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The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Let's take it back to the day that this happened.
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You're 22, you're logging, you're in the woods.
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Tell me what happened.
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Well, it's just, you know, when you're done working,
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a hard physical labor, everybody's kind of jacked up,
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and there was a whole lot of chatter in the car.
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We're just talking away, you know, starting to get dark.
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We just loaded up our equipment, we're headed out.
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And I looked up ahead and I saw this kind of glow coming
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First I thought, no big deal, you know, it was still hunting season.
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I thought maybe there was some hunters camped up on the hill up there.
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Maybe light shining through a tent.
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It was still something really strange, kind of caught my eye.
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And one by one, the other guys in the crew started looking,
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but nobody said, oh my god, what's that or anything like that?
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It was just kind of an idle curiosity at first.
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But when we burst into the clearing where we could see the source of this glow,
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it was just, whoa, you know, I mean, it was just mind blowing instantly.
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I inexplicably got out of the truck and ran toward this thing.
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But I thought it was just going to take off, be gone in a flash.
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So when you say in the clearing, so you're driving on a dirt road?
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Yeah, it's a dirt road.
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Trees are real thick.
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This was a part of the contract we hadn't cut in yet.
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So trees were a lot thicker there, except for this clearing.
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And we weren't the only ones that saw it.
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Sheriff had on file people who were in the area that saw it.
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You know, hunters and fishermen over there, black candy lake.
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And the movement that they described was what the crew described when it left.
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And of course, I didn't see that.
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What did they describe?
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They described this glow rising up and streaking off, I believe.
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They said toward the northeast.
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And there were some people that probably don't want to be public about it.
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But there was one guy who was just deer hunting.
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And he worked in military intelligence.
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And he stuck by what he and his wife saw.
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They were both together.
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Another guy that was at the black candy lake.
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I won't mention any of those guys names, and that's the Joe's stew.
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But found out later that there was more official investigation that nobody talked about at the time.
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Immediately, though, this was all nonsense in these guys murdered him.
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And even my oldest brother, he didn't believe him.
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He thought they had killed me.
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What we were doing with the brush that we cut was piling it up.
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There were piles that were in the clearing so that the forest service could burn these piles, you know, when the conditions were right or it wouldn't spread, you know.
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Wet conditions otherwise, but burning up this excess material to reduce the fire danger in the woods.
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And my oldest brother was tearing those piles apart.
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He was certain of my body was under there.
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And there were some pretty testy confrontations between him and my brother.
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And I think even my other brother, Dwayne, he initially took that approach, but he quickly became sure that they were telling the truth.
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Now, what do you remember when you were going through your mind?
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And you're trying to, I mean, this is a story you've told so many times, and this is a story that's been turned into a film, it's got to be very surreal.
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But when you look into your memories and you try to go back to that day, well, I don't try to, it's not my try to block out, but it's unforgettable.
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And there's what you remember seeing when you ran into the clearing?
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Well, the whole clearing was lit up with this weird glow.
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It's really hard for any artist or movie to try to duplicate the strange glow there was there, made everything look really, really pretty eerie, you know?
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And did it have a color to it?
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It was kind of a golden color, but with a kind of a softness to it that was, it wasn't like beams of light shooting out, it was just this haze of light.
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And did it seem to come from a specific part of the craft or most of the surface seemed to be glowing, there were darker areas that didn't give off light, but
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it was, the parts weren't glowing, it wasn't so hard, right, that you couldn't look at it, but it had a metallic look to it.
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So what did the craft itself look like?
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It was a classic disc-shaped craft.
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The years later, there was a report, I can never remember names, but this guy was saying that he worked at Area 51, and they had something in there.
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He worked with the tester model corporation to create a model of what he was describing, and that's actually the closest of any of the other descriptions I've seen.
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But I don't think these things have just one type of craft, I think there's many, many different shapes.
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What makes you think that?
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Well, personal experience.
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I try not to emphasize these other incidents, but I've seen the glowing sphere.
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I've seen the giant black triangle.
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There's another craft that were a ball of light that you couldn't penetrate the light with your eyes, but...
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Now this is after this experience.
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I think the reason my brother Dwayne was persuaded more quickly than my brother Don was that he saw a craft in those woods,
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probably 10 miles from there while deer hunting, and it was kind of tick-tack-shaped, and that's something that's been observed by, you know, in military reports recently.
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So you see this thing with this disc-shaped craft, and then what happens?
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It started to move and started to get louder.
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The guy in the truck heard it too.
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There was a low thunderous kind of rumble that actually sort of felt more than heard.
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And then there were other high pitched frequencies.
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I was talking to a group of students from Technical College, and they were really interested in what the sound was like to try to, you know, compare that with the theories that they had concerning what might be their propulsion.
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But the increase in volume, it suddenly got louder as it started to move.
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And, you know, at the same time, the guys in the truck were screaming, get away from there, you know.
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Let's go. Let's go get back in the truck. Let's go.
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And which would have been the smart thing to do, but as soon as it moved, it startled me, and I just ducked for cover.
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It was a log there. I got down behind this log, and they were screaming, let's go, let's go, let's go.
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And I didn't need to be told I was just going to, you know, stand up and run away.
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But see, when I went to jump for cover, I went down and forward to reach where the log would hide me.
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And that brought me closer to it.
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So when I stood up at that point, that was the closest I was to the object. How close?
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It was still like eight or ten feet away, you know, from the surface of it.
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But that was when the energy discharge happened.
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I've worked on a number of theories about what might have happened.
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At the time, some of the other guys on the truck were thinking, I mean, immediately Steve said, it got him.
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Like, you know, if you shot a deer, you got it, you know.
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And so it might not have been as we assumed at first that it was some kind of stun gun or something, but maybe just closing that gap allowed this energy to leave.
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To ground through me.
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Extantic electricity or something?
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Yeah. One thing that really weighs heavy in that direction is that when I found years later that the...
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They have satellites or something that record the number of lightning strikes.
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And that area has the highest frequency of lightning strikes of any place in the continental United States, except for the Everglades.
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The Everglades has a bit more, but that's over water.
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So that adds to another theory of what were they doing there, you know.
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That has a high level of lightning strikes.
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Do you think it makes sense that they're observing that?
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Or is that why they were there? Do you have any thoughts about that?
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Well, until a few years ago, you know, you walk down the rim road and if you see a tree that's been hit by lightning, you can always see it.
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It's a strip of bark that just blasts it out of there and it's all bare.
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And it can actually still survive the lightning strike, but it turns the...
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The sap to steam incidentally and it just explodes out the side of the tree blows the bark off.
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But I was at a conference where this lady was...
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I said, what's this? And she says, that's vulgarite.
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I said, what's that? And she says, that's when lightning strikes the earth.
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So you've got millions of volts, millions of degrees that form these crystals that aren't farmed geologically.
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So I kind of leaned towards this theory that perhaps they were looking for vulgarite for a very unique kind of crystal that would be formed by that kind of blast of energy.
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I'd never heard a vulgarite before.
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Hmm. Can you pull up an image of that, Jamie?
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I like to see what that looks like. I know, Trite Knight is something that happens when they call it nuclear glass.
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It happens when there is either a nuclear explosion or when asteroid impacts hit the earth. That's it.
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Well, these crystals are supposed to have very special properties for people or into crystal stuff, but...
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What does that say there, Jamie? This is what happens. That's what...
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Wow. That's wild. It's beautiful, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. That's pretty wild.
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So you might be that they were looking for that.
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Could it? Maybe something that they use for energy. What is that?
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That's really when lightning struck Santa Crate, that thing? That's wild. That is wild. Look at that. It looks like a tree coming out of the sand.
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That's guessing. That was wet sand. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's right next to the beach. It must be wet. That is crazy.
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That's really wild, man.
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