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You're Roman Boyn, Jack and I.
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The Joe, Rogan, experience.
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Shrane by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night.
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Hello. Good to see you, my man.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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The moment I saw that documentary, I was like, why?
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Let me just be honest, off the bat.
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I loved your first documentary.
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But when someone says there's a documentary about a crashed UFO
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and it happened in Brazil, I'm always like,
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man, people tell stories.
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I'm like, maybe it was one of those.
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I didn't think too much of it.
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Want to hear stories?
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Even Roswell, I always go, man, I don't know.
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It's so hard to know.
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1947, I think some shenanigans are going on.
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But what was it really?
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And how much of this is just people tell stories?
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And those stories grow and change over the years.
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And almost like the story becomes their real memory
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after a while, because they've been doing it for so many,
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But then this one, this one, just right away,
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the way you captured all the information and the evidence
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and the eyewitness accounts, the photographs
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that people got, the depictions of the actual being.
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The fact that there was live beings, this is a,
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and everyone that didn't even know each other
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having these really similar stories about what they saw.
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When people got a hold of the wreckage,
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when you first started making this documentary,
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did you have any apprehension?
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Like, oh, this one, how do I sell a documentary
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Like, what's the best way to put this together?
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Because that's part of the art of what you do, right?
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Let me tell you how skeptical I was.
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So I was making my second documentary on UFOs in the late 90s.
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I just finished a documentary called UFOs 50 Years of Denial.
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I'm starting on my second film.
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And I partner up with a couple of guys,
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Boris Zuboff has been a partner.
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I'm still working with him today.
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And this guy, Tim Coleman, who's a British reporter.
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And we, like, mapping out the film concept, like,
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hey, we should cover this case, and we should do that.
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And he's like, hey, mate, we gotta do this amazing UFO crash
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in Brazil with these aliens.
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We're walking around the town,
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and I looked at the guy and I thought,
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I think I picked the wrong partner.
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This guy's fucking bad shit crazy.
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And literally, I dismissed it on the spot.
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And I refused to even read one word about it.
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I said, there's no way in hell that that happened.
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And the whole world doesn't know about it.
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So after I remind your audience,
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I was making my second documentary on UFOs.
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Like this, like, how fast can you say how to duty?
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It just always seems like if someone's telling you
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about something like that, like, you would have heard about it.
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I can't tell you Joe how quickly I dismissed it.
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And I didn't look into it until 2011.
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Okay. So here's what happened.
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I'm going to, I get invited by this guy,
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AJ Javard, to a place called Beto Ebi in Brazil.
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And I'm speaking at a conference,
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about a film I did called, I know what I saw.
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And this guy calls me Jeff Sagancki.
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He was very high up on the food chain
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in the entertainment industry.
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He's been kind of like my mentor
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and opening doors for me over the years.
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And I've asked him over a period of time,
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like, why are you so kind to me?
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It's a very wealthy guy in New York.
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And he goes, you know, Jackie Gleason told me one time
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that these things were real.
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Don't listen to anybody else.
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And so when I saw you as an independent, struggling,
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young filmmaker, I always wanted to lend a helping hand.
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And by the way, you're going to Brazil,
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you gotta look into that Virginia case
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and I thought, oh God, not this again, right?
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So I was like, well, I had a lot of respect
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I mean, you can look him up.
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The guy's very famous.
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I mean, very, he's big time.
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And I said, oh, yeah, sure, Jeff,
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I'll look into that for you while I'm in Brazil.
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And just to be nice, right?
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But in the back of my mind, I was like,
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I'm not wasting one second on that stupid case.
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I'm telling you, honestly got truth.
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So I go to Brazil with no intention
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That wasn't even ask one question.
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And it just so happens that nuclear physicist
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and UFO researcher, Stanton Friedman, rest in peace.
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And he's there at the conference.
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And somehow the case gets brought up.
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Wasn't about that case, but it gets brought up
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and he's like, oh, yeah, I was in Brazil
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And he's one of the smarter guys, Stanton Friedman.
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I mean, he's one of the reasons why him
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and Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall,
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one of the reasons why we're even talking about Roswell.
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And he's like, oh, yeah, I was here when that happened.
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I met some of the witnesses.
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So then that kind of peaked my interest.
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I was like, oh, okay, well God's dead.
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And I can't completely dismiss, come from Stanton.
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Then I met a couple of people at the conference.
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So I thought, okay, well, I peaked my interest.
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I gotta be honest with you.
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And that's how it all started.
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And that was like in 2011.
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And I was gonna include a segment of it in the phenomenon.
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But the interview at Stanton is that did you get that?
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I got that in 2013 in Brazil.
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Because he died when.
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He died like a couple years ago.
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He died in the airport.
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You know, he told me he's like, James, I'm retiring.
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I can't do this anymore.
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I live in Canada and this remote spot.
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There are no direct flights.
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And I'm always running in the airport.
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It's trying to get my connecting flight.
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And I just, I can't do it anymore.
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And then he retired for like a year or so.
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And then he just, he had to get back at it.
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And he died in the airport running for a connecting flight.
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Oh, he had a heart attack.
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He had a heart attack.
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It's exactly what he predicted.
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And I just like, he was a fascinating guy.
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Because he was an outspoken critic of Lazar.
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And I always wanted to get the two of them together.
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I was like, I wanted to see.
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Because one of the things that the critics of Lazar
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always bring up is his education at MIT.
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I can explain that to you off air in the way
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that he explained it to me.
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And it might make sense.
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But I think that it's hard to dismiss that he worked
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Los Alamos Labs had him on their list of people that worked
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But he was on the, whatever that thing is that they have
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with all the list of employees.
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He knew all the people that worked there.
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He knew how it was set up.
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When they took him there, he knew the security guys.
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He knew the machines that they used.
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They had some sort of a scanner that measured
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the length of your digits exactly.
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So you put your hand on this thing.
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And he talked about it.
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And everyone's like, what?
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That doesn't even exist.
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And then years later, people got photographs of this thing.
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George Napset, he went through those alamos.
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Yeah, laboratory like just right through.
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Let me tell you, this is something that just came in
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the yesterday that I can, for the first time
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I ever talk about in full detail.
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I've talked about on, I did a couple of podcasts
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where I gave, I don't know, in 1993, 94,
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I was working on my first film.
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I talked about it earlier.
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It's so 90s, but whatever.
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UFOs 50 years of denial.
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It's like 80 years of denial now.
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And I was interviewing this guy at an area 50.
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He was like lived on the outskirts of the base
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in a place called nearly near the little alien
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And Chuck, this guy's name is Chuck Clark.
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And he had found all these, and the relevance
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of what I'm telling you will come to light in a second here.
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He had found all these vantage points on the mountain tops
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that he could spy on the base down below
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with high-powered telescopes, with cameras.
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And he was taking photographs of different exotic airplanes
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coming out of the hangars and stuff like that.
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He wrote a book called UFO, Area 51 Handbook and Guide,
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He was an amateur astronomer.
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And he had a couple of really cool sightings
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out at Area 51 that were really like,
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he'd saw these, he'd seen my movie,
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saw these lights doing things that they shouldn't be doing,
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like traversing and then stopping
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and then taking off really fast.
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So anyway, so I'm covering his story,
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because I was intrigued, I mean, in the early 90s,
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the Bob Lazar thing was everywhere.
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I was making a doc on UFO, so I was kind of looking into it.
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I wouldn't just like category could believe it,
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but I'll look into it.
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So I was looking into it.
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And I'm going back and forth out there for many times.
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And then one day I get a phone call from Chuck Clark.
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And I'm back at home in Northern California.
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This is kind of a long way away.
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And he goes, James, I guess something you need to see.
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I said, okay, well, what is it?
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But if your jaw's going to hit the floor when you see it,
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I was like, that good, he goes, oh yeah, that good.
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I said, I'm canceling all my plans,
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jumped to my car and I drove straight through
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I get to his house, this must have been,
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I'm going to guesstimate 95, 94, 95.
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Get to his house and he's got a double wide
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right near the little alien.
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And he pops in this VHS tape.
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And it was like two guys.
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On the quintessential road trip, just to area,
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you know, the surrounding areas, Rachel
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and the extraterrestrial lonely highway
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and they're goofing off the alien,
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taking videos of each other,
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just the typical road trip out to area 51, right?
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Blair Witch Project, totally.
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And then a goofing off next to the photographs
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of the alien in the crash desk
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and then they're inside the little alien
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and like, okay, where's this going?
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Then all of a sudden, and I saw this with my own eyes,
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all of a sudden the car is parked
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and it's parked out by the black mailbox in the desert
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The camera is on the armrest between the two seats
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and it's slightly cocked like it's like,
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it's not level and it's filming the dashboard
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and the screen, the windscreen windshield
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and there's two guys in there sounding like,
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sounding like they're trying to crawl under the seats.
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I mean, they're freaking out.
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And then one of them goes, it's over the top of us.
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It's over the top of us.
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I'm like, damn, what is this video?
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Like, what am I, you know,
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then all of a sudden the car lights up on the inside
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but the source of light is above it
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like if you can imagine, never seen anything like this.
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If you could put a pendulum with a light source
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above a vehicle like above the car, like this,
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but very slow and fluid motion,
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like rocking back and forth,
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the shadows and the lights on the inside of the car
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are doing this really eerily.
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You'd never seen anything like it.
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I'm like, my God, what is going on?
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And they're very scared and one kid who's the younger
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of the two is like, I'm getting out.
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I'm getting out of the car.
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It's over the top of us, stay in the fucking car.
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It goes, now I'm getting out and he gets out.
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And he videotapes a disc that was so low
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you could hit it with a rock.
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And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like,
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that's what all the witnesses have tried to describe.
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That's like if you could imagine the skin on the craft
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glowing like phosphorus on a beach,
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that's what it looked like, like the skin was alive.
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And it had like a yellowy orange color to it,
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but you could clearly see it was a disc.
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I mean, it was not an orb, it was a disc,
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but the metal lit up like it was alive.
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I'd never seen anything like it.
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And it just wobbled like it was unstable,
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And the camera guy goes, oh my God.
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And then something about the batteries and boom,
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I looked over at Chuck Clark, I said,
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this is the video everyone's been waiting for.
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How do you know this is real?
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Cause every, it's not real.
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My BS meters are going off right now.
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I get it, fair enough.
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I saw this video with my own eyes.
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Of course, it's a video though.
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It's a video for sure.
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No question about it.
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No, they make fake videos.
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Absolutely, it was 1995 and they could have,
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but why would 1995 it's harder?
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It's never been released to the public.
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Why would you create a fake video?
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What year did you see it?
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I saw it like 95 and so it's out there somewhere.
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Chuck Clark's got a copy of it.
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The story continues.
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No, but I mean, someone has it.
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Oh yeah, oh, absolutely.
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I mean, in fact, if those two boys that shot it
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are out there, please come forward.
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Like, please, how come no one's acquired this?
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So, so I said to Chuck, oh my God, this is great.
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I can use this in my, in my movie, right?
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He goes, oh no, no, no, they're terrified.
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I said, well, look, just put me in touch with the guys.
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You don't have to like give, but wait a minute.
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They're terrified, but they give it to a guy who lives in a trailer.
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Hey, I'm just telling you, do you know what I'm saying?
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I'm, hey, I'm really terrified.
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I don't want this getting now, but I'm gonna give it to you.
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Guy who lives in a trailer.
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What does this guy do for a living?
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He's a, he was a former military guy and he's, he's retired.
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But just a retired military guy.
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He's a real man here.
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So that, that doesn't even live there.
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But he probably put on some fucking overalls to hang out with you.
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The story gets named Ray Epps.
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I believe me I get it, but the story gets better.
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He goes, I went on a couple of podcasts and I said, the screw it.
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I don't care anymore.
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I'm gonna start talking about it.
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Chuck Clark said, if you asked me again, after like 10 years or 12 years,
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I'm never talking to you again.
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So I was like, I of course asked him again.
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I said, I'll give you 30 grand for the video and he's not talking to me.
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So I went on like concrete podcast and I went on this guy,
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Julian Dorian's podcast and I went on a bunch of other podcasts and I gave the whole story.
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Let's let somebody else pick up the ball and run with it.
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I'm just telling you what I saw.
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I get contacted a couple of years ago by a guy.
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He goes, I saw that video too.
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Then another guy contacts me and he goes, he goes, I got, I'm a private investigator.
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I said, well, the name is Chuck Clark.
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Right at that time, I'm going on the impulsive podcast with Logan Paul and I tell Logan Paul
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the story and he has exactly the same response you have and I don't blame you.
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I'm not here to convince anybody of anything.
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I'm just telling you what I saw.
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It was very impressive what I saw.
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If it was a fake, my God, that was well done.
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I mean, you should be making movies with Spielberg.
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So anyway, what is his challenge name?
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So what are you doing?
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Well, let me finish.
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So Logan Paul, he's like, I want to go to this guy's house.
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I said, I got the guy.
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He's got the information.
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Logan's like, this is all behind the scenes.
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So Logan Paul takes, I put him in touch with this guy and this guy lives in the middle of
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I mean, it was like, Logan Paul takes him or say these were the bunch of guys and $100,000
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and cash, a big brick.
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And he goes out to this guy's house in the middle of the desert and Logan calls me in the
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He's like, he sure your contacts legit, dude, my phone doesn't work out in the middle of
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I got 100K cash in my pocket.
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I can't find this guy.
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I said, no, I'm sure he's good, you know?
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And so Logan goes in there and meets Chuck Clark.
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And Chuck Clark's like, yeah, I got the tape right here.
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And so he says, I'll give him 100 grand for it.
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And the guy says, no way.
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And so Logan Paul, this is the, we're going to reveal this for the first time.
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Logan Paul has got a button camera on his dress, on his clothes.
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So Logan Paul's like, all right, well, this guy doesn't want to, you know, he's going
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So let's get, you know, let's get this thing on camera.
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So Logan's like, well, let me see it at least.
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So Logan like looks at it with this thing and, oh, could you show it to me again?
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He gets another angle, gets another angle and then he leaves.
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So Logan's like, I don't know if I want to go public.
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I mean, I don't really own the video.
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It seems like a bit of a graze on him.
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So I said, look, you know, this is a story that might be of interest to Bob Lazar.
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Because maybe Bob Lazar could should see this video and he could make a determination.
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I'm just saying, or maybe George Namp or Jeremy Corbell might be interested.
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This is not my domain.
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I'm not a Bob Lazar big guy.
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I don't know him enough about Bob, I met Bob Lazar in the early 90s and he told me I came
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up to him at a conference and I said, hey, thank you for coming forward.
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And he said, I didn't have a choice.
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That was my own, I don't know anything about the case.
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I know you know way more than I do about the case, but I'm just saying I'm just putting
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How do I know more about the case?
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You literally make documentaries on UFOs.
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I do, but I, I mean, you got one person.
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It's a count and it's fascinating.
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And I believe that Lazar believes what he's saying.
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But I've talked to George Namp about this and George said the same thing.
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I said, maybe, I mean, just maybe.
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And I'm not out here tacking Lazar or nobody else.
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I'm just saying, maybe he was used as a disinformation plant that seeds some real information and some
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bogus information just to kind of test the waters and the react of the public.
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Most certainly that's possible.
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I really certainly that's possible.
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It's also out of imagine if you're going to give people access to classified information
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like that, you'd be very careful.
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And you would probably add in some stuff that's not true.
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So it doesn't matter whether or not as long as like they have a bunch of stuff that's absolutely
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On top of the stuff that's probably real, then they get discredited.
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Which, you know, I mean, like there's a lot of weird stuff about the Bob Lazar story.
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A lot of weird stuff about it.
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And the one that sticks in my mind, and I know this probably shouldn't because it's possible
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to do, is that it's been consistent.
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His story's been absolutely consistent since the late 1980s.
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Now that's possible to develop a narrative.
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And if your discipline is obviously very intelligent, you could just like craft the longest
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con the world has ever known and make no money from it and turn your life upside down
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and have the feds search your property.
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Like a lot of things.
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It doesn't make a lot of sense.
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If they thought that he really was in possession of element 115 and that there really is a
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stable version of this element that we discovered in a particle collider, or we accurately, they
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predicted it and then proved it to be real in a particle collider.
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But that wasn't until like the 2000s.
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I want to say it was like 2011 when they officially discovered particle 115 or element 115.
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But this element, he said, was stable wherever these beings are from.
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And they use it to propel their craft through a means of bypassing normal propulsion systems
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with some insanely sophisticated method where they can pick points in space and they
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essentially just instantaneously traverse these points in space.
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I brought a photograph with me, of course I left it in the other room, but I'll bring
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it out at some point.
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And it was a guy named James Kibble.
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And it's about April 1966.
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And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I did a segment on a landing case
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that happened at Westall in 1966, which is a suburb, Westall Primary School, which is
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the suburb of Melbourne.
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Shane Ryan did a film on it.
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I just covered a section of it in the phenomenon.
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And during my time in Australia, I'd heard about this guy, James Kibble, that shot a
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Polaroid of a disc, a couple of kilometers away two days prior to the landing of the
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A lot of times when you have sightings, mass sightings like that, they're in and around
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the area for several days.
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So it's very likely that those two are connected.
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My point is this, according to James Kibble, when he's in the film, he said the disc was kind
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of coming down like this over his garden.
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And he had his Polaroid camera.
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He was going to take pictures of who you're doing the same wobbling.
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Yeah, I said this kind of hand.
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Just telling what he told me.
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He said it was kind of wobbling down like a leaf kind of.
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And then he was like holy shit.
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And he grabbed his Polaroid camera.
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And he said he did it so quickly.
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He smashed it in his face and his split his nose open.
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But he snapped one shot and he said what it did was, is it went like this, which on
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The photograph that I have shows it sideways.
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And I'll show it to you.
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I scanned it from the original Polaroid.
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And then it shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed, according to him.
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Exactly how those are describes how these things work.
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That's exactly my point.
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And when I interviewed all the children now adults that watched this thing land at this
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Westall Primary School in 1966, they said the same thing.
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It was sitting on the ground.
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They got up to, I think, about 10 feet away from it, which is pretty remarkable when
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you talk to witnesses, especially that many witnesses.
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I mean, they were roughly 300 kids.
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I didn't meet all 300 of them in the playground when this happened.
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And including the science teacher, this guy Greenwood, which I got him on camera for the
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first time in history and the phenomenon.
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And they said it got off the ground and then it went like this.
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It turned like this.
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Turn it sideways again.
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And then it shot off at a high risk.
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You can hear all the testimony.
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And I got a photograph of it like this.
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A slight humming or buzzing sound.
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So I'm going to get to this later when we can go back to moment of contact.
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But I'm going to make the argument that some, and I cannot emphasize how many times we
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need to underline the word some, UFOs, UAP, originate from the world.
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From a non-human intelligence.
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And I'll start off in 45 and I'll take us up to modern day.
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Just a handful of cases that I am, I have personally investigated.
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I have personally met the witnesses gone to their houses dating back to 45, 47, 52,
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57, 55, 60s, 64, like all these cases.
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So basically what I'm going to do is we all know.
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We know that the vast majority of these cases can be explained in conventional terms.
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All this noise about Chinese balloons and weather balloons and that's all noise.
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It's obfuscation and noise.
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Yeah we know that all of this stuff exists.
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But what about the core 5 or 10% of cases?
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And I'm going to give you some samples today that truly after extensive and exhaustive investigation,
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not because of a lack of data that defy a conventional explanation and those are the
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cases that I'll share with you today when we're ready.
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But we can go back to moment of contact.
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Let's go right into it.
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Are you going to go right into it?
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All right, let's do it.
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I got a much better copy outside.
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But see the way it turns sideways now.
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Let me tell you, if you ever see a photograph of a UFO and I've talked to NASA analysis about
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It has a clearly defined edge.
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It's probably a fake.
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They somehow they have something to do with a, it's blurred around the edges.
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They don't get, they can't get a crisp photograph of a photograph.
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They think it has something to do with the propulsion.
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But again, that's not me saying this.
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If there's some sort of a field around it.
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I have a much better copy outside.
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But yeah, this is gives you an example.
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You have a better copy than this.
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I scanned it from the original.
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Go get it right now.
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Oh, it's right there.
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Keep that up on the screen.
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Can I see the full, the full, how it's, so.
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It's oddly centered.
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This is sent to me by the guy who shot the Polaroid.
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There's this handwriting.
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This came from Australia.
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And see the way it sideways like that.
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I'm going to put them on my old man glass.
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And we can get into, we can get into my argument that I'm going to put forth as if I'm
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presenting a case to a jury.
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See my number one problem always with these things is that I want it to be true so bad
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that I worry that my rational, logical mind ignores all possibilities of it being bullshed.
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Don't look at anyone in particular case.
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You have to do, I mean, I'm looking at like this.
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But it's the same one.
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It's the same photo.
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So you got to look at it like that.
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I mean, it's a bell.
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That's what there's some.
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That's what it tells.
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Which you can't base this stuff on anyone.
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Jamie's on the case.
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What I could say is that you talk to the witnesses.
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I think you've picked it up as a hamburger underneath it.
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That's what I think.
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It's like a fancy restaurant hamburger.
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It's your real, sir.
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You know, the kind where they don't put the bun together.
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You got to do it together yourself.
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The burgers you're sitting there.
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But you can't, you look at the preponderance of eyewitness testimony from around the world,
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You don't look at any one particular case.
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You look at one particular case.
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You think, I see some cracks in that case.
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I get one of them lids, some of them food lids.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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We cracked the case.
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The burgers underneath it.
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You can see the top thing.
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Well, Jamie, that's the propulsion system you fool.
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Don't you understand UFO physics?
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I don't know which way it's going in the photo.
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That's the way it's going that way.
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I don't know which way it's going.
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It's going that way.
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I know Mike Minville, Oregon, 1950, Evelyn and Paul Trent, pretty good photographs of
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Yeah, they're pretty good.
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McMinville, Oregon, 1950, Evelyn and her husband, Paul Trent snapped, I think, two or three
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photographs of a disc in broad daylight.
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You know, I know Barney Hills granddaughter.
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Yeah, that's bad ass.
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She was on the podcast and she told me about that after we got off the air.
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I almost wanted, I should have brought her right back in.
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There's a better one.
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Nope, it's, uh, let's do it.
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It's definitely a hubcap.
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Yeah, that one there, that's good.
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That's, yeah, that's pretty good.
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I'm down over there.
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I've got that extremely high resolution, but you've got two eyewitnesses never made a
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dime out of the story.
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It's been analyzed to death.
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Show me that hubcap one.
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Oh, that one's, that's, that's 1966.
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No, look at, that's Rex Hefflin.
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Santa Ana, California.
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And there are several polaroids from Rex Hefflin.
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You can look up Rex Hefflin.
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It's a pretty damn big case.
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How many of these do you think are fake?
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Well, I'm showing you the ones that I that have been scrutinized to death and, uh, no
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one has made any serious claims of, of being a hoax on the cases that I'm giving you.
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So that image right there, could you bring me that again, Jamie?
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That image right there.
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It's like, I feel like someone could fake that.
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You gotta listen, you gotta listen to the testimony of Evelyn Trent and her husband Paul.
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And you gotta listen to the analysis that Conan committee did on this and blew on the
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What did they say about the photograph?
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Well, here's the thing.
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Everybody was like, okay, I witnessed testimony is not good enough.
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No, it's, I'm not saying that.
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I think, listen, if you had a unique experience, if you were out in the desert and you're driving
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Nevada and all of a sudden your engine lights went off, closing accounts of the third
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kind style and you got out and there was a fucking disc and it hovered over you for a
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second and they took off at an insane rate of speed and you're just left there alone with
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I sympathize with those people because in the vast universe that we exist in, it's entirely
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possible that something like that has the power to get here.
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It's entirely possible.
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Also people are full of shit.
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There's a lot of people that are full of shit.
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That's part of my problem.
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My problem is not that I don't believe.
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My problems I don't believe people that much and I do believe some people and there's
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some sincere people and that's one of my problems with Bob Lazar.
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I believe Bob Lazar.
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I like what you say.
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I believe he believes what he's saying and there's something to that.
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But I also think, God, if you wanted to get someone that you could easily discredit, if
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you had a propulsion system that was baffling you and you had some wizard who likes to make
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hydrogen powered Corvette and you put a rocket engine in the back of a Honda.
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Do you ever see that?
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So he's a guy who understands propulsion systems.
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He's clearly brilliant.
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He listened to the guy talk.
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He's off the charts in television.
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And he would say, let's bring that fucking psycho over here.
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Let's have that guy go down there.
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This guy's out there in the fucking desert shooting AK-47s and he's a wild man.
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So you bring that guy and you tell him, hey, tell us what this is.
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And he's walking around there and he's like, what the fuck is this?
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That's the kind of guy you, if you're at the end of your rope, especially if you're a brilliant
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person, if you're a brilliant person and you happen to be a general or happen to be someone
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who's in charge over there and you are thinking, like, we got to look outside the box.
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We got to do something.
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We got to bring in other perspectives and you got to bring in someone that's not going
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to be able to communicate with other scientists.
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This is part of the problem.
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You can't share data.
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They can't peer review with other scientists all over the world because it's top secret
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So everything has to stay within this small group, very small group of people and none of
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them are cracking it.
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All of them they bring in, they're fucking stunned and baffled.
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So you keep funneling new people in.
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They do experiments.
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They're like, okay, you know, let's try some more.
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I got this guy at Los Alamos lab.
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He puts fucking rocket engines in the back.
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He's got condos and he's a propulsion expert.
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He's kind of nuts, but maybe bring him in.
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So I'll get back to my domain because this is the stuff that I know and I know primarily
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because I went and interviewed the wait and see.
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I just went off of the tank.
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I'm going to bobbled our day.
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I just don't know the case well enough to comment on it.
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I mean, more than that, the reason why I shared that video stories, not because I'm sitting
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there telling you that's a definitive piece of evidence that the world's been waiting for,
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but it's very compelling.
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It's never been released and I'm giving you guys a lead on that.
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So Logan Paul, just put it out on your watch.
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I mean, if the guy suits you, the money that you'd make from having that release, you know,
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probably way worth it.
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You know, and I hope if the two guys that shot it, one was 19, the other guy was close to
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So those guys are still alive.
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They lived in Los Angeles and they're definitely still alive.
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They're still alive.
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Let's put together a dog.
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Well, I'd like to see the original tape because it's going to be a lot better condition than
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Tell these gentlemen, I'll get you on the podcast.
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Contact me at James C. Fox.
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Oh, don't put your email.
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No, it was a little bit.
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I was, that was my Twitter.
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Oh, yeah, just my Twitter.
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I said, you got to have your email.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, I made a mistake and doing that one time on Larry King live.
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How many dick pics did you get?
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I could not believe.
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I was like, what was I thinking?
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Yeah, this is probably like millions of people on my channel.
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Anyway, the people about when it comes to UFOs.
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Yes, very passionate.
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So let me get back to my argument because from 1945 forward, yeah, let's go.
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And this is one of the things that I've always heard
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is that after the bombs were dropped,
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that's when the UFO started showing up.
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Well, that's when the activity certainly heightened.
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And yeah, so is there any indication that they were
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directly connected other than the fact
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that they just show up?
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Was there ever any...
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So, I'll tell you a testimony.
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I'll tell you, I'll tell you how it organically came upon
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I was working with this guy, Lance Mungi,
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one of the editors that was working on the phenomenon with me.
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And we were doing this archive from a guy,
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this guy named David Marlors got this incredible archive
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of UFO material dating right back to the 40s,
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all the way to modern day.
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Newspaper headlines, audio recordings, statements,
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broadcast, unbelievable, the biggest archive
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you could spend the rest of your life in there.
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So he gave me a bunch of stuff that was archive interviews
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of primarily people at White Sands,
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Hall of an Air Force Base, different areas in Texas.
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And I was just putting in, it's kind of like a little montage
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in the piece of just giving the illustration
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that these things are going on all over.
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And my buddy goes, hey man, let's put a map on the wall
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and put pins in the map for all these different locations.
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So I was like, oh, okay, sure, let's do that.
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So we put a map on the wall in the edit room
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when we were doing the phenomenon.
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And we were putting pins in and we looked at each other
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after like a day or two.
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And we were like, look at proximity to Trinity site.
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Wow, even Sakura, White Sands, this place in Texas.
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Like, that's kind of unusual.
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What kind of scratching her heads?
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Do you think there's a correlation?
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So anyway, we didn't really take it much further than that,
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but we definitely took notice.
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And then I met with Senator Harry Reid.
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Thank you, George and I for helping make that happen.
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Former Senator of the leader, Harry Reid,
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he started the A-TIT program.
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And during the interview, I didn't think about asking them this,
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but at the end, and he had like, I'll have 47 minutes with you.
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And then I got to go and he's got all the security guards
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and big guys with earpieces looking at me.
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I said, well, sir, would you mind if we could do a quick walk
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He goes, yeah, I'll give you 45 seconds.
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So I figured, well, while I'm walking with Senator Reid,
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I'm going to ask him what was one of the more astonishing aspects
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of the phenomenon that they encountered
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during this panic on UFO program.
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And right away, without hesitation,
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he goes, the fact that there are incursions
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over our nuclear missile facilities,
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nuclear armed facilities, that is of grave concern.
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Not just that was a shocking aspect of the phenomenon.
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And I thought back to that map that we'd done in the Edirome.
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So I was like, I got to go back to the drawing board.
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I contacted this guy named Robert Hastings,
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who's the guy who wrote the book on the connection
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between UFOs and nukes.
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His name is Robert Hastings, UFOs and nukes, I think.
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But in any case, I contacted him and he's like,
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oh, I'm not doing too well.
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I got this heart condition.
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I tell you what, you can have all my archives,
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all the videos that I shot.
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So I went through all of it and I put together
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just like a five or 10 minute segment in the phenomenon,
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And you got all these like missile control launch officers
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and people at Malstrom Air Force Base,
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might not Air Force Base, talking about these incredible
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And keep in mind, you're talking about people
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that we entrusted with the secure, like,
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securement and deployment of nuclear weapons, OK?
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So if these guys are lying, that's a problem.
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And if these guys are hallucinating,
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when they've got nuclear weapons at their disposal,
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And it's happening all over.
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I mean, there is, I don't, I've got at least 15 or 20
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of these guys testifying.
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And Robert Hastings got a bunch more.
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My point is, there does seem to be a connection.
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I interviewed this guy, Robert Salis.
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Robert Salis was a Lieutenant Robert Salis,
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launch control officer of the United States Air Force.
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Has this incredible encounter in Malstrom, his people
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And UFO's cited a disc and then his nuke
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started shutting down.
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He said to me, I'll never forget this.
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And this is like 2002.
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This is part of out of the blue.
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He goes, well, James, very calm.
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You could see why he was a launch control officer, very
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Everything that came out of his mouth
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was calm and measured.
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He goes, well, James, the way I see it,
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it's kind of like taking matches out
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of the hands of a baby.
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Well, that makes sense.
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So there's a ponderance of testimony from these guys.
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And they're testifying right now to Arrow, Sean Cropatric.
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But we can get back to Zero Stanford.
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It's the new UAP task force.
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There was a there was a sap.
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Then it went to A tip.
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Then it went to UAP task force.
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Then it went to I know they keep changing the name.
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Maybe like a rebranding or something.
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Do you know what it's all domain anomaly resolution
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Did you see the photo that I posted on Instagram of the story
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of the guy from Space Force?
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It says we may be facing threats outside this world.
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I don't fuck this up.
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I just don't even want to spend any time.
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Space Force boss acknowledges the US will begin facing threats
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What the hell are you saying?
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What are you saying, man?
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What does that mean?
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Can I read a statement that can I ask you one question?
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Because we're on the subject of the nuclear base.
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This is exactly this is relevant to this.
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How many of them were there?
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How many different sightings were at these missile bases?
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And in areas where they're testing new things.
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There are a lot of cases.
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I think cases and just about all the installations
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in the United States.
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I mean Robert Hastings can I mean every installation
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of the United States has cases.
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I can't say that definitively.
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Let me give you another example.
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Rendlesham Forest, December 1980.
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It's a joint British US base.
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It's called the Rendlesham Forest Incident.
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There was a landing December 1980.
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You've got Jim Peniston, John Burrows, and this guy Ed
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Kabanzaig thinking that like something crashed
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in the forest or something.
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They went out to investigate.
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And there's an object sitting on the forest floor.
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It's a kind of like a triangular shaped object.
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And it's warm to the touch.
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And they sat with it on the ground.
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Kabanzaig acted like as a relay between the base
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and where this object is sitting on the ground.
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Jim Peniston took photographs of it.
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He had his log book.
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He wrote down the symbols that were on the craft, which
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And then the deputy-based commander, Colonel Charles Halt,
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Because sightings can happen over a period of a week
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or more a lot of times when you get these mass sightings.
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And even the deputy-based commander, Colonel Charles Halt,
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He was skeptical, and then he too became a witness.
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And he said that these objects, it was a recording of him,
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while it's happening, out there in the ether.
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There were shooting beams of light down
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in the weapon storage area.
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That was December 1980, phenomenal case,
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the Reynolds-Rumphorist incident.
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These are like the cases.
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What did this object look like?
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It was a triangular shaped object, not that big.
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I don't know, maybe six feet high, and it was black.
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And he said it was warm to the touch.
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And it didn't make any sound, very little sound.
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And then it lifted off the forest floor,
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maneuvered up through the trees, and shot off
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at a high-rated speed.
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Now, these are people that are responsible
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for the security of our nuclear weapons, saying this.
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The deputy-based commander, Colonel Charles Halt,
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saying this, Gordon Williams, the general of the entire base
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I interviewed him as well.
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He talks about how the fact that this got out,
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it was a memo that was written by a deputy-based commander,
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Colonel Charles Halt, that leaked, and the whole story
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But those are the cases that I'm talking about
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that represent that five or 10% core,
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that cannot be explained away in conventional terms.
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Defy after exhausted research.
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I mean, Nick Pope talks about it at the MOD,
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he investigated it, because it took place in England.
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He said there were radiation readings at the landing site.
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Do these, the crafts that happened at the base,
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do they have photograph of these things?
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Well, Jim Penison says that he took photographs,
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and then they said the photographs didn't come out.
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That's what they told him.
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So he took photographs to get developed,
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and then when they developed them, they said the photographs.
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That's what they said to him, yes.
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Yeah, so most likely they just said.
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So then, and then one of the things that Colonel Charles Halt
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said, the deputy-based commander is that a plane came in,
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and there was someone known government, USA,
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didn't say, I know you guys probably think I'm crazy now.
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But don't take it from me.
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I'm just telling you what they told me.
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That they came in and kind of sanitized the whole case.
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But that's a very good case, and it's one of the top cases
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that is extremely, it's been investigated in England,
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it's been investigated in the United States,
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and a lot of the witnesses have come forward on the record.
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So it's quite possible that somewhere
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and some archive this photo exists, or some photos exist.
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So here's the question.
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If the government keeps coming out and telling us
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that we may begin to face threats from outside of this world,
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if they're telling us that when they're discussing these things,
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they behave in a way that we can't describe
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in no propulsion systems that we know of.
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If they're telling us all this, why wouldn't they release all that other stuff, too?
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Why wouldn't they release those photographs?
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What's in it for them?
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Well, what's in it for them to tell us about it in the first place?
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But what's in it for them to even...
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I mean, just the way they're addressing it now...
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People think that there was a sudden epiphany with the US government
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that they wanted to be more transparent,
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and they wanted the general public to know more about this phenomenon.
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That is not what happened.
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What happened is a couple of insiders in December of 2017
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walked some evidence out of A-Tip, found a loophole,
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and put it on the front page of the New York Times.
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Now they can't leakers and stuff.
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Hell yeah, I was leakers and did that.
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Yeah, it was Christopher Mellon.
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I actually got a phone call when the film was coming out,
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and I got a phone call from Leslie Cain,
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and she goes, Christopher Mellon told you that he was the one that walked
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the footage out of the Pentagon.
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I said, yeah, it's on camera.
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Well, Christopher Mellon...
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He goes, she goes, I can't believe that.
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He didn't even want that in the New York Times.
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Like, you know, I said, I don't know, he just said it.
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And that's what happened.
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It wasn't like suddenly the government had this epiphany.
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So now they can't put the genie back in the bottle.
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Now you got the David Fravers, right?
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David Fravers encounters phenomenal.
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I mean, it's got photographic evidence.
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That tick-tack, I was investigating a landing case.
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It's a core in New Mexico.
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It was April 24, 1964.
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So I spent five years on this case.
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It was the case that turned around Dr. Jalen Heineck.
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Dr. Jalen Heineck investigated UFO reports
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for the United States Air Force as a scientific advisor
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He's the one that coined all the term close encounter
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of the first kind, close encounter of the second time,
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the second kind, the close encounter of the third kind.
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Close encounter of the first kind,
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when you see a UFO at close range, close encounter of the second time,
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you see a UFO and somehow it interacts with the environment.
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Whether like Richard Drifers face got burnt
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or it leaves marks on the ground or it burns trees, whatever.
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The propulsion affects something close encounter
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Now this is coming out of Air Force project Blue Books own files.
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This is not me saying this.
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Close encounter of the third kind
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is when beans are reported by the witnesses.
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So beans are associated with the craft or reported.
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One of the best most well documented cases in US history
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took place at the core New Mexico, April 24th, 1964,
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at five o'clock with a police officer that was on duty
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by the name of Lonnie Zamora, the best case in US history,
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the best documented case.
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The first military officer to arrive on the scene got there,
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the bushes were still smoking.
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I mean the imprints in the ground of the craft,
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the footprints, they got diagrams of this stuff.
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And I spent five years going back and forth
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to the SCORDIU Mexico.
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I got to know the wife, Mary.
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I got to know the daughter Diane, the son Michael,
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I went to the National Archives with Ray Stanford.
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He wrote the book on it,
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SCORO SOSTER and a Pentagon Pantry, phenomenal case.
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And what I learned was that the Air Force, according
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to his own family, Lonnie Zamora's family,
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told us daughter of this, I have this on camera.
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The Air Force wanted him desperately not to talk
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That they discouraged him to talk about the beans.
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And I tell you why, it's one thing when you see an object,
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unknown object like David Fraver saw up in the sky,
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exhibiting a technology that seems to defy
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conventional propulsion.
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And it's another thing altogether
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when you've got beans on the ground.
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The Air Force didn't want him talking about that.
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And that was one thing that his daughter and his wife
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And his wife said, Lonnie was never the same after that case.
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But so what did Lonnie see?
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Lonnie saw two beans, the base of an egg-shaped craft
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that was landed in the Royal and SCORDIU Mexico
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Lonnie looked out the window of his patrol car.
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He saw something that caught his eye.
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And then this object landed.
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He drove, he was actually in a hot pursuit at the time.
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He gave up pursuit to go investigate what was going on.
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And he sees this object on the Royal and the desert
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It's such a well-documented case.
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And he rolls down his car window.
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And he's looking out and he's going,
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am I looking at an overturned car?
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What the hell am I looking at?
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And then he sees two little figures.
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He said they were childlike at the base of the craft.
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And one of them locked eyes with him.
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And his wife said he was never the same after that.
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But how did he describe them?
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What they were like?
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He said they were small childlike.
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It's small and had white coveralls, tight coveralls.
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This is a close encounter of the third kind.
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What do they say their faces look like?
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He didn't give a lot of detail.
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I've got the only, so I went to Lonnie's house.
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I got to know his wife quite well.
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Lonnie had passed a couple years prior to that.
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And I don't know how far down in the rabbit hole
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you want to go in this case, because we could talk on this case
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for three hours, but whatever.
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I could tell you that I got access to,
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he had this black duffle bag.
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And it was with his wife's permission.
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He had kept all the original news prints from the articles
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And that's where I got the details.
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And he also talked about it in some recordings
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that I got from his family and other researchers.
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It's in the movie, The Phenomenon.
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And that's where I got the primary description,
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because it was Richard T. Holder
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was the first military officer on the scene.
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The FBI got involved later.
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And how long was that thing sitting out there for?
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The object was sitting on the ground,
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not for very long, just a few minutes.
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Lonnie saw the beans, and he went like a round
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to get a closer look.
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I mean, he was like, what the hell am I looking at?
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And he drove his car around to get a closer look
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and he lost contact for a second while he drove around
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to get a closer look.
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Now he's within 50 feet of this thing sitting on the ground.
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And he gets out of the patrol car.
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It starts making some weird noise
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and it has a blue flame that comes out.
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And he said it was not like a rocket flame
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where it would hit the ground and dust everything up.
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But it pierced the ground like a knife through warm butter.
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And then when it got about 20 feet off the ground,
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it went completely silent with no flame,
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no nothing, you can hear a pin drop.
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There was a symbol on the side of the craft.
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It was in yellow and it was about three feet tall.
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And it was like a V like this, two lines had a line on top.
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And let's get a photo of that symbol
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Yeah, you'll see fake symbols
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because Richard T Holder asked him to draw a different symbol.
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I actually have the original symbol
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on a document from Dr. Huy.
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Why did someone ask him to draw a fake symbol?
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Because he said that if anybody else claimed
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to see the same craft with that symbol,
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they would immediately be able to identify a Hoaster.
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Oh, so which was the real one?
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The real one is that one right there
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with the two lines in that upside down feet right there.
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That's the real one.
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That's the real one.
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I got the document in Dr. Jalen Heinrich's own handwriting.
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Ray Stanford and I went to the National Archives
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So they did that on purpose,
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just in case some copycat people started coming up.
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He did Richard T Holder.
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And I met Richard T Holders two kids
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and talked to them about it.
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I talked to his wife about it and they said,
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yeah, he was told that's not the genuine.
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That's the one right there, right there,
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that you're looking at.
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That's the real one.
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So anyway, my point is,
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is that his handwritten note over there that shows it?
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Yeah, that's definitely,
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I've actually found the original one of the,
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That's the document that I found with Ray Stanford
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at the National Archives in 2013.
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This is in Dr. Heinrich's own handwriting
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in close to just any resemblance to the,
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any draws the symbol of secoro.
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I mean, it was so genius move, quite honestly.
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So this was the case that turned Jalen Heinrich?
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So yeah, so what happened was,
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Jacques Follet, was it right there?
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That's what it looked like.
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Similar, so similar to a tick-tack.
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Yeah, that's what it looked like.
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But when it got, when it got to about 20 feet off the ground
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and went completely silent, no blue flame, nothing.
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The landing gear was retracted.
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And it floated off in the distance.
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And actually, Lonnie, I've got an interview with Lonnie
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where he says that one of the officers who arrived on the scene
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actually saw it fly off in the distance
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and it was witnessed by other people in the town
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that saw the same flying.
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Didn't the tick-tack, the people who saw the tick-tack
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and clueing Commander Favour,
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didn't he say that they were some sort of thing
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that almost looked like landing gear?
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No, there was something that protruded out
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in the front of it or something.
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But apparently the video, I think it was according to Favour,
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the video is, the one that's been out
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is a lot, the resolution is a lot worse
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than what other people had seen at the time.
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I remember I've been featured in David Favour
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and said that to me.
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But, yeah, so I just, so I just recently went,
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filming a new doc and I went to Washington DC
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for a month to get kind of caught up on what's been happening
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because a lot's been happening.
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While I'm doing moment of contact,
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there's an unprecedented effort in Washington DC
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to push for further government transparency.
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Marco Rubio, Senator Gillibrand,
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Andre Carson, representative Andre Carson
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who got the congressional hearings that happened last year.
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Gallego, representative Gallego and Gallagher
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all been involved in others.
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And so I got introduced some intelligence folks
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on the inside and they wanted me to read this
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to your audience, okay?
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And this is about evidence, okay?
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So, and this was in pretty much a reaction
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to the latest hearing that happened with Gillibrand
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just a couple of days ago or last week.
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I will remain anonymous, but I've been monitoring the UFO
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and I met this guy, I know this guy, this guy's legit.
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The UFO, UAP activity and the authorities response to them.
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I can assure you there's a lot more evidence
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behind the curtain that hasn't been released.
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First, our military are and have been seen remarkable things
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in the sky in the oceans and on the land for years.
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Of those reported, where does all this information get stored?
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Authorities would have you believe that this data is destroyed
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but unique data is stored somewhere to be reviewed later.
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And as someone that is seeing the classified holdings,
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I am very disappointed in the fact that Dr. Kirkpatrick
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showed some of the most mundane videos to the public.
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I do understand that there are security factors
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to be considered, so I'm hoping that Senator Gillibrand
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saw something much more interesting
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in her closed door hearing with Kirkpatrick.
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And why did only two senators show up for the hearing?
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Have they lost faith in Kirkpatrick already?
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I applaud Senator Gillibrand's efforts to find the truth
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but I am more sure than ever that Kirkpatrick is not the one.
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So he's withholding some information.
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These people went on camera for me.
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It's going to be released when the time is right.
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Again, it's one of those things conveniently,
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like Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown.
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It's so frustrating.
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Christopher Mellon said that there's very high resolution
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So he now has a, he just met with me in DC
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and he's now told me that there is satellite data.
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And the only reason why he talked about it
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is because Ratcliffe mentioned it.
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So he's like, well, Ratcliffe mentioned it.
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So I'll mention the fact that Ratcliffe mentioned it.
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It's satellite data.
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And I was like, how good are the photographs?
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I want to know so bad.
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You know me, like, come on.
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I've been looking at this for 30 years.
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How good are the photographs?
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4K, just think about as good as you can imagine of craft.
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And to know that, and I spoke to five other people
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that are part of the program or had the top secret,
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the clearances to access this, and they all confirmed.
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And it's like they're just on the other side of that curtain.
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Could like, could somebody just get those out here, please?
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Do you think we're closer than ever to those things being leaked?
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I think that if we keep the pressure on,
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I think it's very important.
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One of the things that concerns me a little bit
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is that sometimes they could leak something
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that looks amazing, right?
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And then you put your fingerprints all over it,
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and you send it out to the ether,
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and then it's approving, gets the bunk.
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So you got to be kind of careful if you don't know provenance.
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I would imagine they would do stuff like that on purpose.
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Oh, these guys are so smart.
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They're like five steps ahead of us.
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So, but, you know, I know what I know,
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not because I read it out of a book,
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but I actually went into the field.
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I mean, I tried, I'm not trying to tut my own horn,
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but I was interviewing generals and cosmonauts in Russia
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back in the late 90s.
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I went to China, I went to Australia,
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I went to Africa, I went to Russia, as I was just saying,
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I really want to know, like I'm so curious,
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I don't like to go to location,
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I like to give an example.
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I found out in China just a couple of years ago,
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there's a case that happened in 1994,
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the same time as Rua, called Mungjiao Gua
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and the Black Forest of China.
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And these guys, in the middle of nowhere,
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relayed the same telepathic message
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that the children received in Rua Zimbabwe
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in 1994 at Ariel School.
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And by the way, I did include a piece of that
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in the film that I did with the girls,
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I don't know, it's only like 10 minutes long,
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quite fascinating, that's a damn good case.
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That's one of the 10% cases that I talk about.
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But there's a film out now,
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I think it's called Ariel Phenomenon.
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And it's all just about that case.
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But those are the, should we get back to like,
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to 45 and work my way up,
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or should you wanna talk a little bit about
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We can, is the case that could settle this debate
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once and for all, or,
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let's tease people for a bit with moment of contact,
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because it is an amazing documentary.
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I won't go into details, I'll just say this.
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I will, I put my reputation on the line for this,
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It sounds so spectacular, it sounds so unbelievable.
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But when you watch the documentary,
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it sounds less spectacular, well,
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similarly, spectacular, but more believable.
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So here's the point, okay.
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It's either the most elaborate, complex hoax
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that involves half the town of Virginia,
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I think there's like 130,000 people living there.
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I mean, I go down to the town square
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and just start talking to people.
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And everybody's got a little piece of the puzzle.
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Most people have a piece of the puzzle.
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Live aliens were recovered.
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And the Americans, I was cashier by the,
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the Brazilian authorities, the American stepped in
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and flew some of that back to the United States.
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And that's when the case goes cold.
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There's no, definitely the sexiest version.
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Well, yeah, there's no, right?
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There's no in between.
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But you speak of a sexiest version.
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So this is a, I was looking up the thing in 94 in China
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and it's still hold across this.
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Oh good, yeah, that's what I was saying.
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The most bizarre contact in China occurred in June 7, 1994
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when, how do you say his name?
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Meng Zhao Gua of Phoenix Mountain food.
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How do you say that?
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Province met a female alien.
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First there was electricity between them.
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Then things got amorous.
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According to Meng, the female alien looked like a white monster.
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She was very tall, about 2.5 meters in war,
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tight clothes with only her big eyes
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and private parts exposed.
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She did something to him that felt like an electric shock
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When he came around, he found several scars in his body.
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According to Wu, she planted something
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mung bean sized in his body, into his body.
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Things were about to get even stranger.
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Meng had sexual intercourse with the female alien.
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She suddenly fell down on him.
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He could hardly move.
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His penis felt hot than ached.
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The experience was more pleasurable than anything
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Yeah, then they gave him a light detector test.
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I didn't, it doesn't.
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I didn't hear about that.
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I didn't hear about that.
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I heard about those.
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Especially crazy people.
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I did not hear about that aspect of it.
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But any, I didn't go, but my point is,
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that too is banging aliens.
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That's, it takes a lot of courage.
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But I was very attracted to the avatar lady,
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the big blue one that saves him.
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Let's go back because.
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I fucking switch right over to that.
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Here, so we'll get back to a moment of contact.
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I just want to say the last thing with moment of contact,
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then we'll get back to the other cases.
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It's either the case who've all been waiting for,
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the case that could settle the debate once and for all, right?
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Could you think of a more extraordinary,
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let's just say hypothetically for a moment, it happened.
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Has all the witnesses stated it happened?
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How big of a story do you think that?
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It's an immense story because it means that they're real.
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If it's true, that it means they're real.
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It means something that we don't understand
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was in the sky, got hit by lightning,
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got caught up in a furious lightning storm,
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and wound up crashing,
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and that these things survived and they got out,
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and the fact that one guy handled one of them
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and got this insane infection
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and died very quickly afterwards,
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and he was very young and healthy, military man,
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and the fact that all these people have the same story.
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They all have the same depiction of the disc, the craft.
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They have the same depictions of seeing these beings,
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not one witness came to us.
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We had to track down every one of those witnesses,
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and there's a story behind each and every one of them
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that I could go on for an hour or four.
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I won't bore you with the details,
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but it's the first to say.
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Wouldn't be a bore me?
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Bro, we got a gravity bomb over there.
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We could be here for days.
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I'll be like, I know.
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But there's nothing that goes better.
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There's no way we could be marijuana and aliens.
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When I went, every time I'd get back from Brazil,
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I'd get home and people,
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and I'm out there for a month,
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knocking on doors, talking to witnesses,
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chasing people down, trying to convince them
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to come forward like crazy.
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Yeah, this is not like a quick venture
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to make this documentary.
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One of those 12 years.
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And so I'd come home from a trip in Brazil,
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and I'm telling you, man, it was like my mind was just torched.
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I was so, I mean, another alternate reality,
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I'm thinking, oh my God, I'm coming to the realization.
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When that man takes you to the spot
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and gets overwhelmed with the motion,
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he was gone for 25 years.
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Marco Leal, thank you, Marco and, and co.
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I said, Marco, we don't have a story.
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We got to find, we got to find Carlos to salsa.
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Unless that guy is a Daniel De Lewis quality actor,
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we don't need Brad Pitt anymore,
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nor Leonardo DiCaprio, this guy.
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That guy, if he's full of shit, best actor.
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He's one of the best actors ever,
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because that moment when he gets to that spot
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and he's overwhelmed with emotion,
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he starts tearing up, and he's freaking out.
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Like, just imagine if 25 years ago,
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you experienced something that literally destroyed
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your understanding of life itself in the universe,
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that there's a thing out there that can visit us
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that's different than us,
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and it's probably been here forever.
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My DP David West been shooting for over 40 years,
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and he's like, I've never seen anything like that.
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That guy was, that's about as legit as I've ever seen.
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He was so believable.
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Crying, and, I mean, not only that,
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but it's like the guy disappeared.
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He's never made a dime off this.
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He gave one statement 26 years ago to a guy named Clodio Covo.
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Clodio Covo was an engineer, and he was a researcher,
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UFO researcher in Brazil.
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Thank you, mate, Ureston Peace, Clodio Covo.
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And there was a guy named Luba de Jada Rodriguez.
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He was a prominent lawyer.
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He's also investigated the case.
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We wouldn't know about this case
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if it hadn't been for a handful of dog and Brazilian UFO researchers.
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Peca Chini deserves credit.
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This guy named Marco Petit,
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AJ Javard, how these guys?
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The whole thing is Virginia is 150,000.
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Think it's about 130,000 that they think.
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So it's like Boulder, Colorado sized.
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And the surrounding areas.
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But, you know, I, I, I was going to include like,
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maybe like a, like I did with Rua in the phenomenon.
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I was going to include like five or 10 minutes of that case.
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And I just, I worked so hard for so long with so many people.
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And then I just deleted the whole thing out of the film.
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And I was like, oh, God, Marco's going to kill me when he sees this.
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That I just didn't include any of it
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because I just couldn't squeeze it in.
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And there was too much.
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It was just too much.
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Well, I'm glad you did it that way, honestly,
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because moment of contact is, it's, it's really good.
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There's a few of these documentaries that I go,
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I shut them off and I go, if that's real, holy shit,
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imagine being those people.
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Imagine being these people in this small city of 150,000 people.
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And then something happens and a fucking UFO crashes in a field
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and people witness it.
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And everyone is just stuck there.
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Then the military shuts the town down.
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This is Brigadier José Carlos Pereira of the Brazilian Air Force.
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I met with him with Marco on two occasions.
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The second occasion was 2000.
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I found that camera on my beautiful bed.
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You can look him up.
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José Carlos Pereira, Brigadier Brazilian Air Force.
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So Marco and I met with him twice.
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The second time was 2013.
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He gave us an interview.
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Some of it's in the film.
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And he's just like, I'll talk about the 1986 UFOs
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I'll talk about the colot-erous case that
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happened in the 70s, phenomenal photographic evidence
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You asked me about Virginia and this interview is terminated.
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Well, it's like, what?
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What do you mean terminated?
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So anyway, we do the interview.
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And I was like, well, I'm not going to ask him, I guess.
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But when the camera stopped rolling, I was like, please.
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I mean, Marco and I were begging and pleading with this guy.
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And I remember looked him dead square in the eyes.
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I said, I swear on my life.
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There are no recording devices.
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There are no cameras rolling.
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Please tell us about Virginia.
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Why did you have that reaction to Virginia?
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I'm not as practically licking this guy's boots.
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And he's getting prepared to leave.
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And he's got a driver waiting for him outside.
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So we were following and pleading with him
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all the way out there.
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Please just tell us, please, I swear on my life.
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He gets in the car, doors open.
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I'm only reason why I'm telling you this, because he died.
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He looks up at Marco and I.
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And he goes, it happened.
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Close the door and off he went.
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Now, the reason why I share that is because that's something
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that I can put any weight on for the documentary
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for people like you, right?
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But as a personal message for me, knowing that level of validation
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on the inside, it kept us going.
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It was like, OK, why on earth would he have done that?
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Why on earth would he say?
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And that kept Marco and I going.
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And that was a personal level of validation that.
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Is there any conventional explanation
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why the military shut everything down,
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why they had military barricades set up around that area?
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No, they did try to say that the creature was this guy
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who got like some deformities.
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But I've seen the guy Modine or something like that.
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But you talked to the witness.
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But why would the military shut the town down?
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Because the guy went to deformities.
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And then for the doctors in the hospital,
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they said though there was a like a midget having a baby
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or something weird, just something that was just so ridiculous.
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It was like, and you talked to the witnesses
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and they're just like, oh, come on.
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That's laughable the best.
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I mean, these girls came within eight to 10 feet, three,
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three women, Katya, two sisters, Lilliani, and Volkheria,
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They got within eight to 10 feet in broad daylight
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And one of the things that doesn't come across in the film,
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when they saw this thing, they're looking like,
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what are we looking at here?
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They're walking through this field and it's up against
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a center block wall.
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And one of them was looking at, is that what is that?
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And it was crouched by the wall.
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It was weak and feeble.
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And one of them kind of like screeched.
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And it turned and it looked right at the girls,
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locked eyes on them.
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Lilliani grabs her younger daughter,
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her younger sister, who's 14, Volkheria,
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and makes a high-tells that out of there.
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She's frozen in her tracks, locked eyes with this creature
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and it's communicating with her.
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It's weak and it's feeble and it's scared.
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And it's crouched down.
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Lilliani realizes that Katya is back there.
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She gets, I don't know, 100 feet down the path.
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She leaves her sister, stay here.
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I'm going back to get Katya.
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And I asked Katya and I asked all the girls,
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during that moment of contact, when you lock eyes,
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I know it's only a brief second,
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but during that moment of contact,
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what did you feel like put me there?
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That's where the title comes from, moment of contact
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because that was when they locked eyes on this creature.
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And that's when Katya said, help me, I'm scared.
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And it was feeble and suffering.
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And it's a very powerful moment.
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And these girls have been saying the same thing,
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It's the first time I'd ever reported on these so called,
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like men in dark suits show up and intimidate witnesses.
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To honestly, I've been hearing about those cases
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for so many times, but I've avoided them
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because it's got so much baggage from men in black.
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It's just ridiculous.
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I just didn't even want to be associated with it.
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I can go on until I'm blue in the face.
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I go to the tomorrow morning with the amount of cases
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But this time when the mother said that these men showed up
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and tried to get the daughters to say they were lying
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and offered her a briefcase full of $100 bills.
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And they could relocate.
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I don't know, for some reason I said, okay,
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for the first time in 25 years,
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I'm going to report on these guys.
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And it's in the movie.
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You can hear the mother talking about it.
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And the mother came back to the location,
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right, her happened, the smell, that stench,
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and the foot pin on the ground.
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I mean, everybody talks about that stench.
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That was so, they said, if you take like a skunk,
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multiply that, put it like 100,000,
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that would give you some indication of the level of like
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how putrid and nasty it was paralyzing.
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And it stayed in, like it stayed in the areas,
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like at the hospitals when they did the X-rays.
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And everybody talks about it.
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That stench, it was unbelievable.
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Like it fills your naval cavities
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and doesn't leave for a week.
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And they all said the same thing.
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And they couldn't get it out.
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They couldn't get it out.
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Yeah, they sanitized the hospital.
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The guy said that he had to close off that wing
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in the hospital while they were sanitizing it
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because it was so intense.
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So I, how long did it last for?
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I heard days and weeks is what I heard from people.
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And even the mother said when she went to where the creature was,
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she said that the stench, even there,
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after the creature was gone,
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got in her nasal cavities
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and she tried to flush it out with water and saline
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or whatever and she couldn't get it out
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of her nasal cavities.
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I mean, everybody talked about that stench.
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You know, I mean, the military officer,
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the guy that drove the creature around,
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I was sitting across from him.
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You can't see his face, but I did.
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And I'm looking in this guy in the eyes.
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I'm thinking I could be looking at a guy
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that drove a fucking alien around.
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You have no idea, dude.
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How did he just run?
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When I came back from that trip,
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people were like, how was your trip to Brazil?
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What was it like, man?
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They got great, you know, smoothies and coffee and...
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I'm just like, you guys have no idea.
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I think, I think an alien's relationship crashed
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and they recover live aliens.
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And we made contact in the Americans.
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It came in, I don't know what I'm thinking about.
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So I told a couple people,
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on the last trip I came back,
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I was just like, I was so rocked, I couldn't re,
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I couldn't reintegrate back into culture.
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Joe, I was just like, fuck, I think this happened.
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It's the biggest story ever.
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So people were asking me, even my neighbor
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who runs like the, he runs that Make-A-Wish Foundation.
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He was like, James, he goes, bro, I like you a lot.
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I got a lot of respect for you.
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But you lost me on this one.
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And I was like, I don't blame you, bro.
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But listen to the witnesses.
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Just, that's all I say.
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And I would tell people, and I realize I can't talk about it.
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All I can say is, just listen to the witnesses.
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Don't take it from me.
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But I'm looking at that guy in the eyes, Joe.
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And I've been at this for 30 years.
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I've made almost, I'm working on my seventh film right now.
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I'm looking at this guy in the eyes,
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and I'm like, this guy probably drove an alien around.
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And it tripped me out so hard.
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And it ruined his life.
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He's to get this guy to go on camera just like a week earlier.
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He was like, I don't care all the money in the world.
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I'm never coming forward.
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The risks are too high.
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How did it ruin his life?
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Because you're harboring the secret.
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You're being watched.
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You're being told not to ever talk about this.
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And you're looking over your shoulder all the time.
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The military calls you periodically.
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They want to know where you are.
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And he's got this secret inside him
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that he can't tell the rest of the world.
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And he's thinking about all the different.
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And everyone's out there speculating
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is it real, is it fake, is it real, is it fake?
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And this guy drove a body around.
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Just think about that for a second.
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Think about the doctor who took the X-rays of this thing.
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Marco Leal, thank you, Marco.
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Marco Leal found him eight years ago.
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And he was like, he confirmed the story.
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He was still working at a regional hospital.
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He was on never come forward.
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Marco kept going every year back and forth.
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And he retired and four years after he retired.
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He agreed to meet with us.
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He wasn't even sure he was going to go on.
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And I said, look, man, we'll put you.
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We'll film you from the back.
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We'll disguise your voice.
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Showed his photographs to him at the hospital.
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We know he's been trying to get at him.
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At the end of the interview.
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I feel so much better.
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I've been soldiering that burden for 26 years.
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And I've told so desperately wanted to tell somebody
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to share that story with the rest of the world.
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And you meet these people.
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And you think, why on earth?
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They didn't come to us.
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They're not trying to sell their story.
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We tracked them down and begged and pleaded
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with them to come forward.
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When I found Martha, the sister of the deceased military officer,
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We were knocking on doors.
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I remember the sound guy from Rio de Janeiro.
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He was like, you're out of your mind.
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Can't just knock on random doors.
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I was like, man, if there's a will, there's a way.
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I'm going to find this lady.
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And it was like this kind of sketchy area.
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You know, it's like when you get out of your car
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and you could see people drawing the curtains back
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and looking at you and you're standing out.
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Dude, I stood out like a sore thumb, man.
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And then we walked up.
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I had Marco with me, thank God.
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And we had camera crews and stuff.
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It's kind of sketchy.
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And her husband appears in this big,
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who's a big guy and he's got like a white beater shirt on.
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And he looks like he wants to rip my head off.
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And I'm like, and she's looking at me.
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And he's just looking at her going,
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Martha's looking at her husband.
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And her husband's looking at Martha.
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Like, give me the signal, I'll kill this guy.
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That's the fucking, and I was looking at Marco
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and I was like, James, you need to think quick
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on your feet right now.
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And I said immediately, please translate this.
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I'm here to give your brother justice.
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I'm here to get the story out.
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And we developed a relationship with her slowly over that.
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And those are the first words that we exchanged.
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And we eventually got her to come forward and we talked.
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She'd gone forward in the past,
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but she doesn't know who the hell I am.
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I want to take you back to the doctor.
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When you talked to the doctor, what did you describe?
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And he said that it was a normal day, January 1996,
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it was a regional hospital.
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Every day and all of a sudden,
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all these military trucks and police cars showed up at the hospital.
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They come in, armed, and they got a bag.
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They got a thing in a black body bag.
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And he was like, what the hell's going on here?
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They're all, you're going to be taking some X-rays.
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And he's like, okay.
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And they had him inside and they had armed groups.
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And I was asking him, like, what was it like?
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Because when I interview witnesses,
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I always ask them to project.
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Like I sometimes I'll even close my eyes
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because I'll use their words to recreate.
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So I'm like living it through them.
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You know what I mean?
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So I'll close my eyes and I'll recreate the scenes in my head
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with their words, right?
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It's harder than a Portuguese
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because I'm having to get it translated.
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But I ask questions like, what was the atmosphere like?
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Do we, is there any talking?
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No talking, super tense atmosphere, very tense.
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Arm guards on the outside, arm guards on the inside,
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military truck's running, nobody comes, nobody goes.
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And he said, I first time in my history,
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in the history of my career,
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I took the X-rays and I couldn't even verify
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that they were good because they took them immediately.
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And then they said, this event never happened.
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He said the stench note in the hospital was overwhelming.
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And he goes through the different X-rays that he took,
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the abdomen, the head, the arms, the legs, the thorax.
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You know, and it was incredible.
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In fact, Ubud-Jada Rodriguez, if you're listening to this,
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he's one of the leading researchers who's gone quiet.
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Pecacini disappeared for 20 years.
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So did he get to see images himself?
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Did he get to see the body himself?
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Oh, he saw that he was right.
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Well, they didn't open the body bag,
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but he was, he said the stench was just overwhelming.
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So they x-rayed it through the body bag?
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They x-rayed it through the body bag.
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So he never got to see it.
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He did not see the alien.
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And he didn't get to see the x-ray images or anything.
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Nope, they wouldn't let him see a damn thing.
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Now there were two doctors.
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There was a guy named Roger Lear.
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Roger Lear found out, these are people that I really want to meet.
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I mean, people are coming forward and droves right now.
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We just got two forensic pathologists for the first time ever,
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working together to come forward to make statements.
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And they're providing documentation of the of the autopsy reports
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done on the deceased military officer.
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That's the first time ever these guys are coming forward.
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It's happening right now.
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I brought this explain what happened to people
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who haven't watched the documentary.
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Do you have deceased military officer?
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So right after the three girls came in,
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came within eight to 10 feet of this creature,
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or bean, or entity, or ET, whatever you want to call it,
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about an hour later, when I was about three o'clock in the afternoon,
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I would say probably maybe around five o'clock.
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There were two military guys on patrol on the lookout
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for something unusual, what they were told.
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They didn't take a UFO and crashed.
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They were on the lookout for something highly unusual.
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And it was Eric Loops at the wheel and Marco Shreese,
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a military police in the passenger seat.
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They were about a block and a half to two blocks away
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from where the girls had seen the creature a couple of hours earlier.
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And this thing runs across the car in front of them
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and he had slammed his brakes on.
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And without a moment's hesitation,
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Marco Shreese jumps out of the car
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and grabs the thing with his bare hands.
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Yeah, and he puts it in the back seat
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and they drive it to a clinic.
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And the doctor was like, what the hell is that?
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I don't know what we leave.
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So they went to regional hospital.
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And then ultimately, it went to Humanitas Hospital.
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And so we have testimony from military ex
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that when he drove it from Humanitas Hospital,
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it's in the movie, but he drove it from Humanitas Hospital
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to, as a military base, where it spent the night,
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the truck for one night.
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And then it went from there to espacex campiness.
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It's like a university.
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It's where all the intellectual scientific heavyweights reside.
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And then it was there, I think, under examination,
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according to the witnesses that we talked to for a day or two.
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And that's when the Americans flew in to campiness.
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And we have the radar military control officer
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who came forward last year, actually, two years ago.
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When we were there filming for the last time,
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his name is Marco Fedis, F-E-R-E-S.
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And he came forward for the first time and said, yeah.
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In January of 1996, this plane came in.
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Usaf, he kept calling it.
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United States Air Force came in.
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It didn't have the authorization of the Brazilian government.
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He was like, this thing can't land.
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And some higher-up steps in other homes.
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This is his testimony.
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I'm just relying on what he said.
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He said some higher-up came in the room, said, let it land.
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And it came and it landed at campiness.
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And then from campiness, two helicopters
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according to him, flew to Virginia, Brazil,
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Virginia, back to campiness.
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Then they loaded something on the airplane
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and then off to the United States.
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And that's where the case goes cold.
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One of the most exciting aspects for me
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to get invited on your show is that you've got a huge platform
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of a lot of people listening.
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I want to know, we all want to know desperately
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what happened when the United States took over.
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Where did this stuff go?
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Who flew that airplane?
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The flight records, all of these things.
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And so I'm asking you, please, please,
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if you're listening to this, to come forward and talk to us.
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This is an ongoing investigation.
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If you're too afraid to talk to me,
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there's new whistleblower protection
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that Senator Gillibrand and Rubio and a handful
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of others just signed into law.
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You can go and contact someone like Andre,
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Representative Andre Carson.
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And there's a process you can go and testify
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until everything you know without fear of prosecution
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are violated in any NDAs.
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I beg and plead for you to do that.
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Now, excuse me, there are a handful of Congress people
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and senators that I believe are sincerely trying
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to get down to the bottom of this stuff.
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I've met with some of them, and I've continued to try
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to meet with someone else.
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I'm working with a guy named Brian Bender.
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He's kind of consulted on the project.
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He worked for Politico, and he's got great access as well.
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So the two of us are trying to address the evidence.
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The photographic evidence, the potential debris evidence,
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the potential body evidence.
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Where is it and who has the authority to release it?
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You know, I've never really covered it.
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I know that I put my reputation on the line, Joe,
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and I totally understand for your audience
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that are listening to this right now,
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I'm thinking that I've lost my marbles,
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and I completely respect that.
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I had the same reaction myself,
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and I'm not out here trying to sell crazy.
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I don't have a go fund me asking for money
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on evidence that I don't have.
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I don't not do any of that.
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All I'm saying is, this is potentially
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the biggest story that we've all been waiting for,
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the story that, in my opinion, could settle the debate
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This story happened in 1996,
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and the vast majority of the witnesses are still alive.
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People are coming forward and droves right now.
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Like I said earlier on the show,
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those two doctors coming forward, the forensic pathologist,
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you want science, they're given a science.
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They're given as the long form autopsy report.
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Leslie Cain is having it professionally
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and medically translated,
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and she'll have it looked at by medical people
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So that's an ongoing investigation.
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Just the fact that Marko Liao,
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and we got access to those people,
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I was doing Zoom calls all last week,
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leading up to coming here,
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begging them and pleading them to come forward.
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Do you, my God, just really,
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would you want this actual footage?
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Of course we want footage.
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You saw what I showed you earlier.
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Come on, man, you think I'm like, you know,
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you know I'm going after it.
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Oh no, I know you're going after it,
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I mean, that's really what we need.
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I know it's what we need.
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I mean, I'm telling you right now.
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It seems like you just barely touch it.
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It's like a movie when you reach it.
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I know you can't quite reach it.
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It's just like, now you see it dangling right there.
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You're like, come on.
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And I get criticized out there.
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People are like, ah, no photograph again.
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I don't believe it's all garbage.
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Look, you got to start somewhere.
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Okay, it starts with the story.
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How are you supposed to go look into something
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if you don't even know it exists, right?
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So now we know that it exists.
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We've talked to people that have seen it
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in fact, Michael Schellenberger called me up
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when the film first came out.
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And he goes, hey, this is Michael Schellenberger.
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I'm thinking about putting together an article
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with the New York Post.
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And I could tell he was kind of rocked by the story, right?
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He was like, man, this is pretty wild.
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I was like, yeah, I know.
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He goes, well, I'm thinking about putting together a rock.
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I said, well, if I can do anything to help out,
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He goes, well, I don't want to know
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about the photographic evidence.
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I was like, well, I could put you in touch
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with a couple of people that have seen it.
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And I was actually quite surprised
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that the New York Post wanted more than one source.
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They wanted two sources that could see it and describe it.
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And we made it happen.
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Pack of Cheney was shown video footage.
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He describes it in vivid detail.
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Go find the New York Post article by Michael Schellenberger
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and I suggest your audience, please.
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Are you dead, are you dead, are you dead, are you dead?
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And we know where it is and we know who has it.
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Do you have it, Jim?
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And it's like, the frustration is,
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I remember one of the people that we approached on,
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we offered $100,000 and it was nothing.
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Then we offered $200,000.
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People claim they saw aliens after UFO crash landed
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in Brazil in 1996, documented reveals.
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And that's a trailer from moment of contact.
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Yep, scroll on down.
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I think a little further, you'll get details of the description.
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That's the drawing that was done right after the incident
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actually held the original print in my hands
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from Clodio Covos' daughter.
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So was one of them dead and one of them was alive?
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And look, there were up to accounts of possibly five.
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And this is another thing that a lot of people don't even
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realize when they watched the movie
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and it was shocking to me was that we stayed at the,
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we rented this house in this kind of gated community
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and it was owned by a doctor and they had fellow doctor friends.
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And they're like, oh, what are you doing in Brazil?
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What are you doing in Virginia?
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A whole camera cruise and caravans of camera gear
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and tripods are like, what are you guys doing here?
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We're like, here we go.
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Well, we're here to cover the Virginia UFO incident
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and the doctor goes, you know, my friends saw something
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that you might want to talk to them about.
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And they kind of chuckle a little bit
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that all of this, these guys are serious.
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The whole family side.
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So we actually go to their house
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and they're like, whoa, no, no, no.
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We didn't say we're gonna go on camera.
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We just said we'd meet with you.
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We're not going on camera.
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I was like, well, what do you mean?
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You're not going on camera?
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Well, of course you know, I'm doing a documentary.
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We'll tell you what happened.
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I said, well, look, we can fill me from the back.
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We want, we disguise your voice.
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So anyway, so we do the interview.
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Reluctantly, these guys did not want to do it.
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But they described this craft that was looking
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for something that was laid into the night.
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Late, like probably 10 or 11 o'clock at night.
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They were ordering pizza.
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Any Brazilian will tell you
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they liked to order pizza late at night.
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And they said the whole family was watching this thing.
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And I kept saying to them, what do you mean?
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It was looking, how do you know it was looking for something?
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They said it was going like this.
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So I'd shot my drone over the whole area.
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I shot my drone over the, the point where the girls
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had the contact, the point where Mark O'Sreese
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and Eric Lopes captured the creature
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and the point where the military blockades were.
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And I realized I took my drone straight up
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and I filmed straight down.
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And I show it in the film.
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The proximity to all those events is within a few blocks.
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The house, that the entire family witnessed,
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very incredible people that didn't want to come forward.
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That was just a few blocks away from the incident.
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It looks to me like that was a recovery mission,
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a rescue mission that was going down.
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I know it sounds crazy.
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Believe me, I know that.
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And I'm reporting my 30 year reputation online.
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Do you know what, my reputation, when I finished the phenomenon,
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I had a level of government access
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that I never thought I could possibly have
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as a complete independent Joe public guy, me, right?
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I'm meeting with senators and just all kinds of intelligence folks.
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I mean, it's a dream.
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Like, how could this possibly be?
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How can I have access?
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Well, I was throwing that, flushing that down the toilet
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by reporting on this case potentially.
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But I did it anyway, because I was like, okay, I understand.
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That I'm sounding crazy and I understand.
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You keep saying that, but I don't think you are.
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Well, I don't think you're sounding crazy at all.
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No, no, because look, I've got the town.
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The town is obsessed with it.
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But I think people are very much married to their initial ideas.
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And when you have an initial idea that something like that is stupid
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and it's probably fake.
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I would have heard of it.
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And then you're confronted with what you've uncovered.
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And imagine if someone hadn't gone through the exhausting work
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that you've gone through going back and forth to Brazil
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over a period of 12 years to make this documentary.
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Imagine most people would think that sounds like nonsense.
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I would have already heard about this.
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This, you know, this big.
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But then when you go to Virginia
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and you see that enormous statue of a UFO that they're at.
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Like, who funded this?
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Why do they have this?
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Like, why is it a part of like...
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And the ET guy is all over the place.
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He's in the downtown Plaza.
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Thank you, by the way, for coming forward
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and sharing that information with us, mayor Vairs.
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It was really funny.
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We were interviewing with him.
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And I was like, this guy's going to say,
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well, what is he going to say?
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He's a sitting mayor.
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And he's like, you know, I got to tell you.
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And I know a lot of the witnesses.
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I got to say, I think this thing happened.
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He goes, if there's anything I can do to help out,
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I was like, oh, pull out your roll of deck.
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So I want you to help me find Eric Loeb's.
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Eric Loeb's is the key.
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He's the only living survivor of the second capture.
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He was a driver of Marco Cherizio, right?
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The family of the deceased military officer, Martha.
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Her mother could not get statements from Eric Loeb.
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She said every time they'd pressure him,
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he'd be smoking cigarettes and drinking
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and getting really nervous and just wouldn't say anything.
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She wanted me to go after her.
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She was like, we want a statement from Eric Loeb's.
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So badly, he's the only living person witness.
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So I said to the mayor, I was like, yeah,
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half you, well, you want to offer some help?
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Help me find Eric Loeb's.
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So he's like, no problem.
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So then we meet in the town square with a good connection.
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It was like a former chief, chief of police
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military guy and his son, Homolo, who's a lawyer
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and prominent, was a prominent politician.
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And he goes, I'll take you out there to his house
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then you guys are on your own.
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So I was like, all right.
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So there's little voice as we're all getting in our cars
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and driving off to go see this guy.
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There's a little voice in my head goes, you know,
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maybe I should get him to walk up the door with me.
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So I jumped out of my car and I flagged down the Mercedes,
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that black Mercedes that we followed.
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And I told Homolo with a translator,
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hey, is there any chance you'd consider
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just walking up the door with me?
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I honestly think that had I not done that,
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he might have just opened fire on me immediately
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because who's this gringo guy walking up to his door
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on his property, asking questions about something
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he does not want to talk about.
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And when we got up to the door,
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I remember I heard talking as we walked up
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and it was a pretty intense moment
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because I had heard about this guy for years,
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but nobody could find him.
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He wouldn't talk to anybody.
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Got up to the door and there was a handful of us,
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And I hear voices, I hear talking,
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but I can't see anybody.
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I'm like, where is this guy?
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Who are they talking to?
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And then I realized he was up in the window,
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He had his arms on the window, he was looking out the window
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and he's talking to Homolo
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and he's talking to the other translator.
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And I'm looking at this guy's face.
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And I saw a face, this does not translate in the film.
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I saw a face that I've never seen before.
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It was a face, Joe that was harboring a deep, deep,
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like burdened with something so disturbing and profound
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that I was just, I just got lost looking at this guy's eyes.
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I was like, oh my God, I've never seen a face like this before.
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And he's looking out there in the whole time,
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he's threatening to shoot everybody.
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I didn't know what he was saying.
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And the translator, everything was so chaotic.
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The translator, he said at three times,
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you don't get out of here,
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I'm a bull that's gonna start flying.
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Like he's military, you know, a guy,
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like he's armed with the teeth.
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But I was looking at this guy's face
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and I'm looking at Dave, the DP, Dave West.
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And I'm like, I'm hoping that he's getting this guy's face.
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But Dave had the wrong lens
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and the guy was looking at my DP
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and he was going like this.
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Dave said he's never been more intimidated
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by trying to film someone in his life.
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And he was like this and he had one hand under here like that.
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And he kept doing that to the camera guy.
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And Dave said he was trying to zoom in on the face
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and it was going blurry and he couldn't, you know,
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it was very intense.
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a homelow looks over at me,
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terming not a, like I,
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we didn't, he doesn't speak, he doesn't speak English
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and I don't speak Portuguese, I know very little.
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But that lucky gave me,
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that was like international.
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Like that lucky gave me,
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we're getting the hell out of here right now, right now.
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And he's like, I'll tell you later kind of thing
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And I asked him, I was like, was he serious?
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Look, all he had to do was come outside and be like,
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ah, you know guys, and the first thing he says is,
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the first thing he says,
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all we say is air clothes, air clothes,
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Eric's not going to talk about the ET.
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That was the first thing I was mouth.
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Like why would you say that?
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Like it's like the police showing up at your house
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and you open the door going, there are no drugs in here.
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It's like, I didn't ask that.
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But now that you mention it,
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okay, I guess you guys have drugs
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and he's like, I can't talk about the ET.
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Eric Loeb's could have just come outside and said,
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oh, this is a huge misunderstanding,
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standing, nothing happened.
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I'm so sorry that, you know,
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my name got dragged into this story,
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there's nothing to it.
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That's all he has to do and it's over, right?
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He just threatened to kill everybody
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and said I'm not talking about the ET.
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So that's very telling about what happened
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and they just named us street after Marcus Sharisi
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So it's an ongoing story.
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It's a, excuse me, it's a fascinating story
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and I'm gonna hang my hat on this
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that if I have the right help
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and we're all in this together,
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if there's enough compelling eyewitness testimony
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to make one think this very well might have happened,
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doesn't that merit further investigation,
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doesn't that merit further efforts
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to solve this riddle once and for all?
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This debate's been going on for 80 years.
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I'm handing this case to the world
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on a silver platter and saying, help me,
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let's get this one done.
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Ooh, imagine if some of that autopsy photos got out,
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Well, I'm talking to the doctors
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and I can tell you right now that the doctors
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all talk to each other
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and there were doctors that shot video of that creature.
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I guarantee it, I know that for a fact.
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And no one controlled that video,
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no one stopped them from doing that,
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no one got the doctor.
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Apparently the doctors were left
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to load in the room for a while with this thing.
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And here's something that I really want to put out there.
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Hopefully this gets translated into Portuguese
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and the people of Brazil will hear this.
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The doctors that were written about
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and Dr. Roger Lear's book, one of my biggest regrets,
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I was filming in Los Angeles 2013.
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I was covering the Ruiz in Bobway case
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and I had flown in all these witnesses
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with the help of this guy, Ronald Dickerson.
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I had flown on all these witnesses
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to the landing case that happened in Africa as adults.
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And I was doing this really intense shoot down there.
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I had Kim Arnold, the daughter of Kenneth Arnold.
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Someone in Paula Harris helped me lock that
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with a nightmare trying to get her on camera.
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And I just had so much going on.
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And meanwhile I'm getting phone calls from this guy,
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Roger Lear, Dr. Roger Lear, and he's going,
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I understand you're investigating Virginia,
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you gotta get me on camera, you gotta get me on camera.
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And I keep saying, I will, I'll try and I ended up
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really upset with me and he's like,
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well, if you're not gonna get me on camera,
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I said, it's not that I don't want to get you on camera,
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Roger, I'm so busy right now.
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He goes, well, what he didn't tell me was,
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I've got cancer and I'm dying.
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And please get me on camera,
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because there's aspects of the story
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that you need to know that I know.
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So anyway, he dies, he gives me these tapes and then he dies.
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I actually, I sent the tapes back to him and then he died.
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And I got his book too and I was reading his book
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when I'm putting the film together.
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And in the book, it's basically a transcription
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of all the tapes that I have.
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I could see that because I have the tapes.
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And he's got a professional translator
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and he's got this guy, Ubud Ajadur, Rodriguez,
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going around the country side with him
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and introducing all these witnesses.
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And it's all on camera except the meeting with,
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according to his book, that took place
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in the Humanitas Hospital with two doctors.
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I couldn't validate this and I didn't put it in the movie.
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But if there's two doctors who are listening to this,
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apparently the creature was alive,
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the one that Marco Shurizi brought into Humanitas
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And according to Dr. Roger Lear's book,
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everything else was accurate.
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I can't say if this was accurate or not,
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but he put it in his book.
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So I'm assuming that it is.
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And Ubud Ajadur won't talk about it.
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There were two doctors that claimed telepathic communication
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with the live entity.
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And that's in his book.
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Now I'm not telling your audience that that's true.
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I'm telling your audience that it might be true.
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We know that that entity, that creature, that being,
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that ET would everyone call it, went to Humanitas Hospital.
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We know that because we have testimony
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from the people that took it there.
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We have testimony from people on the inside
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that claimed it was there.
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But we don't have any testimony from the doctors
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that claimed there was a telepathic communication.
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Do they talk at all about what it said?
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It said that they felt sorry for the human species,
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not realizing their potential,
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who they really are.
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Like they're not, we don't realize as a race
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who we really are, that's what they said.
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So anyway, did they mean by that?
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That we're, that we don't recognize,
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I mean, I'm not quite sure.
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I guess that we don't recognize the potential
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that we have as human beings, who we really are.
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I'm not sure what they meant exactly, more than that.
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But if Ubudajar Rodriguez is listening to this,
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please come forward and tell me who those doctors are.
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If the doctors are listening to this,
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they're still alive.
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What will it take to get you to come forward?
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Just tell me what it, tell me what it takes.
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And I can tell people to contact me at my Twitter,
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I guess that's the best way to tell.
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Would it be the best way to do it?
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
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I'm not gonna give up my email.
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No, I'm not gonna do that.
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Let's put it in her sorted out.
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I want, I want people to know about this case,
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and I want people to know that this is an ongoing investigation.
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This is an ongoing investigation.
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It's something that we could all hopefully unite
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and really push to get answers.
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Both on the US side and in the Brazil side.
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We have a lot more answers than Brazil.
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We've got not a lot going on.
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I know that Leslie Cain is pushing,
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she's contacting some of her people on the inside
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that have indicated that it did happen.
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But to me, one of the weirdest ones was Ryan Graves.
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Because Ryan Graves is explained to me
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how they upgraded their systems.
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Sort of picking that stuff up.
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And they started instantaneously picking up these things.
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It was just defying physics.
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That they didn't have the ability to detect before.
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Because the systems weren't as good.
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Just interviewed him in Washington, DC,
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and you know one thing that he told him
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was that I was fascinated by.
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He said that the admiral came in.
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I think it was in 2015 when they just gotten that,
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that one object that was kind of rotating,
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kind of like a disk looking thing.
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He said that the admiral came in and he was like,
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oh God, the admiral's here and they had a debriefing on it.
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And they were showing the videos
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and the admiral stepped in.
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And he took a look at it for five seconds.
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And it's much longer than five seconds.
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He shrugged his solar and it's kind of like, oh boy.
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And he walked out of the room and I was like,
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well, what do that mean?
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He goes, that means, in my opinion,
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that he was very aware of this is that this phenomenon
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And they've known about it.
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But what can they do, right?
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You try chasing them, they fly rings around your jets.
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I mean, they're doing what they're doing.
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It's almost like they have their own agenda.
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But they're stationary, they're in the air.
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He goes, they don't have to recharge.
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Is it the gimbal footage?
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Yeah, it turns sideways.
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Yeah, I think it's called the gimbal.
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There's the go fast, there's the tick-tack.
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See if you can find that gimbal footage.
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The gimbal footage is fascinating.
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It's pretty, see it rotate.
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Yeah, see it do this thing that everybody just grabs.
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And I'd also like to put out there,
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if there are any pilots, any military personnel
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that have any photographic evidence
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that you'd like to come forward with it, please do so.
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I've got a new project and you can do it anonymously.
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Hopefully you'll do it anonymously.
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This is the thing, but whatever it takes.
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And there's another one too, because it's slightly better.
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Maybe he changes the footage.
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Yeah, there it goes.
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Yeah, that looks like kind of like a top.
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Change this way and then.
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Somewhere along, and it looks very similar
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to those things that we were just looking at.
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Those photographs, very similar.
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It looks very disc-like.
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That's another thing that Senator Reid revealed to me
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during the interview.
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He said that the material, the evidence that's been released,
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this was Senator Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader
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Harry Reid told me this on camera.
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The evidence that's been released is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Now, let me go through a couple cases.
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And the reason why I say this is because I talked to you
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earlier about that some UFOs, some UAP, I can't underline
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that word enough, represent or originate
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from a non-human intelligence.
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And I'm going to go through a handful of cases
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that I personally have looked into.
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These are cases that could prove one way or the other.
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Certainly make a very compelling argument
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that some of these objects.
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So let's start with 1945, Trinity.
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Jacques Vallet just wrote a book with a woman named Paula Harris.
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Fascinating case, I met two of the witnesses.
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I went to the landing site, the alleged crash site.
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I'm very compelling.
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There's probably military records on that.
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If that's the case, according to the eyewitness test
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of money, that should be looked into.
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Now I know your audience is going to say,
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Roswell has been beaten to death.
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And but, well, how about this?
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Let's say that a murder took place,
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even though it's 80 years ago or 75 years ago,
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does that make it like, oh, well, so much time has passed?
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Let's not worry about it.
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And the reason why Roswell is so relevant
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that most people don't understand is
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that you had the 509th bomb squadron.
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The most elite squadron, hand-select unit in the world,
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exclusively responsible for the deployment
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of atomic weapons, announced that they
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recovered a flying saucer.
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Then they recant and say, oh, terribly sorry.
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It was just a comment every day, whether balloon.
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Jesse Marcel, the first person at the debris field
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with Mac Brazl, and thank you, Don Schmidt,
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and Kevin Randall for all your work.
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We wouldn't talk about this if it hadn't been for them
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and Stanton Freeman.
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Mac Brazl takes Marcel and another guy, intelligence officer,
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out of the debris field.
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Mac Brazl says this stuff was, the material was clearly
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not of Earth origin.
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I know whether balloons inside and out.
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He described the material like tin foil that you
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crumble it up, and it regains its thing.
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These eye beams that are purple with high-roglyphic writings,
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that things of that nature, he takes it back to his son
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who I met, Jesse Marcel Jr. I knew him well.
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Went on Larry King with the guy a bunch of times.
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He described the same material that he handled personally
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The press conference they had with Colonel DeBose, Roger
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Raimi, and Jesse Marcel, two out of three of those,
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went on the record, on camera.
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Said the original story was true.
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The balloon story was a cover-up.
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You've got the FBI memo by J. Edgar Hoover
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in his own handwriting.
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He talks about in the SW case, could be Southwest.
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The Army grabbed it and wouldn't let
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us have it for cursory examination.
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That's pretty compelling.
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You've got Apollo 14, astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who
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just so happened to grow up in Roswell.
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And when he came back on the outskirts,
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and when he came back from his mission to the moon in the 70s,
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Apollo 14, six man to walk in the moon.
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He gets back, and he knows all those ranchers.
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And those ranchers tell him, yeah, that was not
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He's gone on the record saying this.
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And he also confirmed that his intelligence sources,
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He landed on the moon, told him that that Roswell was real.
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So based on just that alone, that's extremely compelling.
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And I know that Sheila Widenhall, the former Secretary
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of the Air Force in the 90s, under the Clinton
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administration, she went after that case
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because Clinton went after that case.
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And they weren't happy with the answers they were getting.
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And then the Air Force comes up with Project Mogul.
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Well, if you look at Project Mogul, Project Mogul
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is just exactly the same explanation
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as the first one, except it's a bunch of these balloons
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string together, Paul Sirwood, Tane Fort,
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absolute ballooning.
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If the Air Force really wanted to squash it,
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show us that material that the first hand eyewitness
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testimony that people that have gone on camera described,
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show us that material that crumples up from 1947.
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Show us those eye beings with hieroglyphics on it.
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Can I stop your hill?
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The material that crumpled up with the fascinating is,
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it's exactly the same as what was described
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Yes, that's what Carlos the Sousa described yet.
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This material was light like a little bit of foil
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when you crumple it and let it go.
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It was right back to its form.
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Took back his shape, yes.
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So anyway, so that's Roswell, okay.
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So someone has this.
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And someone probably has photos of this, supposedly.
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Yeah, there's a memo out that was found actually
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called the Wilson memo.
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They most researchers think it's a smoking gun.
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I've got it here, actually.
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Jackie Gleason's amazing.
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I met a guy who nicks and thinks, why?
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And Jackie Gleason told my buddy,
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Jeff Sagancki, don't listen to what anyone ever tells you.
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I had 100% confirmation these things exist.
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He didn't say that the president nicks
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and drove me out to a basin in Florida,
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but he told them, don't listen to anybody says,
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I know for a fact these things are exist.
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That was really cool.
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Anyway, this is the Wilson memo.
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We should look into it.
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That actually came out of when Dr. Edgerman's will pass
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that leaked out, I think a guy named James Rigny
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had something to do with it.
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There's been analysis work on it,
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but this is considered a smoking gun evidence
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for crash materials and programs of that nature.
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There's a guy named Hal Putoff that's mentioned,
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Eric Davies has mentioned, Admiral Wilson has mentioned.
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Quite fascinating, and it could be.
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I think there are other people out there like Richard Dolen
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and who's the other guy, Ross Cole Hart,
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they know a lot more about this document than I do.
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But in any case, let's move on.
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Can I stop you one more time?
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You said Clinton looked into this,
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but wasn't happy with the answers you got?
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What happened was Lawrence Spellman Rockefeller
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was pressuring the Clinton administration.
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I know this because I talked to John Podesta about it
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And he was basically saying that if you don't
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push for government transparency on this topic to Clinton,
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then I'm gonna expose the fact that you're not doing it
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and every newspaper journal across the country.
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So Clinton administration goes, okay, fine.
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What do you want me to do?
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And they said, I want you to go after Roswell.
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So Clinton went after Roswell.
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They were not happy with the answer they were getting
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That's that's that side of the story.
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I mean, Podesta basically said, yeah, we looked into it
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and they eventually came back with that report,
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Roswell case closed and they talked about this
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stupid weather balloon that was the project mogul.
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Project mogul is exactly the same damn weather balloon
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just a bunch of them strung together.
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Same dams, same excuse, same thing.
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Anyway, let's we'll move on.
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You've got a couple, I was talking about earlier,
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everyone Trenton or Paul, Paul and everyone Trent,
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It's very credible, McManville, Oregon, very good case.
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52, you've got the two consecutive weekends in July of 1952
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where you've got UFOs over the White House
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and UFOs are the capital.
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You have testimony, thank God, to a guy that guy
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was in the radar room that night that heard the transmission
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between the pilots that will scramble to intercept
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these things, Al Chop, a guy named Tom Tulian
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of Project Archives, thank God got him on camera, thank you Tom.
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And you get a here testimony of a guy who's listening
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to the pilot flying at 500 miles an hour
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on the pitch black over the Capitol
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and he's surrounded by UFOs.
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And he's radioing back to the tower going, what do I do?
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And they were all silent.
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Now the interesting thing about this is that the Air Force
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was in full swing, the air but press conference,
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it was the biggest press conference since the termination
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of, since the end of World War II.
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It was General John Sanford.
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And he basically says there are credible people
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making incredible claims and we don't think that it's us.
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But the Air Force in 1952 refused to let the public
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hear the testimony of the pilots like duh.
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Imagine not hearing from David Fraver.
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How are you supposed to put together a story
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if you can't hear from that?
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You got a public, like you got a public project
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for a blue book and you're not going to share with us.
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I mean, Rupert wrote a book about it.
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That case in 1952 is phenomenal.
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That's a fantastic case.
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Jacques Vallet is convinced that they had orders
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to shoot these things down, that one of them piece,
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a piece did fall down and it was captured.
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We had an argument about putting it into the phenomenon.
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I ultimately said, Jacques, it's here say I can't do it
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But Jacques convinced that we have a piece of that from 1952.
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Fast forward, 1955, Alabama.
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William T. Coleman, United States Air Force,
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World War II pilot, flying a B2-5 bomber.
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He describes along with, there were two engineers
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from Lockheed Martin and Boeing, I think, in the cockpit.
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They see an object at about roughly 9,000 feet.
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They chase it, ends up at tree top level.
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At, he's a guy told me, and I interviewed this guy
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personally at his home in Florida, okay.
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He said that the chase was so dramatic at the end,
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the disc was right in front of them.
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They were at tree top level at maximum continuous power.
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I said, what did that mean?
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He goes, if I went any faster,
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the engine was gonna blow up.
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He said, I thought I was gonna hit this thing, this disc.
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And they're all just like the hell it was a broad daylight.
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What'd it be looking at here?
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And the disc is eventually, he has to turn
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to avoid hitting the disc and,
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I just say, the United States Air Force
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corner, William T. Coleman.
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He has to pull up first because he said,
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if he dipped to the right, his wings would have hit the trees.
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So he pulls up, dips to the right, misses this thing,
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And when he gets regained sight of it,
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it's skimming across a recently plowed field
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and it's stirring up dust in the back of it.
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The plane lands, they give their tests of any all three of them.
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This is a high to project blue book.
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He was later put in charge as public spokesman
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for project blue book, William T. Coleman.
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Look him up, you don't have to do it now.
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But the fascinating aspect of it was that report
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was never included as project blue book.
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The better the case, the more credible the witnesses,
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the less likely you'll ever hear about this, okay?
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Edwards Air Force Base.
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I personally interviewed Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper.
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Gordon Cooper told me on camera
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that they were supervising the installation
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of a new runway, F-86 for F-86 fighter jets
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at Edwards Air Force Base.
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He was not present, but his camera crew was.
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A disc and broad daylight came, came into view
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and it landed on the dry lake bed.
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The guys turned their cameras on it, they filmed it.
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They walked towards it and lifted it off
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and it shot off at a high rate of speed of 1957.
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He said he had the film footage developed.
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He told me this all on camera.
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He had the film footage developed, he held it up,
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he saw it was probably a good footage.
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He's phoning the higher ups, eventually a career jet comes in
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from Washington DC, footage was taken,
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never seen a hurt from ever again.
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So, let's fast forward, let's go to the 60s.
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I talked about that case earlier, 1964.
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You got the landing, Laundies and Mora, right?
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You got the close encounter of the third kind,
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one of the most well-documented cases in US history.
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What does the Air Force do?
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Air Force tells Laundies and Mora of the Witness
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do not talk about the beans,
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because that is incredibly difficult to explain, right?
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In fact, I don't want to talk about the case at all,
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but particularly don't talk about the beans.
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1966, you got UFOs landing in Michigan,
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you got Zen Congressman Gerald Ford gets involved
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because that's when the Air Force Dr. Heinec
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explains the whole thing away as swamp gas,
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pisses off, then Congressman Gerald Ford,
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he puts it for congressional hearings, those happen.
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As the hearings are ending, April,
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I think it's April 4th or April 5th, 1966,
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there's UFOs landing on the other side of the world
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at Westall Primary School.
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It's an incredible case, over 300 witnesses,
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including the science teacher who I got on camera.
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So, let's go to, let's see,
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why don't we jump to the 70s?
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We got 70s, 1973, Lieutenant Cohen encounters the UFO
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in a helicopter, the UFO momentarily takes control
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of his helicopter, he testified at the United Nations
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in 1978 that was put on by at least Beagle and Jacques
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Foulet and Dr. Jalen Heinec, fascinating case.
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We can go to December of 1980,
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I talked about that case earlier,
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a joint US military base in England,
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bent waters, Reynolds and Forest got a landing,
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housing nuclear weapons, you got the Deputy Base Commander,
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you got all these men talking about this craft
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that's sitting on the ground, fascinating case.
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We'll go forward to 1986, Anchorage, Alaska.
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You've got JAL Airlines with the Japanese pilot
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by the name of Kenju Tarrachi.
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And fortunately, the reason why we know about this case
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is because FAA, official John Callahan,
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kept records of the cockpit recordings,
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the radar recordings, the voice recordings
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of the actual pilot talking about what he's seen,
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it's absolutely mind-boggling,
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that directly correspond to all the radar data
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which he has, he went on the record about it,
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And he said there was a meeting with the CIA stepped in,
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I'm just reporting what this guy said, okay?
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You guys believe me or not, believe me?
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The data's out there, go look at it.
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It's the enough thing I did call them, I know what I saw.
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He testified at the National Press Club in 2007
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with Lesley Kane and I organized as to what was going on.
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He kept that radar data, fascinating case.
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The pilot, Kenju Tarrachi, he said it dwarfed his airplane,
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it followed him around, it did maneuvers that were impossible.
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It made his airplane so small,
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and he was in a 747 and 747s got an elevator in it.
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Now let's jump to 1989, 1990.
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and I've personally investigated this case.
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Belgium, the Brazilian Air Force, General Wilford De Browar
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said there was objects that were the size of a football field,
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triangular in shape, didn't make any sound
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and then in a slight buzzing, shooting beams of light
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I interviewed De Browar, I flew him out from Belgium
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to the United States,
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to testify at the National Press Club in 2007.
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He said that two men from an unknown government agency
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in the US requested the radar data, the tapes.
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He said, sure, I'll make copies for you,
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but I need an official request.
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They wouldn't do it.
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He was all, well, that's awfully puzzling.
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This is General Wilford De Browar going on camera with me.
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I know that's what he's told me, okay?
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Now let's go to 1994.
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Now we got a landing in Africa,
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Ruiz and Bob White, Ariel School,
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roughly 100 witnesses, fascinating case.
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Dr. John Mack investigates the case.
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He's actually getting funded by also
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Lawrence Spellman Rockerville.
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He was doing a major funding in the 90s about this stuff.
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One of the best cases, Ruiz and Bob White, 1996,
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you got the crash in Virginia, Brazil.
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Now let's jump to 1997.
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You've got Phoenix, Arizona, March 13th, 1997.
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You've got a number of objects.
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One in particular that caught my interest
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was a boomerang-shaped craft that according to the witnesses
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and everyone was out on the night sky
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to get a glimpse of hellbob comment at the time.
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So a lot of people saw that floated across
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the state of Arizona, roughly around five o'clock to 8.30.
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From north to south.
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I even interviewed families that were lying on their backs.
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It's all, I have it all documented.
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Lying on their backs and they said this thing was so huge,
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it took four minutes to pass over our house.
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It looked like it was gonna land.
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Well I also interviewed the governor,
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five Simon Ten, he too saw it
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and said that he launched his own investigation
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with Luke Air Force Base and they had sent planes
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intercept the thing.
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He'd investigated Luke Air Force Base,
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he'd contacted his people, the Pentagon,
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they shrugged the shoulders and we don't know
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what the hell that thing was.
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It had the ability to move very slowly
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and went in and accelerated and took off.
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It took off in the blink of an eye, it was gone.
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Okay, so now let's go forward.
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Let's go to, let's say, 2004, you got the NIMIC case
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off the 200 bottles off the coast of San Diego.
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We all know about that case, David Fraver.
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They've got photographic evidence, right?
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Fliar footage, four people that saw it.
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They chased this thing and flew rings around.
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I mean, Fraver describes the technology
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that thing displayed made a joke of their F-18s.
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Fascinating case, 2006, we got a O'Hare,
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Chicago O'Hare Airport, terminal 17,
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you got half the crew at United Airlines
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seen a disc hovering over the airport.
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It hovers there for several minutes.
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It was the guy John Hillencoder, I think his name
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is John something, he wrote an article about it
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and he actually sent a FOIA request
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and got the tapes from the tower.
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You hear them talking about it while they're looking at it.
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When the disc, according to the United Airlines people,
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personnel left the area, it punched a donut hole
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in the cloud, burillion case.
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Are they said it was weather phenomenon?
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Is that recording, the recording of those
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air controller guys talking about it, is that available?
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Yeah, absolutely, it's out there.
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You can find it right now.
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Let's find it right now, let's do it.
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So 2008, let's go to 2008.
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Okay, James is going to find that.
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We'll get to play that as soon as you find it.
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Stephenville, Texas, you've got an object
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that was so described to be so big
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that you could land an airplane on it.
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Okay, I interviewed one of the best witnesses,
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civilian witness and I have police officers
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that I interviewed as well.
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Police officers, so I interviewed this guy named Ricky Sorrels.
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I tracked him down and with the help of Angela Joyner
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and Ricky Sorrel is one of the best witnesses.
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He was a deer hunter and he said he was going out at dusk
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and he's got his rifle and he's looking down
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and he's careful not to step on the dry leaves
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to make the cracking sounds and scare the deer.
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So he's looking down and he suddenly feels like something's up
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and he looks above him and he sees this object
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right above him that's so big.
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He said he couldn't see the edges from any direction.
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So he gets his rifle and he points his rifle up
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and he's a metal worker too.
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And he said I was looking through the scope
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and I was examining the metal.
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He said I'd never say anything like it.
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No rivets, no seams, no weld marks
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and it had these recessed cones in the belly of the thing.
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And he said when it took off, it took off so quick
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had I blinked it would look like it just disappeared in place
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and it didn't do what you'd think it would do like that.
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So anyway, so I'm interviewing him.
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You're saying this all audio too.
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Oh yes, I'm so sorry.
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So it didn't, it just shot straight up
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and it didn't go like a saucer skimming across the water.
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It just shot straight up in the air.
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And he said it was so big that you could have easily
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landed an airplane on it.
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So anyway, so I'm interviewing this.
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I mean, if you're an other police officer's
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and I'm investigating this case for a couple of years,
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I put a lot of it in the part I'm about to share with you
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I didn't put in the film because I couldn't.
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But the guy who's gonna come forward next year
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and that's the police officer that pulls me aside
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and I'm filming in downtown Plausice,
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Stevenville probably in 2009.
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And I was standing there doing some filming with Ricky
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Sorrell's and it was like kind of like on a lunch break.
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And this guy walks up to me.
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I'll never forget it.
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And he whips out his badge and he's like,
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you James Fox and I was like, oh God, what did I do?
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And he shows me his badge and he's like,
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So can I talk to you for a minute?
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I was like, yeah, okay.
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So I go off to a cafe.
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He sits with his back to the wall and you see him
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and he's coming forward.
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He says, everything Ricky Sorrell's telling you was true.
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I want you to know that.
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I said, how do you know?
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He said, we all watch it the entire police force.
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All watch this thing and it was like a department store.
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I pulled out my radar gun and I shot my radar gun at this thing.
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It was doing 22 miles an hour.
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It was floating like a city.
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It was absolutely colossal.
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He said, one of my mates took dash cam footage of it
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and one of his biggest regrets was they ended up
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with the local Air Force base and they took it.
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He's gonna come, I know.
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But I'm saying that the reason why I'm saying this
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is because those people out there
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that are possibly hopefully listening to this podcast,
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if they know where this evidence is
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or if they were involved in this in any way,
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shape or form, they want to come forward,
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please come forward, now's the time.
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So that's an incredible case, Stephenville, Texas.
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Did you find the audit recording?
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Yeah, which I've actually found a couple of them.
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They'll say so and so, took a photograph of it.
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Oh, sorry, of the, it's the 2006
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Oh, Harry UFO incident, it's phenomenal.
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I'm trying to remember the name of the gentleman,
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John something that wrote the article,
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it was exploded all over the headlines.
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That you are so good at recall with all this stuff.
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You can really tell that you've been obsessed with this
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It's so fascinating to watch your mind
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like go through these cases and remember all these details
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with barely even looking at notes.
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It's all just, I have, every time I get up
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and I do something like this, Joe.
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I'm representing all the witnesses that have trusted me.
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I'm representing them.
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So, when I hear Dr. Kropach say what he said,
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it's a personal assault.
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Well, he just dismissive, when I hear the government
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dismissive this whole thing, I'm thinking to myself,
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it's, I take it personally,
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because when I'm out there talking to people like you
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on these platforms, I'm sorry, it's just tense for me.
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It's like, I represent these witnesses.
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When I'm a voice for them, I come out here
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and I represent them and they trust me.
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And that means a lot to me.
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Oh, I get it, let's say, man.
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It's just like, you're, you're passionate about this.
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It means something to you and that's one of the reasons
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why your documentaries are so good.
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I give a shit about the facts.
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Listen, man, if you're right and if this is real,
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this is one of the most important things to talk about.
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And if it wasn't for documenting,
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documentaries like yours and Jeremy Corbyles
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and a few of the other ones that are out there,
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it wouldn't be as big of an issue with people.
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They wouldn't think that this was real,
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that there's weight to this.
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And, you know, like I said,
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when I heard about the Virginia case,
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I remember thinking, oh, come on, people lie.
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That's, I always think that.
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I always think, ah, people, because they do.
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Some people like to lie.
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But that's not that simple.
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That one's very complicated.
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That one's very complicated.
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And again, that man who goes to the spot
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where he saw that 25 years ago, he starts crying.
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Do you know that I showed him?
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I interviewed military acts as you know, he's in the movie.
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But military acts, it's in the credits.
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Military acts said, for the first time,
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it all started at myelini farm.
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Myelini farm is where we took him for the crash site.
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Was there any indication on the ground?
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So I flew the drone over the crash site.
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I'm in New York City a couple of weeks ago at a conference.
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And this guy pulls me aside and he goes,
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hey James, I just watched your movie moment of contact.
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He goes, you know, I'm a geologist.
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That ground at the impact site has been tampered with.
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I said, thank you because I'm not a geologist,
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but I took my drone and I flew it over.
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You looked down at that site and that area
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looks so different than everything around it.
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It looks so different.
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According to Sousa, there was some sort of acid
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like that was burning from the craft.
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And that acid is what smells so bad.
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And 26 years later, you can see it.
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Excuse me, it looks very good.
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So it's that acid from the craft,
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but it was also the biological smell of the beans.
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So it was a bunch of different.
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I mean, and so does he think that someone excavated the site?
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Well, all I know is what I was told,
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I went to Roswell 50th anniversary
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and I met with people, lots of witnesses at Roswell
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at the 50th anniversary.
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And they said that people were shoulder to shoulder
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on the ground picking up pieces.
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And after that, they lit it on fire and burned it
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and then they bulldozed it.
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So I would imagine that they might have done the same
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in Brazil, but I don't know.
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You know, one of the things that didn't end up in the film,
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I was like, I talked out of it or something.
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We met the farm hand at Myelini Farm
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and he was talking about the neighbors all saying
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they heard a huge boom.
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It happened like five o'clock in the morning.
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Something they heard a huge boom.
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And there are other witnesses like truckers that saw it too,
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where that actually caved some testimony in 1996
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and I couldn't track it down.
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But again, it's an ongoing investigation
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that truckers saw the thing.
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There was the farm hand.
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And there are certain things that don't add up.
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Like Carlos Sousa, and I love him to death.
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But there was a statement I think, I haven't seen it,
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but I've heard that he made the one time,
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was it the military trucks arrived
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within minutes of him getting there?
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But he's also made a statement that they were there
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or they were pulling in when he got there.
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So there's a couple of minutes to describe and see.
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I don't know, I believe the guy,
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if the guy was highly traumatized,
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he had a visit and his life was threatened
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and he was pointed at gunpoint to get out of there.
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He guy goes and hiding for 26 years.
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Could it be that he remembers it a little bit differently?
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Could be he described it one way back then
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and another way now?
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It's just exactly the same,
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but that the military trucks were either there
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or already there coming just a little variation.
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That's very possible.
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You just forgot it definitely.
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That's not as important as what he saw.
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No, and then like I give you another example.
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Like, you know, Carlos Sousa's convinced
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that that was on the 13th of,
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because he was going, he's an ultra light pilot
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and he's also like a history of geography professor
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in São Paulo, that it was the 13th of January.
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And the girls saw the creature on the 20th of January.
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How did those creatures get from the crash site to the town?
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Well, there's a river and I've talked to some research
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and I was thinking that that's possibility
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because the river goes from the crash site
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right to the area where the creatures were found.
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Could it be they got in the water?
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I don't know, baby, I have no idea.
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And what do they do for six days?
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So the crash was six days different from the...
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The crash happens according to the witnesses.
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According to Sousa, he's convinced it happened on the 13th
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and the girls, they know they saw the creatures on the 20th.
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So, you see what I'm saying?
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And then how did they get what happened during that period?
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What about the record of when the US Air Force jet flew in?
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That was the guy, the guy Marco Fedeth, F-E-R-E-S.
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He said it was January.
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He was like, oh, 20 at 21st.
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He's like, yeah, he was like, I think it's 20 at 21st,
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something like that.
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So it's somewhere in that.
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And the plane lands without authorization
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from the Brazilian government.
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And it lands in campiness.
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And then the helicopters go from campiness to Virginia.
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And then they go from Virginia, about to campiness.
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They load something on the airplane
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and the United States Air Force takes off again,
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all without any authorization from the Brazilian government.
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And that's what these guys are saying.
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Every single military person that we met with,
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we put a lot of little nuggets in the credits at the end.
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They all said the Americans were involved
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because I didn't know what I went into this.
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Isn't it fast names?
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They would listen to us?
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It's absolutely fascinating.
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And I want them to come forward.
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People on the US side come forward.
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Please, we need your testimony.
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This is the case that could solve this riddle once and for all.
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Because the people that saw it were alive
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and it seems like there's real footage and real photography.
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What would you do for the footage of the creature?
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You personally, what would you do for it?
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Would you go to Brazil?
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If you were guaranteed to get it,
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when you got there, would you go for it?
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You, I'm talking you.
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I'm a footage of an alien.
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Yeah, I'm not going.
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Okay, but if you go, I'll definitely watch the video
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when you bring it back.
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Logan Paul was like, well, I want to guarantee you.
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I said, Logan, there are no guarantees in life.
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There's deaths and taxes, okay?
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And well, especially to a guy like you
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who's been chasing this for 12 years.
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Well, that case, yeah, I know it's, well, you know,
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I mean, I look at Marco Leown and look at these other researchers
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and I tip my hat to them, but it's amazing.
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It's a phenomenal case.
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If it really is a look, it makes sense that we're not alone.
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And it makes sense regardless of a people
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like Neil de Gras Tyson think.
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Oh, like, I can't believe you just said that.
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Okay, so here's my thing.
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We love Neil de Gras Tyson.
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He is a treasure to the world.
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He makes science exciting.
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He gets children interested.
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The guy is gregarious.
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But when he talks about this aspect, UAP or UFO,
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we all cringe because he clearly doesn't know.
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And he goes right to ET.
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I'm like, nobody's screaming from the hilltop.
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We're saying that there are structured craft
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of unknown origin exhibiting a technology far beyond
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anything that we comprehend,
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according to the military people I've talked to around the world.
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And we don't know where they come from.
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And I said to Neil de Gras Tyson, I'm serious.
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And I hope you don't take this the wrong way.
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But I'll put $25,000 on the table right here and right now.
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If you watch as the phenomenon, and he has the same position
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after watching that evidence that we put together
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carefully with the help of Jacques Valle
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and many others to present that case to a jury.
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If he has the same viewpoint after he watches that film,
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you tell me, pick any organization of your choice, non-profit,
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and I'll give $25,000 to that organization.
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I don't think you're going to change the mind
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No, what he's going to say is, what he's going to say is,
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clearly there's something going on
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because I even got Michael Schirmer,
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who's skeptic magazine is like, wow, this is intriguing.
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Because you know, you know,
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you know, in Chircaco, it's publicly stated now
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that the preponderance of evidence is now,
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it leans in the direction of it being real.
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Yeah, no, look, the phenomenon is real.
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The only speculation is, what is it?
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You jump to conclusions quickly
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and they start talking about babies floating
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in incubators out of Alpha Centauri.
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And that's when you just lose everybody.
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It's like, whoa, hang on a second.
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Nobody's saying that.
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What we're saying is, there's a physical phenomenon
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taking place, nuts and bolts, craft,
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that are flying rings around our fastest jets
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that have leapt imprints on the ground.
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They're picked up by radar sensor, photographic sensors,
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flier sensors, they're seen visually.
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Some cases people claim that we've recovered them, okay?
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But let's just forget even if that aspect of it,
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let's just say that, you know,
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the David Fravers of the world,
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and there's cases dating back forever.
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I mean, really credible cases.
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Wow, well, if it's us,
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they sure have been hiding some revolutionary technology
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That in itself is a huge story.
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They've got things that fly without wings,
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without visible means of propulsion,
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without making any sound, any air disturbance,
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that can do right angle turns at high speed.
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Everything we know would shatter on the inside
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of that cockpit, particularly humans.
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So what I'm saying is, we know that.
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We know that five or 10% of this represents possibly
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originating from a non-human intelligence.
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That seems to be the direction we're leaning in.
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So when Neil deGrasse Tyson comes forward
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and says what he says, I'm like, you're just not,
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I've had intelligence folks go,
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God, I'd like to talk to that guy.
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Well, the weirdest one he says is,
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why would they be interested in us?
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Which I find hilarious.
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Why wouldn't they be interested in us?
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Yeah, why wouldn't they be?
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Of course, especially once we develop nuclear technology.
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Totally, I mean, we could fuck up.
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We're crazy at territorial apes.
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Has to be a correlation there.
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Yeah, I mean, it makes sense.
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It only makes sense.
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It literally only makes sense.
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Alien life formed that is interested
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in the development of intelligent life in the universe.
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You would realize it's probably a precarious balancing point
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when they reach this apex of technology,
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especially when it comes to nuclear power.
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And especially when it comes to like what we have available
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here on earth in terms of natural resources
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and we battle for it and we control,
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we're territorial, we control territories.
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We're like aggressive.
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We're like, we shoot at these things.
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We shoot at these things.
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We shoot at these things and we certainly have in the past.
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So I mean, I think they're probably beyond our ability
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to interact with them in that way.
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They're probably so sophisticated that they're
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well aware of guns and things that could damage them
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But when you think about things like storms,
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like the Vardini case, how do you account for?
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I mean, the amount of energy in a lightning storm
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And if they just plan it wrong, which is possible,
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something shifts, I mean, we're assuming
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they don't have control of the weather.
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We're assuming they perhaps miscalculate
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or got bad data, who knows?
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Or just a weird phenomenon where things,
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I would imagine that even as technology increases,
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there's going to be risk in everything,
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just like with everything in life,
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with car accidents and plane crashes.
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I would imagine that even at super advanced
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alien level technology, there's probably
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the potential for a crash.
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All right, so speaking of crash, this is up
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and I really wanted to read to your audience.
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This is the recent UAP amendment or legislation
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that was signed into law.
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I'm reading this directly verbatim, okay?
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And I'd like to know what prompted this language?
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Any activity, thank you Senator Jillabran
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and Rubio and others.
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Any activity or program by department
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or agency of the federal government
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or a contractor of such a department or agency
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related to unidentified anomalous phenomena,
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including with respect to material retrieval,
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material analysis, reverse engineering,
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research and development, detection and tracking,
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development or operational testing.
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Now that's, it's right here, you're looking up,
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the UAP legislation, what prompted that?
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What prompted the whistleblower stuff?
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I mean, there's a little whistleblower stuff.
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Protection for individuals making authorized disclosures, okay?
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Shall not be subject to a non-disclosure agreement
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entered into by the individual who makes the disclosure.
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Shall be deemed to comply and it goes on.
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That's, does that not say something?
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That Congress and the senators are getting wind
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Why would they put that language in their reverse engineering,
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recovered materials?
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I mean, come on man.
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It's pretty compelling stuff.
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Well, I'm sure they're hearing more than what we're hearing.
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Oh, they definitely are.
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We're hearing a lot.
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They definitely are.
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Listen, if it wasn't for people like you,
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I mean, in your documentaries,
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it just spurred so much interest
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and it gets people so excited that, you know,
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when I watched it, I immediately had to talk to you about it.
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I know, I got your text and I was in a workout room.
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We have this old dad, it's called,
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it's called dad bod class with this guy Marty's Australian
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We're in there listening to like,
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We're in there listening to that guy.
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I know it's so silly.
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We're laughing at ourselves.
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You know, we're in there doing our weights and everything
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and I always keep my phone by my side
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because my son is in school.
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He's eight years old and I gotta be available.
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It's apparent like something goes wrong.
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And I hear this, I was like, ah, damn, I'm doing my thing.
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I go in there and look and it says,
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unrecogn, unknown number.
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It could be Joe Rogan, I was all excuse, it's Squeezing.
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Anyway, that was really funny.
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That was really funny.
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I want to know your favorite part
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if you don't mind me asking this.
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What's your favorite part of my own in contact?
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I don't know if I have a favorite part.
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Going over the whole documentary,
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it might be when that man starts crying,
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when that man goes to that site and he starts crying
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because it's so intense.
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And you just imagine being a person
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who has this extraordinary, once in a million lifetimes
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event where something from another world,
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something you can't believe is real, something crashes down
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and you're there to experience it
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and you're a handful of people.
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And you have this memory burned in your psyche forever
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and then someone brings you back to that site.
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That guy was just overwhelmed.
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That might have been my favorite part.
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I think it's the doctor and the military
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actually drove the creature around.
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I looked that guy in the eyes.
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Yeah, I was like, did look him in the eyes too.
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Oh man, that was so intense.
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And I met him a couple nights prior to that
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and it was just, just sus and amount.
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It was just, it was an incredible opportunity.
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Hey, do you mind if I, if I acknowledge my family
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for all their support?
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I want to acknowledge my family, Rebecca,
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and my son, Ollie, he's been so supportive of me.
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Yeah, I said, not to my son, Ollie,
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my sister Kelly's been working so hard
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on my cousin Ian and my other sister, Janine and Emily
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You guys have been so supportive.
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And like, this isn't incredibly laborious thing
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you've done, you know, to the amount of time and effort,
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especially this Brazil case.
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How do you walk away from a case like this
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if you think it's true?
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If you think it's true and you're you, you can't.
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I mean, you can't, you must count.
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You can't, Paul, it's so important.
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You can't let it go.
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You can't put it down.
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It's just like you have no choice.
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Like, what am I going to do?
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Why did this guy walk out to me one time and he goes,
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why do you do what you do?
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You're so compelling.
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I said, well, let me ask you a question.
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If there was tangible evidence being withheld,
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I'm not saying this is a fact.
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I'm just saying hypothetically, if this was going on
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and if it was being kept in the general public
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that there's evidence that suggests we're not alone,
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how significant of a story would you give that?
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And immediately he's like, oh my God, if that was true,
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it would be the most important thing ever.
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I mean, that's what we all want to know.
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And I was like, well, I'm convinced it's happening.
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So how do I walk away from it?
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It's almost like what you love kills you, you know?
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Well, I don't think it's killing you.
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Well, I think I think you almost did with Eric Loaf.
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Well, yeah, that was a sketchy scene.
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Those sketchy scene.
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I think it's important and I think you should be praised.
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And I think that if this case is real
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and if these people are telling the truth
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and my God, it certainly seems like they are,
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I mean, the confirmation that some,
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and what's fascinating to me is like that there's a lot
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of variation in these things.
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A lot of variation in these experiences,
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a lot of variation in these crafts.
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And I've got, you got to imagine
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there's probably not just one world.
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That's what I was interested in us.
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That's what I was thinking.
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It could be all the above.
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It could be many worlds that are actually huge.
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Such a huge universe.
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It's impossible to even wrap your mind around how big it is.
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And if something out there is like Earth,
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where intelligent life has evolved
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to a very significant point,
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but then keeps going for a thousand years,
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10,000 years, a million years.
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What if they live in a more stable environment
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where they're not getting pelted by asteroids like we are?
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Neutralize the aging gene.
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Yeah, what if they figure something out?
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They're not subject to the same biological ailments
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What if they incorporate some sort of technology
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into their physical bodies?
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What if they're a hybrid of artificial intelligence
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and biological life?
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There's so many possibilities.
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So many possibilities.
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It's almost impossible for us to even imagine
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the variations that could be out there.
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Because you're talking about a truly infinite universe.
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they've already identified Goldilocks planets,
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more than one, multiple Goldilocks planets
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in the known universe.
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My son came up to me a couple days ago
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Daddy, I haven't been thinking a lot about this.
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I've been thinking a lot about this.
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I think those creatures in Virginia,
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they came from a Goldilocks zone.
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Oh, it's like, oh my God, I just about died.
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He thought about it.
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He's been thinking about it.
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I'd like for the next generation.
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I love the idea of not having all this secrecy.
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And look, we know for sure there's secrecy
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surrounding this topic.
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That's just the fact.
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Why can't we do that?
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Well, don't you think that once it begins with secrecy?
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So if you take us back to 1947 to Rosalind, Mexico,
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if it begins in secrecy,
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if the first ever crashed UFOs,
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if that begins in secrecy,
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like what would compel them to stop that?
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And how much resources would be involved
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in disseminating that information to general public?
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And why would you do that?
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Especially the way that the government has treated us
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always when it comes to matters of...
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We can handle the national conflict.
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When it comes to virtually anything, they lie.
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And they always come up with a narrative
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that is very loosely based on facts.
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And they spoon feed the American public
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what they want us to hear.
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Anything that would take away their agency.
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Like if you want to pretend that you're in control
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of the United States, the United States is in control
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of the world, but all of a sudden,
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there's these beings from another planet
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that behave in a way and move with their crafts in a way
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that's impossible for us to replicate.
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We don't even understand the technology.
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We have no idea where they're from, how they got here,
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they communicate with us telepathically.
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I'd probably shut the fuck up too.
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If I was the president of the United States,
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I just asked that very question
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to Representative Andre Carson a month ago.
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Because I was curious, it's like, okay,
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you guys got Arrow, you got all this investigation's going on,
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you got all this probe going on.
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Let's just say that they make the determination
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after a careful review of the data,
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the data that you and I don't have access to,
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that some of these things represent
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or originate from an onhuman intelligence.
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Now does Cropatric go to Congress?
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Does he disclose that?
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So does he go to Congress and do they disclose that?
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Well, it's not really their job.
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Basically, they're going to be saying we're not alone.
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So they go to the president, whatever president that is,
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there are already so controversial
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half the country hates them,
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who is going to be politicized.
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So the president can't do it.
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And what do we represent?
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4% of the world population?
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So we're going to tell the rest of the world
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that we're not alone.
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Do we do it internationally through the United Nations,
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a panel of international scientists?
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If that happens, then we have to share
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all of our sensitive private data, right?
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Potential materials and bodies with the rest of the world.
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I don't see how they can do it, to be honest with you.
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And I've never really thought it through like that before.
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Like, think of the actual execution of disclosure.
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How might that occur?
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And I asked that very question to Andre Carson,
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representative Andre Carson, the other day,
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and he's, nobody's got a plan.
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There is no plan in place.
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I was going to say one more thing.
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There was a documentary that just came out.
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The guy's got a totally different perspective
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on where he puts things together.
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But the cast of characters regarding recovered materials,
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it's pretty compelling.
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And it's called accidental truth by a guy named Ron James.
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And again, it's not my style.
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I tend to kind of be more muted.
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Yeah, I actually don't know what to put.
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Where's it available?
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Probably on iTunes and Amazon, I'm guessing.
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But as the cast of characters that deal
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with potential recovered materials,
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and it's a little bit, you know, like the artwork and stuff
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is not my cup of tea.
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But I did watch it, and I was like, oh, this is interesting.
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Anyway, I thought I'd mention that since we're
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on the topic of recovered materials, so.
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For the more intense forth.
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Listen, man, what you're doing is very important.
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I really, really believe that.
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And if this turns out to eventually get released,
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you're a real trailblazer.
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And I think the amount of labor and just the intense focus
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that you put into just to make this one documentary.
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Forget about the phenomenon, too.
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It's amazing stuff, man.
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I'm glad you're out there.
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I appreciate you very much.
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I really appreciate you having me on.
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I really means a lot.
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One more time, your Twitter for everybody.
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It's at James C. Fox as in cat.
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That's my Twitter hand.
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That's the person I've ever given it out.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you for having me on.
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A moment of contact.
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It's fucking amazing.
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