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Chris Blood so welcome to the show.
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Thank you for having me Sean.
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I can't wait to dive into what we're about to talk about.
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But so, gotta give Sean Web credit again.
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He has introduced me to some of the most fascinating people that I've ever met and just
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a great human being.
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And also, I was with Brandon Fugel about a month ago and went and toured.
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He gave me a private tour of Skim Walker Ranch and I told him that me and you were potentially
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doing an interview and he got really excited about that and told me a little bit about
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what you guys were doing out there.
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So I'd love to touch on that.
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But all in all Chris, I'm just ecstatic that you made the trip and I was able to meet
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your son Ryan and been really excited to do this.
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It's the same here my friend.
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We've been so excited that I'm just, I'm honored.
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Well, everybody starts with a introduction.
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So Chris, blood so you had a life changing UFO experience in 2007 after the financial
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crisis that saved your life and cured you of your chronic illness.
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What was that chronic illness?
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Since then you've dedicated your life to sharing your story and how it impacts your
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faith, which I can't wait to dive into that.
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You are the author of the New York Times bestseller UFO of God, the extraordinary true story
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And since then you're a UFO experience.
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You've talked to CIA, NASA, the history channel.
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They've all been studying you and your experience.
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And from what I understand, trying to figure out what's going on with your consciousness.
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So I have a lot of questions.
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But and then we have a Patreon account.
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They've been with us since the very beginning.
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There are top supporters.
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And without them, I wouldn't be sitting here and neither would you.
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And so one of the things that I do is I offer them an opportunity to ask each each each
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quest, each guest a question.
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And so there's some really good ones on here.
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This one is from Kathy.
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How do you view death now since your experience?
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Is it a soul departure or rebirth or finality as your true being dies?
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It's completely, to me, the real world is the unseen world where there's no time.
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I think we're in some sort of matrix here where we experience time from the physical body,
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Once you're born, it starts decaying right after it grows.
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But the eternal world is alive and around us.
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And I've been able to experience that and have shared it with a lot of others.
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This hidden world around us.
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I think our loved ones are on the other side cheering for us to get through to the other
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Stronger in my fate than I ever have been.
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Here's a question that just came to mind on the subject.
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Talking about where we go after we die and what you think happens after we die.
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Where do you think we are before we're born?
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I don't know, but the Bible says, and I knew you before you were born.
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So if you're eternal, we were part of God.
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In other words, we're consciousness, the word consciousness leads back to one.
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So you got all these people talking about consciousness now.
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Well, that just means God, right?
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So I think we're all part of God and we breed the life into every one of us.
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And we return back to that unless we fail, you know, those consequences.
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So when you say consciousness is God, what exactly does that mean?
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Because all of our consciousness is different.
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We don't see eye to eye on things.
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We have different perceptions.
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We view the world through different lenses.
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And so is this a, do you think consciousness is one big collective?
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I think it's like a wireless internet, basically.
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The all the information to every living thing is around us.
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In fact, I read studies from NASA.
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I have a couple that are pretty interesting where it talks about the green light.
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It shines from the sun, the way it angles on earth.
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The light is in the green spectrum, which is the color spectrum, the center.
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And in that green light is, it affects this chemical called ADT,
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which is in all living things.
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Hema Globen and Ihaemann to plant life chlorophyll.
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And when that light hits that chemical, it creates the energy with stars life.
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So something is telling every cell in your body what to do, you're not in the grass,
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in the trees, and the bugs.
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It's all created by this field of information around us.
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And I think we're just receivers that this is how we're able to, to remit view.
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This is how you're able to do a lot of that kind of stuff
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because we can tap into it.
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This consciousness around us is, it's like a wireless network.
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So it's complex and I'm just guessing, just like everybody we speculate,
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what is real about, you know, even God.
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We all speculate because we really don't know.
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Were you some personal question, but it sounds like the experience that you had in 2007,
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which we'll dive into here in just a couple of minutes,
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it sounds like that really, I don't know if a major faith is stronger
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or just brought you to faith in general, but strong.
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So you were always a Christian.
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I was, yeah, my wife's been, I was a deacon in the Pentecostal and his church.
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I was raised in the Baptist church.
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And I married my wife 42 years ago.
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I was still in love and happy.
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And she says, you're going to marry me, you're going to go to church with me.
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You're not going to drink and all that.
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I was 20 years old, 21 and we got married.
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I joined the Pentecostal church.
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I became a deacon in the church.
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And then I ran into trouble when I had this experience with the UFO
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and that created some problems for me.
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So did you come to faith because of your wife?
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You had to make a deal?
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When I was a little boy, my neighbors, I lived out in the country,
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I was born on a farm, right?
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My dad was a carpenter.
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My, I worked in the back.
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And hey, and you know, sometimes on a dairy farm,
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my neighbor had one, but all the kids wanted to go to the local church.
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We had a little 1700s church that was in the Civil War.
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It was a hospital, since old, dirt driveway is still there.
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And all those kids wanted to go to church because that's where only we could get together
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And so I was deep rooted in the Baptist church until I married her.
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And I had to convert from Baptist to Pentecostal, which was different.
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I'd never seen speaking in tongues and walking on the tops of the pews and shouting and all
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But that's where I ended up in the church.
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So I'm deep rooted in my faith.
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I know the Bible pretty good.
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But I see it differently now because I have seen something that changed.
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Where you into, before this experience, were you into UFOs or extraterrestrial life for
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Back in those days, I was, I was the builder, my dad.
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I was actually a commercial pilot.
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That was my first love.
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It was to be a pilot.
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I swore I wouldn't going to be a carpenter.
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I wanted to be something different.
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So my wife encouraged me when we got married to get into a plane and I did and I studied
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I actually taught weather for pilots.
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I was certified college level.
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So that was my life until we had the third baby.
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When the third baby come along, I had to make a decision.
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Do I become a dad that sees my kids two days a week?
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And basically not a part of their lives or do I want my children to love their dad.
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And so I changed my whole career to look after my children.
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Got into the building, didn't.
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Long about 2001, the World Trade Center disaster happened.
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And when that happened, I was caught with 72 houses under construction.
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We built 100 a year, 120 houses.
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My wife had to remax company in Fayetteville.
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She was, I think her last year, they closed $40 million worth of homes, new and existing.
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But when they crashed the World Trade Center, Fort Bragg went on big alert.
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It was where I left.
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Fort Bragg, I worked with the soldiers.
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This who bows the houses mostly.
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And I saw it all, a slow motion train wreck coming because back in those days, it interests
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rate on construction money was 89%, which it is now, which is terrible.
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As to where staying it could do to kill the housing business, which is happening right
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I have friends in the building business and family that are crying about that.
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What happened, I had $100,000 a month going out in interest and overhead.
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And by the time 2005 come along, it had bled me of all life savings, 20 years worth of work.
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And my disease that I had been fighting since 25 years old, 26 Crohn's got worse and
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it got worse and real worse to the point that we sold the company.
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I couldn't get out of bed.
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And so I'd never thought about a UFO.
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I was too busy raising children and building all these houses and dealing with the now
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I'm in the restroom 25 times or 20 times a day.
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And it was, I thought it was going to die for me.
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So that's where my brain was.
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And 2001 right on up to when it actually happened in 2007.
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But well, Chris, let's, let's dive in to the incident.
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Let's dive into what happened on the Cape Fear River.
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What was, what were you doing that day?
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Well, I'd sold the business, right?
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And therefore a year, there's a part there that is in my book.
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I write about this leading up to that incident.
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I'd had this near death experience in the hospital from being overmedicated from some
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of the medicine they were giving me.
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They weren't checking my, my vitals and my liver like they were supposed to.
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And I went into this toxic poison and unconscious.
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And so now I've sold my business because of all what the crash and, and here I am sick,
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So I'm recovering from this, this disaster in a fire.
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So we fast forward to 06 in about October of 06.
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I had gotten better enough that my dad convinced me to get out and try to work.
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And remember, I'd lost everything, everything.
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We were living in a 8,000 square foot home on a golf course with a pool out back 20 years
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we were doing great.
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Now I'm living in a mobile home and I'm having to apply for free lunch for my kids.
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So I looked after a house for four months late 2006 and it was finished up just before
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Christmas, but we had a punch list to do.
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So we all came back and then right after the first, July of the first, I mean, January
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of the first, the crew went back down to the coast to do the punch list.
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I told them I'm not coming.
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Just bring a check when you get done.
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So on the seventh, January the eighth of that year, they called me.
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We got it all signed off and we got your check.
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So we'll bring it on to the house and give it to dad and he'll pay you.
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And so they got their checks about one or two o'clock or 12, 30 or one o'clock.
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They went to town, cash them and come back and call me and said, hey, boss, let's celebrate.
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Would you take a fish in?
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And I knew with that meant because these guys were just construction workers.
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They worked with my dad for years and years, but when they wanted to go fishing that meant
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I had only four-wheel drive truck and where they wanted to go.
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We had to go down in the woods to a river bottom, right?
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And this is gnarly going down in there.
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So I said, yeah, why not?
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Chris General was at home.
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My wife was out of town with the other three children.
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And so about 230 in the day, they came back.
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We loaded up the fishing gear and took off to the river, only three miles away.
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So we pulled up, parked.
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If I can give you an idea where we were, Kate for a river.
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It's not a big river.
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It's only like 60 yards wide where we were.
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And the main road, if you come up on a big field on the left, there's a two-road road that
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crosses this field, 200 yards across to the wood line.
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When you get to the wood line, there's a gate and it goes downhill 100 feet to the river
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by the eighth of a mile.
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And then you make a right and you end up in a cul-de-sac, another eighth of a mile.
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It's important I tell you this so you get what happened.
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So we're now sitting on the river bank, parked about 230 or quarter to three.
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And I wasn't an inefficient.
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My mind wasn't inefficient at all.
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In fact, I was struggling with everything.
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My thoughts, I broke.
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How can I support my children?
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I have this disease that's killing me.
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This Crohn's disease is a terrible thing.
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And so that's where my brain was.
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By these guys were excited in Christian or they, I made sure they were sitting on the
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bank and everything's taking care of.
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Because then my mind, I'm going to walk away and go meditate in the forest somewhere.
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And so once they started fishing, I said, I'm going to walk down in the cul-de-sac to
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about an acre of grassy area or just around, around acre.
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It was where that road did in.
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And then the very back of it is where I had walked down in along the river to a gully and
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I sat beside a tree until about four o'clock.
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Not letting these guys know what I was thinking, right?
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And I'm thinking very bad thoughts.
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I was struggling with, you know, can't, how am I going to make it?
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How am I going to support my kids?
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And about four or ten out of four, it started getting the sun going down.
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It's about about 30 in January.
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The sun sets, right?
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And so I made my way back out of the woods because the canopy had made it dark and
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it didn't have a flashlight.
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I walked right up to these guys and they were a sun, a Christian, and these men.
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They were running crews, had families.
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And I said, you guys want to fish them or you want to go home?
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And we just got here, boss.
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So what's going to get cold tonight?
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Let's get a fire going.
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So we went around that acre, all of us, and we gathered up all the deadwood we could
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We got a fire going right on the river bank and it was about ten after five now.
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And I said, we had a day light still.
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You can see the, you know, just blue sky still.
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I said, I'm going to walk up to the gate.
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And I'm going the opposite direction, two way we came in.
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And I'm going to set it to gate by the field and I'm going to watch for deer, coyote, turkey.
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So I was born and raised a hunter.
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And I was big in the hunt and hunted all over the country from Montana to Texas and shot
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my first deer at five years old.
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With shot point blank in the back, with a shot gun at ten, little hole in me this big right
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in my shoulder here.
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I have led you can see on this side.
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You know, that was another near death experience when I was ten.
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And so I left them walking.
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I look back and they're sitting there by the fire and I felt like they're taking care
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I'm going to keep walking.
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So all I'm doing is showing is crying out to the heaven and it helped me.
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Give me the answers.
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And I was spiritual God then in the church and I'm praying as I'm going along.
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And when I got within, here's the weird thing.
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I was just part of the way down parallel in the river when I heard something that was
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I thought it was a deer to start with.
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And so I stopped and I'm looking and trying to look through this big brush and could see
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So I walked some more and when I started walking, it started walking.
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I don't never get scared in the woods.
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I mean, I'm in the Boone and Crocac record book for shooting one of the biggest black bears
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Back then it was one of the record, 660 pounds and I shot him from six foot away.
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That's how I wasn't afraid then.
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It was too quick to be afraid.
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Something this sound started sounding like two feet.
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So I stopped and I got down on my knees and I looked under the brush.
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It's along the edges.
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Once you get into it, it'll open up right because of the tree canopy.
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Never could see what that was.
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Three times it had me to stop and to get down to see what was that tracking me.
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So when I got to the curve or to the point where the road turned west and started up the
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hill, the sound stopped.
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And I'm looking up at a sky that I thought the sun was still about to top of the trees
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But I couldn't tell because I'm looking up hill at a metal gate, cattle gate at the top
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And it's a long haul up there, got 100 feet to go up and it's rough, muddy, rough and
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You know, some places knee high so I'm having to watch every step and it's starting to get
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And the closer I got to the top of that hill, I'm not hearing this in the woods beside
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And I wanted to tell you that because it'll come back in the picture here in a second.
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I got about 30 feet from the top of that hill and I began to see what I thought was the
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sun, the top of it, just the very top of it.
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And I walked over the horizon.
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Yeah, over just, you know, I got a gate.
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I'm looking up at a gate, a metal gate.
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And I could see the sun just barely above that gate and the top of the trees.
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Just for the first, when I first glance it, I didn't think much about it.
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I looked down to take another step because I didn't want to walk in the mud.
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And about three more steps up the hill, there was in full view.
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And it was this blood-red, tangerine orange ball of fire, about 40 or 50 feet around.
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And I was like, oh my God, what is that?
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I could see the flames going around it and the tips were shooting off.
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This thing's huge, big and it's only 300 yards away.
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It's just beyond the road and just at the top of the trees and sitting there.
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It kind of frightened me a second, but I'm curious.
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I walked up two more steps and when I did, now my field of view's gotten wider
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because I don't have the trees of the road.
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I'm looking up the shoot now, I can see more.
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And there's a second one right beside it.
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And that's when chills came over me.
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So I couldn't explain it.
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I dropped to my knees because I doing that, I'm using the hill to hide from them.
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So I'd raise my head up and I could see they were there.
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And I'm sitting here on the ground thinking, what the world is this?
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I knew it was nothing from this world or from the military.
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I'm trained in that.
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In fact, I have military manuals that were given to me for, you know,
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it used to get you to train on different types of aircraft from Russian to,
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so in my world of aviation.
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So I automatically knew what I'm looking at wasn't a helicopter,
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it wasn't something of ours.
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So I'm hiding there and I crawl over to the ditch into these reeds, you know.
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Breeds are growing wetlands.
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And so I'm peeking through these reeds, thinking I'm hiding from what I'm seeing.
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Not realizing it, it's seeming.
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And I start making my decision to run.
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I got to run because I'm thinking about Chris Jr. back behind me down the hill
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that I've gotten frightened.
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I sit there longing out that it's really frightened me bad.
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So I made a plan to run and I turned my body.
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I'm sitting on the ground on my knees, hiding right.
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So I raised up and I turned my body to run.
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I'm in the motion to run and I'll look back one more time.
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I got to see what's up there.
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And when I did straight above me, a third one appeared and went shot right down
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beside the other two.
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And I knew then, I knew it saw me.
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I knew I was on its radar.
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And that's a different feeling.
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You know, somebody can see a ball of light fly by, oh my God, I saw you a foe.
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And that does something to you.
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But when you see it and it responds to you and the way that did, I knew I felt like
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a rat, a lab rat or I was, you know, I'm in trouble.
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So I last the next thing I know, I'm about 50 yards from the fire.
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And I'm kind of walking through this mud and I have no recollection of what happened
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coming down that hill.
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I only could remember the last 50 yards that were going up to the fire.
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And these three men are standing there around the fire.
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They're no longer fishing.
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Fire is burned down to a little small fire.
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And they're looking down, talking.
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They couldn't see me coming because I didn't have a flashlight.
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I'm coming out of the door.
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But I could see them from the fire.
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And I snuck up on them and I said, hey, guys, you won't believe what just happened.
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And the first thing I once said, where in the, and I'm not going to use the words they
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use, but where have you been?
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I said, I was just up at the hill.
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I told you I was going up to the field.
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They said, you've been going all night.
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I said, no, I haven't.
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I've been going 20 minutes.
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And we're arguing this.
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And I noticed, Christianer's not there.
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And I told him, you won't believe what I just saw up top of the hill.
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These three balls of fire.
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Then immediately, where's Christianer?
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Well, he went looking for you two hours ago and we can't find him now.
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He walked into the cul-de-sac.
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And so far into the cul-de-sac, where you had gone earlier that day, searching for you
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These woods are huge.
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You know, 60 miles to, to Wellington from where we are and nothing but forest along that
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And all I could think is he's lost in there.
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And they're telling me that one state at the fire, while the other two took my truck and
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they even pointed out my truck had been moved from where I parked it.
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He said, we've been everywhere looking for you all night.
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So I immediately took off running to the back of that cul-de-sac, shouting for junior.
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I was worried about what happened to me up there.
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I was freaked, right?
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And here's my son missing.
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And I started making my way into the woods.
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Around the edges of any field, especially where we live, it's real thick because it's
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just shrubbery, right?
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And so I'm partying this stuff and I'm calling out for Chris Turner and I get about 10
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feet in there and I hear him.
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He wasn't answering me until I walked right up, almost stepped on him.
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And he'd come up out of these bushes and he grabbed me and he's weeping.
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It's traumatic because of the struggle he had.
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And it wasn't because of that so much it was after, right?
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It was a lot of trouble after that.
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That he went through and we'll talk more about that in a second.
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But you know, to see your son and shock, eyes like this, shake him.
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So he's like, why did you leave me?
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What was your initial thought?
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I didn't saw your son like that.
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I didn't want to tell him what had happened to me because he's talking out of his, he's
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saying things like, he's creatures that he's creatures.
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Why did you leave me?
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Why did you leave me?
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I said, if you son, I'd been gone for 20 minutes.
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You've been gone all night.
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And how old was it at the time?
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You know, the baby is at that age.
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And so he didn't tell me, I grabbed him.
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All he wanted to do was go home.
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He wanted to go home.
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He wanted to know more what happened to him.
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And so what happened was where he was at the back of that cold assack.
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He could see all the way down in parallel to river to the end where I made the turn and
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started up the hill.
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So it was a quarter mile.
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He could see all the way down.
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And he's over there in the edge of the forest, calling out for me while they're driving
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And he got a set in the fire.
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And the fire was between, you know, he's got to walk toward what he saw come in to get
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So he sees these two red lights cross the road.
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And he thought they were flashlights.
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Like military, they used to have a military flashlight.
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It had a red on it, right?
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And you remember those.
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And so that was his first thought.
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There were somebody's walking with these red flashlights.
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So they crossed the road over to the river side, just pure.
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She takes off and he runs back to the fire.
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And he tells these guys about these two lights he saw.
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And then he turns and he goes back to the back of that cold assack, still calling for
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And about that time, these two red lights come back out of the river side, back out in
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And they start towards them.
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Now these two balls of light, they look like this big and they're floating three feet
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off the ground coming all the way down that road.
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And as they got closer to him, he got scared and he started hiding.
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So he lay down on his stomach and crawled up under, backed up under the thickest ropes.
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And they came up within 20 feet of them.
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And what he saw were these two little glowing beings that were, yay, probably three, two
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and a half, three feet tall.
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And they had these bright red eyes.
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And the whole time one was staring at him.
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He was in such terror.
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And I don't know if they had the power to keep him from him.
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He thought that they had that power of him, as long as they were looking at him.
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So he was gone a total of two hours.
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And I don't know how long exactly.
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He was there with these little beings walking around him, but it really, it put him in
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And so I let him back to the fire.
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And these guys were freaked out too, because they'd heard what happened.
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They didn't know what happened.
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They knew that I'd been going all night and Juner was talking about creatures.
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And I'm talking about balls of fire at the top of the hill.
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So this man's starting to get spooked real bad.
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And one of the guys looks up and points, oh, look at that.
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And we all look up and it looked like the brightest star Venus in the night sky when it's
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It was the eight or nine of these just appeared and they just came on.
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And they went out away from one another and they came back in a circle and they made this
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big circle and they were putting on a shove.
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And then three of these things came all the way down and landed across the river.
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60 yards to the other side of that river.
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They were up on the other side of it in a cut down.
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It timbered the place out.
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So you can imagine Panamonium set in at that moment.
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We left out of there with fishing poles, steel there, coolers, everything we brought
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we didn't even wait to touch it.
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And we jumped in that truck and I'm taking off up through this muddy road.
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And one of the guys is beating on the back of my seat, saying go, go, go.
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And there's this red ball of light coming up behind us following the truck.
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So undoubtedly it came out of the back of that cold side.
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It was still in there and was coming up behind the truck.
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They were screaming to the top of their lungs.
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But the weird thing is Sean, I was like numb to it.
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I'd lost all fear from where I was when it appeared on the top of that hill.
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To now I'm not afraid.
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So we make the turn and we start up that hill and I'm going so hard with that forward truck
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up that hill and it's wallowing in the ruts and the shrubs on either side of the bush
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brushing the mirrors down in the swamp.
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And when I crossed the top of that hill that gate it was almost like I likened it to an
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old street to San Francisco.
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Maybe where the cars would jump when they go over the hills.
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We almost went airborne.
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That's how fast we were trying to depart that place.
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But when we top that hill there's three orange orbs.
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Two of them were still in the exact same spot.
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Now we got three 40 foot balls of white light on the riverbank behind us and something
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an orb which I know what it was.
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It was one of those beings.
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Their eyes from a distance looked like a little ball of light.
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You can't really tell.
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And so now we're faced with two 40 foot balls of fire, 300 yards and about 200 feet in
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And the third one is the one that took me.
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That's the one that appeared above me and shot down.
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That thing now is sitting in the road and it's halfway between us and highway.
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So it's a hundred and 150 yards away.
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And I went over to the hill, I slammed on brakes because of that.
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It's set and it looks like a football now.
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It changed from red to white.
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And it's setting sideways in the road.
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It's hovering about five feet off the ground and it looks like an egg or a football.
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About that time we heard gunshots and we all heard them and we thought immediately
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one of these country boys had pulled out a shotgun and they were shooting at this thing.
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So it just pitted and it starts towards us.
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It's coming down the road at us.
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Five feet off the ground.
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But I went back back one second.
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Before we heard gunshots, there was this mobile home in the back of that field.
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And there were two cars there and one of the guys with me says, I know who that is.
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He's play, I play softball with him.
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So let's go to his house.
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I didn't have a cell phone.
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I couldn't afford one.
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And we just wanted somebody to see this with us.
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So I drove across the ditch, up in this man's yard, pulled my truck right up to his front
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door and the storm door is open.
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I mean, it's closed, but the front door is open.
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So we can see the TV playing through the door, two cars in the yard.
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And one of the guys gets out and knocks on the door.
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And I have been blew the horn.
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My truck's six feet from the front door.
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Headlights blurring in.
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And I'm looking back through the window and this thing sitting in the road behind us,
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Because the mobile home was facing the way out.
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And we had turned up to the door and that door was, I mean, this football was still there
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So I back, back out and I pull back out in the road.
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And I'm about 40 or 50 yards closer to this thing because we had to go forward to get
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to this mobile home.
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About that time the three gunshots happened and then it starts and it comes and it comes
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and when it gets to my truck, I open the sonar of on it and it crossed over the top of
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my truck and it was probably six feet up.
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I kind of shot it with a homemade slingshot and it hit this thing.
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No sound, just glowing white light that was doing this.
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Did it look solid or did it look, it on our translucent?
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It once it got that close to us, it looked almost, it was blinding from the light.
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But at a distance, it looked like an egg.
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It's hard to tell it was translucent because the light coming off of the thing.
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But it was definitely shifted from a red ball of fire to a football or an egg or a tick
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And I'll tell you how I got involved with government because when I reported that thing, I'll tell
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So here this thing comes over my truck.
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Right when it got up.
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Was it passing through things or was it moving around things?
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It moved up and over a tree in front of me.
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It wasn't like it was passing through trees or trucks or...
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Although they didn't eat.
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They told it was doing both.
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No, this one, it came down the road and it was one tree between us and it to the side
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and it went up and over.
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When it came over the truck, it cleared the trees behind me.
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This was solid stand and was behind me.
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So it had to been about 80 feet at the most to clear them trees and then it turned.
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It pivoted and shot off to the north.
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Now I'm flying out of there and these guys are just at the end of the world.
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Where's the military?
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Get me home so I can see my wife before this horse over.
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I mean it was just drastic.
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Now I'm no longer afraid.
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They were all terrified.
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So I'm sitting back kind of, no, I'm watching this take place.
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I wanted to get out of the truck and look at it.
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They were like having nothing to do with that.
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So we take off and we start toward dropping these guys off.
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One of them lived or two of them lived side by side about two and a half miles away.
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The other one lived about six miles away, seven miles.
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They were fighting who got to go home first.
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So bad that the sky that lived seven miles away went out.
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So we had to drive to him, drop him off and turn him in and come back to drop the other
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But on the way we had orbs, balls of light, tracking us alongside the truck, crossing over
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And one of the most, these kinds of details.
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I'm going to tell you now, I'll play the major part in my understanding of what was going
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on because halfway there between where we were and the home of the first two guys, two
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and a half miles, right?
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Halfway there is a dead man's curve.
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I mean, it's a short curve.
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It's like if you go through it at 35, you're having a hard time.
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The car just, you could lose it real easy.
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In fact, my first wife was killed there in that curve and I found her.
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What do you mean you found her?
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It was a weird thing.
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You found her that night?
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I'm going to tell you, in 1980, one or two, 82, we'd been married 11 months and 28 days.
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So we had two days before we went to the anniversary and I had gone deer hunting to the coast with my
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dad and we were hunting islands with dogs, right?
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And my neighbor, friend, growing up, we had a hunting club out in the middle of nowhere.
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On 4,000 acres of land, dad had it for 25 years and that's where all the young kids would
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go on party on Friday night or Saturday night.
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They'd have a keg party or whatever and I'd go hunting and they all called me.
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You got to come to the party and so my wife said, I'll meet you there.
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She went to the party.
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I got home by day to clock from the coast, got dressed and took off down to the party.
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And she left the party and went through that curve too fast and rode in and into somebody's
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And I saw the car laying on its side when I went by going to this party and the wheels
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I didn't recognize the car.
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I got out and the people were in at the front door of their house, opened the door and
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looked out right when I walked up in the yard.
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So I was there within 60 seconds of it to happen.
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And I said, if you seem to person driving this car and they said, no, I said, you better
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It looks pretty bad.
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And I'd envision whoever was in that car because the car's laying on its side and the wheels
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The motor's running.
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Nobody's in the car.
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All the wind is broke out.
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So I walked back toward highway and that's where I found her.
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And she died right there, me opening her.
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And so I lived a long time stressed over that.
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Never could get over it.
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You know, her, you know, I should have been there.
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You know, it was my fault.
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And so I lived with that.
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Well that night coming home from the river with all of her wife's name was Dana.
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And that, that whole incident on the river on the way home, we approaching that dead man's
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car right over the spot where she was killed is this big thing, however, and right over
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I slammed on brakes.
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I saw it immediately where it was.
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And I wanted to get out and look at it up under it.
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I mean, it was right above us.
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It was just above this big, high-attentioned power line.
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Well, they were fighting me bad.
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They're not having none of this.
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And what I wanted to say was that, that at that moment, it spoke to me telepathically or
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And said, you need to not worry about her.
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She's in, she's in good hands.
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And so I take these guys home, right?
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I never told them this what happened.
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I only wrote about it years later.
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But that's when I got peace from the whole incident after 15 or 25, 30 years or 20 years
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I can't do the math.
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It was in 2007 where married in 82.
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I finally got peace from that.
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Everybody's terrorized by UFOs or lights.
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And I'm thinking about just relief from what.
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So I'm in a different world from them, right?
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And I still don't know what happened to me.
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I had no clue what happened for four hours.
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Couldn't believe it.
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So I dropped these guys off.
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Chris Jitter and I had back home.
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Now he's, I'm worried about him.
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He's going through the house, locking it down every room.
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He closed the door and locked even the bathroom.
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And he turned the lights on and ran.
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He ran up, shut the blind, turned off the lights and locked it off.
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I'm in my study looking on TV to try to find news.
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You know, it is an invasion happening.
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I couldn't find anything.
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So generally finally comes to the room and says,
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if you found anything, I said no sign.
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And then about that time, we hear something
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come over the house with its humming noise.
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I thought it was a helicopter because it was coming
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from Bragg's direction, which is only, you know,
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2015 miles from me from the base, 20 miles.
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And it's heading exactly towards the river.
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And suddenly every, once it goes out of hearing,
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every dog in our kennel started barking.
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And my dad raised dogs all his life.
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He had a hundred at the time when I'm growing up
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and even then he had 15 hounds in that kennel.
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And they're all, these old hounds got a loud mouth
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right in their barking as loud as they can.
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And what it sounded like was they were afraid.
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Their dogs can bark different sounds.
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And you can, you know, anybody knows hunting,
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knows what a dog say.
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I knew that was scary.
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They were seeing something that didn't know what it was.
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I said, jitter, only thing I could think of
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is where dad's kennel was is in the forest behind his house
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back in the head of woods.
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And he had a double car, separate garage next to the kennel.
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So the dogs could see the kennel.
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I thought somebody had come from the road
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and wrote what was breaking into his shop.
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And that was what was going on in my head.
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And jitter was like, we're not going out there.
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I said, dad, I said, a jitter will use a flat.
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We won't use a flashlight.
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We'll sneak down in there and we use Rosie
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at a 110 pound Chesapeake Bay retriever
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sitting on the back steps.
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And her hair was standing up.
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She's watching towards the kennel in the woods.
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And there's all full racket, right?
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And I finally convinced him to go with me
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or stay with you every wanted.
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And he was scared to be by himself.
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He grabbed me by the back of the shirt
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and I'm walking real slow.
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I walked out the door and Rosie took off toward the kennel
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We walked across the lawn to a two-room road
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went down in the woods, got to the back of that kennel.
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And now all these dogs, and imagine they're very loud
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and we're standing there looking at 15 hounds
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in a kennel barking as hard as they can
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towards the woods in the back.
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These dogs should be looking toward the grass.
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And I'm whispering to the generator,
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Rosie's right there in front of us pointing
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into his hair standing up barking every breath.
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I said, gender, I said, it must be a bear.
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Dogs not scared to deer.
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But they will do this on a bear sometimes.
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This is sent, it gets scared.
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So I said, I'm going to put Rosie in on whatever's in there
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and she'll run them out.
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We're going to run back to the yard
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and go to the back of the property.
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We made a plan and we're going to hide behind this giant oak tree
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and hope we can cut her off before she runs through.
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So as soon as I bumped her on the butt,
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she jumped into woods and gendered and I took off running.
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We had to go to the end of that road, make a left
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in the yard and go to about 400 feet, 500 feet.
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To cut whatever's in there off.
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And I just knew it would be a bear or deer or something.
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So when I made the left turn,
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it was to grass was a little, now we got frost, right?
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It was cold that night.
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We're talking about them at clock now.
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He pulled a loose from me.
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So I thought I'd just pulled away from him when I slipped a little bit.
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But what happened was he had had enough.
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He took a right, went back to the house.
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I didn't know that though.
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I'm running to the back hordes out, can.
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Ran up to this big tree and I ran so hard, I was trying to be quiet.
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I'm trying to catch my breath so I'm pan.
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I'm trying to be quiet with it, right?
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And I stopped myself against the tree.
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And so I turned around after about a few seconds of stopping and painting.
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Dog's coming straight at me.
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He's coming through the forest.
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And I looked back and see if Chris General was going to come up.
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And when I did, there was a little,
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it's the same thing he described on the river.
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This little glowing being about Yeh Tal with the glowing red eye.
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And it was glowing in the color of the moon.
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It looked like a child.
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It looked like a four-year-old child about that size.
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It didn't look like a gray alien or none of that, but people report.
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It looked like a glowing little child.
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But the details, if shiny, this thing was glassy.
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The body looked like a glass on it.
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And about that time, when I turned back and saw it, it frightened me so bad that
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Every cell in my body went, oh my god, I'm dead.
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So I went toward the trees to turn around instead of where I was standing because I didn't want
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to get my clothes to toy.
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So I leaned into the tree and I turned and put my back to the tree.
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And I said, I surrender.
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I don't mean you harm.
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And it said to me in this thunderous voice, it said, you don't understand.
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I'm not here to hurt you.
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We're here to help you.
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About that time, Rosie comes on through and this thing vanishes in front of me and
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I walked up to the house, trying to figure out why it just happened and how not to tell
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Chris Junaer what I just saying because he didn't want that around him any longer.
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And next morning, when I get up, about 10 o'clock that day, I hadn't had my medication.
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And I'd been taking medication for 17 years for Crohn's.
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And if I missed it one day, it was, it was suffer time.
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Yeah, I take it every day.
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If I missed it today, the next three days, my system would get out of whack and it was more
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And I didn't feel the normal sickness that I normally had.
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I didn't feel the nausea.
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I didn't feel any of it.
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And I thought, this is weird.
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I've been living with this every day and now I don't feel it.
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And from that point forward, I never had another symptoms of Crohn's disease.
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It was completely gone.
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I've been to Chapel Hill University.
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I've had specialists check me out from top to bottom and there's no marker for Crohn's
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See, I come down with rheumatoid years later, 2009.
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And I've been treated since then from rheumatoid arthritis.
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And they thought it was the Crohn's that had come back.
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The Crohn's didn't come back as rheumatoid.
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There's no marker there.
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NRA was a different story.
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But most were short.
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That was the end of the January 7th initial encounter.
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Walking back to that house and trying to get my son settled down from the shock that he'd been through.
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And now I'm kind of, I'm in shock basically myself, but not because of seeing this stuff
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and trying to process it.
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It's not natural, it's not normal.
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What was your first conversation with your son afterwards?
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I said, son, I said, I believe they were angels.
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He said, no, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad, he couldn't even get it out.
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They were demonic entities.
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They said, no, they weren't, son, they were angels.
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So we battled that for months.
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And here's the thing.
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I mean, it never left.
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And to this day is still with me.
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And I mean, stronger today than it was back then.
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This is why the government has studied me.
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They've studied me more than any human and existence.
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From DIA, CIA, DOD, the Ministry of Defense in England,
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the CIA, Jim Simmy, they've enrolled the floor to my book.
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He's a director of operations for the CIA.
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John Alexander wrote the floor
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or introduction they both shared.
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We went through the longest time trying to convince him I did that it was positive.
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And he got worse for him because from that point forward,
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this is where I want to say, if I could say this word,
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this is where hell set in for me.
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Because I'm telling everybody, they put it in my head that night,
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that I had to tell the world.
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So I compared myself to Richard Dreyfus on closing counters at a third kind,
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where he was making the mashed potato devil's tower on his table.
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He was completely obsessed with this phenomena.
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All I wanted to do was tell everybody, well, that was the worst thing I did,
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because now the church comes down on.
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Your play on the demons.
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It's got to be demonic in it.
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It's like, no, it's not.
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Who was the first person you told?
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She came home a couple of days later.
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And of course, we had caught her and all.
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But as she goes, let me say, her family,
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are the, they brought the Pentecostal movement to North Carolina.
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They went to California.
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They were at Excuses Street.
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Her ancestors, they brought it back to Falcon, North Carolina, built the orphanage.
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So I had the weight of the whole conference only, not just some local church down the street.
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So there was a lot of power there.
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And other churches, too, local churches, my mother, my very religious lady,
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all at that time, they automatically resorted to us to devil, it's demonic.
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And I'm saying, but they healed me.
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And that wasn't what I experienced.
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And they got so bad that they tried to take my children from me.
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They wanted to divide my family.
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They were telling my kids that I'm playing with the devil.
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He's going to ruin them children.
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Somebody called Social Services on me.
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I had to deal with that.
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With the government to try to just keep my kids, right?
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So yeah, that started a really hard time.
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You had mentioned that the third object that appeared seemed to know your thoughts.
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What does that mean?
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These things can read your mind.
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They're connected to our thoughts.
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This is why one thing I can promise you, if you're a God-fearing man and you know the Bible,
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one thing that the church knows is they always preach.
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You hear it all the time.
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Only God can read your thoughts, only heaven, not that the devil can't read your thoughts, right?
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So this is something taught all Christians from early on.
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You know, the devil can whisper in your ear, but he can't read your mind.
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Well, they read your mind and they know every, they're connected to us.
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They're connected to our thoughts.
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They know your heart, they know your intentions, and somehow another's on.
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They have the ability to stop the timeline, to manifest things, to make things happen,
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and to, I've seen it a thousand times.
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People come to see the phenomenon with, many as 75 with man at the time and it appears.
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But there are certain people, if they're afraid, or if they're, if they're skeptical,
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that's, I can tell you, skeptical people about this phenomenon will never see anything.
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They're left out because if they know your free will, they don't want to change your,
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you know, go against your free will.
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But they can appear in a group of 50 people standing beside me,
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and that one skeptical person will look that way for one second and it'll appear in front of
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everybody else. I've seen it a thousand times. It knows how to, it knows where you're going to look
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before you look. Interesting. Yeah, seriously. You had mentioned, I believe you had two
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near-death experiences before the syncedom, at age 10, 10. I was shot, point blank, with a shotgun.
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Was that near-death experience?
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Well, it was New Year's Day, 1972. After hunting season, season that dawned out on the 31st.
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And so it was fixed the roads on Saturday and cook a hog. So we got all these men as part of the
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club, we're out preparing the roads and all the farm, right? And my grandfather and the farmer
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that owned the land was at the club, tending to the hog on the cook. So myself at 10 and my best
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friend and my first cousin grabbed shotgun and took off about a mile away, three quarters of a mile.
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We walked to the back of a cornfield and we spread out and we were going to shoot ducks, right? It's
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tough season. And this bird came over. My neighbor, he shot at it and missed it, came right over and I
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shot it and it turned and it went away and landed in the woods. I knew I'd hit it. So I took off
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across the field, walking a double-birl shotgun in my hand. I walked up to the edge of the woods and
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I saw them in their inner poly briars, fluttering around. I thought I better put a shell in my gun.
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In case it gets up and flies away. So I've cracked that double-birl open and I pulled two shells
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out of my coat and I put one in and dropped the other. I did not know that my friend wanted to
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claim that he shot the bird, right? And ran across the field behind me. I didn't know he was there.
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ran up right behind me and when I reached over to pick that shell off, he was going to shoot over
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him and he'd shoot that bird claim. Kids, when I stood up, it hit me right square and right here in
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the shoulder, blew a hole this big. I have a scar that big on my back. Now imagine a 10-year-old,
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I was only this tall. It felt like a sledgehammer hit me. It drove me about 10 feet forward and
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faced down in the forest. And the first thing I felt blood running everywhere. And I said,
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why did you shoot me? And now my cousins come across the field and they're fighting. They're screaming
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at one another. Go get help. He's my cousin. I'm staying with him. He's my best friend. I almost
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said, that's what they were doing. I'm laying there bleeding at it. And so the farmer heard them
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fighting. And here he comes down that cornfield. An old pickup truck. It was blue and white
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forward from the 60s. And he runs in the woods, picks me up like a sack of potatoes and threw me in his truck.
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I told him to take me to the hospital. Next day I know I'm up in his space looking down
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from way up high. I can see the earth getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And then I wake up.
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And I'm in out of surgery. I'm in an x-ray room back then. I had so much lead in me from
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bird shot that I still have 17 pieces in here. You can see it on this side, all in the shoulder
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in this front. And I set airport, x-ray machine, I'll still pat me down most every time I go through
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the calls of that. But all I remember is seeing the earth from above and being out of my body
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in total peace. I wasn't cold. I wasn't afraid. I was just at a marvel looking at all this. And then
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when I came back to, there's my mom looking through the window crying. What about the, what was the
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other one you had too much medication for the Crohn's disease? Well, I'll tell what they did. And this
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is in the book. There's a whole lot in this book. I've not covered. I've glossed over.
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Along about 2004, my Crohn's was so bad. I mean, it was in bad shape. And I was in such depression
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because I'd lost $8.19 million in savings and network gone. I've sold every apartment building or
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house I had rentals. That a lot of just to pay interest. And we sold the business to a really
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big builder from North Carolina. It builds 1,500 homes a year. And my doctor is trading me. He's like,
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he would just hug me and cry out with me. It's what he'd been friends forever.
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He said, I'm sorry for getting emotional here. He's thinking back. This is his heart.
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Today, it's wonderful. Joyful. It's a different world today, but there's old memories or tough.
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He said, look, there's a new study out. There's this anti-depressant medicine called Paxle that
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supposed to show help for Crohn's because stomach problems are exacerbated from stress. The more
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you worry, the worse it gets. And I was so bad that my whole inside was inflamed and was very painful
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and so he puts me on Paxle. He tells me I should probably have somebody to talk to. He sends me to a
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psychiatrist, right? Never thought about anything like that. I was embarrassed to go, but he convinced me
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he needed to do this. I go to the psychiatrist and I thought it was odd when I walked in his room.
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He was smoking a cigarette and laughing and talking to me. He only spent five minutes with me. He
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looks at my paperwork and what the doctor prescribed. He said, oh, you're on all wrong stuff.
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He didn't take me off that. He added more toy. He just added a couple prescriptions. He said,
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take this and come back five days or next week, it's seven days, every week. I had to go back once a week.
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And within 60 days, I didn't know who I was. And I had gone into, I was unconscious.
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And what he did, he had put me on something called lithium. I didn't know what it was. I didn't know
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even what the script was. He didn't tell me that's what it was. He just wrote these prescriptions.
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And the thing when you take that, you're supposed to test your liver for metals and all your
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system, your organs can fail because of toxic metal poisoning. Well, that's what happened to me.
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I woke up in the hospital. I was laying on a stretcher completely covered from head to toe.
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And I come up out of my body and I was at the saline and I could see down my wife sitting there.
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Three doctors walked into the room and she was crying. And I never forget I heard a doctor's name,
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which I won't say it now because of his privacy. But the guy said, good evening, doctor.
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This is the 113 patient that this physician has injured or put in the hospital.
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Come to find out the guy that was treating me had gone off the deep end and was taken as
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taking medication himself. I don't know what he was taking, but he overdosed and died while I was in
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the hospital. He'd put 113 patients of his in hospital and overdosed and died.
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This has happened. This is in the book. And in a while, it's like getting shot. I didn't want that.
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I didn't ask for it. It just happened. Now here it is. Somebody else is a, this poisoning or
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it was always, it just seems like everything that's happened to me has been out of my hands.
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I mean, there's a lot in this book that I've been through from third degree burns, catching on
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fire when I was two years old. I have big scars up my legs. So a brand new friend's them in 79
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blew up, 2000 miles in the radiator. It overheated and the radiator exploded and put me in the hospital
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with third degree burns from my neck out to this arm. I had skin grafts, a brand new car. So I
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thought all my life, something's trying to keep me from being here or keep me from doing something
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so the near death experience was you witnessing the conversation between the doctor and your wife.
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Anything else? That's all I remember. It was, and then you're back in my body and miserable now,
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recovering. Yeah. All right, Chris, well, let's take a quick break and then we'll move on to what
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happened afterwards. Okay. Yeah.
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enroll for free. Hillsdale.edu slash SRS. All right, Chris, we just went into the event
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and what happened there? Thank you for the very descriptive event. I was hoping, like I said,
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I shouldn't say it was hoping. I was wondering if anything had happened in those near-death
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experiences that might relate to this, but it doesn't sound like there was really anything that
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related to this. It all relates. It does. It all relates to it. In fact, I believe that
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when I was 10 years old, when that happened to me, it was so traumatic. I grew up with a gun in my
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hand. I was old. It was just part of being where I was raised. 10 years old, I'm getting a gun
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and got shot. My whole life changed to a different perspective. I didn't realize it until this event
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happened in 2007, but I can look back. I write about this in the book. A lot of things, in other words,
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I began to see after this doctor poisoned me the second time. The weirdest thing happened.
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My family all of them can tell you. I would be setting in my kitchen, and this is after,
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right after the thing in the hospital. I was seeing things that my family couldn't see in my house.
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I'd tell them. They thought I was going nuts. They thought I was still on drugs, but I had
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completely gotten off all that. It took a long time to get back to where I felt halfway normal.
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But I could see things. What things? I could see this little being in the house. You walked by,
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and I'd tell them. They were filming me. They couldn't see it. I know it opened something up
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on me. Who was filming? My wife and kids would film me talking about what I'd see in the house.
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This little being, it would be about this tall. It looked like Gizu, you might say, from
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Fred Blinstahl. He could hover in the house. I began to wonder am I going crazy at my seeing
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things. Did it look human? Yeah. It sure did. Did you interact with them? I did. I'd be talking to it.
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Even had a name for Johnny is what I called it. My kids were saying they were laughed. They thought
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I was completely, but I'd just come out of the hospital too, and I was able to dedicate.
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But I knew that opened me up to the spiritual world, to the other side. What would you
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interact with the being of out? We'd have conversations. He was always watching over me,
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protecting me. I was like, who are you talking to?
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Do you remember any of the conversations specifically? Are there any conversations that stick out?
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Not in detail. Other than it, I knew it was there watching over me. It wasn't a scary thing. It
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wasn't like it was there to harm anybody. It was there to get me through what had just happened.
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It was attacking me. What would the conversations be about?
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It was always positive about healing and reinforcement that I was going to be all right,
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because I'd just come through it near death. That eventually faded away after a few months,
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and I stopped seeing it, but it was always there, and it was very real to me.
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It later showed up after 2007. This was in 04 and 05. 07, when this thing happened,
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and I'd take something else too. This was really weird. 05, we were forced to move,
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because we'd sold out and lost everything, given from a big house to a mobile home.
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We were having Thanksgiving dinner at my mom's. We built the new house.
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We were at the mobile home. We pre-stored it. It was an old one I had as a rental property.
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I moved it on their lot next door out in the country beside Mom and Dad. It was Thanksgiving day,
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night, and my whole family was there from sisters to everybody, right? I guess it was 9 o'clock at
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night, 9.30. A couple of the guys smoking went outside to smoke, and eventually I went outside to
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conversation, and we looked right over to where we were going to set the mobile home. Before we even
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put it there, there is a football field along glowing cigar, maybe two-odd feet above the lot,
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right over top of the trees. It was barely meven, and my kids, myself, my mother, all of us
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watched it. You could walk beside it. It was so slow, no sound. It really didn't register with me
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at that time, but that was before the river event. So with the being, how would it converse back
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with you? It's, well, the first couple of times I could hear it audible speaking, but it didn't
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move its mouth. It's like you could hear it. Was it English? Yeah. Very deep voice, very loud.
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But now today is more telepathic. It's images. And we've proven that,
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that on television, on the history channel, that's my brain is communicating with this phenomenon.
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What, could you be a little more descriptive of what the being looked like?
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Yeah, it looked like a four-year-old child. A four-year-old?
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Four-year-old. About like a three-four-year-old, a toddler, not much more than three-peat tall,
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glowing softly like the color of the moon with these red eyes, and it had a triangle.
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It was shaped underneath that it was glowing, gleaming from head to toe. They had this triangle
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on its chest right here. And that turned out to be a pretty big symbol for some people in the
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government. What is that symbol? Well, there's one right here from NASA. That's a triangle
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on that being. I wonder how I got that. There were the first ones that come wanting to know about
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that little being, trying to go on its chest. Interesting. Yeah. Did it work clothing?
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It was gleaming so bright. It had something on, but it looked like the outer layer of it was just
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glossy gleaming brilliant. And there's a description at Daniel Gain, chapter 10,
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in the Bible where he describes an angelic being that his encounter, and he says it was,
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his body was gleaming like topiz, and it had porches, fire, red glowing eyes.
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This is Daniel's description straight out of the Bible, and it was given to me by scholars to read.
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Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. How many times, I mean, now, and I've got a lot of questions.
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How many interactions a day would you have with this? Well, I say today is more than ever.
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Today it's gotten to where, let's say at that time back then, after it happened, after the initial
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encounter, and all my kids come home. And I'm being told not to talk about it because it was scary,
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and it was, they had my wife leaving it's demonic. And for a long time, which is understandable
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when you're raising a church, you know, they all say this is demonic. Well, they don't know. They
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have no clue. Nobody does. I'm telling you, not even the Pope, they don't know. Everybody imagines
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what's out there speculates. But until you see it and you interact with it, you're speculating,
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you're questioning, but it immediately followed me home. And these orbs would appear, a ball of light
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flash, and outstep these shadowy figures, and they would walk through the house and walk through walls.
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It looks like a human, same size and all. This is, this is before, now this is right after the event,
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2007. Let's try to just, let's just keep it before the event for right now. Okay. And so
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did I have hair? I didn't see any hair. It just, there's so much gleaming there. It's hard to get
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the detail, the brightness of this thing standing four feet away. I could see its eyes because they
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were red, right, and they were glowing and it's trying to shape. I actually drew it and painted it in 2009.
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But they're, they're of, to just little glowing, glowing little entities. And these are the same type of
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eyes that you saw at the river. Yes. Yes. What my son described. Now the being that I was telling you
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about when I come out the hospital for a few months there, I kept seeing this little being. It didn't
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have red eyes. It looked like a person, a little small person, but it floated about it. Okay,
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that's what I was referring to. So the, so Johnny, Johnny, he looked like a little person.
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There's a little, and he had a triangle. No. The one and the river that that scared Chris Jr.
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in 2007. The one that night that I saw was, this looked like Johnny. Johnny looked like a,
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this glowing, so bright that the detail is hard to say. So I'm talking about Johnny, right.
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Johnny, so Johnny was not glowing. It looked like a little, a, a small person, but it didn't look.
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Could you differentiate between a regular three year old, four year old child and yes,
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yes, because it seemed to be grown for an adult, but small. It spoke like an adult. It interacted
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with me like an adult, but that didn't last long. This was after all this medication,
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a doctor put me on. So what, what did you think that was? I thought it was a guardian angel.
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Right away. You thought it was a guardian angel, and the entire family's stuff that it was
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demonic. Not then. They didn't say anything. They just were listening and filming. This was
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in a five. What were they filming me ever recording interacting with interacting? Yeah. So,
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can I have access to any of that film? I had to get my wife to dig it up, but she has a lot of
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stuff she recorded. All my kids after the event on the river. So what does that, what do those
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films look like? Does that look like you interacting with thin air? Well, yes, probably some of them,
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yeah, I'm sure. I would love to get some of that footage of possible. And,
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I would see. Insert it. I would see if she can do that. How many? Ryan, sorry, you're in the,
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you're now on the Sean Ryan show. Have you seen these films? I was there. What, I mean, what did it
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look like? What does it look like to see your dad interacting with thinner? I was 10 years old,
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so I understood it the way that my mother explained it to me, which was that he was, you know, going
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off the deep end. So, we just thought it was funny. Like, oh, he's on medicine. He's
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hallucinating. And we, I don't know. I mean, I can't really understand what's happening when
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you're 10. So I just kind of laughed, you know, they all thought I was nuts. And rightly, I had been
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over-medicated and still, but that medication opened me up to something that two years later came
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out of the sky and took me. We'll get there. Yeah. What about this being made you think that it
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was a guardian angel and that it had your best, best interest? The way it was talking to me,
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it was there. It told me it was there to protect me. It was watching over me and that I was going
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to be fine. You know, I just come through a hard time and I'm still sick. I'm still with
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Crohn's. I'm still really bad shape. And, and then you got shot with basically like shot with a
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gun with this medication. And I'm still sick. And now I've got this to deal with. And, yeah,
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did you ever try to make contact like physically touched? I never did. You never did. It would be
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brief. It would appear and it won't be there long. It would be there, you know, just a little bit.
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It's a few seconds or long enough to maybe have you a minute and then it was gone. It would just
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vanish in front of me. And they all thought, and rightly so that I had lost my mind. Now this just
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didn't happen. And this exacerbated the 2007, two years later, when I come home talking about it,
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my wife's like, he's still lost it. He's not, he's gone crazy. And the whole community said,
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he's crazy. And then when everybody started experiencing it with me in the family, now it's
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demonic. It's really happening to this guy, but he's bringing a devil into his house. This is what
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we're ended up. When did it disappear for good before the incident? Within six months, maybe
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late 2005, I'd say is when it ended, I didn't see it anymore. And then a year later, remember,
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I'm on the river. And that's when it come out of the sky. And that's when it healed me and said,
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we're not here to hurt you. We're here to help you. Did you respond to that? Yeah. What did you say?
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Well, I didn't really speak other than I surrender. I'm sorry. I don't mean you any harm. And it's
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telling me this in my head. And I felt the greatest joy and the sense of relief that I understood now
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the more fear. And that's why I immediately, when I reported it, I knew it was the same in
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Jellic beings, but it didn't look like this little being I'd seen two years prior. But I related it
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all in the same thing. There's a lot of different things that can appear around you. It can
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appear anyway it wants to. So after the incident, when you described this to your family,
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did they put two and two together? This has happened not this exact thing, but he's
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that you had been in contact with some type of being before. Yeah, they thought I was first off,
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they didn't want to believe me. And now you have another family member, your son, who also
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experienced it. Yeah, that's cooperating. And they still tried to think this can't be true,
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it just can't be true. And that's what was making me some emotional about Chris Turner. He struggled
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so hard. And he comes home telling what he saw and nobody wanted to believe him. They're just like,
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he's crazy like his dad. Yeah, I run an 18 million dollar, 20 million dollar, you're a company.
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And I've went through a terrible time with sickness and a doctor and I come out there on the
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side, not now I'm crazy, right? Disguised crazy. And so the whole community basically
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started mocking my family. And this is after the 07 incident. And it turned into five years of what I
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call in the book, five years of darkness from 27 to 2012. When that 2012 game, everything changed.
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Who did you contact about this incident with afterwards? Well, I didn't. For the first
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10 months because of me when I came home and I just told this immediately, my wife trying to
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to keep peace in the family and her little whole world right now. Chris just come home telling this
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big tale and got jinners who telling it with him. And nobody wanted to believe it. My dad made
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fun. He must be on drugs, still on drugs. You know, I was only on medication and the doctor gave me
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won't drink an alcohol. None of that. And here everybody started that. And then with a few months or
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weeks, my wife would take the kids out to see her mom or go to church. I wouldn't go into church
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anymore. I met home in my study in complete depression because nobody to believe me what happened.
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And now nobody's believing my son pushed us away from the church. But she would be in town coming
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home and kids running the door. Oh my God, dad, you won't believe what we saw in the way home. There
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was a big triangle thing in front of the car flying right down into front of us, you know, following
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us home. So now my kids are coming home and I just set back not smile. Thank you. Thank you, Lord,
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because I was praying every day. Lord, let my family, let my children experience what I did. So at
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least they would believe me. And I'll never forget. And I'll tell you the minute what my wife said
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when the first investigator found who, who did you call in October. This was in January when it
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happened. 10 months later, October, I saw on the television a show called UFO files. And there
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was this by Staten Freeman, a physicist on there. And he's talking about UFOs. I'd never seen any of
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those shows. And it come across, report your sighting to move on. So I quickly got their email address
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and I wrote them. What is move on Stanford? The mutual UFO network is where is a data, so investigation
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okay, saying that people report sightings to and a pretty big outfit international right. So
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that's to go to if you have a sighting, you go to move on. I'd never heard of until I saw it on
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TV. So I made the report and I was so afraid to send it that I didn't send it for two weeks because
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I just knew if I did, I'd lose my family. I was told never to talk about it again. Well, I didn't
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know what happened to me for two, for four hours. If I tried to think about it, I would pass out.
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If my family would see it, if you sort of question me and I try to think, I'd pass out. And so
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I sent it two weeks later, it was the 13th October. And immediately they wrote me back,
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oh, we want to talk to you. Well, I got scared. I said, nah, this is too real now. I don't want to
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lose my family. So I told them, nah, I just wanted to just report it, but I don't want to interview.
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January comes along. They write me again. We're going to close the case, but we really want to talk to
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about then it's been a year now. I can't function. My head had some kind of block
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and I couldn't think at all. And so I said, okay. And in February, they sent some, I got from
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a local investigator from Raleigh, worked her own, and he came in there and asked when my wife said,
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you ever heard of, well, what do you know about shadow being? And people, now we've never
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talked about the UFO thing, but she'd been seeing these in the house and got shoved a couple of
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times just to get her attention. I was praying every day, Lord, let her say it and she let the
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men say don't ever pray for me like that again. So, but it was in the house. It was interacting with
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the kids orbs over the house outside, but I can never share it with anyone except my immediate
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family. So at this point, the entire family is with the whole family. My three, four children,
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a daughter, she was 10 years old then, Ryan was 13. Jeremy, he was 15, Christian was 17,
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Emily, she's the only girl, he's the baby. And now they're being told by the church, your dad is
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dealing with demons, well, and they didn't want to believe it because they were seeing it with me.
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So it was a horrible place to be when the whole community come down on us there.
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And it continued for five years, but what happened was the community didn't let up,
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the church didn't let up. And I don't mean just my wife's side about all the churches around,
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even the original ones, the people were talking and the boys that were with me, their children were
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catching a fit. Let me back up. In 2007, I reported it, 2008, the investigator calm, and immediately
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they saw me on doing a show on Discovery Channel. You got to do it, we'll vindicate you. You do
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this show, everybody will believe you. So I agreed to it. I had a big junior to take,
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participate. Well, they did their show. And immediately they set me up, they set me up to,
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they were coming to my house to do an interview and called me, can you come to the hotel and
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sign all the paperwork, and then we're going to go from there. Well, when I got in that hotel,
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they had a guy from the FBI there with a lot of technical things set up and cameras pointing at it,
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completely. I did 34 questions for two hours, they just over and over and over. And then on the show,
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they called me, they said he was lying about seeing an entity. Now things got really bad,
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the whole community, and now the school, my children's school. They're being made fun of,
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they're dads crazy, they're laughing at my kids, it nearly ruined my voice. They were all,
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you know, thickened girls dating. Now everybody's laughing at them in the hallways, calling them out
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in the school class and making them tell the stories. And so five years goes by of that of pure
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nightmare, but NASA shows up a friend from NASA, Dr. Hal Pog and my friend. Well, he's a friend,
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he's like a, he wasn't a friend then. No, I don't know him. In fact, my son Ryan calls me death.
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There's somebody here from NASA. He wants to talk to you. I still would tell him to stick around.
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I'd be home by the hour, six foot five. Huge man. We were afraid of the government. So bad,
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because move on. And the UFO world said the men in black was on TV then. They'll kill you. The
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government will kill you. Don't ever talk to, you know, different ones, the names they would use.
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And so now we're terrified. The government's stocking on the door. He comes in and
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he became my father figure to my children. And he died in 2019. He'd been to my daughters and
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my children's birthdays. He would come from Cape Canaveral all the way down to the piano recitals.
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They're graduations, they're birthdays. And we've become best friends. And he's, they studied
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me. And on about 2012, 13, another guy comes from. What was the initial guy's name?
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I thought Dr. Hal Pog and my. He, he was at NASA 59 years when he died. What were they studying?
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First off, he wanted to know about that little glow and being and we're going to triangle on his
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chest. And he first, when he first came, his mission, he told us, I'm mission was to debunk you.
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So he came and initially met us. Then he left on his own and we didn't know where you went
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back home, but he didn't. He was searching records from the Sheriff's Department to the FAA,
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to knocking on every door in that community out there asking, did you see something?
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And he found out that eight other people that night all witnessed it, flied over to houses and
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stuff. One guy was seven years old sitting on his front porch and it went 20 feet over his house.
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And so how new then that this was real? And he, he, he, he became like a father figure. He
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would come and entertain my kids more and he would make it because they were, he's just that kind of
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guy. And so all throughout the five years after it had been happened, how was the one there?
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There were other military people calling from the Air Force sending letters, wanting me to
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interview, wanting me to draw pictures and all this stuff. And I would just stay away from it.
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I was still scared of how I had known this guy was yet. It's just five years into it.
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But we love, my kids loved him, but I'm still, you know, who is he?
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And so in 2012 at Easter of 2012, this is when everything changed. This is really what got
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the US government knocking on my door. This is where why I'm here today.
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2012 Saturday night Easter, Sunday mornings Easter right. At three o'clock in the morning. So it's
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actually Easter Sunday morning, three o'clock in the morning. I'm asleep in the bed, dead asleep.
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That night before I had had all I could stand and see my kids coming home crying and the
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whole community making fun of the family and my dad. And now they've been experiencing this stuff.
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They know it's happening, but they couldn't contest adults right. They wouldn't talk back.
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New better. But it was, it really, my little girl coming home crying from people picking on her.
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So I walked outside that night. And then remember I had this desire to tell it to everybody.
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I had to tell it. It's like the Richard Drifor's closing counter thing. So I walked outside that night.
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And I'm 30 and I looked up to the sky and I said, thank you for ruining my life. My children.
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I said, thank you for healing me and proven to my family that you're real, but this
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life is worse off now from my whole family. I'm better physically, but now my family is in
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shambles, all cause of me. And I shouted it to the heavens. And I see these things. They're coming.
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You know, these orbs are always around. And I knew it heard me. I knew it was, so I went to bed.
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Through a clock in the morning, I hear the same voice, the same little being that's sputting me and
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she said, I'm here to help you. Not hurt you. I heard that same voice. And it's something like a man
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really deep. And it said a rise. That's all I heard that quick word a rise. And it was so deep.
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It was like thunder in my room. I jumped up from laying in the bed, delicately to sit in
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my bed and it's dark. I can't see. And there was three o'clock on my other back then we had a
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clock alarm clock. And it said three a.m. Next thing I know I see movement in the room, whatever they
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did to me. It caused me to get dressed and follow out the door. Now I'm outside and I'm walking
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towards the dog kennel at three o'clock in the morning, fully dressed clothes from being asleep.
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And suddenly this figure hands me something. As far out as this sounds, I'm telling you, this sounds
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crazy. It took me two weeks to tell it because I'm they all live in the crazy end. And I
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stopped talking about it. Now five years later, this happens. And what happened was it handed me
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this object. And it felt like a living creature, like a squirrel maybe or or something that size.
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But I couldn't see if you'll legs or head. It felt just like a tube, but furry and kind of prickly.
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And it said, it handed to me and said, you must keep this.
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Immediately I drop it because I know what it was and it was prickly. And this words came again. Now
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you must pick this up. You must keep this. So I reached down and pick it up when I did this
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being that was standing there's now gone. And I'm at the dog kennel. So I'm juggling at my hand.
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I know I need to see what this thing is. It's dark so I can kennel put it in and close it or
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in the very second I did that. It's blasted air come directed it wasn't in the woods and around us.
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It was right straight in front of me. A blast air hits me and blew me over the wind.
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Later on, I understood the Holy Spirit. The word spirit means the wind. The Holy Spirit means
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to breath the God. So I had to put this in there. But it was the wind. A physical force blew me
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over. And as I hit backwards on the ground, I saw what appeared to be a translucent cow, a bull
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run over me. And I could see stars inside of it up through it. That's what they had handed you.
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Well, what handed me I put in the kennel when I locked the door or closed the door now,
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a blast air next to the woods hits me and out of that wind when the wind hit me and blew me
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over with that wind was a translucent cow or bull. A big one went over me and it didn't hurt me.
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But I can see it clearly. I can see the stars inside. This is really strange because I just
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I'll get stuff really strange. I'll get back to this in a minute, right?
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Of something I just saw discovered with a guy that studies Egypt, Dr. Robert Grant.
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He discovered that bull inside the King's Chamber. There's never been a inscription in that pyramid
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nowhere. He goes in with Leidar and there's that bull, Celesteal Bull, with stars inside of it. He and I
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just worked this thing out. He'd seen it. He shared it with me. And when I told him what happened to me,
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he got some other clues out of that. But it was exactly what I saw. But now listen, when the bull went
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over, I land on my back and I'm getting up the run. So I roll over now and look in this way. And
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behind me is no cow anymore. There's a woman there. She's about three feet off the ground. She's
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glowing. She's just color the moon. There's a circle of light on the ground. And she looks at me and
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she says, you know what I'm here. And I knew I was crushed basically because I had this other woman
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desire to tell the world what I'd seen. And then that night I cursed at the heavens and said,
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I'm never doing that. I'll never speak again. And now she's like, you know what I'm here?
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This is your burden. You must bear. She said that. She said, if you would tell this story,
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I'll always be with you. I'll allow you to share our presence with others and film us.
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So help me. I never had a picture of anything for the previous five years. Only inside the house
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when people see this or out in my children. Now everybody's coming to the house and it appears
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over here. It appears around us. And it's greater today than it was then. And magic started happening.
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And when that word got out, then comes, this is government. They want to know about this lady.
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Let's pause right there. I have questions. Okay. So the initial, what was,
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what was it that you were handed? I've heard I've been asked that a million times. I don't know.
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It was like a living creature. It was living. It was moving around. It was, but it had no head or legs.
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It felt like if you had a squirrel in your hand or hedgehog at prickly, it felt like it was living,
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but it had no head or tail. And I asked the lady what this was. And she taught me it was a
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symbolic of humanity. It had lost its direction. And no head or no tail. It completely lost its
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direction. And it vanished when I went back. Right on the money with that.
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Exactly. And she told me a lot of stuff that I never revealed to this day. I haven't
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revealed a whole lot of it because I don't want to sound like a prophet or any of that. I just don't.
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My goal is to share this story with everyone and share the phenomena which I have been able to
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do. What did the figure look like that handed you the object? It was a shadowy being like a shadow
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being. So when you see these, you see this shadow of a human figure, but you can't really see
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the details. It's like a shadow. It's like a ghost, you might say. And I have pictures of
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I have pictures of these little beings and they look like ghosts. I have a picture. I have a video
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of one of these beings coming out of an orb. Flash in it. Can I see them video? Yeah.
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Yeah. I'll give you one. It's six foot tall, seven foot tall. And when it did that night, a young
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lady with me was healed from cancer. This happened in 2050. But what did the bull represent? Do
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you think I had a clue? Remedior. You worked with Robert Grant? Robert Grant is who I was with
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less in contact with Dazard a couple months back. And Robert was showing the oculus to me about
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what he had discovered in the pyramid. So he put these goggles on and he does his slide off.
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And their biggest daylight is a bull on the side of the wall in the King's chamber. It only
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can see it what this technology has and the stars are inside. And above it is a helix, a DNA.
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And then only stercophagus in the King's chamber is the alpha and a mega symbol.
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What do you think that represents? Well, apagome mega is a god beginning in the end. The bull
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is the celestial bull. To me is to me the lady that came to me is the Holy Spirit.
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The breath of God, the wind, the Virgin Mary of Hathor, Demetia, Tiana,
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Probadi, and every culture on every continent, they all have a mother figure, all of them,
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including the Egyptians. They believe in the Trinity. You read the Egyptian stuff. It was
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in the beginning it was pitta, it was the father, Met was the mother. And then they had a change to
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raw and then hathor and then horse. It's just sort of an eternity. They have a triad.
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And I think that the lady, the women, the feminine was taken out of the equation
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by a bunch of men in 2000 years ago and oppressed all the women, kicked them out and said,
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you can't be in the church. Only it's only a boy's club, right? And so from that point forward,
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the women have been oppressed. They made to wear things over their face and head. And
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even up in the 60s and 70s, me growing up there was a great oppression on the women.
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But I just, that's my belief. And you know, it doesn't matter. And Christianity or in any religion,
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none of us really know. So, and so how did the, how did the government get involved?
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And what is it, let me rephrase that, what is the, what is it that caught the government's attention?
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Okay. So now this happens at Easter of 2012.
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Let me ask another quote. I'm sorry. Do you think there's any significance to this happening
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on Easter? 100%. And what is that? Well, you tell me what Easter means. And the resurrection.
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Every year, every year at Easter, either she comes back or something miraculous happens.
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Every year at Easter. Every year, Sunstown. And it's all.
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Every year, since then, every year, including this year, and my son Ryan and his wife
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and my grandson Teddy. Of course, my wife was a little bit scared. She turned her head and ran
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in the house. But we all got to experience it this year. And exactly when I told him that 830
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it's going to appear. And we ran to the restaurant to eat and I'm fussing. We got to be home.
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We got to be home by 830. And when we drove up in the yard, it was 830. When I opened the door,
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it appeared behind the car. And here it comes. This big glowing, blue-ish white ball of light through
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the forest going in and out of the trees. It was approaching. I said, my wife freaked out, ran in the
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house. But it's always something like that miraculous on Easter. And it just feeds more into my
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understanding of the phenomenon, the whole thing. She always comes in threes. Not always, but it's
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overwhelming. Three is very meaningful in this. Three. Now, thumbed it over and over three
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orbs together. They'll line up like a triangle. They'll plot through the sky. I said,
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well, if I did not give you a video of that, they have multiple videos of that. It's always
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showing that symbol of three. Now, what is it that caught the government's attention?
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So, one of the things that did is in October of 2013. I get a call from a professor moment
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about a religious scholar, very famous. He's written several books and he'd probably know
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her for his surname, Dr. Diana Pasaka. She lived, I don't have for me. And she was given 2,000 reports
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by Muthan to investigate why 2,000 people reported angels and jealous beings that year. They were
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seeing these. Now, you don't ever hear about the bad stuff. You only ever hear about somebody
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being on a table with multiple instruments and all this stuff, you know, abduction to bad. But
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overwhelmingly, 95% of all of it people come away with angelic versus their experiences
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is heavenly. That's one of the things that you will never hear about. But,
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October, I walked outside. I was a smoker then. I was watching TV with my wife. I paused
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the TV at 930. I swam and go out and smoke. So, I walked out on the back patio. She comes
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out a few minutes later and out in the back of our property about a hundred yards back in the
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dark. Of sudden, we see barks come from the ground and go up in the air. And she said, what's up
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with that tree? I said, I don't know what I see it. Suddenly, it rained for two days. Ground was
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wet. This tree rubs into flames and goes shooting fire 13, 14 feet up in the air, burnt whole
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inside it. It burnt from the inside out. Well, that got the attention of government.
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And, you know, how was there? And now this other player from NASA wants to come see this tree.
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And he's code names to drag it. He runs all the launches for the NASA. He's the head guy. He's
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National Reconnaissance Office. So, that got me involved in our next thing I'm in,
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kept canarble, sitting with these guys, half a dozen of them. And that expands into a whole lot more.
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You know, now I'm dealing with two people from NASA. And this gets into medical study,
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stem cell research. And that happened a year later. And what, and I'll tell you what got me there.
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Here's really what got the attention of the government. They heard about the tree. They all
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wanted to come see it and they started. But I get a phone call in early 23rd Easter, Easter of 2013.
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I write about the whole experience of my book. I'm, I have an experience with the lady again.
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Two weeks later, this journalist comes from Canada. He calls me. I want to come see that burning tree.
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He'd heard about it. He's heading to Florida. So he stops by on the way. While they're right alone,
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95 stays the night. Goes, Florida and he comes back. Comes again. He wants to see more of the
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tree and get more story. So my kids are all home. It's five o'clock in the afternoon. He drives up
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the driveway. He pulls up, gets out with his camera. No clothes, no bags. He just gets out. He wants
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to go see this tree and film it before dark. He's out there to tree. I'm with him. There's a lab
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door. A dog is a, a, a, nearly full grown female. They're never side us everywhere. I'd walk,
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she'd walk. We get back to the house. We stopped just short of the door. And Nelly stops. And she's
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lying there and grating. I were talking, you know, just glad to see one another. And I'm like,
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you want to stay tonight. I get kids to get your bags. And they were all out there. It was six or
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eight more people outside. He said, yeah, that'd be, I'd love that. So he's between me and the back door.
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The house is open. The back door is open and windows. It was in May. It was May the 11th or May the 5th.
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It's only two weeks after Easter. Nelly stands up and starts towards the door when grant turns.
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And when she walks by, and I see blood come out of her neck. And it's shot way out like a stream of blood.
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And it's like freaked out and grant saw it. And she sprayed blood all over his pants when she
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went by. And she ran in the back door, bleeding, bleeding all over the floor. And I ran and
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tackled her and took her outside the letter on the concrete. And I was going through my head.
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Oh my God. And grants filming this for my bulb. And all my kids were gathered around. And she's
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got a hole inside of her neck, crossed her jugular vein that long. And I could stick my finger
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at that date and blood just shooting out in a heartbeat. And I had my hand on it. Blood coming up
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through my fingers there. And I knew, I knew she was going to die. There were 30 minutes from
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of that about the country. No, I couldn't call it ambulance. I went through all this in my head.
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I said, she's going to die. And everybody's freaked out. And I just looked up to the heavens. I said,
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Lord, help her. She went limp. And so I picked my hand up and that hole was gone. Everybody saw
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disappeared perfectly like nothing had happened. She stood up. When I go to tell him walk away,
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he filmed it all. And it didn't take long that word got out. Next thing, I get a call from somebody
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who's connected to CIA. And he says, what are you doing this week? What are you doing tomorrow?
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I said, this is 2014. I said, she lost fourth, stridey the days a second. My kids are coming home
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from college. We're going to have a party, you know, for a family. He said, well, I need you in DC.
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I said DC. He said, yeah, there's a young boy up there that's really sick.
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And they've lost, they've tried everything they can to help him. And he's got to make a wish.
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In fact, Barack Obama gave him his make a wish. And we have all the photos of him shaking
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Barack Obama's hand. Michael Morrell, deputy director of CIA, put him in his book, wrote about him.
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So you can imagine this young boy is in the midst of all these power brokers in Washington.
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And his mom's a doctor, his grandpa's a cardiologist in New York. And they spelled it as they were out
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of options. And so I agreed to go. He flew me up there, picked me up, took me to Arlington to
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where they had the Fourth of July parades and all this flags and stuff. And I had no clue who I was
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meeting. I had no idea of what I was doing. I had seen a dog miraculously get healed and I didn't
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know what happened and how that happened. But these people thought at least we had tried something
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you up, oh God, that's that healed the dog just to help this child. So I was terrified, I didn't know
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what to say and what to do. I was praying silently while I'm sitting here in front of this little boy.
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He's got a feed and two, Natalamus. He's not going to live another year.
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And I'm with his mom and dad and him. And I prayed all night, Lord, help me. What have I do? So I stayed
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at one o'clock that morning. And this child had mitochondrial DNA disease, meaning he could never eat
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if he ate food, he threw it up profusely. He couldn't make nutrients from the food. So he was dying.
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And once he get the feed and two, it's over. Usually they're dead right away.
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And I stayed one o'clock in the morning and this
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was a terrible voice. It was like this message came. This telepathic knowing. And I said, it said,
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just hug him. So when I went to leave, I reached out and hugged at one o'clock. His mom asked me to
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stay tonight. And I said, no, I've got a hotel down and the guy that brought me there, he's reading
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the book, sitting in the back room, right? He stayed with me. And one o'clock in the morning,
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his mom, Cosmin, says he's eaten, he's eaten a second plate.
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And so this was the next morning, that night at one o'clock, I left at one thirty, his mom called me
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and said, he's eaten two plates for 30 minutes later. And what's this kid's name?
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Well, to be respectful of the family, I'd rotate that off camera, right? But
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his person named Brandon. Where are you still in touch with him? Yeah, he was at my house. I just spent
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last Memorial Day, Jim from the CIA, Deputy Director of all of me, Brandon's now twenty one or two
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years old. And he's going off to exchange school overseas and he'd never been away from home,
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right? And they wanted me to be with him before he left. And they told me, we know he's
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your good for him to be around him. But let me tell you another one. Now he's thirteen. When he
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turns thirteen, he's having a bar of misphah. For some, I've ever been to an adjuer celebration,
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right? And it was the most amazing thing. This child has given a speech up on in this big church
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in New York City on 48th Madison. We're in a basement and everybody does anybody from the Deputy
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Director to the Director of Operations, the CIA, and all in between were there. A whole lot
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of important 200 people at least. My son Ryan and they're out dancing on the floor and he's,
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you know, and I'm thinking back, all these people at home, just give me such a hard time. If I could
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only tell them what I'm experiencing right now with my family. This is just a moment for me.
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Suddenly, panic happened. The music quit. And the crowd come off the dance floor. And I'm still
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sitting at my table with one other person. Everybody's going out dancing. Now my wife is sitting at the
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table behind me. She had gotten up and she's with Debbie, Jim's wife. You know, very powerful people.
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The crowd got around me so much to stand in over me and I feel a person grabbed me on the
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shoulders and pulled me through the crowd and said, you got to help them. You got to help them.
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Well, at their table, this elderly man had passed out bored and was totally pale white.
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He was ghost white. All these people were trying to revive him, trying to wake him up. Couldn't
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do anything. He drugged me through the crowd. To him said, you got to save him.
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I put a hand on each shoulder when I did. He went, and he stood up, I said, I
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and I'll over him, saw it. And so you can imagine what that did. And that was way back in 2014.
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And it has only gotten more involved with government from there, from senior service members.
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Who was the man that you were involved?
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I knew who he was. He was the father-in-law of one of the people that the guy that actually
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took me to DC the first time to help that little boy. We were all invited to the party,
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right to his bar mitzvah. And it was his father-in-law that whatever happened to him, he was totally
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unconscious there. And so that set me on a path that I had no clue. I'd be going down. People,
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you know, suddenly I've got hundreds saying, I'm sick, can you help me?
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And that's been the hardest thing for me to try to help people. And it was I never intended it
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to be that way. And I don't know that I can do anything. In fact, I don't do anything.
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It's something greater than I. And I think when I think of the divine world, it just comes.
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But, you know, there's a whole lot in my book about different ones that have experienced this,
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from cancers gone to just a long list of people that have had blessings from this.
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Could you introduce me to one that would be willing to be on the show?
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I will try. How many people have you saved?
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Well, I don't know that I've saved anybody. I don't like to think like that. But how many people
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have you been a part of this? Dozens of people. Every day. Every day, I can show you.
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Now, I just pray for them. Or, you know, if you know somebody that's sick, they might send me a
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photo now. And I just take the photo out and I hold it up to the heavens and I ask the angels,
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God, I never prayed a angel, I prayed a God. And I ask for this help, for this person. And I get
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these letters back. I'm a doctor, don't know. And it's for dogs. I had two last months.
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Dogs that one was 16 years old and total kidney failure. And the doctors are like, we don't know
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what happened. They're putting in their journals for me to figure out what happened. He sees back
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completely functional kidneys and normal. Are there people out there talking about this?
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The, the, the, yeah. I've been private, I've shown. I haven't shared this. In fact, I hate sharing this
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publicly because it's going to cause a whole lot more people to come. But it's still part of the story
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that tells the phenomenon with me, the experience with it. This is why I know it's from the divine
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world. It's not something with teeth and a ray gun coming here to get us. It's connected to our
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thoughts. It'll appear a lot when I ask it. And in front of me and you and others, not every time,
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but pretty much, pretty much on the time, sometimes 57 the orbs will appear. Sometimes it's a
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little fire that'll appear right beside me like a candle. I've seen it. I look over and oh my
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God, it's right there. And then it'll shoot off over my head. And a lot of people have seen this.
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Rock stars. On very big rock stars. So without saying their names, I've been to my house
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and I've witnessed this up close and personal.
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Senior service members of the DIA.
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SCS-19's in my house with their families and have experienced it. You know, a lot. It's a lot of people
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that have witnessed it and say, no, still to this day. How did the government get more involved?
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Well, they wound to study it, right? They wanted to see this for themselves.
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Because it's the most elusive thing in the world to walk out and look up heavens and ask something
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to come and all of a sudden hear these lights pop on and they come flying by.
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So there's a lot of them wanting to see that and study it and you allow them to do that.
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Yeah. I allow anybody that is, I can't allow just anybody because I'd be overrun with people.
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But the at my personal house, I've had the heads of the people from NASA, people from the DIA,
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the DOD, the CIA, and I had three from Washington there last week. Three guys, diplomats
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that have experienced it with me. I was in Washington for 15 days last month and I filmed orbs
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in a data and at night and with a lot of important people, really important, you know, and government
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and stuff. NSA. Can you name any of these people by name?
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I don't have permission, but Jim Simmy van everybody would research him. He's in my book.
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John Alexander, John was with me, 2015. In fact, the first chapter of my book, How I Met John,
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was about the Pope. I'm out by the burning tree and this lady from Wake Forest University,
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a scientist doing this investigation of this tree. She has a spirit box, she called it. I'd never
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heard such a thing. It makes this noise and so supposedly spirits come through and talk.
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Well, she has it to me. I'm leaning against the tree and my wife and my niece and her and her
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assistant were there looking at me for about 10 feet away. And certainly this voice comes to that
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box and says, Chris, the pups in danger, you must help. And it kept saying that and it kept saying
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that. We recorded all this. We recorded 350 audio clips, 350 and multiple voices come in this thing
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and it was saying my name, call me by name. And so I sit that message to the very guy that was
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involved with the child in the beginning. It was my contact. And he's like, oh my, you need to
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be here tomorrow next day. And so in a couple days, I was at his house and when I walked into the
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door, there was John Alexander. That's when I met him. And immediately we took a tour of
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of Philadelphia, the Congress Hall. John got me into remote viewing. I started reliving this thing.
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And I began to give details about this couple of terrorists that wanted to explode a bomb
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on Congress Hall when the Pope was there. And they got secret service involved and they intercepted
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emails and calls and found this kid and arrested him. Sure did. And they shut the whole
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bin, Franklin bridge, downward people would come across. But that was that's just another notch.
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And that was the first chapter of my book about the Pope. And I've been investigated by them
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by the Vatican. You've been investigated by the Vatican? Yeah. How did that go?
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Well, I was very sick at that time, 2017 with Crohn's, I'm not Crohn's, but rheumatoid. It came
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to come on me. And I was on all this chemotherapy and these biologics. And so my professor friend
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works with the Vatican. Got permission to go into Vatican archives. Well, my friend from NASA
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that I was working with from the NRA wanted to be a part. So he was allowed to go with her.
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There were three of them went to the archives. And when they
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out with there, they were texted me and sent him any pictures of angels coming out of the
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boarbs that are painted on the wall in the Vatican and a message from the Pope that he said,
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we know that they're angels and that they don't mean in a harm. But if you get too close to them,
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don't let them get too close because their energy can cause, cause damage to your body. And in fact,
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we know that St. Francis of Assisi had an orb get too close to him and zap them and he died two
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years later from his wounds. And he said, we know for sure. And today's lens is it was rumoured
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toward arthritis. The same thing you got. And so there's a lot of, I've got all the photos and stuff
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of that. You can see they they had a ceremony in my honor. They put my picture in the Pope's picture
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at the entrance of the Vatican archives. They placed my picture between the books of Galileo and
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Copernicus in the archives to be there forever. So there's a whole lot that's going on from
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every angle throughout those very things.
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And this is fast sounding stuff. Yeah. So now you know, why do you think
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you are the one? I've been asked that a million times. And I don't like to think I'm the one
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or any of that. I'm just a simple guy that had a miraculous experience that continues to this day.
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And with all the government, with all the government contact and studying and the Vatican
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had anybody ever given you insight as to whether or not there are more human beings that have had
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similar experiences to you. Yeah. And they all relate them back to biblical times. As far as
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anybody now, I've heard that there probably are. But they always used, you know, St. Francis or
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these different people throughout the Bible that had these experiences with the Orbs. And
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you know, the reason NASA wanted to go to be a part of that, getting into archives, they wanted
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to study, levitate and science. Coming as a person can take off and fly to the village next door,
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you know, it really happens. People levitate. So there's more to this world than we got blinder
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saw. We're blinded. And uh, yeah, but we're wakening now. Yeah. I personally believe that
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we are the ones that put the limitations on ourselves. Exactly. Everything
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may be possible. But a lot of those writings that got into this more detailed early on were deemed
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dangerous knowledge. So that was removed from us, understanding all of this stuff. It's kind of
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like that was priestly stuff. Where do you think you were for the hours that you'd disappear
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during the incident in 2007? Well, I can tell you I had no clue until 2008 when
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Mufon came and did the discovery show. They actually sent a guy from the Harvard
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train psychiatrist that does hypnosis. And he hypnotized me first to say we're removing this block.
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And then we're going to come back next week and find out what happens. So he did the first one
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and immediately I could think about it and not pass out or have a excruciating headache. So what
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he did work. And then my wife and kids started for the next, uh, it was about two weeks before they
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came. They were, they were startled because when I'd go to bed, which always went pretty early,
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they'd be up to late. I'd be yelling out my sleep and screaming and talking and they were in
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their film and they were cell phones and I passed while I'm doing this saying stuff. Weird stuff,
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you know, like seeing beans and omars and all kinds of weird stuff. So eventually I began to
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remember some of what happened, not all, but what I can tell you, the four hours
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while I was gone was a virtual tour. I was inside a bubble. It's not thing that was solid.
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I have to stand on, but I couldn't see the walls, but I could touch them. But I could see everything
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in every direction. And there were always three figures behind me that were shadowy and they
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were narrating what I was seeing. And I saw North America from way up high. I saw the whole
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United States and then I was taken to Egypt and I saw the pyramids and this hathor's temple. I saw
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that dispense facing to the east and then the lady comes back.
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Following year after all this, this was in 2013 is when I really got that message from her.
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Because that's when I was asked by the Pentagon by two Air Force generals to put it in writing
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what she told me. And I did. And this was on her quest from NASA, a friend at NASA.
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So he come and got it and hand delivered it to these generals. And she told me that she said that
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when the star of regulus, she called it a red star. When you look at it, it looks blue. She said
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when regulus is red on the horizon in front of the gaze of the SPINC before daylight. So in other
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words, when it's sitting right on top of the horizon before the sun comes up, that that moment
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would mark a change in humanity's knowledge. And she showed me other things. War, us bomb in our
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ran, us bomb in Syria. And then them days and none of that had happened. So I put all that on
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on this piece of paper. And now I've had so many write me back, oh my God, you see they just
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bombed our ran or our ran just bombed us. You know, you were right the whole time. And I did that
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2012. And so what they did was I gave them the date of 2026 because they took that that
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celestial event and ran it through these machines that showed that exact alignment will happen
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in 2026. It eased her. What will happen? This star will look the alignment she told me about
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that the star of regulus would be on the horizon in front of the SPINC at that moment.
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There'd be a new knowledge. Well, I had no idea if this was even possible, you know,
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that these astronomers run up to the machines and it comes out that that star is going to come up on
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the horizon in Easter of 2026. And for that point forward, they started removing the state
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government there. And now you heard all over TV. 2026, that's the big day. 2027, that year,
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something's going to happen. Armageddon, you heard all over, you know, you hear,
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you hear it on TV. If you, if you study, like, I've heard even, well, I won't say names, but
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please do. Well, you know, Louis Elizondo, right? Louis mentioned that day. A lot of people have
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Easter of 2026. So the year of 2026, I gave him a specific time. And it was with Robert Grant
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that I told him about this alignment now. And he's like, oh my God, he's been looking for this
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Ruby. This little Ruby you have to find and place it between the poles of SPINC to make this
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event that he knows is going to happen in 2026. I said, Robert is not a Ruby. He's the star of
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Regal. He looks like, oh my God, that's the king's star. So what's going to happen now? No,
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but I think it's possible that's the return of Christ. Yeah. Or the lady in the whole heavenly
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post living with us, Jesus. As first time I've ever said that in my life publicly,
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you're the first. And a million people has asked me this. I think it's entirely possible
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that because she told me, she told me that she told me that when the suffering of man comes,
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it becomes too great that they're going to stop it and they go snuff out the darkness.
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That's why the military and government all want to know about this because they know it's real.
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They know this lady has been seeing a million times. And when she comes, she's always warning of
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some big catastrophe. In the Native American world, they call her the white buffalo calf lady.
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And she would come warning about some tribe coming to kill everybody or some big event
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in every culture that way. But I wish I knew more. What else do you know?
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I just, I think we're living in the worst possible times right now that if we don't make some changes,
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there's going to be some major disasters about to happen. And this man made is not
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solar flare. It's not any of that. It's a dark force because she told me,
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well, I tell you what, she told me, this is what I put in writing for. She said,
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there are people in power. I put this in writing in 2012. She said, there are people in power.
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And I'm not going to say where she focused my thoughts on that, but they're scripting the book of
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revelations to bring about Armageddon in the end of the world. They're doing it intentionally.
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And I switch to what she told me. And that's the very thing. The main need of the whole message I sent
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to these generals. So it makes sense, right? Who's they? I don't know who they are. I think they're
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Satan. I think of people that worship the dark force that don't care for humanity and human life.
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And in fact, there's a total opposite of worship the devil. I don't know if there is a devil. I think it's
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a very dark force that is living full of dark entities that feed on you parasitically.
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It would be non-physical. They shape-shift. They take your mind over. They make you do crazy things.
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They deceive you. They kill somebody. They go crazy. Where the angelic world or the physical beings,
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they can come in here and light these beings or made of light. The dark force is a parasitic race.
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And whoever's aligned with that is according to the mother, the lady, is scripted in the book of
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Revelation. Did it want it to happen? Why did they want it to happen? I think it's the dark force.
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I think that they want to stuff out God. They don't want us to have God in a horror. Why do you think
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they did evolution? That's the biggest dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. That every living
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thing comes from a mud puddle. And it can't happen. It's just not possible. It's just a laugh. It's a joke.
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You know what I find interesting is from the very beginning, when you saw the being
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that your family, and initially you, if I remember correctly, thought was just the medication,
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you had some type of an intuition from the very get-go that this was a guardian angel of some type.
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And it's natural. It has progressed. I knew I had one when I was 10. I just knew it. I knew
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something saved me because the doctors like, as you shouldn't have lived through this, if I
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showed you the hole in my back and it led in front of me right here, you built by how did this happen?
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Is that close to my spinal column? I'm leaning over a bit. Is that close to the back of my head?
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And then directly in line with my heart. And I knew, I knew the doctor told me to look at
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this guy in the world. And all I could think then was it wasn't luck. It was something
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protected me. In fact, in my regression, 2008, if you heard the regression, I said, they said,
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we were with you when you were 10 years old and we'll be with you right all.
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You know what else I find interesting?
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You are the only one to my knowledge that I've spoken to on this subject,
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on the UFO subject that believes in Jesus Christ. I do wholeheartedly. More to date than I ever did.
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They'd openly talk about it. More to date than I ever. And that's been a problem of censorship
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and kind of put me on the back burner and keeping me at bay publicly. Yeah. It really has.
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I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised when I had never told this message about what
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you just we just thought about until now because now I think it's the time to tell it.
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12 years, 13 years I've kept it secret.
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What do you think that day is going to look like if you thought you had to
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it says in my corner, glorious and beautiful day. He's coming back to save us all.
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Do you look forward to that day? Absolutely. Do you have any fear about that day?
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I fear my children and these crazy people that just can't get a hold of their whatever they're doing.
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I'm 63 almost 63 years old. I've been to 11 or 12 presidents and people my age
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and your age, but especially my age, everything's happening now is completely
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not normal. And we all see writing on the wall. We all see the players, some of these players.
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There's a lot behind us saying that we especially, you know, they're hidden, but we all see
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something right and there's got to be a cleansing. And the only thing that can change people is God.
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And the phenomena can change you inside, but you're doing going to be not change of humanity
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without having some spiritual thing come in and changes from the inside out.
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And that's what's coming. And it's nothing nobody can do about it. That can squill and squirm and try
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to make it look negative and ugly all they want, but it's not going to stop what's coming, according to her.
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And in the book of Revelation, in the very last chapter, it says,
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when the army surround Israel on all four sides, that he's coming back to fight, to battle,
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and rid the world of evil, and then there'll be a time of peace, a thousand years.
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And that's what the lady told me. Same thing.
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I said a lot. Thank you for sharing that.
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A whole lot. 18 years I've never told this or the 17 and a half years. How does it feel to get it out?
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Right. Right. I'll get a lot of blowback from this. I promise. I just hope the
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world that has been told is to devil can wake up and see that a little bit of heavens come in here to help us.
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Would you be willing to come back on the show? I would love to, yes, sir.
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I'd be honored. I could go deeper, but I think this is a good
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part to end this interview. But with that being said, I would love to get you back,
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because I have a lot more questions, but I know it's been a rough day. Just say the word,
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not be here. Thank you, Chris. I've promised.
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You know, there's been a lot of speculation on
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If UFOs are strictly a some type of spiritual entity or if they are nuts and bolts,
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if it's both, there's possibility. There's both, but I haven't seen the other side. A whole
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all these years experience has been with the phenomenon. I call it,
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is a spiritual thing. It's like magic. They appear out of nowhere. In fact, Tim Berchett made a quote
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and I say that they believe that the interdimensional world will be the angels.
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So if there might be some star cruiser coming from some planet, some far away, and stopping over
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to resupply and get some gas or something, right. But I can tell you, there's not a reason
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in this world an alien would come down to the river where I'm crying out, God, help me.
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Well, I would even care. Well, I would do what to help me. Well, I would help all these other
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people, even animals, because they have compassion for us. And love.
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I know I already asked this, but I do want to ask it again. And I just want to hear what you
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personally think. I mean, 2007 to 2004, we're talking almost what, what's 17 years now?
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Why? Why you? What is it that you believe that God saw in you in that moment of time?
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Lots of people look up. I think that the phenomenon or God's or whoever
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knew that I'm the kind of person that would never back down, never, ever look at Paul in the Bible,
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look at all the apostles, everyone of them. They knew what they knew and they went to death for it.
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They were bold and oil and tortured and crucified and hung upside down and dismembered,
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because they knew without a doubt. Paul on the road to Damascus says, in a flash of light,
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flashed around him and blinded him. It was an orb.
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The ball of light. And that's exactly what comes out of the sky and interacts or comes into my house
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or around us. It's the light and it answers to prayer. How do you pray? I pray to the Father,
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the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity. How do you ask? Do you just talk to it?
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Is it ceremonial? No, it's a thought. I don't have to say a word. I can think it and they come.
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They're connected to our thoughts. 100% yours do. They know your thoughts. They know all of us.
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In fact, I believe everybody has guardian angels. It's probably at least two.
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And I've been quoted saying there's 15 around me at all times.
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My kids are like, how do you know that, Dad? Because I constantly say there's about 15 of them
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that will appear and sometimes they do it all at once. So I think you have them. Oh, you've got
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to do it. It knowledge it. I know I have them. You do. I've talked about it several times on
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this show. It's given very, very detailed examples. And the next time I'll share those with you,
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I want to hear that. I really do. Well, Chris,
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well, man, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for what you're doing and thank you for being here.
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And God bless you, brother. I appreciate your show. So much. Appreciate you too. We'll see you soon.
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God bless. Thank you.
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