulled into these programs to basically make our country better to an extent.
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Now, there are some breakaway parts and factions of this that take their own routes.
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IEJ with his initiative with what he wants to do, which essentially make everybody understand
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that the legacy programs are not all that bad, but also have another outlet for people
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to pay attention to as far as making contact with those civilizations and inviting them
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in and basically assessing the data that they collect, which is public to an extent because
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this is what they're talking about doing.
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If you are baiting a thing that seems like it's coming from another world or planet or
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interdimensional and whatever this is and then zapping it out of the sky, if you know it's
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If you don't, shouldn't we have some caution or not doing that?
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There should some sort of be some sort of system, diplomatic or whatever you would say, but
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this is the thing is, you know, if you're in the military or you're in some sort of
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capacity where you're taking orders, you're not really in a position to think necessarily,
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you're just going to do what's instructed for you to do.
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And I feel the same way is probably perpetrated in people in these programs to an extent to
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This is a reason why they cross deck into these agencies because they still have the same
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They still have the same type of orders that are given or things like that.
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Yes, you're more free thinking, but at the same time, you're also doing sort of the same
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So, you're just in a different capacity.
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So if you're taking orders to say, hey, this, you know, if whatever comes into range,
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I don't think anybody's going to argue with that because the amount of pay that comes
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with this and that says you're only opportunity.
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And these guys get paid pretty good.
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Yeah, well, this isn't necessarily blaming the operators who are in the office.
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No, and that's the thing is that they're told one thing because the management level of
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these know what's going on to an extent.
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And this is where it comes into either they're doing this for their own personal benefit
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or their gain for the whatever group they control, ie through money, coercion of certain
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But again, this is speculation.
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But at the same time, the facts are is that we are shooting them down.
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Yes, they are facts.
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And regardless of if everybody out there says, I've never seen this happen.
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Well, yeah, you're not going to.
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You're not a part of these programs.
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You're not a part of anything that's going to get you into this because the people that
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are involved with this, they don't like to talk about.
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They like to do the work and they do what's required of them.
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They get paid a lot of money to do it.
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And some of the work and a lot of the work that they do is probably very fun.
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They probably get to do things that are not normal that nobody in this room gets to say
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that they get to do, right?
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Because you hear rumors of the psionic assets having sundown or syndrome or health effects
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And you get, I mean, I think this goes back to ancient esoteric practices and.
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It's sort of this thing where if you're not of an extremely pure, you know, internally
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coherent state, then you get a reflection of the pain.
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That's inside of you.
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You're going to manifest whatever you're projecting out there.
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I think that's realistic.
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But what we're talking about is not like trying to summon a spirit.
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You're summoning essentially technology that has consciousness to it.
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Now what's the distinction?
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Well, the difference is, is obviously if they're extraterrestrial, then have a consciousness
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that's coming from a different star system, that's what's different.
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This is the, now they may know that.
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Based off of where, however they're in or how could this just be like an occult thing?
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That's been going on for hundreds of years.
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How do you think they learn?
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They learn from the occult.
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The secrecy aspect of this is, you know, you have different fraternities or secret societies.
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I mean, everybody knows I'm a free Mason.
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I've talked about it, but everybody speculates all because I'm a free Mason.
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I'm a disinformation agent or something.
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Or I'm a part of the New World Order.
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And then they see the SDG pin that I wear, which everybody says is the world economic forum.
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I am too poor to be one of those guys and I do not fit whatever they need.
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I think this is an important discrepancy to bring up to.
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When Jake discusses Skywatchers and some people on the Skywatchers team, the P3 assets
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are quite engaged with what they do.
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They're happy, they're former military or they're, you know, well-treated individuals.
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When we first did our interview early in summer of 2024, what you knew at the time was
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that the P3 assets were essentially treated like trash, given drug cocktails to interface
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with the craft, treated like garbage.
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How does this leverage connect?
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So here's the thing is I think the speculation because one of the things is because they're
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given drugs is an absolutely mean that they're treated like trash.
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What it does is it allows them to operate at a higher level of consciousness, even though
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there's some disassociation with it, or if there's other trauma-related things that happen
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early on in their lives or they induce it somehow, granted this is not what Jake's team
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does, the operators he has on this team do not do what these legacy programs do.
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It's completely different.
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So everybody thinks that if Skywatchers participating in the same type of operations
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is legacy, I hate to break it to you.
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It's not even remotely close.
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It's much more peaceful, it's much more informative, and something that's going to be a little
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bit more transparent compared to what legacy is doing.
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So it could have been a different program outside of Jake's that referred to the P3s as
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Well, that's what they call, that's what the program calls them or pink asset.
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Biological equipment like cattle.
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And that's always stood out to me.
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Granted, that is something that has been communicated to me.
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That's the, some of the programs refer to them as that.
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Doesn't mean Jake thinks that that's the case, or at least that's how he personally
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views these people because he doesn't view them that way, but this is what the program
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Now corporations out there are no different.
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Big corporations treat people like numbers.
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Okay, well, guess what?
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This guy died, so we have another person filling his spot and we can forget about it.
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Military is the same way.
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It's just a constant rider of repeating the trainings and getting people in these roles
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and then basically getting them up and somebody gets out, they get in or they get killed,
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they get another person to fill the slot.
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So it's really no different from that, but in the same token because it's so abstract
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that people want to lynch onto and say, oh, this is evil.
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Well, military is doing the same thing.
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Is there a way to do this that is above board?
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I get brings up all these philosophical questions because it's like, I'm all for protecting
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And I do like the people who create some false equivalents between the way people live
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in domestic China right now in the US, as messed up as our country is, I think I'd much
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rather live here and I'm all for protecting it.
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And so there are these game theoretic dynamics where I'm sure they're doing similar things.
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But then the meta philosophical question is like, we're talking about aspects of the
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And I don't know what these beings are.
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They could be angels.
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They could be really, you know, either they could be demon.
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I don't know what they are.
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Well, demons don't need flying saucers to come here for, let's get that straight.
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So you think they're extraterrestrious?
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But do you know, but if they're not bad, you're just beating them and zapping them out of
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Like different than if I was to have an exotic car driving through a bad neighborhood and
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they decided to shoot me and steal my car because it was messed up for them to do.
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You want to talk about the ethical conflict here because that's really what it is.
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This is the reason why Jake came forward, right?
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Because there's nothing that he was, there were things going on that he was not a fan of.
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Because I think Greer has spoken about this that when he spoke to Jake, Jake, for
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laid that craft were being down and he was deeply on, he was bothered by that 100% especially
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with the P3 as a way they're treated.
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So in his goal now is to just get them peace and peace fully because like, you know, there
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might be biologics in the craft.
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If that's the case, you are attorney possibly living biologics to dead biologics.
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Well, and that's what happens when I fall in the sky because they're subject to our
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laws of the universe within their show and gravity and all that kind of stuff, right?
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If we could peacefully commune with these things, that would be amazing.
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I just think that's what Dr. Greer's whole C5 initiative is all about, which I personally
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attended a few of them.
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Who invited me to because it's more like, I like to see things for Sand to see whether
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or not there's anything credible.
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Dr. Greer's C5 is very real.
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It's very incredible and it's something that I think a lot of people need to understand
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that it's not by any means false.
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But if you listen to the ancient tradition, old version of this stuff, it's always like,
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you need to be 35, married, grounded.
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Like you shouldn't like try to summon anything.
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Well, this is a thing as we're going off of interpretation.
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But one person's interpretation is not going to share the same as the other person's.
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Your interpretations are different than mine, mine are different from yours and so on.
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It's just whatever you personally experienced, whatever's been you're up bringing, whatever
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you believe and value wise is going to shape your narrative and what your thought process
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So if you're brought up on the more religious aspect of things, and yes, you're going
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to think aliens are angels or demons.
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If you're somebody who is esoteric, you're going to say, okay, it's interdimensional or
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it's something that could be extra solar.
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But it depends on what you're up bringing is and what you believe on yourself of what
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But it doesn't mean it's correct.
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And so do you think these things come down and then, you know, we're talking about this
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octagonal, eight-gon shaped craft that seems to be possibly man-made?
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Material derived from what lands or gets zapped out of the sky then gets reverse engineered
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or implemented in these terrestrial exotic craft that we build, is that right?
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That's to my understanding that's exactly how it happens.
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From my understanding from what's been related to me was that every craft that they recover,
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they also make reverse engineered versions of trying to replicate that technology or that
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So this, I mean, Jake saw pretty much the same thing, except much smaller that something
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I was able to be lifted up by a helicopter.
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This fucking thing is estimated 300 feet.
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I don't think his helicopter could pick something up that big, you know, so it'd take probably
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several helicopters, but in the same token.
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So you think what you saw was a reverse engineered man-made version of what he saw?
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Could he lock down possibly?
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Possibly because, I mean, again, there's different groups all over the world that are
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doing the same thing.
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So yes, there's multiple black sites that probably have P3s that are being used to lure
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craft out and then to shoot them down.
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That was the most fascinating part of my Jake interview is he was like, who is we?
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And I was like, I don't know, I seem like the US or whatever, you know, the US corporations
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he might be working with.
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And then he was like, no, we don't like shit.
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Yeah, he's like, it's all, he's like, it's black money.
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It was almost like it was like, Moffeo Wars and international, transnational corporations
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and interests, you know, across the world doing this stuff.
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Yeah, trying to investigate this subject, particularly with the vehicle you saw hits so
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I mean, it's been talked about publicly by Greer, but he always says that he knows the craft
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you saw, the souped up version of the eight gone that Jake retrieved is made by the Lockheets
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Gun works in North of Brumand.
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He says that I myself have pressed into that with you know, I agree with you to art for
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him and say, right, or does he get this?
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Well, that's the thing is I think it's speculation.
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I mean, because unless you're physically working for these companies, you're not going
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to know what's what.
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I mean, he may be putting connecting the dots because he's talked to over a thousand other
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people that may have been working for these programs and maybe have articulated something
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I'm not entirely sure of because I'm not in Greer's head.
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What I will say is that this field offers a lot of speculation and it offers a lot of
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But it's really at the end of the day, we only know what we experience personally and
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what your interpretation of it and how you tell the story is going to be different than
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Because here's the problem.
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Every time you retell the story, you're reframing it based off of memory as much as you
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So yes, I understand that for myself with the story, there could be details that left out
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that I don't remember.
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There could be certain things.
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You know, so it's just going off of memory of what you retell, you're reframing.
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So with Jake's incident with him red teaming the event, I think it was one of the things
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that is a little bit hard for me to accept is the fact that this meaning back channel
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from somebody in the programs doesn't happen with anybody.
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It didn't happen to Hacker, it didn't happen to DC long, it didn't happen to Steven Dignan.
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It hasn't happened anybody else I know.
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Well, people that came forward with me.
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I came forward with you and someone went on Sean Ryan.
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I'm the only one that has been corroborated with or by people.
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Why do you think they chose you specifically?
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Because they knew what I experienced because of what their personal involvement is with
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what they experienced.
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That's kind of the thing of why he offered when I went out to go see him for the first
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time personally, not at the event, but just on a personal basis to explain what I saw.
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One of the things that was, because anybody can say that they're a part of something,
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But how do we really know?
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Well, when Jake took me on a nice little trip out to the desert, that was something that
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proved to me that this guy was legit.
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I'm not going to tell you.
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I can't talk about that.
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I'm not going to burn Jake in the process because I had given him my word that it was
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not going to do that.
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He could easily have me sign an NDA or originally they wanted to blindfold me and then just
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take it off and basically hear you are, but that didn't happen.
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But you saw something cool and mind blowing and confirming of his prior.
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Are you at least able to say if this was above or below?
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I'm not going to hint to either or because I just, like I said, I don't want to burn
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This is the reason why I've been included in certain aspects of this because for me,
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he wanted me to have firsthand experience with a lot of things.
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There are about the subject and he didn't have to do any of this for me.
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He could have just laid low.
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He could have just done his original job and I would have never seen.
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I would have never understood it.
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I could have just labeled one of the crazy psychopaths that some people think I am and that
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Have you learned anything more about the fact that maybe we have reverse engineered,
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working craft, like this eight-gun craft in our possession that we've actually built
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and we know how to fly and that's our thing?
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This idea of alien reproduction vehicles, which check out Gerb's channel, he does amazing
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work on and he talks about the Mark McCannish story.
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Have you heard anything confirming of that?
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Yes, I have, but it's not something from Jake's set in the house, for example.
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It's more with other people that I have been in communications with.
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Anything you can share?
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I mean, I can just say that they exist.
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I know where some of them are stored at, but that's about it.
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Do you think that the designs are copied or we derive material from the UFOs that come
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down or like what was the...
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My understanding is that we don't necessarily replicate the same materials these things are
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What my understanding is we have the same...
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They can get them to look the same using materials we have on Earth, probably even, of course,
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who's to say that they probably replicate the same materials to and allow somewhere
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they may come because they know what they're made of now because they've been doing this
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ever since the 40s and 50s, they've been bringing these craft out.
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So it's like design, inspiration, or mimicry or something.
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I think it's mimicry for the most part, because if they get them to look, you know,
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something that looks extra-trust-real, but it's man-made and they want people to believe
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that, then by all means, they're going to do that.
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The other implication is that we have propulsion modalities in our possession and we can work
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this stuff with transcends chemical combustion and seems to break Newton's laws of conservation
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momentum and that sort of thing.
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And leaves the trees unperturbed around...
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Making no noises, nothing like that.
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I mean, I'm a car guy.
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So if there is a fast car, you implement this kind of technology into...
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It'd be pretty incredible.
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It'd be very dangerous, but can we get any of this working civil side?
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Is that a good aspiration?
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Let me ask you something.
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Let's just say you come up with something that's...
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Could be very beneficial, but for you, you understand it can make you money or you can
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control people with it and it puts you on a plane field that's above everybody else.
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Nobody else has the same stuff you do.
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But if you're this person who's a greedy and this person who likes to aspect of being
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able to do whatever you want, except you get to fold it into some people who make decisions
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i.e. lawmakers and you pay them a lot of money or you pay them money to basically steer
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clear, donate to their campaigns.
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And you basically are above the law.
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You can coerce politicians, you can coerce military officials, generals, you name it by
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just throwing them sacks of cash.
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Now, you're going to really want to share with everybody if you have the stranglehood
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on the most powerful country in the entire planet.
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I think most people wouldn't, but I'd like to think I would, but...
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I don't know, do you?
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Or not necessarily anything, but isn't there a midpoint between those two things where
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You use it as leverage to get, you know, dictatorships abroad to reform and you black box it in certain
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ways that can't be reverse engineered.
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You dole it out in civil infrastructure.
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You still make the world a better place.
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I have to allow it to confer an advantage.
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Fiber optics, night vision and stuff like that, right?
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So you do the Phil Corso narrative.
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To an extent, I think that the...
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What's derived from it's real, but I don't...
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His theory of how they were...
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We have jetliners that can fly through a lightning storm, no problem, a very dense thunderstorms
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that have a lot of lightning and they get hit by it and nothing happens.
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So why is something that's not even from this planet or from a different civilization
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that's more advanced than we are?
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Why is something going to be susceptible to a lightning strike?
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Do you know when we cracked gravity if this is using like electro-agravitic propulsion?
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Do you have any theories around...
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Well, just from what's been already disclosed, which is 1954.
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We've had the hook on gravity control since then.
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And what was 1954 specifically?
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Well, it's just from what Greer has alleged one of his teammates that was an evolved that
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saw the documents that talked about gaining that kind of control.
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And this guy's been on the record several times.
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I don't know his name specifically, but he's been mentioned quite a bit.
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There's some experiment where we tie a electromagnetism to gravity.
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Based off of like even, for example, when they retrieved the stuff from Nazi Germany back
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in the 40s and then sent them over here with Operation Paperclip.
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Now, this can get into a whole different conversation.
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But they had some disks that they recovered.
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The Nazis developed the stuff, but it wasn't stable.
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So when they brought them over here, of course, you had the best scientists who were already
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working on this kind of stuff that were able to amplify it somehow.
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Now that you have the US government back in you giving your citizenship, basically giving
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you right to do whatever you want because you need your help.
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And this is how NASA was created because it was a German who created this.
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It was also the CIA and FBI were created by these people too.
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Yeah, everything you're saying now, I can tell you, it's definitively factual.
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You know, it's not conspiracy.
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Warren, Warren, Ron, Arthur Rudolph, basically the NASA Saturn project was a transplantation
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of the Nazi space program.
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And then you had Richard Mita, Victor Schauberger, you know, a lot of these guys, Henry Kwanda,
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who were working on lenticular, lenticular aerodine saucers.
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Either they moved over to the US or in Mita's case, I believe he, their speculation he worked
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on the Avrocar project of the Canadian version.
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Schauberger, I know the Army counterintelligence court tricked into giving all of his propulsion,
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exotic propulsion stuff to the US.
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And that made it actually a Brookhaven national lab.
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So that even brings up the question, like, do we even really win more war two if that
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If we took the brightest minds, the top military leaders of the Third Reich and brought
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them here and they basically got into positions of power and influenced our government
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and created intelligence agencies, which they wanted to replicate in Nazi Germany, we
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are living present day of what they wanted to accomplish back in the 40s.
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Now I speak fluent German, I know a lot about German history.
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And I know for a fact that this is like this Philip K. Dickman and the high castle in
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there to, but like an undercover version or something.
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So what, so they infiltrated our highest ranks, which they sort of did, but do you think
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they sort of maintained Nazi allegiance?
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Well, look at what happened with Ukraine.
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This is what people don't talk about.
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Look at them waving Nazi flags.
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A lot of the people that went out of Nazi Germany wouldn't occupy that area.
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Look at some of the prisons and stuff like the Aryan gangs, but yes, there's societies
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that have Nazi influence in them.
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I can tell you for a fact, so what Hitler wanted to achieve was a militarized police force.
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What do we have now?
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A militarized police force.
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We have basically healthcare, some free healthcare.
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They have some sort of system for education, which is what they wanted to do.
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They wanted to basically put a ban on smoking a whole lot because they wanted healthier
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And it was funny because even as a free Mason, one of the things that Hitler despised
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was us as freemasons because of the secrecy that we have in the way that we do rituals,
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which you know is nothing spectacular to an extent because it's just tradition.
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Well, one of the things that he liked was how we kept things very secret and very word
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of mouth, i.e. what we call a pass in a grip.
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So pass word and then a grip is obviously handshake, depending on what degree you are,
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to demonstrate what kind of grip you will give.
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And then of course, there's some grips that you give in the public and there's grips
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that you give only behind the doors of a lodge.
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I mean, yeah, like Warner von Braun, Rudolf Hess, him, all these guys were really interested
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And what everybody on that top level was because that's, so part of this council formulations
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was something that helped set up the CIA.
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Well, do you think most of these people that were in the CFR at the time, they were people
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who were read into the occult or participated in themselves in some of these societies?
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That's how they learned the secrecy in these programs was based off of these organizations
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that know how to keep things compartmentalized.
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So they should sound familiar.
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So they keep people segmented and then they basically bring people under those segmented
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parts to basically stay in their lane.
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This is how you have different divisions and different things that people work on that
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basically integrate into a bigger picture.
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You're almost implying that they're like control systems that go deeper than just, you
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know, NDAs and this is your dream.
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And this has happened for thousands of years.
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This is no different.
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The only difference is is the people who exist today are taking the influence from the
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past and still implementing it.
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So when the next person steps online, they get to do the same thing and basically keep
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it going the same way.
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Then it never changes.
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The only thing that changes is when you have people like Jake, for example, who come
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forward and expose what their personal experiences are and basically try to not necessarily
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shatter the secrecy, but they want certain parts of the secrecy to be out.
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So that way humanity can benefit.
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I don't have a problem with that.
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What do you guys think is like, because disclosures in this very interesting place now, where
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I feel like it's made kind of a quantum leap forward and then mainstream society.
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I mean, a lot of this stuff came out around the inauguration.
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And if you look at what's happening in the White House and with the USAID and like Doge,
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like most people are concerned with that and they don't give a shit about UFOs.
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And then you have UFO world where they're like, we have a guy who came out who says he
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were treabed, a crap first hand.
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And it's like they're on an island.
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Like from the rest of society, there's some dark matter between them.
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That's like undetectable.
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So where does disclosures go from here and is there like an aspirational good place for
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Well, let me ask you something.
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So everybody understands how the government is astray these days, right?
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So you have all these moving parts and people don't know what they're doing or they do know
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what they're doing, but there's just so many different things that are developing within
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Do you think realistically pulling these technologies from these black programs and putting
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them into the hands of people who don't know what the fuck they're doing is a smart
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No, it's not not Willie Nile.
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Not like, you know, yeah.
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This is why amnesty and this is why this needs to get more transparent at least for
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Now, some of the free energy tech we could benefit from, but as far as the craft or being
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able to fly, that can stay top secret and it can just be like, yeah, we know nuclear weapons
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exist or thermonuclear weapons.
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We don't know how they work, but we know they exist.
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It could be the same way.
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Shouldn't that be the right analogy where it's like nuclear physics versus nuclear trade
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Or it's like, obviously, yeah, we shouldn't let trade secret that's exactly as far as
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the physics should be open.
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I can tell you personally that I don't think the government would even have any kind of
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first indication on how to manage these programs.
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They're not going to know what to do with it.
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If they're so, and this is the problem, to your face, they're going to tell you they're
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all about the right motives or doing the right thing for this country.
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But when push comes the shove and they don't want to do a fucking thing about it, they're
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going to put people, oh, it's my political career I give a shit more about.
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Well, Congress has an 11% approval rating.
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I've always thought one of the most overrated versions of disclosure is having congressional
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oversight over there.
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Like, I think a lot of these guys don't know their asses from their foreheads.
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No, they as far as the public understanding basic ontological truths and benefiting to
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the extent they can from the tech.
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I mean, that feels like a clear net good.
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What you and I have is an expectation for the government is much different than what
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they have for themselves.
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Their expectations is I get to go home every night.
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I get to check my bank account mixture.
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I'm getting paid the same funding I got last year or if not more and that their reputation
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still sticks around as I'm senator, so and so and I'm this cool person because I'm
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I mean, it's an oligarchy.
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It's a special interest.
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But these people are not powerful at all.
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This group that has this kind of stuff is way more powerful than them.
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So these guys on Capitol Hill that think that their shit doesn't stink.
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I hate to break it to you guys.
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But so you think that the UFO legacy programs are almost like break away power fiefdoms that
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have leverage over the federal.
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They have more money than our government.
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So you think like with this transition, do these UFO programs automatically roll up to
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Trump or are they their own thing?
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They're going to be their own thing because here's a thing.
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Trump's not going to know what to do with this because most of the people on Capitol Hill
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don't believe in this shit.
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And some of the ones that do are very far and few between.
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But Trump has to know that this stuff is real.
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But his son on his podcast, interviewed Ross Koltar before Ross Koltar broke the Jake
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And I'm just reading between the lines and speculating.
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Let me break it to you.
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I've had meetings with some of these people in Trump's administration.
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I can back it up because I got photographic evidence.
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And I participate in a lot of meetings in Washington because of what I'm able to provide
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them as far as a little bit of advice.
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It'll be a little bit more like personal experience.
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They will say it, yes, they're interested into it.
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But when their political careers come up because now they're going to be thought of
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Every single person in this field is thought of that.
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It's the stigma until you have somebody like Trump, for example, he's more fixated
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on things that are more short term.
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That can be a long term thing, which is great.
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I'm not bashing that.
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I think his approach of trying to clean up the government is great because what happens
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is now they start seeing funding go in different directions that's not known.
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When that's apparent to that, it's going to basically say, where's this money going
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Then you're going to have people like Jake knocking on the door saying, I know exactly
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what that's going to.
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And it's going to these programs.
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Well, what are these programs centered around?
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Well, NHI technology or reverse engineered and all this kind of stuff.
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So it could segue into it.
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It's going to happen with disclosure is not an overnight thing.
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This is going to be something that has to take a few generations for people to understand
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because this is unfortunately how fast humans learn.
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You know a lot about the money flow of all this stuff.
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You want to just talk about that?
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I got to say I fully agree with you guys that disclosure probably won't come from the
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I mean, look at Kirk McConnell, the staffer for Senator Jilla Brand on the Senate Armed
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Since 2017, he has been pulling witnesses, talking to witnesses and briefing his Senator.
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I talked to him in a skiff.
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You spoke to him directly for a Sam.
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Because that's soul.
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He was asked by a couple individuals.
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If he had heard of a blue on blue firefight team with a locky, retrieval team and about,
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you know, transporting humans and reverse engineered craft.
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And he said both he had heard.
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So definitely you have talked to him.
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So that sounds like maybe the craft is locky.
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But as far as the money, I mean, I agree that this is probably like a black program or
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I think most of these operate in DOD laboratories or various MRTFBs major range test facility
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A lot of these have underground locations.
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This cash flow is generally, generally moved through FFRDCs, federally funded research
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and development centers or UARCs, University Affiliated Research Centers.
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And this is so the federal government can in those who know when the federal government
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can engage with legacy programs operations through these FFRDCs and UARCs to make joint
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USG and contractor programs, the block programs as we think of them.
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Give us a few big examples of FFRDCs.
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Miter, Rand, Center for Naval Analysis, the IDA Institute for Defense Analysis.
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How much money do these organizations get?
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And there's something called a crystal city.
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Do we have a sense of like, because like, yeah, what's crystal?
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Crystal City is a location just out of the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.
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That is where pretty much all of the biggest defense contractors are.
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And it's in Arlington, right?
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Yeah, you have the aerospace corporation.
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You have the IDA, you have the CNA, the Center for Naval Analysis.
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And I really think the amount of money that's moved can't really be tracked because I
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myself have talked to witnesses who have seen cash moved.
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Like physical bails of cash taken to locations.
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Most of the transactions are in cash.
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And this is something that most even people I've talked to have talked about that that's
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Everything is self-funded in that regard, right?
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So if you have a program that you can benefit off of siphoning funds from the government,
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Tax dollars, they get allocated to that.
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But then you don't have to tell people what you're specifically doing.
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You just say, yeah, it's going to this program and we need 60 billion for it, right?
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So then when it gets to a point of them actually generating owned revenue by themselves, they
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still need that lifeline of government funding because then it gives them a purpose because
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the government gives them the legal authority to do so.
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If the government was like, you know what, we know what you guys are doing is bullshit.
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We're going to go ahead and cut off funding.
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Well, they're still making money, but that's the thing that those discover is how they're
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making money, which is not in a legal sense, right?
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Because they still kept from the government.
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You're using tax dollars to generate programs, which then can generate revenue, which
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then enrich certain people's lives or they use it to replicate technologies, if you
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So essentially, if they figure out everything they're doing is illegal, then guess what?
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They're not going to risk it.
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So what are they going to do?
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They're going to continue lying to everybody on Capitol Hill.
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And because some of these senators and politicians that are so red into this, but at least
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maybe they're getting, hey, I'll give you a couple million for a campaign.
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Just don't look over here.
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It happens all the time.
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Well, you have Congressman Mike Turner, who represents the district that right pat is
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in right patters in which is the center of all, you know, UFO lore and reverse engineering
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And I believe his top three donors are Boeing, Lockheed.
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And maybe I'm getting the third one, Raytheon.
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You know, some, some Raytheon.
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And he basically was helped, Nick's, the eminent domain clause, you know, as part of
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the, you know, explain what happened.
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Now, everybody thinks, oh, shit, that sucked.
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And then we didn't get anything out of that.
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We understand that it's always going to be one step forward, two steps back.
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We're going to figure out what's going on and who's a part of what, when that was gutted
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and who opposed it was basically saying, hey, we're the ones that oppose it.
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Now we know who's a part of it.
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So ideally, having them next, that was a good thing because they expose themselves to
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Now we know what to look for and who to look for.
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So it wasn't a bad thing.
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It was expected, but it was a good thing because now we know who's in charge of what.
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And Turner's out now, which is cool.
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And I think he was out because they figured it out what he was doing to an extent, not
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necessarily with UAP, but just with other programs, right?
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Do we have a sense of yearly, but like if the, you know, NDAA, National Defense Authorization
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Act-based Guarantee Defense Budget yearly is like 800, 900 billion.
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Do you have a sense of how much of that is UFO or is UFO off the books and is it even
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Probably off the books, but there's one example of specific monetary value I can't talk
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So I covered once a witness, Conan Ed, who talked of a joint reverse engineering program
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between the Nevada Test and Trade Range and Edwards Air Force Base to highly prolific
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locations, done a ton of analysis on there.
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But this individual, he, after his time at the Air Force, he went on to work for the
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Pentagon for the research development, test and evaluation panel chain for the Air Force.
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It was here during the span of I think 2012 to 2016.
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He spoke of $34 billion and $40 billion being scrubbed from the books for non-transfer
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authority funds for the Air Force.
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In respected years, I'm not sure which year is the 34 in which year is the 40, but just
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wiped off the books.
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But then you simultaneously to all of this, if we're talking about octagonal shaped crafts
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that can use electro-gravidics, it's like China and Russia are eating our lunch as far
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as I know, on hypersonics.
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And so how do you kind of explain this?
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And hypersonics are associated with the same contractors that are associated with this
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Yeah, so it's always this question of like, have we actually just stagnated and this is
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just like some softening of the enemy sort of, you know, narrative or whatever.
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I had an interesting meeting on Capitol Hill in one of the things that was brought up by
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a particular gentleman who knows of what's going on.
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I'm not going to say who he is.
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Well he was able to figure out and provide us during that meeting was Russia and China
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have their own retrieval teams of non-human intelligence.
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And they have their own technologies, reverse engineered.
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And they're pretty much on par with what we're doing.
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And it's to the point to where we as in the United States assets that deal with this have
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gentlemen's agreement with both countries to say if we target and shoot down NHI, whatever
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team gets their first gets the price.
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Whatever team gets their second has to wave off.
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In this person's a pretty, pretty high place in the government.
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So the fact that that was established because that was a theory of my it's like we can't
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be the only people that have this in this country.
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But it's not even just these countries, it's this organization which is transnational.
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They just happen to exist in other countries that are doing the same stuff we do here.
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Do you think that this could bring us together?
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I mean you have rumors of like Reagan and Gorbachev.
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This is even a rumor.
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Gorbachev, Mikhail Gorbachev says in an interview with Charlie Rose that he was sitting with
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Reagan at some like UN event or something.
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And Reagan whispers over in his ear.
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He says if the United States were attacked by someone from outer space, would you help
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I said no doubt about it.
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And so like do you think there's any hope of this not being this sort of game theory dynamic
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but actually sort of you know create creating kind of peace between the nations where
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is that just totally naive?
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I think the only way that we're going to get full disclosure is if we are peaceful to
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I think if everybody puts their fucking sores down and understands that we have a bigger
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problem to deal with here and it's bigger than ourselves, this is the only way we're
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going to get in ground.
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The problem with this field if you want to call UFOs or a community right, I don't
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even consider my part of it.
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I'm just somebody who saw something fucking crazy and here you go.
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So there's so much division.
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There's so many factions with this everybody thinks that oh this person's right, this
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person's wrong or this doesn't make sense or this makes sense.
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If everybody was to understand that we're all trying to do the same thing and we all
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grouped together, we could get so much further along with this.
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But everybody's like oh I hate this person because of this or I heard this about this person
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so you know he doesn't contribute anything.
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We have to be uniting together to make this happen.
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And it's the problem.
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I don't think it will ever happen unless everybody puts their damn sores down.
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The quote unquote UFO community which I say I think it's so cringe worthy.
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But it's the most like it's like a reality TV show.
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I try to stay out of all of it but it's so, but it's all.
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I don't even pay attention to it because it's just you know what I got more important
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to shit to deal with.
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So just either having these meetings or trying to gain ground on this.
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That's more my focus.
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I don't give a shit what other people say in this community.
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It's just like you guys they can criticize people so easy.
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But if they were ever called to go on Capitol Hill to like talk to they would never do
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Do you feel like people have ever tried to co-op to you given your story because I mean
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you sign something basically with this Air Force Lieutenant Colonel where it's like your
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life is under the threat if you say something.
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Well now that they've passed these laws I mean that doesn't apply.
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And you know that I have had some blowback you know I've had harassment.
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I haven't had direct threats that I'm aware of but other people have heard things but
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I can't confirm that.
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But one of the instances is so when I testified to arrow in April of 2023 after that trip
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I started having these helicopters hover over my house or you know my dad's residence
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for example or over my business.
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What sort of helicopters?
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Some of them most of the time are black hawks and there's one particular CH 47 which
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is a dual rotor helicopter it's army variant that doesn't matter where I'm at in the city
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if I move to a different area it pops up there.
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And this has been and it's weird because you can I have flight radar 24 where I can track
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these because this is you know I had references to Jake several almost several years ago explaining
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that this is what kind of harassment there's other people in the government as well that
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we're having harassment like that happened to them too.
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And partially I think that's why there's why we can't rely on government to do disclosure
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because once they figure out what they're up against they're not going to do that.
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Something that has much more money than them has their own private military has their
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own assets they're more cutting edge than compared to what we've got.
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I mean but it's a symbolic relationship because we need these contracting companies to help
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build stuff for our defense programs which the government needs because this is what helps
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us keep us a superpower in this country but it also curbs terrorism it curbs wars that
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we could have in any other part of the world.
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So if we're to gut them from what they do best and that basically weakens us as well because
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we need these companies to come up with our next you know generation seven fighter jet
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whenever that comes out or new you know tank or new medical systems for military or whatever
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So gutting them would be something that would basically so you think they're actually producing
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a lot of innovation because like society at large is stagnated when it comes to tech society
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has but look at the military it's much more advanced because that's their focus that's
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the war machine so if they don't have a war but it also goes back and forth like you hear
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these stories of like you know nukes be operating off floppy disks you know the story and
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I think it was like 2017 or something.
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Yeah I talked about that it was something I found out personally was that they keep an
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archaic because it's harder to hack.
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You can't if you have a signal that goes up top side that's intentional yes intentional
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not operating offline so no system.
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Okay that's why they do it that way and some of these black sites work the same way.
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So there was you know whatever they understand is black sites operate independently.
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Yes they get funding from the government with some research and development programs
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that they do but they operate entirely by themselves it's almost like its own country.
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They got their own people to manage these things like these refugees they get from these
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other countries that they scream for P3 that don't make the cut.
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Well they have them as janitors cooks you know people to maintain these facilities for
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every single operator you're going to have 20 personnel that are going to basically support
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that operator that are in these facilities if that makes sense such as a medical officer
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whatever that is an admin people pay rule if you will.
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There are people essentially missing all over the world are they are these people willfully
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signing up to be cyanocassets or in certain cases are they being rounded.
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Well they're signing up to my understanding this is what I've been you've been told
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over and over again is that they volunteer for.
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Well they get paid well if you're in a country where you don't get that much money and
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you don't get to do anything cutting edge but you have a skill set that couldn't be used
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in a it could be in a positive way granted we're not in these programs so we don't understand
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really what they do but if they were to do something that's fun that they put their
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skills to they're going to do it.
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You know anybody who's got the skills to do that.
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And so you're saying their family might be taken along to work as logistics and maintenance
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Potentially but I can't confirm that because you know I haven't I haven't talked to
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a P3 refugee from a you know that was you know all yeah my family came with no I've never
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heard of that but then again I would say it's entirely possible if they're going to
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take the people that are essentially going to make them money or give them technology
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Are there gifted and talented education programs in the US that work as feeders to like a
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CEO for a program that I cannot I don't know that personally I have heard it from multiple
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people I know people who claim that they were a part of that but I can't personally talk
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about it because I have no idea.
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Do you know anything about this.
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I only know one individual and that is Jordan.
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Yeah who has talked about you know working on on programs and being at gate programs
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Yeah he's the only individual I know and it was interesting to see him come forward with
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So he's always knew him by his previous suited in Martin.
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So I'm interested to hear more from him about that.
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What do you guys think about Arrow generally.
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This is the all domain anomalies resolution.
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Well I understand it was a front for basically sifting through information and plucking
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people to figure out what they know and then either trying to shut them up or just publicly
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dismiss the person as you know like I do with anybody that testified you know they misconstrued
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What I understand now is that the director there is really hell bent on getting the right
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information now granted.
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So do you like the this is John Kuzlowski who is formerly of the National Security Administration
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and and their National Security Agency sorry and before that you had Kirkpatrick who like
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I don't know one person in this world who who likes you know I think most people who
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Well anybody who's associated with them of course are going to like them because I'm
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pretty sure they're getting paid the same but you know that's just what it is they're
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going to they're going to stick up for their own guy.
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But so most people think I think Kirkpatrick sort of a bad faith actor and then Kuzlowski
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the verdict still out but you think maybe there's hope or.
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From what I've heard from it people dealing with him on a personal level that he's for the
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That was yet to be seen but we will see.
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I mean like I've said and Jake Steven said the same thing you'll know them by their deeds
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and if they start doing good things then that could potentially bring us something to
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good but if they start doing things that we're not approving or you know there's not
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going to help with what we're trying to do then I would say it's definitely somebody
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that we need to consider not even involving.
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You know I think the hardest part is figuring out who's going to be on the right side
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of history with this.
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What do you like how do you position yourself now to be on the right side of history?
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I mean clearly just by coming out in my opinion I think you're you're showing courage and
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on the right side of history but on a go forward basis now that you're kind of implicated
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How do you position?
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I mean if I had a job around this where I could contribute and bring the answers and
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basically provided the public that this is real I would enjoy that.
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It's much more interesting business wise is always interesting but it is some flow
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and the fact is is you know when I have these meetings in DC and with important people
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kind of like it always feels my fire because I get to contribute in a sense to actually
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help people understand what they should be looking for.
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And so when I get invited to partake in those meetings and I say okay this is cool.
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I get to meet very interesting people.
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I get to meet people I never think I'd ever meet because most people see these people
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on TV and it's like oh yeah there's this person here you know he's a part of the administration
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So I think if I can contribute in a sense it's positive I think that that's what I can
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die leaving this earth knowing that I tried to help get us somewhere better because I
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only want from this is just for us to be better for us to have these technologies that we
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could live a lot longer we can live happier we can be healthier and we can be more knowledgeable
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and can be at a higher consciousness.
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Do you think that these technologies will ever come out and you know we'll get some
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of them are there's room there's some rumors and speculation from some reputable people
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I know that that's what they're trying to do and it's more medical based technologies
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So it's a scalar technologies right.
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So this device essentially all they do is if you're not there presently they use a photo
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of you and it has to just be like a symmetrical photo of your face and they do this with
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my dog for example because he like I said he was diagnosed with some sort of bladder
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mass that I thought was cancerous and then this scan it hits the body with around 886
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thousand different frequencies to up to 1.2 million frequencies and then what it does
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is when one of those frequencies registers or peens that specific pain tells you that
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you have this specific element with this specific element it also talks about specific
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frequencies that can terminate that specific cell.
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And they can do this remotely via a photo correct.
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Now the caveat to this is that they could kill people the same way by manifesting harmful
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cells like fast-dasting cancers does that sound familiar.
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Have you ever heard whistleblowers or people trying to come forward that got hit with
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this kind of shit to get them to shut up or it kills them pretty quick you might know
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James Allen the documentary in a Mark McCandlish and the Flexliner story he was diagnosed
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in dead of an aggressive form of cancer about three weeks.
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Do you think that that was caused by some sort of remote scalar weapon.
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I'm more interested in the fact is autopsy said he was poisoned with heavy metals.
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So that almost sounds more like conventional or something.
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But so you've heard you know specifics of people having hit been hit with cancer.
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Yeah but I can't talk about the people associated with on that because I don't want to.
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This is a problem is it bullets and stuff like that are archaic.
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They don't need that shit.
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These weapon systems that they have that they can turn into weapon systems with scalar
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manifesting grossing cancers into your or they can fuck with your eyesight.
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They could fuck with your brain.
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You know that's very real stuff.
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So when they are able to use this technology in a good sense there's always going to be
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somebody who is bad who wants to use the same technology in a harmful way which is why
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And you know it's not like these people that use it that I know that have used it on
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me or like greedy people but they cure a lot of people and sometimes they cure a lot.
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I've seen so you think that technology is going to be the scalar wave healing technology.
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Do you have something to be ecstatic?
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You may well yeah there's always a flip side to everything.
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In order to have good you have to have bad.
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This is what people don't understand.
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Nothing's always ever good and nothing's always a solid.
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All tech is dual use.
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The fuck will car right?
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I need to go to the store and do this.
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Some guy looks at it is like you know I'm going to run over 30 people.
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Yeah yeah nuclear free energy or nuclear bomb or you know it's the same thing with this
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technology you know it just depends on what the person wants to utilize it with.
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A knife that can cut food for you so you don't choke to death or is the same person is
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going to go think ill of it and go look stab a bunch of people.
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It is interesting when you say like the remote there's this guy Joe dispens a that does
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this is like you know so actualization work and it's always like you know you have these
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like remote healings and like people concentrate on a photo and stuff and I you know I don't
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know what to make of it.
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I don't know what to make a div either but I know this device was pretty crazy but it's
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And you know so the type of frequencies and when so here's the thing that's cool about
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So the frequencies that it pings and then it suggests you know because it goes down
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to your DNA but then it goes all the way to the atoms and molecules that make up your
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And it can also detect things that haven't manifested yet and it can curb that.
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So for me for example I didn't tell them my medical history but when they did the scan
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on me they found out everything about me that I never told them.
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And I didn't even know this about myself my dad's you know I was born with very thick
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blood and so I needed a transfusion when I was born my dad's like yeah you've had
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That showed up on the scanner you showed it to you.
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Because the reason why I showed up because the way that my arteries and veins are working
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harder because of having to pump the thick blood.
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And then you talked about it with your dad you didn't even know.
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I didn't even know he told me he's like yeah well you know I told him as it was
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so they said that I had thick blood and he says yeah you've had thick blood center
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or maybe you had to get a transfusion and that's the reason why my arteries and veins
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and capillaries that they're definitely like quacky versions of this that exist commercially
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There is and it's called energy enhancement systems which are you know so you stand
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by these screens or sit by these screens and the frequencies they hit you with they're
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supposed to be of healing frequencies.
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I have yet to do that I can't say if it's legitimate.
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Maybe there's people I know that have had that done but with this particular device
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is it's something that I really hope to God that this comes out because you said I mean
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you're saying there is a plan to exfiltrate it for commercial.
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Yes there is but then you're getting into something it's like alternative medicine is
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what this will fall under because Western medicine is so heavily involved with FDA and
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having to do things regarding that with what they said.
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In this theoretically take-out big pharma that's why they don't want to help.
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Can you live forever on this thing are there people in the UFO program are going to
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I mean the person that one of the people that exists today and I don't know who they
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are they're probably on the first already part of living forever in our world right now
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because of what the technology is.
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That is a possibility.
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Well I would love to understand this stuff better because it seems so pre-Mafasia absurd
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but I also do know I'm interested in this stuff and there's you know you can turn molecular
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mass into frequency that's not at all woo woo to say and physics or biology and every
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you know if you if you did take almost like a bank of like this organ should be operating
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at you know whatever optimum frequency you could probably tune it.
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There's a field called simatic correct correct with vibrations you could you can create
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you know sand structures in like these vibrational plates.
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And so you could theoretically and we know that cellular communication it occurs via
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voltage gated ion channels and so you can the field there is a bioelectric field to
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everybody these are all sort of facts and so theoretically with acoustics and electromagnetic
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fields you could affect bodily functions how you do that in a precise way to heal people
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that feels very hard for me to understand.
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Well it's hard for me to understand because again like I said I was like supposed to
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do this so the first scan took 12 12 and a half hours yeah I was in this chair and
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they were sitting there working like literally overnight and you're sure this isn't really
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good counter intel like the subway order no this is not a good counter intel this was
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something this was something that I that I was that was used on me in a sense to one
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build trust with this particular person but also to understand that this is something
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that is real yeah and it's something that can benefit humanity.
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I'm more interested in that I don't you know yeah the UFO stuff is cool because they
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fly the medical sheet the stuff that we could also do with this technology is going to
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be far more advanced yeah with consciousness I mean that's more mind blowing than just
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watching a craft fly I'm sorry but you know people are so enamored with those but it's
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like that's the boring part of it Jake's even said the same thing yeah to yeah you know so
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when out so the first treatment was 12 hours of hook to this so I fell asleep they gave me
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stem cells in the same process and exosomes which was good they also took my blood because it was
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thick so they put under microscope to see how thick it is it's pretty thick but you know being on
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hormone replacement therapy and having to do blood dumps and stuff like that is what I keep up with
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it plus they told me to take baby aspirin one 81 milligrams or micrograms if you want to call
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it that daily to help with it so I didn't even know that I said I had osteoblerosis well I don't
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drink milk I hate milk milk I mean I like stuff that has milk like cheese and ice cream but it
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hates me so yeah some days it's worth it some days it's not so I knew that about me there's a
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bunch of other things that said you know that it was able to detect and how you've never seen the
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machine this I've never seen a machine this this was last year late February early March but you
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felt it it healed your dog and did it heal something with you to heal something with me I had parasites
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I didn't even know because I started getting like very bad heartburn my stomach like I was my
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appetite was shit I was like okay well I need to take this medication and it didn't make it any
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better then when I got the scan and I got rid of the parasites because it listed three different
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types and he felt better immediately I felt like I was like 20 years old again wow and this was
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happened over a week so so part of it so 12 hours of the first one roughly six hours the second one
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and then the destruction sequence that they do using these frequencies to target the parasites
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and to kill off the bad cells took about four and a half hours they what they also do on this device
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is they program purified water because water in itself if you look through ancient history also
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as a conductor for the body just like anything else here in our life so they program this water
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and then basically you ingest a twice a day morning and evening there's no medications they didn't
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have to cut me open they didn't have to do any of that and everything that they scan me was resolved
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can I speak to these people I can get you in touch with these people yeah it's only a word of mouth
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so don't put their information out if they decree to but they'll ask you questions and they will
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basically you know they want to know who you are first again which if you you're Jesse Michael
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everybody knows who you are in this and I'm sure they do too so with my dog like I said my dad
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took him to the vet because I gave him to my dad when I was competing because I had a full-time
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job and then having to train for a show which took about four to five hours a day on top of a 12-13
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hour job this is not fair to my dog so again to my dad so my dad took him to the vet and they
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said that he had a bladder mass and it was looking like cancer so they're like yeah you're going to go to
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oncologist to figure out what it is he didn't want to do that so I told my dad I said hey this
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isn't a sound fucking nuts but hear me out so I explained a little bit to him at least what he
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understands and so I got in touch with these people and said hey dog is not looking too good can
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you guys do anything with animals and they said yes they can do cats and dogs right now in humans
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they're trying to do other you know like bovine for example or horses is something they may be able
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to do at some point because they're always refining and I don't know how they do this so they told
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me to take my so my dad sent me a picture of his face you know as a very recent photo so I did that
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my dad had told me within a matter of weeks because I started giving him this other stuff that they
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have which is like a blue it's like a nano blue for example so what this blue stuff does is that
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you ingest it and it starts to basically kill all the bacteria and viruses inside your body so it
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makes it easier for this treatment to take a to take effect as well so I told my dad I said
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yeah give him him one ml in the morning every day and then they're going to do the treatments so they
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did about four or five treatments on him said he wasn't looking too good but then they started doing
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the more treatments and with this blue and he was when he would urinate it was very small because his
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bladder was taken up now he'll sit there forever just trying to get everything out
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there was no surgery involved like I said he had cloudy eyes because he's getting old they got
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rid of all that he's like a puppy again and he's appetite is still the same you know he was
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some days he wasn't feeling too good where he was didn't want to move I mean because he's 13 14
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years old almost now it's a different story and knowing that this exists my grandma my grandma was
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I basically like my mom to me and she raised me a shin of dying from paek red cancer that was a stage
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where when they found it if I could if I would have known about this then somebody like her I
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could have had helped and they could have done something about it now granted talking about
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curing cancer is very iffy and it also depends and obviously what side of the fence you sit on
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I know from my experience with what it did for me and what it did for my dog completely cure us
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I do not doubt that this would be something that could help people that are literally
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losing their lives over illness and the reason for not putting this out super publicly like right
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now is the dual use implication dual use but also the FDA of this technology exists and with
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these people it could really be profound and changes but you have the farmer that's more
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interested in getting this money and that's the thing that upset me with covid because obviously
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per diagnosis these doctors are getting somewhere from 16 to 30 and per fucking diagnosis it's like
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yeah so of course there's incentive for you guys to literally mark everything as covid yeah so
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anybody in the medical industry if you're going to do the right thing start thing on an ethics
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this is the problem with this world today it's because agreed it's because of the incentives
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that people get and it's because people want to be selfish about it in the overlap and financial
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interests between big pharma and big food is extremely high that's why and want RFK to do what he's
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doing I have the same well I think the FDA like you know it governs both food and drugs yep and on
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the food side it's extremely lazy fair and loose and so like you have all these like chemicals
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that are allowed in our food things like you know glyphosate you know which are probably an auto
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immune or cancer causing they're like it's like glyphosate is very close to agent orange it's just
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horrible for you and we have all these things that are allowed in the US that are banned in Europe yep
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and then so on that side on the food side we're very lazy fair and then on the drug side once people
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get extremely sick and the big pharma companies are profiting off of you know these biochemical
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solutions for you know whatever their ailments are it's extremely hard to get new drug innovation
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or anything passed through the FDA so like this side is then super strict when you should be throwing
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the hail Mary because you're already really sick the the restrictions should be very wide it should
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actually be like let's try let's try every magnetic whatever you know because you know sound healing
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whatever but then so you can't pass anything by the FDA here and then here everything goes to make
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you sick so it's just completely perverse well that's the thing so if they're working in hand and
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hand trying to make more patients because I guess what a patient care does patient cost yeah totally
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they lose money off that so of course I want to keep people sick do you guys think more whistleblowers
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will come out and the consensus will shift on this topic because it feels like even shows like
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like podcasts like you know Joe Rogan's which traditionally have covered this stuff I think when it
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was less sort of like like less activity was involved and it was like easier to make sense of
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because there were a few kind of hot button stories that you either had an you know an opinion on
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for again those like Bob was our whatever and now they're like I think extremely confused they
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feel like the zone is being flooded and like my basic understanding based on the way he speaks on
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his podcast is like he's kind of like suspicious of like the whole he should he should be I'm not saying
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like you know every whistleblower is going to be trusted I mean there's people out there trying to
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get rich I get it they're trying to find a livelihood if so be it you're going to be found out
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but the same time yes be skeptical what the thing with it too is that these people really need to put
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Eagles aside this is part of the reason why we have this problem everybody on Capitol Hill things
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they know what the fuck's going on because they're senators so and so are they're the president or
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their secretary of defense for all this do you guys are removable ponds that are going to have
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an expiration of your terms and they're going to go living your normal life and some other person
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is going to step into your point they're going to do the same thing you're doing so it's really
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just interchangeable people this is a reason why secrecy exists because they would rather have people
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who are permanently involved stay at that level instead of just having somebody interchange right
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two or two or three terms you're out or you know as a president you're not going to know much
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because you're going to literally just go out and do whatever you're going to do after becoming
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the president so who is if there's this sort of shadow government visa visa UFO programs who's
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the president of that or is it somebody that nobody knows okay somebody that has a hell of a
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bank role that nobody could ever understand or imagine okay and they probably more than likely do
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not live in this country because if they were smart they'd be somewhere else do you have any
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it's all it's about it we hypothesize somebody like dick jane you yeah well he but he would be
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top of the pyramid not yeah it's no but dick jane it would be the representative of like something
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else it's gonna it's gonna be somebody that nobody knows that's never nobody knows their face nobody
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knows they even exist right it won't be a politician I mean I would wager that maybe 10 to 20 total
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people in the world at the full picture of you at the legacy program and they got more funding
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than everybody they could ever imagine I also understand the Joe Rogan orientation towards it
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because it's so the whole the UAP thing is so weird yeah you have on the one hand like you know
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this sort of like Tim Taylor NASA like like all this sort of like strange you know summoning stuff
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around you know you know you a foe or sorry around rocketry like in the history of rocketry and then
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you have this other stuff of like you know uh arrow space black arrow space and like saucers and
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hangers and like nuts and bolts propulsion updates that sort of thing and and then you have like
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what are the NHI themselves and like the ontology there and kind of the metaphysical dimension of
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like jock the lay and diana pasalca and like what we're dealing with and as it's spiritual and it's
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just extremely confusing yeah well and I mean it could it be intentionally provided this confused
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you know or to bring confusion so I mean that's kind of where we have to kind of be very careful
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to navigate that hmm you only know what you're exposed to and then again whoever exposed to
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something could be fed misinformation to say hey go ahead and say this then got it and have
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that problem you know there was suspicion when Jake approached me that I was like okay maybe this
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might be the case but then he's very he's been very transparent about his role you know being a
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red team asset pretty much to try to bump whistleblower's and figure out who's got what and you are
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you're sure you know I've I've got pretty good impression from him in my interview but you're
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sure he's not still you know red teaming like I out there's this moment in my interview where I was
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like how do we know you're not red teaming us right now well you don't don't know that I'm you really
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don't that was an honest answer yeah you don't know that so I and all I can do it I expect to get
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asked that a lot is like you know I'll paraphrase a book from Matthew I think it is like you will
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know me by my fruits well there's what does he really have to benefit from red teaming of his public
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he's out there I mean and it not only that but he well if I'm playing doubles advocate it could be
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you know controlled opposition or you know for what though I don't I'm trying to prove the exit
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for the program because he's trying to prove this this is real that's his whole thing and he's
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helping he's trying to get government institutions to help with that somebody's not going to be in a
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disinformation campaign just to have government involved and then just to you know everybody's trying
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to prove it's real so is Jake which we all know it's real but in the the consensus of the planet
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I think if everybody understood there was real then they'd actually be the first role they can
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get over what do you guys think and you know I think that's very noble aim what do you guys think
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is like the disclosure moment like because you think you you would think that a guy saying I
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retrieved to you if I would be the disclosure moment but that you know I think a lot of people
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like my video on this guy only has like a half million views and they're like 350 million people
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in this country and you know again it depends on what side of the fence you sit on some people
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need disclosure to be something that they have to witness firsthand nothing wrong with that
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there's some people that yes they can take to the information that I've provided to say okay yeah
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reverse engineer does something for me that was disclosure yeah if I saw that then hummin that was
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and that'd be it yeah yeah I would have trouble keeping a day job like you have a you know a couple
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businesses like I'd be like I'd turn into a fiend like trying to figure out sometimes business
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gets fucking boring and then you're like man I wonder what's going on over here yeah yeah yeah start
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trying to research into stuff I've done my the rest of my life trying to take a ride on that thing
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I mean if that ever happens I'd be like Jesse yeah yeah hit me up don't say anything but
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let's be me at this point I mean you know it's it's up in the air what our future holds yeah it's
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up to us to create the future yeah that's really what it is do we want to continue living on the past
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mm-hmm going the same kind of habits and rituals that people do or do we actually want to evolve and
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actually be a better person at the end of the day and help change the world umhmm
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disclosure is going to help change the world and hopefully for the better and not something that's
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going to be taken astray and weaponized somehow like it already has been yep yep is there something
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about so it's the people with psionic assets when Jake even said this on my show where it's like
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you know their diets their uh sense of community they're being tapped into sort of you know they
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don't live in this kind of materialist productionist framework where like this stuff is actually more
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kind of second nature to them yep is there something about the land itself like you think about places
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like um you know skin walker ranch to come to Washington Sedona people just report like weird stuff
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well some of the some of the first C5 stuff I've seen was in Sedona with the grearest team we were
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the demi-levato uh-huh and uh her her that's an absurd sentence yeah yeah I get I get
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where she demi-levato to me to me she was cool to me you know she was cool to me but you know she's
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she's had her troubles just like we all have so you can't really hold her accountable for that
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that's her own thing but you know it was it was cool to talk to her and see what she's she believes
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on this subject you know and this this reaches everybody you know what I mean so it's all walks
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the life coming up it was a certain point to understand that we're acknowledging something
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greater than ourselves you know so seeing the stuff that happened out there was pretty wild what
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did happen out there with salt ord Stephen Krueger still we we went to this I'm not going to name it
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because I you know just in case you ever goes back here to one people trying to like sure you know
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I'm from my that I understand she comes here routinely okay but it was it was a it was a cool place
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in Sedona and uh so we ended up setting up a circle in two different parts one was off-grid one
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was at this place and uh so the first night we were there and in this off-grid place just off of a
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trail road nobody knew we were the fuck out there and there's just like two o'clock in the
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fucking morning right so I'm sitting there fucking falling asleep um you know and I'm having a you
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know drive everybody and these you know unless Greer was doing that but most of the time I was driving
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us so we're sitting there and the way that we are seated is everybody has a part of the
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sky that they're looking at or the surrounding area so where I'm facing I see Greer Demi's friend
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is over here Demi's like right here here um Paula where she's um she's somebody in the UFO
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field or something she's some author I can't remember her name Paula Harris yeah Paula Harris
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she runs Trinity book with Jean-Polay Italian yeah she was there too yeah yeah she's a good lady she
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is a good lady she actually lives where I kind of close to where we live cool um she was there Demi's
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fiancee was there and then Demi's good friend was there and then Demi's mom was there who's
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very sweet and very cool she's very short but she's a good lady both you know so we're sitting
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there we're seeing orbs we're seeing you know disc shaped craft appearing in an out really gold color
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wow and then I don't know what the hell this was so I was sitting there and then you know
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obviously we're way apart from each other yeah something just fucking slaps me on the side of
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on my side very hard I wasn't a fucking animal it wasn't any of them because I'm like
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observing everything and they're saying shit's happening behind me and I'm like okay well I
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can't see but then I'm trying to stay over here to see if there's anything coming on over here
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and something hit me really hard on the side and you don't know what it was I don't know what the
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fuck it was and was it there to correlate with the UFO sighting I don't yeah I mean they were
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saying that their stuff was behind me and shit but then all of a sudden it's sometimes just like
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hard they were saying stuff was behind you like what was behind you orbs shapes blue white color
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stuff like that you just felt something not just literally just like this like harder than that
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on my side and it fucking jumped I'm like what the fuck was that holy shit so I don't know what it was
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what do you say to the people that say Greer is like I don't know holographically like displaying
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stuff oh if that's the case sign the fuck up and pay the money because this guy I mean he
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he this is what he dedicates his life to he gave up his medical career to do this kind of stuff so
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yes does he need to have provide a living I'm pretty sure everybody watching the show if they're
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interested in UFOs they're not going to do it for free when they got bills to pay in the families
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to but is he is he faking any of these he's not faking this shit at all okay there's people say oh
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you know how many op-eds are against Greer yeah publicly to you know say that this stuff isn't real
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that are a part of these programs trying to say it's not yeah interesting would any other
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final things your way you want it well you know and it's just you know I want people to keep an open
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mind but I want people to understand that you know yeah well whatever say the field you're going to
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be on just understand that we're trying to get something done here and it's going to happen
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with or without everybody if they want to help and support and great if not say the fuck I've
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ever went and handled ourselves like we've been doing anything I don't think so okay Michael
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this is an honor man I appreciate you taking the time this is a blast
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